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Injury to Milliner might be lucky for Dolphins

Sometimes it's just good to be, well, lucky.

In 2011, for instance, the Indianapolis Colts were awful and their Patron Saint Manning was seemingly done as an NFL quarterback. So they stunk. A lot. And they earned the dubious distinction of the draft's first overall selectiion.

Luckily, that stinkage happened to precede a draft in which Andrew Luck was available as the first overall pick. Stinky Colts pick Luck. Stinky Colts stop stinking and go to the playoffs in 2012.

Luck. In more ways than one.

The Dolphins have not often been so, shall we say, lucky. They had the No. 1 overall pick in 2008. No Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III in that draft. They had the second overall selection in 2005. Terrible draft. They took Ronnie Brown, who was serviceable but never a star.

Not lucky.

But on Thursday the Dolphins might have gotten a small, tiny slice of lucky.

The team that needs help at cornerback learned, as did the other 31 teams, that Dee Milliner, considered the best CB prospect in the coming draft has a torn labrum that will require surgery after the combine. The Alabama product will still work at the combine but will not participate in the Alabama Pro Day.

One of his reps told ESPN that Milliner should be ready to go for the start of training camp in July, which by the way, suggests he'll miss all the summer camps rookies typically participate in.

So why is that lucky?

Well, Milliner was expected to go in the top five picks of the draft based on his ability and team needs. But what if this injury/surgery red flag causes him to fall a bit to ... say .... to No. 12 and the Miami Dolphins?

No, there's no guarantee. Milliner runs well at the combine, team doctors suggest he can easily recover, his stock remains high. Indeed, the fact he played well with the injury last year might signal an added reason to like the kid.

Then the Dolphins will be looking at guys like Xavier Rhodes of FSU or John Banks of Mississippi State. But what if the stock slips and now Milliner is there at No. 12?

That would be lucky.

And aren't the Dolphins due for some of that?

[BLOG NOTE: GM Jeff Ireland will speak at the combine around 11:30ish today (and say nothing). But as it is the job of this blog to keep you atop the developments, circle back here to check the update on what he says.]

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would be huge to get this guy, wanted him all along. lets hope he drops.

That would be a gift from god a miracle

Milliner is a revis clone , that would be huge for us

Not sure Milliner is a Revis clone. Should be a good player though.

And Mando, do you really think it was co-incidental that Indy stunk the year they got Luck? They threw it plain and simple. They did what we should've done. Instead we had MVP Matt Moore beat all the other stinko teams in the league and we end up with a maybe instead of RG3 or Luck....

I am of the strong opinion that they should get offensive skill players in free-agency like WRs and TEs and as their first choice in the draft take a pass rushing specialist which will trump any defensive backfield moves in the draft, and players LOST in free agency.I also think that does not necessarily force them to take a DE it could be a linebacker or defensive tackle that can pressure the opposing QBs, and open it up for Wake and his getting double teamed and also maybe help 2nd year player Vernon to shine as a pass rusher.The intent is to build a strength at pass rushing so as to off-set a weakness defensive backfield that I dont think can be resolved with one player,one draft or even one season 2013.

From top five to 12 is still a stretch. We need to move up in the 1st.

I'd take the later of the 2nd rounders we have and shopping it to get into the top 5. Frankly I want Warmack but Milliner is right there in my mind too.

This would fix our secondary right off the bat

The colts had real receivers for luck to throw to , we had nothing

Mando, I wouldn't call 2005 a terrible Draft. I would just say Miami's GM's find a way never to draft the right guy. Here are some 1st-round standouts from that draft: DeMarcus Ware, Shawne Merriman, AARON RODGERS, Roddy White.

Oh, look, there was a 1st-round QB, that a team that had a turnstile of QBs since Marino passed up. What a coinkidink! And don't give me the hindsight is 20/20 routine. These were all 1st-round picks that graded well and were hyped. But Miami wanted to be a bruising running team (like they have wanted to be since Marino left). They saw no importance in drafting QBs. And that's why we suck.

Thank God for Jeff Ireland, who FINALLY stopped the bleeding, and learned that if you don't have a QB, you don't have NOTHING!

From the last entry. Not sure about the FO's statement about their intention with Wallace, could be a bluff or not. Their Long statement I think its the real deal.

DC, there was a pretty good Qb that was drafted in 2008 too. But we have no luck ... whatever...

Draft 2 CB's And 2 WR's!!

All Dashi Is Saying!

We Can Also Say The Fins Are Lucky Te'o Can Drop To #12!! With The Whole Him Being Gay! And all!

I Don't know about Milner!!

People Claim N.Saban is A DB Guru!! But From What I've Seen! N.Saban Is A Horrible Developer Of DB Talent!! Name 1 Good DB!Nick Saban Has Coached!!

Tannehill would have had 4500 yards if he had the colts recievers

Unless this guy is the second coming of Deion Sanders, why on Earth should we draft damaged goods? Look for somebody else.

"They took Ronnie Brown, who was serviceable but never a star."

Mando,

Good player but the main problem was that he couldn't stay healthy. Certainly not worth the Number 2 pick considering he was NEVER an elite back like Ricky once was.

If it wasnt for bad luck Miami wouldnt have had any luck at all here these past few seasons.Still its highly unlikely that this type of injury would cause Milliner to fall out of the top 10.

Dashi you are right on man 2 wr 2 cb and maybe a te as well

Oscar we need a true shutdown cb and they don't grow on palm trees

Teams play throw and catch on us all day long and it's sickening

In any case the FO is playing this thing very well. Nobody knows anything now, and like Armando says, after Ireland finishes speaking Today, we will know even less.

"Then the Dolphins will be looking at guys like Xavier Rhodes of FSU or John Banks of Mississippi State. But what if the stock slips and now Milliner is there at No. 12?"

Maybe yes, maybe no. Hard to say. Some people think that Milliner may just be product of the system that Saban has installed at Alabama. Same thinking is out there about the RB's. I have no idea but I do know that the players from Alabama @ RB & DB have not exploded on the scene the way a guy like Julio Jones has.

Yep, the Fins got lucky, now maybe they will take a pass on drafting Milliner for sure. At least I hope so. There are 4 names and I just want to hear 1 of them when Miami drafts and that is, in order;

Patterson WR
Mingo OLB
Jordan OLB
Ansah DE


Jake long is a shmuck he has no loyalty at all the man was damaged goods the last 3 years and we paid him now he laughs at 8 mil. A year see ya jake

On The Revision Clone!

No Thanks!!

The Guy Is A Diva! And Isn't That Great!!

Would Rather Have R.Sherman! Younger, Better, And He Is A lot Cheaper!!

Revis Is All New York Hype!! NYC Will Make You Think S.Smith Is A Top 5 CB! If He Played There!!

Look How They Make/Made M.Sanchez Look!! WE ALL KNOW SANCHEZ IS WORST THAN HENNE!! BUT they Claimed He Was The Second Coming Of Broadway Joe!! 2 AFC Title Games! Like The Defense and LT Didn't Have Anything To Do With That!!

Don't Believe The NY Hype!!

Remember Everything From NY Is Always The Best!!

Like A Certain Race In Sfla Who Think They Are Superior To Everyone Else!!

All Hype!!

(No Not Talking About The Jews!)

"Teams play throw and catch on us all day long and it's sickening"

With all the talk about WR people have lost focus on how badly we need a CB in FA. The best guy out there IMO is Cary Williams. The more I've seen him play the more I've been impressed & the Ravens can't afford him.

We should just cut Nolan Carroll & RJ Stanford now.

The most important position on the field is QB.The next most important is someone who can get to the QB and make him get rid of the ball before he wants to.A great pass rush can make mediocre players in the defensive backfield look good and good plaers look great.

Jake long is a shmuck he has no loyalty at all the man was damaged goods the last 3 years and we paid him now he laughs at 8 mil. A year see ya jake

Marc,

I just hope Ireland doesn't cave & give in to Long's agent at the last minute. If he does he's a scared little b#tch.

I would not trade up , if anything I trade back to many players grade out to the back half of the first round and we get another 2nd and maybe a 5th

Dashi,

Sorry man but you've gone off the rails again. Revis is BY FAR the best CB football & arguably the best defensive player in the NFL. He's the only true shutdown CB in football. I've never seen a CB mirror a receiver the way he does. He'll be back this year so you should try watching him play sometime.

I think the train left the station on Jake Long , we showed last year we don't need him anymore

Revis island is a real place man and its lonely !!!!!!!!!

Luck on Dolphins last year = playoffs for Dolphins
Tannehill on Colts last year = 4-12 record for Colts

good article, but the Colts weren't lucky. they tanked last season on purpose to get Luck. something the Dolphins should have done.

All this Seahawks talk is hype, we beat them remember !!!!

@8:53

Sorry To Disagree With You.

The Most Important Position Is Qb!!

THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT POSITION!

IS THE QB OF THE DEFENSE!! THE MLB!!!

THE MLB LINES EVERYBODY UP!! CALLS AUDIBLES!! AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE QB, RB, and TE's!! Plus, The Middle Of The Field!! and The 10 Yds Between The Chain!! Sideline to Sideline!!

All A DE Does Is Rush The Passer!! He Doesn't Even Make Line Adjustments!! That Is On The DT!! And The MLB!!

Again, The MLB Is The Qb Of The Defense!! The DE Is The LT!! And CB's Are The Wr's!!

Dashi Can Not Break It Down Simpler Than That!!

Again, NOBODY will be happy about the results of FA and the Draft for Us. (We know it, we is superior, we know it.)

I think the train left the station on Jake Long , we showed last year we don't need him anymore

Marc,

I know that. My concern is whether Ireland does. I don't think Long is worth half of what we offered him. Seriously. Tannehill took too many big hits last year & I expect more of the same if we re-sign him. Love Eric Fisher but he'll be long gone. This kid Lane is in play.

So now I say sign Jennings and draft speed

So dashi do we draft teo or Alec ogletree in the late. First or second

Oscar you are right no one will be happy with any move we do this offseason ,,it will be ugly

I think we draft a running back in the 3rd round for sure

Again, NOBODY will be happy about the results of FA and the Draft for Us. (We know it, we is superior, we know it.)

Oscar,

I disagree. If we let Long & Smith go, keep Hartline & Clemons, & then sign either Jennings or Wllace & a CB I'd be pretty f#cking happy.

I'm actually starting to wonder if Ireland is reluctant to re-sign Hartline for $6 Million a year b/c MAYBE he feels he can get Jennings & Wallace. If that's his thinking he better be willing to overpay b/c all these guys are going to get more than they should. It happens EVERY year in FA.

I'm a big Cary Williams fan myself after last year. Webb got all the hype back there but Williams is a man.

Not sold on Milliner. I don't think he's a must anyway. if you think he's the BPA then take him but I must admit to being seduced by Patterson's skill set or jarvis Jones or Dion Jordan's athleticism.

Oscar,

Nobody Is Superior To Anyone!

Plus, Don't Throw Stones If You Live In A Glass House!

Ogletree is a freak. I love superior athletes for their position and Ogletree is one. Former safety ...

Travis Kelce is a former QB
Dion Jordan former TE

These types show that they offer a unique skill set for their positions.

"So dashi do we draft teo or Alec ogletree in the late. First or second"

No Manti please. That story is WAY to bizarre & he sucked against Alabama. Ogletree on the other hand is an outstanding player BUT the red flags are really RED here. His draft stock is in free fall mode.

Yes, Revision Is Great!

But He Is Not That Great!! And He Was The Best CB 2 Years Ago!! NOT NOW!!

Oh, And How Quick We Forget!!

T.Ginn Burning Revision!!

Revision Was Good 2 Years Ago!! And Statistically He Is Not Hall Of Fame Material!!

Revis Averages 3 Ints a Season!! Yeah, Great Mirror!!

Dashi I respect your opinion but it doesnt change mine.You can have the perfect play called on defense and the great QBs in this league are still going to to eat you alive.If they have somebody on them before the play has a chance to develope its an entirely different story.You cant complete a pass if you are flat on your back no matter how good you are.

WNP - We may see 4 OL picked in the top 10 this year and 1 of those could very well be Lane Johnson. People are saying he could run a 4.8, 40 yard dash and he checked in at 6'6" and 303 lbs. He's only played OT for 2 years. He will definitely move up draft boards this weekend.

"I'm a big Cary Williams fan myself after last year. Webb got all the hype back there but Williams is a man.

Not sold on Milliner. I don't think he's a must anyway. if you think he's the BPA then take him but I must admit to being seduced by Patterson's skill set or jarvis Jones or Dion Jordan's athleticism."

Mark,

Either Jennings or Wallace & Cary Williams is what we need. Our two weakest positions MUST be addressed by Ireland in FA or he's completely worthless. I hate to be so harsh but he's come out & said we need playmakers well...Here's your chance to step up big boy.

IMO--This draft has too many question marks at WR & CB (Milliner is still going to go top 10) to feel confident with either position @ 12.

I know you like Patterson BUT at 12??? It's just too high for a player that has barely done anything on the field.

Billcale...from you're last blog...let's see if you're post stands up to scutiny of a little past history....

YOU: (paraphrasing) "the FINS will not go after Wallace...because they leaked to the press thatb they want Wallace....thus loweing the market on the true target Jennings.....

You have made it clear that you have a clear bias for Jennings...and thats OK....we all have our preference...mine being Wallace....but for the sake of objectivity....let's see what the FINS have done in the past with High Profile FA and coaches....

Parcell's said he wanted Dansby...The PRESS new we wanted Dansby....we got Dansby....

As soon as Marshall trade rumors began to SWIRL out of Denver....Miami was the #1 target...we still got Marshall....

As Soon as Fisher was fired...rumors swirled that the FINS would go after him hard....WE DID....

No smoke screen with the Manning situation....as a matter of fact...we were suppose to be the landing spot....until other teams got involved...but ROSS targeted him...and it was PUBLIC...

FLynn might be the starter here if he wasn't greedy....again...no secrect...

So Billcale...I don't think you're "clue" theory holds alot of water....

The FINS LIKE to make a splash...and the more that know about it the better....

When it comes to this years WR pool I see Keenan Allen as a better pro prospect than Cordarrelle Patterson.Something about body catchers bothers me and he does it almost exclusively.Great after the catch though,Ill give him that.

We must wait,this truly sucks

"I know you like Patterson BUT at 12??? It's just too high for a player that has barely done anything on the field." Posted by WNP

People said the same thing about Clay Mathews and JPP.

WNP, vet WR is a must. However this money is going to get chewed up quickly. Then they must decide on signing two of a CB, WR (Hartline), or OT (Long or another good vet). My choice would be to sign Williams or Cason (Antoine, SD) and an OT (there are a lot of them in free agency). I like what Hartline did but with Mike Wallace or Greg Jennings or even Dwayne Bowe and Bess and a rookie - the loss is mitigated.

But in truth, there's a million ways to go here.

There is no mystery why the Jews that fled Hitler's persecution and the Cubans that fled Fidel Castro's one are superior to you People, Dashi. We were political Immigrants and NOT the economic immigrants that make up the bulk of this Nation. We had all the $$$ we wanted and lived extremely well in our respective Nations. We also, of course, had a high degree of Education. There are few Jews left from that Time but plenty of Us Cubans. From both our Groups(and NOT our Children), come the marvels you will see happening in this Greater Miami Area.

"WNP - We may see 4 OL picked in the top 10 this year and 1 of those could very well be Lane Johnson. People are saying he could run a 4.8, 40 yard dash and he checked in at 6'6" and 303 lbs. He's only played OT for 2 years. He will definitely move up draft boards this weekend."

Texas,

Well I can safely say that Joeckel & Fisher will be top 10 picks. Then there's Warmack & Johnson. I know most Dolphin fans hate this put I'd take ANY of those guys & if not I'm taking a DT like Shariff Floyd. Yeah, yeah so we can move Odrick inside & all but I've got to believe the coaches are still on the fence about the future of Odrick. If you keep finding good DT's like we have for years now then pressure is on Odrick to REALLY step up this year. This is how you avoid overspending for guys like Langford & Starks.

The ONE position where the Dolphins have had success is with the NT & DT's going all the way back to Tim Bowens. Then we kept finding guys like Traylor, Ferguson, Soliai, Starks, & even McDaniel.

Texas, that's the example I used yesterday. Yes, JPP, Matthews and Patterson only played one year but it's not like they showed they couldn't play. They did crazy things. In addition, I think the only position you really need two or three years reps at is QB. The rest, if you are just better physically than the guy across from you get sorted out pretty quickly.

Patterson coming in as our 3rd or 4th WR to start and matching up against the other teams nickel and dime CBs is a nice matchup advantage.

67,

Yes, But How Many Times Were The Fins Lined Up On The Wrong Play!!

You Can Have The Best Rusher!! Or Best Duo In The World!! If Somebody Is Not Lined Up Right!! Or The Coverage Doesn't Get Adjusted!! The DE Won't Have Time To Adjust!! (Look at The Pats Game!)

You Can Probably Name 2 DE's Better Than Wake!! A.Smith and Watts!

Dashi Can Name At Least 15 MLB"s!! Better Than Dansby!! More Than 5 That Were Either Rookies Or 2nd Year Players!!

And Remember Each Team Starts 2 DE's! Not Every Team Runs A 3-4! Not That Many MLB's!!

Perfect Example! Who would you rather have?

Z.Thomas And JT!

Or

Dansby And Wake!

Wake Does His Job! If Dansby Were Only Half The MLB Zack Was!!

Zack Never Had A K.Burnett!!

Again, The Pats! You Can Just Tell The Difference!! When Zach And JT Played! Brady Couldn't Handle It!! Against Dansby! He Has A Field Day!!

NOTICE SINCE ZACK RETIRED! ZERO SHUTOUTS! AND THE FINS CAN'T COVER A TE!!
DE's Don't Cover TE's!! LB's Cover TE's!!

2 Big Problems The Fins Had Going Into Last Season! And For The Last Couple Seasons!!

THE FINS GET BEAT DEEP

AND

THE FINS CAN'T COVER TE'S!!

The Safety's Did A Better Job Covering The Deep Ball!!

The LB's Still Can't Cover A TE To Save A Drive!!

DE's Don't Cover TE's!!

Our LB's Suck!!

Mark, don't remind me bro.

Marc/WNP, let's not go overboard. Jake Long was an elite player for us, and deserves some loyalty for that. I'm not saying we owe him anything (he's been paid rather handsomely). And though I'm fine with moving on, it's still true we need a LT that's worth a damn (whether Martin can be that or not). So giving Long a chance to prove himself still capable isn't the worst decision in the world.

The sticking point is the asking price. The only win-win I see is if Long signs an incentive-laden contract. One that will pay him the $8-10mil he wants IF he plays like an elite LT and IF he stays healthy. That means backloading the guaranteed money so that he can't be good for one more year and then drop like a stone. That means if he's hurt again at the end of 2013 his salary drops to mid-range levels (6mil or so).

That's fair (to Miami and also to the player IMO). That allows the team to try and do things that will give Long something money can't, titles/championships/rings. If he's in it for the game, that should be something he wants. If he's in it for enrichment of himself, then he'll move on and get paid by another team.

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