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Kiper and McShay make draft picks for Dolphins; Salguero says be careful about both selections

We are closing in on that time of year, my acquaintances. Draft microscope time!!!

I call this time draft microscope time because the actual draft is still two months away and the games are in our rear-view mirror. So the actual work for the draft involves workouts and visits and the Combine and interviews -- things that are meant to put a player under the microscope without him, you know, actually playing football.

And to celebrate today, I bring you Mel Kiper's and Todd McShay's latest mock drafts.

Both of ESPN's draft "experts" published their mock drafts today and at the No. 12 selection where the Dolphins are picking both went in polar opposite directions.

Kiper had the Dolphins picking Tennessee wide receiver Cordarelle Patterson.

McShay had the Dolphins picking Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro.

Interesting that the Dolphins are apparently so deficient in the passing department (on offense and defense) that the "experts" have them needing both a wide receiver for the offense and safety for the defense in the first round.

That should tell you folks that think the Dolphins are close to competing for the AFC East crown how far this team truly is.

At any rate, let me give you some food for thought here.

Neither projection is wrong at this point. Obviously. But both projections will depend on what the Dolphins do in free agency.

If, for example, the Dolphins go into free agency and sign my newly adopted son Mike Wallace (I added him to the Salguero family that already includes RG3 and Tim Tebow), then it becomes very, very unlikely the team invests a first-round pick on a wide receiver. It doesn't make sense when there are needs at cornerback and defensive end and yes, even safety. That would make the Patterson pick unlikely.

One possibility here would be if the club signs a veteran receiver such as Wallace (yippie!) or Greg Jennings (meh) or Dwayne Bowe (boo!) but allows Brian Hartline to leave via free agency. Then the club's need at WR will remain such that it could require first-round impact.

And if, for example, the Dolphins re-sign pending free agent Chris Clemons, who started every game at one safety spot this year, it is less likely the team will then re-invest in the same position at the level of a first-round pick to take Vaccaro. Remember, I have reported that the team has been talking to safety Reshad Jones about a contract extension so that is an obvious signal one safety spot is locked down.

The Dolphins have too many needs to extend Jones, re-sign Clemons (an expense beyond what rookies make and too expensive to have him sit as a backup) and then use a first-round pick on Vaccaro with the expectation he would start with Jones.

That is the strategic look at the situation as it relates to other moves in free agency that neither Kiper nor McShay are considering.

Now, as to the value of each player, there are some serious questions.

First, both Kiper and McShay have their guys going to the Dolphins at No. 12. But on the ESPN "Big Board" that lists players by grade, Kiper has Patterson listed at No. 15 and Vaccaro at No. 17. Yeah, that's what the Dolphins should do: Draft guys at No. 12 that you have valued several slots lower. In my country, that's called a reach.

Second, let's take a look at the players themselves. Both are solid. Both will be playing in the NFL next year. But neither screams, "I'm going to be a star so watch out!"

Vaccaro is said to be a bigtime playmaker. The Dolphins secondary needs this badly because taking the football away or making plays that get the defense off the field is something the Dolphins need more of. But I look at Vaccaro's stats and he had two interceptions last season. He had no forced fumbles. And he had two passes defensed, not counting the bowl game. And he played on a defense that gave up 50 points to Baylor, 63 points to Oklahoma, and 48 points to West Virginia.

I have not watched the guy on tape, but his statistics don't exactly suggest he's the next Ed Reed.

Patterson?

He looks the part. He's 6-3 and 205 pounds. He's billed as fast. And he's got the overall stats. He caught 46 passes for 778 yards and a 16.9 average with five touchdowns last season. It was his only season at Tennessee.

But dig deeper into that last paragraph.

I would be concerned Patterson spent his first two years at a JUCO and then transferred to Tennesee. Why? What's the story on him not getting in to a major college coming out of high school? Why is he jumping to the draft after only one season?

Whatever the answers, the bottom line is Patterson has limited experience against top flight college talent. So that makes me a bit uneasy.

Then there is this: A closer look at Patterson's impressive stats reveals some issues.

Of his 46 catches, Patterson feasted against lesser opponents but was a much more average player against better opponents. He caught only 16 passes against ranked AP teams and his average was only 11.4 yards per catch against those teams -- five yards less than his overall average.

Flag.

Against the SEC's two best teams -- Georgia and Alabama -- Patterson basically disappeared. He caught two passes for 31 yards against the Bulldogs. He caught one pass for 25 yards against the Crimson Tide.

Flag.

Meanwhile, he padded his stats with nine catches for 219 yards against Troy. It was the only game all season he went over 100 receiving yards.

That doesn't mean the kid won't play big in big games. That doesn't mean he's not gifted. That doesn't mean he's not a first-round pick.

But it does mean he requires a lot, much, tons of study to make sure he's worthy of a No. 12 pick. That is a big investment. And he's not exactly screaming that he's the next Randy Moss.

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Pat White was Ireland's pick not Parcells.
Posted by: GetSense | February 07, 2013 at 03:01 PM

^Actually thats a complete lie.

YG, true if the offense held its own it wouldn't come down to the D.

I'm back

YG, should I call the guy who tore ur azzz on the last page. Denver runs a 4-3 with Von Miller @ OLB (Jones is a Von Miller clone). I explained this one months ago to you. You still don't understand. Not my problem.

I truly believe we should go either de or cb with our first pick but at no.12 you should go BPA

Oscar what do you think

Man we can go so many different ways between free agents and the draft we are wide open to anything

Maybe I am wrong, but I don't see DE as the biggest need. That has to be DB or WR and possily T.

Marcia In Toronto,

Call the guy? Should be easy he's in your same mentality area code. You wouldnt be charged any minutes because you 2 dummies are under the same provider. "Retardomonguls R Us Wireless". LOL....

Not saying we don't get one, but there are guys that at the least average at the position on the roster.

Wallace 11 mil. Jennings 8 mil. Keller 5 mil. M.johnson 8 mil. Levitre 6 mi. That's 38 mil. Then we have the draft see what I mean that my friends is the making of a playoff team

So lets see now we need cb help maybe a rt s help also a good RB and another wr

Marcia,

Your boy Von Miller had 1/2 a sack in the playoff loss to the Ravens. That's when he and Dummerville split the only sack the Broncos had the entire game. Stats that retardomongul @ Marcia In Toronto. LOL...

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013011200/2012/POST19/ravensbroncos#menu=highlights&tab=analyze

Why do you enjoy being such a dumass! ROTFLMAO..........

DC,

From the last blog....

You seem to know an AWFUL lot about DUIs and DWIs. Anything you want to confess to the blog?.....LOL.

Yeah, we really need a Von Miller clone that will also clone his 1/2 sack performance helping get us a 1st rd elimination from the playoffs after a 13-3.

Joe Flacco baked and sold girl scout cookies against the awsome Mr. Von Miller. ROTFLMAO.............

I think you can fit Jarvis Jones into a 4-3. I also think the Von Miller example a good one.

Can you imagine Jarvis Jones blitzing from Wake's outside shoulder?

It isn't our biggest need, but we could use an OLB with pass rushing skills. We got Burnett, Misi and Trusnik! Let that sink in.

There's alot of scouting, interviews and workouts to go and things can change in a hurry when you're talking The Draft. It's not my "Ideal" scenario, but I could live with Jarvis Jones being our pick at 12 - LOL!

YG,

Please tell me you're not now saying that Von Miller's not a good player. This guy is a STAR!!

Joe flacco is a gamer the man is clutch and his line is top notch

Yeah, you also forgot the 18.5 he got during the regular season, six forced fumbles, and all pro selection.

yeah, ur right you fat sack of shite, he's totally ineffective. No reason we should add 18.5 sacks to our football team.

Lardo Retardo 4 Ever!

Ross should hire Kiper or McShay to do the Dolphin draft.

But Von miller is a hunter dude he's a stud

Ireland admitted on WQAM that Pat White was his pick.

Btw guys,

It's a VERY dangerous thing to say taking a WR is a reach at 12. We don't KNOW that. Team after team passed on Randy Moss for a number of reasons and he seemed to work out OK. D. Thomas is doing nicely in Denver as the 21st pick in the draft or whatever he was. WE don't know. THE EXPERTS don't know. The GMs don't know.

Careful throwing out those generalisations. It's a CRAPSHOOT!....year after year after year.

I's rather have the Kid from FIU at safety around rd 4

Posted by: Rick | February 07, 2013 at 02:22 PM

he won't make it to the fourth. Some scout are calling him a late 1st rounder. I think he is a middle late 2 maybe early 3 not a 4th rounder. He is also limited to SS imo. Still like him. BTW his name is Jonathan cyprien, played with him at FIU and he has a big upside

Flacco is in the HOF barring injusy.

YG, should I call the guy who tore ur azzz on the last page. Denver runs a 4-3 with Von Miller @ OLB (Jones is a Von Miller clone). I explained this one months ago to you. You still don't understand. Not my problem.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | February 07, 2013 at 03:46 PM

Jarvis Jones 6'3 241 lbs "Von Miller Clone?"

Von Miller 1/2 sack, Flacco throws a girl scout cookie sell and bake. Joe Flacco 331yds 3 tds 0 picks. Ray Rice 30 carries 133yds.

Yup, lets make Jarvis Jones our #1 draft pick. He's a "Von Miller" clone. ROTFLMAO..........

Fin 77,

Nice try bud.....guys like you just LOVE making this shyte up, right? I've already heard Parcells take credit for it.

Hahaha, Lardo Retardo 4 Ever, care to claim again how Miller is not a good player????

You're such a waste of space. Blog space, living space, even the space between your ears is used inefficiently.

Craig M, your lieing

Retardomongul,

There's a saying in the nfl:

In the regular season you make your name. In the post season you earn your fame.

Marino's a great player. Choked every postseason though.

Earth to idiots....... lights are on... is anyone home?

Nice try Fin 77....look in the mirror.

How about you send us the link then. Get your grandson to show you how to do it.

Craig M is for MORON. Didnt he also lie about Philbin not wanting Flynn?? Yes he did.

Craig M lies to fit his agenda.

Posted by: Craig M | February 07, 2013 at 04:07 PM

Last I checked, there arent any 6'8 wr's with nearly 30tds and runs a 4.2 forty in this draft.

Who's the Randy Moss here? Inquiring minds would love to know. LOL...

Yeah Shula proved he's a lieing MORON. haha

Interesting that the Dolphins are apparently so deficient in the passing department (on offense and defense) that the "experts" have them needing both a wide receiver for the offense and safety for the defense in the first round.

That should tell you folks that think the Dolphins are close to competing for the AFC East crown how far this team truly is.

Mando,

Absolutely true. Best case scenario for next year is 9-7 & that's only if the O-line & Tannehill dramatically improve.

In the end I believe we'll finish 8-8 & Ireland will be back for 2014. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Ireland must have some Manti T'eo type of dirt on Ross.

Lardo Retardo doesn't think Dan Marino or Von Miller would be worthy of a draft pick ... WHOA ...

What do yo expect from a lying canadien?

Craig, maybe we should draft the "polar opposite" of Randy Moss.

Wait, Moss never won a super bowl. Forget it, Lardo Retardo wouldn't draft him either.

You bring in special players to win championships. Thats why they are called special players.

Doesnt matter how special a guy is in the regular season when he disappears during the post season.

RETARDOMONGUL IN TORONTO IS...... WELL...YOU SEE HIS NAME PRINTED HERE. LOL....

Ireland better get help from someone

YG, are all canadiens lying MORONS? WTF??

Von Miller was selected to the Pro Bowl as a rookie **AND** named an All Pro. He was also named as the AP Defensive Rookie Of The Year.

2011 Rookie season: 11.5 sacks, 19 quarterback hits, and 29 quarterback hurries.

In 2012 Miller was again named to the Pro Bowl and got 18.5 sacks. This kid has ran a 4.49 forty and I'm sure thats helped him rack up his **30 sacks** in his first two regular seasons.

Interesting note from Wiki: It pertains to our situation exactly.

The selection of Miller surprised certain experts. Denver was switching from a 3-4 defense to a 4-3 defense, a defense which seemed counter-intuitive to Miller's strengths. Former Broncos quarterback John Elway, who is also the executive vice president of the franchise, said "[Miller's] a type of guy that comes around every 10 years."[32]
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So ah, YG..........you're going to knock Miller for only getting a 1/2 sack in the playoffs?

Maybe we don't need to draft Jones, the way you make it sound, Elway will be cutting him anyway. ROTFLMAO!

I thought it was bad when you railed on Hartline after he had 74 catches for over 12oo yards.

But now you're cutting on Miller because he only had 1/2 a sack in a playoff game?

GTFOH!!!!


Retardomongul @ Marcia In Toronto,

One thing for certain, you need not be embarassed about making a complete and total ass of yourself here today. Youve done that with evry sigle post ever made.

INCLUDING YOUR MANY ALIASES. GUYS, DONT BE DECIEVED BY A GUY SIGNING IN UNDER "BLUE". ITS ONLY A "TROLL'S" ATTEMPT TO DECIEVE. LOL........

yeah, Von Miller, Dan Marino, Randy Moss, none of them are special ...

We should be drafting Trent Dilfer, David Patten, and Dan Klecko

YG, are all canadiens lying MORONS? WTF??

Posted by: Canadien Bacon | February 07, 2013 at 04:24 PM

Not really, the guy who signs in under Montreal absolutely hates Retardomongul @ Marcia In Toronto. That's a great "clue" he isnt totally "clueless". LOL...

Mark in Toronto is very young and naive.

Oddi-assi,

Will you just stfu already? Are you also from Tornto? LOL....

Oddi-Assi,

Will you just stfu already. Are you also from Toronto? LOL...

lardo Retardo, the only horepisss for brains here is you.

I don;t sign in as anyone else here, unlike you, Mr Canadien Bacon. How do I knos it's you? because only a total moron misspells Canadian. Total moron, you fit the description. As hard as it is for you to believe, I'm not the only one here who thinks you're a retard, so you get entries like the one we saw today.

Stupid things YG says section. Hahhaa, priceless.

Like Odin said, GTFOH ... it's Thursday, your day to earn your crack money, you toothless fat sack of shite.

Oddi-Assi,

Sems the "internet gods" 2nds that motion. It double posted it! ROTFLMAO! LOL...........................

More lies Retardo, it's Craig and Montreal that get along. The only person I crap on here is you. And the only people who provoke me here are you and Home. That's great company ... enjoy.

Mark and Craig = VILLAGE IDIOTS

Craig I've posted multiple quotes (in the past year or so) from Bill Parcells admitting he made a mistake with Pat White. It's been proven to death. Don't bother trying to fix stupid, it never works.

I'm sick and tired of hearing this same retarded nonsense over and over. Same posts, same words, same misinformation. I am never talking about this again. You shouldn't either. I've been ignoring these drive by one line posts (that have been repeated every single day) when I'm in here. If fans want to remain ignorant about their own team let them.

Retardomongul @ Marcia In Toronto,

Gigs up liar. You use several aliases to attack then later agree with yourself(alias). Youre out of the closet C O C K .......... SUCKER! LOL...

I said Montreal hates "YOUR GUTS". See you can not read either. LOL...

Sure, Canadien bacon, uhm, I mean We All Know, I mean fake ALoco, I mean Lardo Retardo 4 Ever!

Find one entry when Montreal and I went at it. ONE!

By the way, what are you doing here, it's only the 7th of the month. The 1st was only last week, you couldn't have blown all that money already ... it's supposed to last an entire month...

I'm tired of Mando saying how far the Dolphins are from contention in the AFC East - if Carpenter makes two makeable FGs against the Jets and Cardinals this team would have been on a roll. This team has to learn how to win close games - and that comes with winning close games!! I think if they can get a few offensive playmakers (even ifthe defense stays about the same) - there will be marked improvement next year - also, Brady is getting old.

Before I go , Craig. Look back a few blogs or just pages. 90% of the posts that are under twenty words either have nothing to do with football or they are written by the blog parrot.

Hennehill sucks squawk squawk, Ireland picked Pat white squawk chirp, 3 picks for Thomas SQUAAAAWWKKKKKKK!

Just ignore the shorties! ;)

Armando,

What Miami does in FA will determine where they go in the draft. If Miami can land Jennings or Wallace in FA, then I doubt Miami reaches for a WR in the 1st. I would say pass rushing DE or CB.

I'm hearing very good things about CB Banks from Mississipi.

IF I were ireland, I'd use FA to get Wallce or Jennings, Finely or Keller & A. Cason. That frees up those 1st 5 picks to go just about ANY direction!

If they land the top 3 guys out of that bunch, to me it's Wallace, Finley & Cason, that's about $25 mil of the cap space but also address the 3 biggest needs on the roster to make us more competitive this year.

It also leaves about 20 mil to bring back Hartline, Mcdaniels & maybe Bush or Long.

I'd rather fill the biggest needs in FA with established vets & proven players & use the draft to bring in the best young available talent to shore up the tackle, guards & safeties.

I trust Ireland more to bring in FA's to fill our pressing needs & pray he can find a couple of decent players to fill other voids.

ALoco where are you? YG is swearing, get out your wooden spoon my man!

ODDI-ASSI,

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Interesting note from Wiki: It pertains to our situation exactly.

The selection of Miller surprised certain experts. Denver was switching from a 3-4 defense to a 4-3 defense, a defense which seemed counter-intuitive to Miller's strengths. Former Broncos quarterback John Elway, who is also the executive vice president of the franchise, said "[Miller's] a type of guy that comes around every 10 years."[32]
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So ah, YG..........you're going to knock Miller for only getting a 1/2 sack in the playoffs?

But now you're cutting on Miller because he only had 1/2 a sack in a playoff game?

Posted by: odinseye | February 07, 2013 at 04:27 PM

YEAH, PROVES HE CAN BE GREAT IF YOU HAVE A BIG LEAD AND TEAMS HAVE TO PASS. PLAYOFFS CAN BECOME A DIFFERENT BEAST. LIKE RAY RICE BEAST. 30 CARRIES 133YDS.

THEN THROW IN 331 3TDS AND 0 INTS, VON MILLER = 1/2 SACK. LOL...

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