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Kiper and McShay make draft picks for Dolphins; Salguero says be careful about both selections

We are closing in on that time of year, my acquaintances. Draft microscope time!!!

I call this time draft microscope time because the actual draft is still two months away and the games are in our rear-view mirror. So the actual work for the draft involves workouts and visits and the Combine and interviews -- things that are meant to put a player under the microscope without him, you know, actually playing football.

And to celebrate today, I bring you Mel Kiper's and Todd McShay's latest mock drafts.

Both of ESPN's draft "experts" published their mock drafts today and at the No. 12 selection where the Dolphins are picking both went in polar opposite directions.

Kiper had the Dolphins picking Tennessee wide receiver Cordarelle Patterson.

McShay had the Dolphins picking Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro.

Interesting that the Dolphins are apparently so deficient in the passing department (on offense and defense) that the "experts" have them needing both a wide receiver for the offense and safety for the defense in the first round.

That should tell you folks that think the Dolphins are close to competing for the AFC East crown how far this team truly is.

At any rate, let me give you some food for thought here.

Neither projection is wrong at this point. Obviously. But both projections will depend on what the Dolphins do in free agency.

If, for example, the Dolphins go into free agency and sign my newly adopted son Mike Wallace (I added him to the Salguero family that already includes RG3 and Tim Tebow), then it becomes very, very unlikely the team invests a first-round pick on a wide receiver. It doesn't make sense when there are needs at cornerback and defensive end and yes, even safety. That would make the Patterson pick unlikely.

One possibility here would be if the club signs a veteran receiver such as Wallace (yippie!) or Greg Jennings (meh) or Dwayne Bowe (boo!) but allows Brian Hartline to leave via free agency. Then the club's need at WR will remain such that it could require first-round impact.

And if, for example, the Dolphins re-sign pending free agent Chris Clemons, who started every game at one safety spot this year, it is less likely the team will then re-invest in the same position at the level of a first-round pick to take Vaccaro. Remember, I have reported that the team has been talking to safety Reshad Jones about a contract extension so that is an obvious signal one safety spot is locked down.

The Dolphins have too many needs to extend Jones, re-sign Clemons (an expense beyond what rookies make and too expensive to have him sit as a backup) and then use a first-round pick on Vaccaro with the expectation he would start with Jones.

That is the strategic look at the situation as it relates to other moves in free agency that neither Kiper nor McShay are considering.

Now, as to the value of each player, there are some serious questions.

First, both Kiper and McShay have their guys going to the Dolphins at No. 12. But on the ESPN "Big Board" that lists players by grade, Kiper has Patterson listed at No. 15 and Vaccaro at No. 17. Yeah, that's what the Dolphins should do: Draft guys at No. 12 that you have valued several slots lower. In my country, that's called a reach.

Second, let's take a look at the players themselves. Both are solid. Both will be playing in the NFL next year. But neither screams, "I'm going to be a star so watch out!"

Vaccaro is said to be a bigtime playmaker. The Dolphins secondary needs this badly because taking the football away or making plays that get the defense off the field is something the Dolphins need more of. But I look at Vaccaro's stats and he had two interceptions last season. He had no forced fumbles. And he had two passes defensed, not counting the bowl game. And he played on a defense that gave up 50 points to Baylor, 63 points to Oklahoma, and 48 points to West Virginia.

I have not watched the guy on tape, but his statistics don't exactly suggest he's the next Ed Reed.


He looks the part. He's 6-3 and 205 pounds. He's billed as fast. And he's got the overall stats. He caught 46 passes for 778 yards and a 16.9 average with five touchdowns last season. It was his only season at Tennessee.

But dig deeper into that last paragraph.

I would be concerned Patterson spent his first two years at a JUCO and then transferred to Tennesee. Why? What's the story on him not getting in to a major college coming out of high school? Why is he jumping to the draft after only one season?

Whatever the answers, the bottom line is Patterson has limited experience against top flight college talent. So that makes me a bit uneasy.

Then there is this: A closer look at Patterson's impressive stats reveals some issues.

Of his 46 catches, Patterson feasted against lesser opponents but was a much more average player against better opponents. He caught only 16 passes against ranked AP teams and his average was only 11.4 yards per catch against those teams -- five yards less than his overall average.


Against the SEC's two best teams -- Georgia and Alabama -- Patterson basically disappeared. He caught two passes for 31 yards against the Bulldogs. He caught one pass for 25 yards against the Crimson Tide.


Meanwhile, he padded his stats with nine catches for 219 yards against Troy. It was the only game all season he went over 100 receiving yards.

That doesn't mean the kid won't play big in big games. That doesn't mean he's not gifted. That doesn't mean he's not a first-round pick.

But it does mean he requires a lot, much, tons of study to make sure he's worthy of a No. 12 pick. That is a big investment. And he's not exactly screaming that he's the next Randy Moss.


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So many screaming draft pash rusher, draft pass rusher at #12. But they dont consider that guy will also have to be able to play the run very well too.

If he's not "stoudt enough" to play the run very. Then what you have is a "situational pass rusher" that you drafted at #12. These can be found later in the draft. LOL...

Who can go thru Pierre Paul, Watt. Only the very few.

Tannehill is a game general he's our present and future

Do you guys believe and support water boarding

No. Testicle squeezing.

A run away goat in Brooklyn how funny is that
Posted by: Marc from nj | February 07, 2013 at 05:54 PM


Posted by: Yesterday's Gone 4Ever! | February 07, 2013 at 06:01 PM

YG, you are pathetic dude. Armando's Monkey Boy Troll just passed you up. You are now leading the pack when it comes too Posters not worth paying any attention too-lol.

You make a complete moronic fool of yourself calling one of the best OLB's in the league no good.

We were all right in calling you out on your idiotic post. I mean, in the world of reality, the players, the coaches and all the FO's would call you an idiot over your post as well.

So how do you respond to being "Put In Your Place?"

Like the True Moron that you are, you resort to childish, dated name calling. Right on down to talking about Mom's.

Even if you were a 3rd grader, you'd be getting lit up. Duh, is YG DuMMerin-a 3rd grader.

A yuka-yuka........YEP!

YG got roasted over one of many tarded posts he makes constantly(be happy you didn't called on MORE of your ignorant ramblings-lol), so him is calling peoples Momma's names.

ROTFLMAO - What a punk A ss Little Be-Atch you're proving yourself to be-lol.

Bhwaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

Werner would be a great fit opposite Wake. He has high motor and is good against the run as well. Very doubtful he slips out of the top 5 though.

According to my trusty point value chart which is getting very old, it would cost 500 pts to move up from 5 to 12 which is basically a 2nd rd pick. I personally wouldn't give up that much.

Odin do you support testi squeezing or water boarding

Or maybe impailing

Warning is a great prospect but the dude from smu is a beast as well he's another big German

Listen, if the guy is the True deal, I wouldn't go up 500 points. 600, 700+.

Margus hunt is his name

Hunt can be had in the late 2 or even 3 rd round he's 6 "8 270 runs 5.70

We want immediate, high quality Starters here, possible HOFers.

Trading Odrick would be dumb. We have a bunch of starters leaving via FA, so there are a ton of holes that need to filled already. One option is to resign Randy Starks but he will be looking for big money. Odrick has played every DL position in college and he was originally a DT in a 4-3 system so the common sense thing to do would be to move him to DT and look for a DE that can pressure the QB being that it is a need anyways. The other thing is that sooner or later we have to start committing to players development. We can't be investing a 1st rd pick in a player and than a couple years down the road turning around and trading them for a 2nd. We invested a 1st in Davis and got a 2nd, we invested two 2nd in Marshall and got two 3rd. Winning teams don't makes such foolish moves, specially in what is considered a weak draft.

Now, now, don't get cheap on Us.

I would sign micheal Johnson as a free agent that take care of pass rush

I'm from tenn. and have watched every game this yr. armando's stat machine doesn't really speak the truth. patterson is a beast. I admit that he needs some work on running routes but he can learn that during camp. NO cb in the NFL will be able to stop him, not even revis. Patterson had to share passes with justin hunter who is more polished than patterson but not even close to the pure physical talent he displays. watch film and make ur own opinion instead of hanging off armando's every word.

I see nothing weak in this Draft, perhaps QB, but who can blame them after last Year.

I have watched the film and Patterson is a dumasss. He'll never get it. Much brighter and over the top WRs in this Draft.


If he's the real deal your absolutely right. If the experts continue to think so though his stock will continue to rise and may be very costly as far as picks.

YG got that one right though, he certainly is an interesting player in a position of need for us.

Posted by: Dolfan Rick | February 07, 2013 at 06:52 PM

Dolphin Rick,

Exactly why I said it all depends on what happens during fa.

Say, Stark's resigned, say we're able to get a 2nd rd in trade for Odrick. First to Odrick:

Armando's blog about getting a late 1st to 2nd isnt totally out of the realm. 3-4 DE's arent expected to get huge numbers in the pass rush dept. Their job is occupying blockers so that the olb's can get there.

3-4 D teams spend 1st-2nd rd picks on these type De's all of the time. Odrick's still under his rookie contract(2013 and 2014). So that team's getting and already experienced 3-4 DE at a rookie contract price.

Now back to the 500 point to move to top 5(Werner). 2nd rd pick? The 2nd rd pick gotten in an Odrick trade compensates for the 2nd rd pick used to move up. Capiche?

I would take Montgomery or Mingo over Werner in a ny minute

Even dion Jordan has more upside

Oscar what do you think

The problem with D. Thomas is typical, is not his physical ability, he's as dumb as an ox. Pretty soon, when they see they don't get it, these type of Players start acting up, a la Gates, and soon, they will be cut. Football Coaches are not Psychologists.


The 1st rd pick invested in Odrick was in drafting a 3-4 DE. We play 4-3 now. The DE responsibility is as different as night and day.

Now if you could trade Odrick and parlay it into a 4-3 DE. That would be great work. And no, I highly doubt anyone's going to "break the bank" for DT(Starks) going into his 10th season.

Aint gonna happen, Starks knows this. At this stage of his career he's probably glad to get $5 million a year. Starks 2012 cap hit was 5 million. $6 million would probably be the max anyone's willing to offer Starks going into his 10th season. LOL....

Fair enough YG. I have also been looking to see where we might find an impact player for our defense.

Their are some obvious ones on offense in free agency at WR and TE.

On defense I'm not so sure. Kruger and Mike Johnson are good but elite...not so sure.

Werner is the one guy in the draft besides Oline that has the look of possibly becoming elite.


I respect ur opinion on patterson even if ur wrong. I've read alot of ur posts, wouldn't be the first time. How can u call him a dumb a$#, do u know him, have u ever spoke to him? U say there are more talent at wr than him. surely ur not speaking of woods or allen. don't forget patterson played in the SEC, the most dominate conf. in college.

Patterson would be a good pick. Let's not forget his rushing stats off end arounds. Athletically gifted but RAW.

I can tell who is dumb by the first words out of their mouth, Sinatrajr. That's part of my Profession.





must have got that degree in a foreign country and i never said u were dumb. But u are obviously narcissistic.

I was very impressed by Ezequiel Anhsa in his performance at the Sr. Bowl. Dominated the Game. Seems to be strong and very smart and as of now my pick for DE in this year's Draft.

I gotta admit guys if the names Mingo, Patterson,Werner,Allen,Milliner etc comes out of the commish's mouth as our first pick I'd be ok.

It's the names like Odrick back in 2010 that none us even considered that scare me.

So, Sinatrajr, what's wrong with a degree from a Foreign Country. Americans superior? HoHo!

Milliner would be a solid 1st round pick, but I'm not sure he will fall to us at 12.



Most of the rest of the World laugh at Americans. I remember when Obama selected Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State, the Ayatollas from Iran(a very studious group of People) laughed and called her , "the College Girl". How you like them Apples. I have many more ripened ones(Apples) for you.

What you think, ALoco, Americans superior to the rest of the World?



Great thing about the current situation is that as long as Ireland doesn't do the usual trade down thing, we could use anybody, no matter what position. They are that average.

ALoco my pal. U may need THREE machines!!



I'm not narcissistic, you could say I'm arrogant; with good Reason, I posses the greater Education.




I'm not narcissistic, you could say I'm arrogant; with good Reason, I posses the greater Education.

Posted by: oscar canosa | February 07, 2013 at 07:58 PM

greater education? Well you sure had us fooled...

Not evident(the humbleness) from what People are writing here, ALoco.

Sounds like you are prepared . Got candles?


If I enjoyed clearing the snow.....I'd move to Boston.

I post with my own name, I'm a Psychiatrist, I'm in the Yellow Pages. I have read from Oedipus Rex thru Turgenev's Fathers and Sons to the present very poor Writers. I KNOW.




I love Storms. Electricity out, no fukkking artificial air, cold or hot. There, you can Talk.

oscar, we get it. You think you're smarter and therefore better then us.

I'm only smarter than you because of my greater Education. And, yes, we can make mincemeat out of you.(if we wanted to)


It's a good thing that most bloggers here are not real Americans, ALoco. Were to be so , the Prejudice here would be intolerable.

Dolphins Discussing A Long-Term Agreement With DT Randy Starks

Salvador Borboa January 13, 2013 No Comments

Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reports that the Dolphins have already begun contract negotiations with impending free agent DT Randy Starks.

According to Jackson, Miami has made it quite clear that they want to re-sign him, but admits that the two sides are not close to reaching an agreement.

Starks is in a great position to land a very solid contract in the coming months. Several reports have indicated that the Dolphins clearly intend to shop for value in regards to signing and retaining veteran players.

There’s a chance that the Dolphins could end up passing on Starks and moving DE Jared Odrick inside to tackle, or possibly even draft a replacement.

Another player who is set to hit the market is QB Matt Moore. According Jackson, Moore has informed the team that he would like to pursue a better opportunity to start in the NFL. Unless the team offers Moore an “incredible offer” to remain the team’s backup, it seems as though Moore will not return next season.

We have Starks listed as the No. 22 best available player in our Top 50 Free Agents list.

Sure, LOL, there are many more like Me. Now We are connected. That they choose not to write, it's their concern. But they are reading and therefore evaluating you. Right, Paul?

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