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Live blog chat here at 2 p.m.

There's plenty to talk about the Dolphins as they prepare for the Combine next week.

So this is a good time for a live chat.

I'll be here at 2 p.m. and if you are here, we can discuss the team. If you cannot be here then, leave your questions or comments now and I'll address them. You can check back later to see my response to your comment.

Topics on the table:

All free agency -- Miami's own and those about to be cut loose by other teams.

The draft. Who fits. Who doesn't. Miami's needs.

Anything else that comes to your mind.

Before anyone asks: The team has said the new logo will be unveiled in April. So that's out of the way.

 

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Very sorry. Cruz, 4.47.

Esiason has always hated danny boy. Back before peyton won his ring boomer said peyton was this generations dan marino.. all stats. Odin I wouldnt be surprised if warmack were our pick if he was available. Our guards dont fit the zone blocking scheme and dude gets to the second level and he is nasty. Incogs gets by on strength and smarts and has quick feet.

I think I'd much rather get Big Ben.

Warmack is nowhere close to David DeCastro of last year. Pass.

Whatever call they make on Jennings I am good with since Philbin knows him so well. I'd rather not invest in someone on the down side of his career, but if Philbin thinks he is worth a couple of years, I'll take his word on it.

I'm not feeling like this team is headed in the right direction. We gain some good players but its never enough and every draft we have more holes than picks.

Neither is RT a fit for the WCO. He is a slinger with a huge arm. Very frustrating for him, to manage Games. At least get him somebody that can go deep sometimes and let him unwind.

Yes the Dullfins are totally pathetic but I do have good news. I hit the jackpot at the casino!!

The more I research Wallace the more I become convinced he is not a good fit here, but would be great in Denver, for instance.

Posted by: oscar canosa | February 17, 2013 at 11:23 PM
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I'm impressed Oscar, nice post. Replete with research, facts and even a hypothetical proposition. Of which I couldn't agree more. Denver does seem like the perfect fit for Wallace.

I do think the "Fit" is the major concern with Wallace vs. Jennings. For us, I believe Jenning's would prove to be the better fit.

Before I'm attacked, I would welcome either. I just think that all things considered.........for me........it's Jennings!

Our guards dont fit the zone blocking scheme and dude gets to the second level and he is nasty. Incogs gets by on strength and smarts and has quick feet.

Posted by: Sammo | February 17, 2013 at 11:29 PM
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Warmack would hard to pass on!

Can you imagine Cogs, Pouncey and Warmack slamming in the middle?

I could be an inside runner behind these Monsters!

Victor Cruz is one of those rare ones. With split end size and speed, he's so quick that he can also play the slot better than most. Later, I will talk more of these rare talents. GN.

TanneBust has no accuracy over 15 yds. Zero, zip, nada, none.

TanneBust has no accuracy over 15 yds. Zero, zip, nada, none.

Posted by: Start Matt Moore | February 18, 2013 at 12:15

Matt Moore has no accuracy at all! Not to mention he fumbles constantly.

I like Tanny. Did he play great this year? No, but you can't blame a rookie with an inconsistent RB and and two slots starting 1 and 2 at WR. Then you add an offensive line that lacks the skillet the coaches needed to run there scheme. We have to be happy he played as well as he did as a rookie.

Warmack is nowhere close to David DeCastro of last year. Pass.

Posted by: oscar canosa | February 17, 2013 at 11:47 PM
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I agreed with your Wallace post Oscar, but NOT this one.

Some.........**SOME** sites have Warmack graded out **HIGHER** than where DeCastro was last year.

I know this doesn't mean squat, but it's not accurate to say he's "nowhere close". This is just my opinion of course, but go watch some youtube highlight vids of **BOTH**. I'll bet you change your mind.

Unless the coaching staff see something in Will Yeatman that I don't know about we are going to need another Tackle. I like Martin's quickness but he needs more strength and I'm not sure if he is more than a stopgap.

Personally, I'd like to see us draft Lane Johnson. The guy is 6'6" 305lbs and runs a 40yd dash in the 4.7's! He has unreal athleticism for our Zone blocking scheme.

Woodshed,

I have to agree with you. One thing I know for certain, Tannehill simply did not get the proper time to throw the ball. Then on the blitzes, many were allowed to come free and others were the result of a missed blocking assignment by the back, the TE or the Lineman. The point being, too many times, the blitzes were allowed to come free.

I don't care what others were saying earlier either. The run game, the receivers, or how great QB's make those around them better. None of it matters if your guy isn't getting the protection.

Brady is probably the best example of this, but it holds true across the board. For a young Kid that you're trying to develop? A young Kid with a very limited amount of time at QB?

It's hard to even accurately assess where Tannehill's truly at in his development when he's running for his life on 75% of his pass plays.

I'm not saying we NEED to.....or SHOULD go out and try to get Warmack in 1st round. But whatever we do, we HAVE to get the O-Line settled and improved THIS YEAR!

Otherwise, forget about Tannehill. This fanbase will run him out of town because he couldn't take us to the playoffs while running for his Fvcking Life!

It's simply too soon to give up on Jake Long. Especially when you consider the position we're in. We have a chance to make up some ground on the East with all these picks and Free Agency Money. This isn't the time to CREATE more holes for Christs Sake. BIG holes like Left Tackle. C'Mon!

Jonathon Martin? Please! Honestly we don't even know if he can play **RIGHT** tackle! Sean Smith my A ss! Tag Jake for this year and free up some latitude(s). Don't CREATE more problems for yourself at this point. Tag Long and CONCENTRATE on Free Agency, The Combine and HALLELUJAH..........The Draft!

(Ok, so that one turned into a diatribe too. Oh well......skip it........sue me......WHATEVERRRRR)!

ValHalla!!!!

I THINK IF WE GET TO RESIGN BUSH AT A REASONABLE PRICE WE NEED TO DO SO, ESPECIALLY IF SIGNING WALLACE.IF BUSH IS BREAKING OFF LONG RUNS WITH 10 DEFENDERS CLOSE TO THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE THAN IMAGINE HOW IT WOULD BE WITH A DEEP THREAT(WALLACE) AND HARTLINE ALONG WITH BESS AND A GOOD TE. BUSH WOULD RUSH FOR AT LEAST 1200 YDS BARRING INJURIES. KEEP GOOD TALENT AND ADD TO IT AND FINALLY THIS 7-9 BULL CRAP WILL STOP.

Odinseye, I understand your thinking with tagging Jake Long but I whole heatedly disagree for several reasons. Please hear this out:

When looking at free agents vs drafts from our needs perspective, it seems easier to accurately assess an offensive lineman in the draft and a WR in free agency. Think about it. How many 1st rd WR's do we see pan out in comparison to 1st rd offensive lineman? Lineman picked early usually pan out and most often contribute early on. I can name several top ten WR picks that either were bust or took at least 3 years to develop into even a serviceable starter.
Now look at the same thing in regards to free agency. Well established Lineman start to erode after those first few years and injuries have a snowball effect. We have seen this with Groves, Smiley and from the looks of things, Jake Long. It sucks but it is true. However WR's seem to be playing longer and longer while contributing. If it wasn't for attitude problems Ocho, and T.O. could still play and Randy Moss still is. Irving Fryar was productive late for us. Tim Brown, Jerry Rice and Cris Carter also played at a high level for a long time.

The decision is easier than ever with the new rookie wage scale. We need to drop Long and revamp our O-line because its cheaper and a higher probability for success. Save the cash for Free Agents at a skill position that can either score on offense (WR, RB) or create Turnovers for more scoring opportunities (CB or S).

I LKE THE NEW ODIN,STICKS TO FOOTBALL TALK AND DOSNT ARGUE.
HE SHOWS HONOR IN A BLOG FILLED WITH DISHONOR.
(BUFFET FO KNOWLEDGE)

It's very cold in Miami now. Not used to 40s here. Yes, odin, I believe Ireland will make a serious try to retain Long's services. Makes sense not to create holes we can't fill now and just retain Long and move J-Mart back to RT this Season. Will the negotiations be successful with Long and his agent? Nope. We and our sisters downhere know that Long is no more worth a rich, many years contract. So, only way to retain him for only 1 yr is to Franchise him.

As both cases are more or less equal, Long and SS have us bent over forward and ready to take a big $au$age up our Assss, from the one that is not franchised. I guess that's the price you pay for trying to Win. Ouch!

Odin and others....

If Wallace's ONE TRIP/ONE DIMENSION is scoring TOUCHDOWNS....then how do you argue against that....i believe the # is something like 32 in four years....

I know its politically correct to go for the SUPER NICE guy.....and for some reason people feel that Philbin love Jennings....but guess what.....we were ALSO told he loved FLYNN....done deal...remember.....

Sign the UP and COMER...not the has been who will be on IR by week 9.....

If we must have a reciever from GB...make it the TE Finely....and he will cost too....thats the nature of the game....

many of you have acquired a taste for Steakum steak....cause that is all we have been fed the past 14 years or so....

Well...I still remember what Filet Mignon taste like....as no matter how faint the memory....

This fan base needs to stop settling for dog food....and demand we get Caviar and Champaign like the old fogie 72 FINS do with they're embarrassing display every year....

demand better....expect better....

We is rare down here, Kris. We know that. We have a gunslinger QB running a WCO. Hmm... Well, Elway did it, why can't RT?

I'm not saying go for the super nice guy Jennings for anything other then his experience being a #1 WR and being so versatile. I don't care honestly about being PC. Sounds like Jennings wants to be here for reasons other than just money alone. Jennings can flat out play football and I'm less worried about his ancient age of 29 going on 30 and injury then I am about putting Wallace into the #1 WR slot. Wallace is not the best fit for this team in my humble opinion. Dare I go so far as to say he could be a huge FA bust? Hmmm

Dadsmithwest.....

If we want to OPEN up the offense....then we need a guy who will force the safety to be 20 yards off the line of scrimmage...the DB covering him will be 10 yards deep most of the time...before the snap.....when is the last time the FINS had the fastest guy on the FEILD.....and a guy who talents are respected.....

Wallace can truly make the run game better.....no more 9 in the box on the regular....as much as I loved Marshall....even he couldn't fix that problem...he just wasn't fast enough....and neither is Bowe....Bowe is Marshall 2.0....with a quarter less talent......Bowe will be jammed @ the line....with a safety behind...maybe 10 yards....Bowe neutralized.....except for the 7 yard slant....

do we really want to see more 7 yard slants...and 15 play drives that end in FG....

I don't....

get the POVEN SPEEDSTER...and the high priced TE from GB.....and lets score some points....

Yes, dad, many times these great Organizations like NE Pitt., GB let their good Players go and these proceed to never work out anywhere else. What they do to them while in their Place, I don't know, but the above stated is a fact.

Fine we need a guy to get deep and open up defenses. Agreed. But is that the role of the #1 WR? your best WR in the case of the very best WR's in the league yes. Is Wallace best at running all the routes in the tree? Is he going to be open with the blitz on when pressed at the line? Correct me if I'm wrong here but wasn't Wallace a #3 WR on the Steelers? And now he's going to be our #1 WR? Looking at the Steelers depth chart he is not listed in their base offense.

I agree with you both...its possible Wallace bust.....its also possible he exposes Tanne for being a horrible QB.....getting wide open...and Tanne missing him by 10 yards....

I would rather see that...and then understand that we need a new QB....rather than Jennings comes here and catches all this underneath stuff and mask Tanne deficiencies over the next 3 years....

We need to know NOW if we have a QB who can play....we need to know NOW...we we can become a big play team....

The schedule is NO JOKE next year.....I think we have the 8th toughest in the league.....for me....next year will be more about improved play...then it will be about wins and losses....we need to develop and offense that scores 28 a game...like the SKINS did....and let the wins and losses sort themselves out....

thats my take on next year....

Dads.....

I am not really looking @ Wallace as a #1....i look @ him as a cog in a machine....he has a role to play....I don't think we need a TRUE #1....I just think we need a bunch of 1A'a.....and maybe a 1B....

like PITT...and NE...and GB....and SF...and Baltimore....and Seattle.....thats how you build you're wr corp...imo....

Not ONE really good guy...and a bunch of scrubs....we have tried that approach...in the NEW NFL...you need a bunch of REALLY GOOD GUYS.....Guys that other teams view as possible #1's for them.....

Well there you go Wallace is not a #1 but we're going to pay him like it and not solve the separation problem? Honestly if Wallace were that good and could be a #1 WR it would have happened. He is the best #3 in the league and can get deep no doubt. But I think it's a heck of a stretch to expect him to be a #1. Theeee problem with our WR's is separation including Hartline at times. If Wallace could get separation off the line and get open quick he would be a #1 but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Dads....

Not to beat a dead horse here....but let me throw this out there...

Pierre Garcon of the SKINS was a # 2 or 3 Receiver on the Colts.....he went to the SKINS and became a true # 1...even to the point that the skins were 0-6 without Garcon on the field last year....

So...imo...ints not about the VALUE that another team places on a player that matters...the true test is can you design an offense that maximized said players strengths and minimizes exposed weaknesses....

That is what the NFL is all about now.....the SKINS adopted a whome new offense to suit the strengths of their rookie QB...and the NFL followed suit with their young guns.....

Last year the Broncos started over MID-SEASON with Tebow (i'm gonna throw up now)......and they went from dead and buried...to a playoff win....

Its about adaptation now...not about fitting square pegs into round holes....its football....who has been more INNOVATIVE over the last 10 years than Belicheat.....

Who showed their balls in the Saints Colts SB.....

The Vikings went from one of the best passing offenses with Farve...to nearly breaking the Rushing Record with Peterson....its about Change man.....doing whats right for the team...not the coaches ego......

The team that changes first wins....

The Colts FIRED they;re OC...thy were like 10-3 @ the time....they had scored 50 points twice in the season already....Harbaugh wanted them to be MORE dynamic...and more importantly...MORE CONSISTENT.....

The other Harbaugh bench his QB....and changed his offense MID SEASON g=for the dame reason.....

as we go forward...remember this....

CHANGE=WINNING....

ADAPTATION=CHANGE....

Kris, the team, just last season, hired a group of coaches to install the west coast offense in Miami. For all of what Mike Wallace means to Pittsburgh in their offense, it doesn't translate well in Miami. Think... quick, instead of fast; precise route running; great hands. This is not Wallace.

It also sounds like you need the vertical game to justify Wallace. Well, a WCO is horizontal- spread out the defense. Frustrate and tire them out with short passes- lots of slants. Create mismatches with formations and personnel. Develop exquisite timing between QBs and route runners.

Pitt, in order to potentially extend Roethlisberger's career, hired an OC to develop a short passing game and keep Ben from running around, taking the big hits. Wallace's stats suffered. He's simply not the threat in a short passing game that he is otherwise.

Dads...

I don't care what you want to call Wallace....call him a # 8 WR if that helps you feel better.....but let me ask you this...

if Wallace is a #3 (by your words).....and Wallace is BETTER any receiver currently on the FINS.....

what # would you give our best WR....

Billcale.....

Bold prediction #1....if BIG BEN has another year like he did last year....look for the PITT OC to be fired....MID-SEASON.....again....ROUND PEG...SQUARE HOLE.....

2nd....out of Philbin's own mouth....he isn't looking to build GBs offense here....so I don't think that is a very good starting point.....

I'm sure you watched the games last year....

Hartline who rarely gets YAC had a 16 Yards per Catch average.....

does that sound like a short passing game to you....

Now imagine we get a guy who can get open consistently......

Bill...this isn't BIll Walsh's WCO offense any more....

Come on people join me on the Jennings bandwagon. Jennings is a round peg in a round hole. I see a lot more risk for failure in projecting a guy to do something he hasn't proven to be able to do in this league than I do injury which no one can predict or stop. I'm almost ready to put Wallace as my #3 behind Bowe just considering these factors.

I would say Hartline is our best WR currently and is a #2 that was being used as a #1. Separation haunts this guy too.

Dads....

do you see how that # system is flawed....

you have Hartline as a #2...and Wallace as a #3.....c'mon....

Have you or Billcale even considered that Wallace just did was he was coached to do....be a DEEP THREAT.....Since PITT drafts better....they had the LUXERY of using a guy just for that reason...we don't....

Wallce did as he was told.....does that make him ONE DIMENSIONAL as some want to label him....of a darned good Soldier/Football player.....

You guys think he can't run another route...seriously.....

I remember him catching one of those 7 yard slants on one hash mark....and taking it 70 yards to the house....beating everyone on the field to the opposite sideline....and making them look like they were in slow motion....

the guy did what he was asked to do....

#1 WR are going the way of #1 RBs.....

you guys need to realize that now....in a few years it will be old news....and the NFL will be on to the next trend....

Kris, The team couldn't effectively run their offense of choice last year- no big surprise what with a rookie QB, new coaches and a group of receivers that couldn't catch the ball or get separation. This is no reason to suspect that they will regard Wallace as a savior and develop a deep passing game for him, though.

The team will continue to run their variation of WCO. Tannehill will get better and they will find better receivers, utilize the RBs and TEs more in the passing game and work on all the other shortcomings. But the fix is not Wallace and the deep ball. Doesn't fit anything they're trying to do.

Billcale...

who said SAVIOR.....don't try and straw man my argument.....counter what I said....not what you either imagine i wrote.....or what you're views of Wallace may be....

I said COG in a wheel....not #1 WR....I said the #1 WR is going the way of the #1 RB....

how do you get SAVIOR from that....not even close.....

Bill...I can only state my points.....it is up to you to comprehend what is written....

if you're just gonna twist my words....then we have both wasted our time.....

I don't have a Wallace is Jesus complex......I see another piece to the puzzle.....

I hope that clarifies my post for you.....

BTW Bill....

Quite a few other teams ran their offense just fine....with ROOKIE QBs.....or a Rookie staff.....and in one case...BOTH....coupled with w Rookie HC who had Cancer amd had to turn the reins over to an assistant....

So that doesn't fly to me...and it shouldn't with you either....again...Steakum over Mignon.....

You guys think he can't run another route...seriously.....

Kris, one of the biggest knocks on Wallace is his route running. He lacks consistency and doesn't follow through if he's not a primary receiver. WCO is a finesse offense; everybody has to do their job every play or the play breaks down. You're looking for an opportunity to fool and trick the opposition always. A Mike Wallace is not built for that. He has no need to trick anybody- just run by them.

Are you using 9:29 to justify you;re savior comment...."seriously".....

quite a stretch don't you think.....

Reports are KC is dead set to resign Bowe. I would be the most shocked dolfan in our fanbase if Wallace actually chose to sign with Miami, heavily considering he is teamates with Ryan Clark.

Even in Ryan Clark's situation, has anyone considered Joey Porter still had connections with former Pittsburgh teammates? Porter wasnt a very happy camper upon his release from Miami. Food for thought, just saying.

While we argue Wallace's fit in our wr corps, I believe chances are great Wallace wouldnt even consider playing here unless we grossly overpay. The only wr of the lot we have more than a snowball's chance in hell to sign, is easily Greg Jennings.

He's already campaigning hard to get here. Unless that's only a ruse to raise his fa value amongst other potential employers too.

That I agree with YG.....

I posted on here a few weeks back that our biggest obstacle to signing Wallace would be Ryan Clark.....

I still think that is a true statement....

but it also an opportunity for Ireland to prove us wrong....and show that he is a BIG BOY GM now....and he can negotiate this...

Kris, it seems to me that you simply don't like the aspects of a WCO. You are suggesting things that you think Wallace may do here without contemplating how he will fit into the team's system; or how the team will use him; or IF the team can use him.

The WCO has its own method for creating a running game. Mike Wallace's are not figured into it. But Jerry Rice's are. Mike Wallace in Miami is really the case of square peg in round hole.


Wallace is not about to go from Big Ben to TanneBust without at least getting a boatload of money.

billcale,

The wco isnt a certain style of set in stone offense that has the rigidity of steel. WCO offense simply is refering to a "pass heavy" offense.

The wco actually begin with "air Coryell" in San Diego with qb Dan Fouts. San Diego is on the "west coast" you know.

Then Niners under Bill Walsh adopted the practice to make up for a not so strong run game. Guess what? Bill Walsh is a disciple of Don "Air" Coryell.

So you see, in order to have a WCO offense, you only need to be "pass heavy". However, wco offenses do like to have very mobile qb's. If youre going to be a pass heavy offnse, it just may make a little sense to have a qb that can move around in the pass pocket.

It wasnt just Ryan Clark badmouthing the Dolphins. Joey Porter and Channing Crowder both called Ireland a racist and the Dolphins a minor league franchise.

Brady, Manning and Marino were pass happy and couldnt move a lick.

Few of you may realize it, but, uder Do Shula and Dan Marino the Dolphins were a true "wco offense". The wcop was developed out of the neccessity of not being able to run the ball at nfl defenses.

What differs amongst wco teamsis exactly how they choose to run this offense, formations etc...

Guys, I think Mike Walace is perfectly capable of making his own decision without input from Joey Porter and Ryan Clark. He's his own man. There are bout 10-12 million reason why he'll be able to figure it out on his own. Clark and Porter will have very little influence on his decision. This is about Wallace and how he feels playing in Miami for Philbin. Porter and Clark won't influence this.

One other point Kris, there's a lot of validity in what the guys are saying above abot Wallace and his fit in the WCO. Jennings is a much better fit. And are you seriously suggesting that you're going to pay Wallace $10-12 mil a year and then not consider him your number one WR? He becomes that by DEFAULT.

But I think it's all mute....I don't believe he'll be in Miami next year. Just my gut feeling.

Billcale....

I was about to reply...and then saw YG's post to you....pretty much the same thing I was gonna say....

Its about adaptability....not inflexibility....

I believe Philbin actually said @ his introduction press conference that he wasn't sure what the WCO is.....

I believe meaning that changes and wrinkles keep the offense evolving.....so while the offense is still in the league...it AIN'T Bill Walsh's dink and dunk any more....

huh,

Dan Fouts coulndt moe a lick. actually Joe Montana, then Steve Young became the "blueprint" for the type of qb desired to run the wco. Still, whether its Montana/Young or Brady/Manning/Marino, it still doesnt take away from "the fact" that a wco is defined by one that relies on pass more than run.

Still, a defense's ability to stop the run, can also alter how much a team is willing to pass. Although it carries the brand of "WCO".

The truth is most FA are not worth the $ they are looking for, or else they would not be let go, also as we have seen time and time again, once they get paid, the effort tends to die.Our best bet would be trades and the draft and with our GM, who knows

Actually the strategy of most teams in a perfect nfl world. Is to pile the points on you, make you one dimensional offensively, then send their canine pass rushers after your qb.

Beit whether this type of team is proficient at piling points on their opponent through land or air. The goal is always to score as many points as possible, make the opposing offense one dimensional, and come after the qb with a great pass rush.

That's something that will never change in the nfl. No matter what type or "new fad" offense is adopted into the league.

Craig M...

my post about 1As...and 1Bs....is what I am talking about....

we saw a true #1 with Marshall....the problem was everyone else was a 4'5'6....you know...LIKE IRELAND SAID THEY WERE........

I'm saying every receiver (every position for that matter) should be as CLOSE to a i=one as possible....

and I don't know how anybody can argue against that....

A well known local sports personality when asked about Jeff Ireland responded " I was taught that when I dont have anything good to say ...dont say anything". LMAO!

@ 10:30....

that is why I said we need to become like the SKINS offense....average 28 a game....and let the wins and losses sort themselves out...

Living in Northern VA...I was kinda forced to watch a LOT of SKINS games....

once this team realized that they COULD score points with RG3 @ the helm....they're confidence as an offense...and defense shot thru the roof.....they became a team that believed they could win EVERY game.....if they got down by 20...it didn't matter...they knew they were just a big play or two away from being right back in it.....

That is the look I want to see in MY FINS eyes half way thru the season....

So YG,

Are you saying ANY WR can fit into a WR offence? If that's what you're saying, I couldn't disagree more.

There's a lot of validity to what billcale and others are saying in their argument. I don't believe Wallace is the RIGHT fit for this offence. Having said that, I think the offence could be adjusted to fit his game. At the end of the day, I'd be fine with Wallace on the team but Jennings is my first choice. Better choice for what we need to do actually. Kris hit it on the head. The WCO doesn't require a number one guy. If you're paying a guy $12 million a year, he becomes your number one by default.

Nothing wrong with Wallace as a player, I just don't believe he's the clear cut choice as some are trying to make him out to be.

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