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Mayock: Draft offer depth but few 'difference makers'

As you saw in the list of players that have been invited to the coming NFL Combine, there are dozens of juniors and they are responsible for making this draft class deep.

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock agrees that is exactly what teams are likely to see out of this draft: Depth.

"Because of the juniors, we probably have better depth than in last 10 years," Mayock said today on a national conference call.

But ...

While that will create more value for later-round picks -- remember the Dolphins have two picks in the second round and two in the third - Mayock doesn't see stardom at the top of the draft.

"The top 10 picks, I don't see difference makers," Mayock said.

He went on to say that he sees the fifth pick and the 25th pick as having similar talent.

Wouldn't you know it? The Dolphins, a team that has plenty of solid players but few difference makers, are looking for that thing that Mayock says the top of the draft lacks. And with the No. 12 overall selection, the Dolphins are in that area where Mayock says difference makers are not evident.

The Dolphins need help at cornerback, wide receiver, defensive end and tight end. Yes, it would be good to add a pass-rusher to start opposite Cameron  Wake, but Mayock isn't sold on the players most gurus have atop that group.

"I don't think Bjoern Werner or Damontre Moore are top 10 players," he said.

The Dolphins need a running back, you say?

Mayock has only one -- Alabama's Eddie Lacy -- graded for the first round.

Mel Kiper has the Dolphins picking Tennessee wide receiver Cordarelle Patterson in the first round. Mayock likes him, too. He gives him a first-round grade, one of only two wide receivers he gives first-round grades to.

"You put hut him on tape, and he’s going to take your breath away. He’s a special talent," Mayock said. But then Mayock also adds Patterson comes with major upside but major risk as well due to his inexperience.

Mayock likes an offensive lineman for the Dolphins at No. 12. He says he has six offensive tackles with first round grades.

Meanwhile, Mayock said he sees Alabama OG Chance Warmack as the best player he's studied on tape this year.

And the former special teams player and safety called this year's safety class "one of the best safety classes in years."

Mayock only has one cornerback -- Alabama's Dee Milliner -- graded for the first round.

So what does all this mean?

I'd say that if a majority of teams share Mayock's opinion about the top of the round, it will be very difficult for teams at that height to trade down. And it would be easier and less expensive for teams wanting to get up there to trade up.

The lack of cornerback talent high in the draft is also good for pending Dolphins free agent Sean Smith and the multitude of free agent corners about to hit the market.

 

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He also said this draft has depth and though you mentioned we have five picks in the top three rounds you sound like your are complaining. You can't have it all ya know.

ps First!

Oh and to some of those comparing Brian Hartline to Mike Wallace and looking solely at last seasons stats here is the bottom line since you swear by stats. Both have played 4 seasons, Wallace 32 TD's, Hartline 6 TD's. End of story.

Pretty much what I said a week ago or so. Weak draft that's why you have to make bold decisions when the time is right.

Dolfandave....

POST OF THE BLOG @ 1:53....

to simply say a player doesn't fit in a system that he has never been asked to execute is both naive and ignorant....we have no idea if Wallace can or can't run our system.....

we DO KNOW however...that in our system Hartline scored 1 TD....and in the previous system he scored 3.....and before that....2 combined.....

Somebody tell me again how we can even compare the two....

well, the "experts" are pretty diverse in their ranges this year, so that could be a sign that the top tier group really isn't set.
So maybe this is accurate.
BUT... that said, I DO think D. Moore and B. Werner are top 10.
Patterson? Top tier talent, but a bit of a project. Still love to have him on my team. Rather D. Hopkins, but Patterson is in the next best list for sure.

We need a deep threat, that is obvious. There is no comparison, Wallace is the much better player. I like Hartline, he is a better route runner and has better hands but Wallace is much more explosive.

Kris, and Dolphan Dave,
0 Dolphins receivers in the top 40 (haven't looked below that) in TD receptions.

Not saying TD receptions are THE end all, but... better than a soccer score would be preferred.

"Wouldn't you know it? The Dolphins, a team that has plenty of solid players but few difference makers, are looking for that thing that Mayock says the top of the draft lacks. And with the No. 12 overall selection, the Dolphins are in that area where Mayock says difference makers are not evident."

Mando,

Bear in mind that Richard Sherman was a 5th round pick two years ago & is considered one of the best CB's in the NFL. In other words the 'experts' like Mayock don't know sh#t. They tend to hype the same players & Mayock in particular makes annoying & ridiculous comparisons to guys that have had very good or great careers. The newest one??? Dion Jordan has 'Aldon Smith potential.' Come on...I'm sorry but the guy who decided to give Mayock a microphone created a monster. The guy NEVER shuts up!!!

It is a bad draft this year. Ireland's timing sucks again.

Well I am all for keeping Hartline as he does have some favorable traits but at the 6 million per year he wants I would say "Goodbye and Good luck". I would much rather give Wallace the 11 million or so. He will make everyone on the offense better. I don't even know if Hartline would be a No 2 on some teams. He sure wouldn't in Atlanta for example.

If there's a lack of difference-makers in the draft, then that's even more reason for the Dolphins not to go with OL in the 1st round. Which also means that Ireland will. And then I will be a Seahawks fan.

Remember the loss to the Bills where we couldn't get people open. That wouldn't happen if we had Wallace. Or if the Patriots signed Wallace that would be scary. If they signed Hartline, not so scary. No comparison.

dolfandave, dont forget Hartline has never played with a decent QB.

Pretty much what I said a week ago or so. Weak draft that's why you have to make bold decisions when the time is right.

Cocoa,

Not necessarily a 'weak draft' just not loaded with slam dunk prospects. I still think there are a lot of good players in this draft but your scouts better have done their homework & better know what they're doing.

not a lot of slam dunk prospects means you need a good GM to find the few good hidden players...smells like a bad draft with blind Jeff calling the shots

Everything Ireland does turns out wrong. He is so pathetic its comical. LOL He reminds me of Sad Sack or Dennis the Menace.

I'm the Juice!

Monte, I think Tannehill is more than decent but regardless he still can't create separation consistently regardless of who the QB is.

So we pick up a couple of impact players in FA and draft for depth and position. The team should look pretty good next year if Ireland gets it right.

dolfandave,

Tannehiil, the 29th ranked QB in the league is "more then decent"? What planet are you on? The guy was worse then Henne ever was.

Dolfandave.....

I'm not a Hartline hater....


I just think he needs to "KNOW HIS ROLE AND SHUT YOU'RE (his) MOUTH".......

-the ROCK

and his role is hard to determine....

lol.....@ JS...

The Dolphins still stink but I do have good news. CANES AND HEAT BOTH #1 IN HOOPS!! MIAMI IS THE BASKETBALL HOTBED!!

Posted by: Kris | February 18, 2013 at 02:09 PM

We should make both work together. Hartline for the medium routes, Wallace for the deep routes, Bess for the 5-10 yarders. Sounds plausible and possibly all we need. Marshall couldn't run a deep route thus it didn't really help open up Hartline or Bess. If anything Hartline may have helped open some plays up for Marshall. I'm not expecting a 10td season for Hartline if Wallace comes but I would expect more ppg overall and less FGs

Me neither and I never said (or thought) you were at all. There were some who were looking at his stats and actually compared him favorably to Wallace which is a joke. I guess Hartline had a better avg per catch last season like "twirl finger in air" big deal.

His role will be a No 2 at best and less if we sign a FA and draft another high.

more excuses 4 tannehenne on y he'll sux the chrome off of the boat hitch again next season.
lmao

3-13.maybe.
lol

Offer Flacco 20 mill and we'll contend for the SB.

None of the picks in any draft have ever been guaranteed. We just have to pick some productive college players. I'll take Milliner or Banks or Werner or Hopkins etc.

Just please don't be drafting guys that send us scrambling for a computer or iphone so we can figure out who they are. ie Daniel Thomas, Michael Egnew.

The most confusing beat reporter in America again makes no sense. Armondo is losing more and more insight every single year

Kris,

I don't think it's right for you to say 'people who say Wallace can't fit in an certain system are being ignorant and naive'. We're expressing opinions on here just like everyone else. Because it doesn't jive with your belief doesn't make it 'ignorant and naive'.

I just want the Dolphins to win. If that means Wallace plays for the team, then great! I, like a few others guys on here, don't happen to think he's the 'best' fit for us at the position. Doesn't mean I don't like the guy or think he's a good player.

FIRE IRELAND HIRE ARMANDO FOR GM!!!!!!!!!!!

In my medical opinion, Ireland + Weak Draft = The Debacle Lives on!

Right now most teams picking early in day 1 should be considering to trade down. It can be something difficult to achieve. Anyway if we have to pick #12 and we get eiher Wallace or Jennings from UFA, I would draft Keenan Allen in a heartbeat.

Oh! and crazy seahawks will probably go all-out for the honey badger in the first round. It makes more and more sense wth every passing day: he is one of only a few game-changers available this year. You have now been warned.

Craig M for MORON is always ignorant and naive....and STUPIDO!

Yeah I don't get the Wallace and Hartline comparisons. Very different players. Room for both of them, I think.

Incidentally, I disagree with Mayock. I like both Werner a Moore and they are two of the guys I hope we're looking hard at. I think they would be great opposite Wake.

And WNPs, I happen to like Mayock. I don't agree with everything he says but I like the fact that he puts some time and effort into his research. I use it to educate myself, although often I don't necessarily agreee with what he says.

Thanks for the value you add to the blog, Fact. Always of great value!

Despite the fact this team has been building an offensive line for years, they need to address it. Having a deep threat means nothing if Tannehill is sacked before the receiver can run 10 yards.

Dr. Bateswood, LLC ,


Ireland + Any Draft = Total Garbage

We have one of the best OL in the league with a healthy Long.....

I can understand the writers position but in my view for my 1st pick in the draft I would be looking for a player that can start and or play all the downs that I pick him for as my 1st selection.Thats why I still think the Fins should take a pass rushing specialist as their 1st pick if it is not a DE,no problem maybe it will be a linebacker that is a pass rushing specialist.Taking a pass rushing specialist as my 1st pick in the draft IMO that player will have a better chance of being on the field in obvious pass rushing situations opposite Wake compared to if I took a CB or WR as my first pick which would probably be a player that would need more time to start and make solid contributions as a starter.
As far as taking another offensive lineman as the first pick the Dolphins have taken offensive lineman as their 1st 2nd and 3rd round selections many times in the last handful of years,going back to when they took Long as their no 1 pick in the ENTIRE draft.Long is asking for more than he is presently worth,I dont think this happened so much before free-agency, their was more continuity for offensive lineman remaining on their teams for years.I dont think their is as much value taking an offensive lineman as my 1st pick in any draft, especially after the Dolphins have done this over and over for the last handful of years.

Every year certain teams do very well picking up starters and impact players past the first round. Every year certain teams do very poorly drafting supposed impact players and future stars in the top tier of the draft. When all is said and done you have to find a player who fits your system, integrate him into your system, and then execute your system properly.

As a regular poster in this blog.. i need to say that there is nothing wrong with this draft. It is filled with talent on both sides of the ball. just the kind of draft we need having so many draft picks in the first 3 rounds. I don't expect us to go W/R in the first round . I think we go after that position later and pick one up in free agency. Also if K. Mato' from Notre Dame falls to us in the first round, I say grab him!.. not to often you can get such a great M/B'er with such talent and will to win on your team.. it will make dolphin fans eventually forget about Zach Thomas.

Who cares what is said by any analyst at this point! We all know that the whole thing changes after the combine and pro days. Some guys that few know about will rise up and wow everyone with his 40 time or bench numbers. Others will slide with bad numbers or character concerns.

Bottom line, what is said about draft grades and depth means absolute shite at this point in time!

Yes but in regards to Hartline would you rather him or Jennings in 2013. What sounds better Jennings/Wallace or Hatline/Wallace or Hartline/Jennings. Point is Hartline will be asking around what Jennings will be. T-hill already said in an interview that whoever leaves or comes back is fine. His job is to play QB. So I hope they let Hartline walk and nail down Jennings and Wallace before heading into the draft. Thos two with Bess would crush it. lets face it our defense was strong enough last year (with all the "so called" holes) to keep us well within reach of winning games. It was the offense that was inable to out score opposing teams!

There are some deep positions and talent in this draft, especially if your looking for a pass rusher. Mingo, Enziekl and 3 or 4 others may go in round one. I also really like Vacarro from Texas. These DT's and safety could all be game changers. It all comes down to how well we do in Free Agency to see what we need. All else is speculation

bobby,

That's how I see it too. I also like Moore, Jordan, Jones and Werner. Lots of guys to look hard at their too.

The wildcard, I think, is Enziekl. A lof of people are saying they think he's the next JPP. Then again he coould be a bust. Tough call on a guy like that. Is he worth the risk? Don't know.

Depth Draft? WOW!

There are at least 5 wr's in this draft that would be an upgrade to what we presently start at our wr position.

If this is truly a depth draft, then what does that say about our present starters at wr? Like a poster said said: Wallace 32 tds over 4yrs, Hartline 6 tds.

Im sure that Hartliners will find a way to blame it all on our qb's over the last 5yrs. We've gotten very good at defending mediocrity of late.

PLEASE DON'T LISTEN TO NOTHING MAYLOCK SAYS HE KNOWS LESS ABOUT PLAYER TALENT THAN A LOT OF THE BLOGGERS ON THIS BLOG. FOR THE DOLPHINS TO STOP MISSING THE PLAYOFFS AND FINISHING 7-9,7-9,6-10 ETC, THEY MUST SCORE TOUCHDOWNS NOT FIELD GOALS AND TO DO THAT THEY NEED PLAYMAKERS. STOP DRAFTING TO DEVELOP PLAYERS WHEN YOU NEED TO WIN NOW. THE FAN BASE IS LEAVING AND THE SUCCESS OF THE HEAT AND CANE BASKETBALL IS TURNING THIS CITY TO A BASKETBALL TOWN! PLAYERS LIKE WALLACE GIVES THIS TEAM THE DEEP THREAT THAT WILL BRING FANS BACK TO THE STADIUM. RESIGN HARTLINE AND BUSH AND THEN ADD A PLAYER LIKE PATTERSON IN THE DRAFT IF POSSIBLE(PROBABLY WON'T BE) WHO ADDS TO THE TEAM BUT NOT DEPENDED ON TO PRODUCE RIGHT AWAY BUT IS AN UPGRADE THAN A MARLIN MOORE OR OTHER DOLPHIN SCRUB RECEIVER. THE DEFENSIVE END FROM TEXAS A&M IS A BEAST WHO MAKES PLAYS BEHIND THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE AND WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET HIM DO SO. THE CB WILLIAMS FROM THE RAVENS WOULD BE GREAT REPLACEMENT FOR SEAN SMITH AND BIG UPGRADE THAN CARROLL. THE TIME IS NOW TO ADD TALENT WHO CAN PRODUCE NOW NOT LATER.

YG,

I think the article and the comments from Mayock indicate the importance of getting a WR in FA. I think it's completely unrealistic to expect rookie WRs to come in and be significant contributors right off the bat. Understand, I'm not saying don't draft a WR high. I just think we need to diversify. I don't think we can rely SOLELY on the draft, whether it be one or two WRs. Not realistic to expect instant impact.

If the Fins don't sign Wallace and the Patriots do (and believe me they will, they're also missing a deep threat receiver to get them over the hump), that will set the Fins back 3 more years on top of the 5 already there!

Incidentally, interesting to read how many OT's might be franchised this offseason. Here's what I'm reading:

Loadholdt
Volmer
Beatty
Clady
Albert (possibly)
Andre Smith (possibly)
Bushrod (possibly)

Tell me again how 'anyone can play the position'. Tell me again how you don't need good tackles to be successful. Obviously that's just how SOME fans feel. GMs in the league (yeah, the ones who's jobs rely on making the right decisions) obviously disagree.
I could four of the seven that made the playoffs last year. Is that the argument that we want to have?

When looking at free agents vs drafts from our needs perspective, it seems easier to accurately assess an offensive lineman in the draft and a WR in free agency. Think about it. How many 1st rd WR's do we see pan out in comparison to 1st rd offensive lineman? Lineman picked early usually pan out and most often contribute early on. I can name several top ten WR picks that either were bust or took at least 3 years to develop into even a serviceable starter.
Now look at the same thing in regards to free agency. Well established Lineman start to erode after those first few years and injuries have a snowball effect. We have seen this with Groves, Smiley and from the looks of things, Jake Long. It sucks but it is true. However WR's seem to be playing longer and longer while contributing. If it wasn't for attitude problems Ocho, and T.O. could still play and Randy Moss still is. Irving Fryar was productive late for us. Tim Brown, Jerry Rice and Cris Carter also played at a high level for a long time.

The decision is easier than ever with the new rookie wage scale. We need to drop Long and revamp our O-line because its cheaper and a higher probability for success. Save the cash for Free Agents at a skill position that can either score on offense (WR, RB) or create Turnovers for more scoring opportunities (CB or S).

tiredfinfan,

I don't believe there's a chance in Hell the Pats sign Wallace. Not the kind of move they'd make. Tell me the last WR they signed in FA and paid $55-60 million for? Now Jennings, if he comes at a much cheaper price I could see. Yes they need help at the position, if the let Welker walk, plus it would foul things up for us. Maybe on Jennings....no on Wallace for them.

Btw, not sure anyone has mentioned it but the Pats ONLY have five picks in this draft (no 4th and 6th, I believe, for the Haynesworth and Ocho trades). They're still the best team in the division but they have their work cut out for them, with needs in their secondary and at WR.

CraigM,

Reports out of KC are that the Chief will strongly pursue resigning Bowe. Cross him off the fa list now.

Dolfans are throwing Wallace's name around as if he will actually sign here. Short of Grossly overpaying for him, I'll definitely have to see that one to believe it. Even if by miracle Wallace signs here, he isnt a true #1 wr and neither is Hartline.

Jennings? Seems he's campaigning hard to come here. His sister tweets, "he will make the big bucks in Miami". However, I dont see a 30yr old wr making big bucks anywhere.

Still, even if Jennings does sign here, it doesnt automatically cure Hartlines troubles of scoring tds at the #2 wr position. In 2 seasons with Brandon Marshall, Brian Hartline score a grand total of 4 tds.

So even if we sign Jennings, there wont be a #2 wr available in fa that gets the football into the endzone on even a semi-consistent basis. You may7 as well turn to the draft. We already know that Hartline and Bess dont put up great td numbers.

So why should we believe it will happen signing, say and "old" Jennings, when it didnt even happen under Marshall in his prime?

tiredfinfan,

I don't believe there's a chance in Hell the Pats sign Wallace. Not the kind of move they'd make. Tell me the last WR they signed in FA and paid $55-60 million for? Now Jennings, if he comes at a much cheaper price I could see. Yes they need help at the position, if the let Welker walk, plus it would foul things up for us. Maybe on Jennings....no on Wallace for them.

Btw, not sure anyone has mentioned it but the Pats ONLY have five picks in this draft (no 4th and 6th, I believe, for the Haynesworth and Ocho trades). They're still the best team in the division but they have their work cut out for them, with needs in their secondary and at WR.

Posted by: Craig M | February 18, 2013 at 03:54 PM

Agreed. The Pats don't make stupid moves like this. Wallace will want more than he is worth and the Pats don't play that game. It is more likely that they are studying what other teams are looking to get rid of and preparing to turn one teams trash into their treasure. It's worked well for them in the past.

Hello blog..
Say the Dolphins do sign Wallace or Jennings as well as Hartline. They have Bess under contract. Rishard Matthews really seemed to be making progress at the end of the season. Marlon Moore is a restricted free agent, had great abilities as a special teams player. WHY would we need to spend a high pick on the position this year?

CraigM,

I also think ist very realistic to expect a rookie wr to come in and have at least 4 tds recieving in his 1st year. Very realistic.

BTW, you do remember it took Hartline 3yrs to have 3 tds recieving, right? Then, 1yrs later(2012), regressed back to only 1 td recieving when he a chance to "be the men", right?

Now, tell me, realistically you dont expect that a rookie couldnt come in and put up Hartline type td numbers?

Hartline has 6 tds for his 4yr career. I believe at least 3, if not more, rookie wr's from this draft will have at least 6 tds their rookie season alone.

Hartline has 6 tds for his 4yr career. I believe at least 3, if not more, rookie wr's from this draft will have at least 6 tds their rookie season alone.

I highly doubt this YG4E! Hartline's issue stems from an overall problem with poor pass protection and other skill position players' inability to get separation from defenders.

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