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Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12

Me and some of my followers on twitter [Yeah, terrible grammar] got into a bit of a spat Sunday afternoon because I believe NFL teams are best served drafting football players and they apparently are enthralled with the idea of drafting 40-yard dash times.

And so we have a minor disagreement on Tavon Austin, the West Virginia speedster.

Austin is a sprite. He ran a 4.34 official time at the combine Sunday and, I admit, he was a fine playmaker at West Virginia last year.

Austin also came to the combine with his confidence at full throat as he told the media in a press conference "“Pound for pound I am the best all-around player in the NFL Draft."

Well, I don't see the best pound for pound player in the draft as a value as a Top 10 pick, as some fans are suggesting and not even a No. 12 pick where the Dolphins will select in the first round of next April's draft.

Yes, Austin has the stats. (I love guys with the production). Yes, he has the speed. (I love speed). But he's tiny at 5-9 and 178 pounds. (I don't love guys that size at No. 12).

Yes, I would love Austin on my team. Yes, I would take him in the second round.

But in the first? At No. 12?

No thanks.

I don't take guys shorter than some girls I once dated at No. 12. 

Again, I really love Austin as a player but I simply don't see the value in him that high.

Why?

Well, when you measure a player's critical factors one thing you must measure is durability. And I'm not sure a player that smallish who will be asked to go into the teeth of a defense as a slot player will be durable enough to answer the call every Sunday.

And you hence must add that worry to the usual ones about whether he can adjust to your system, and whether he's got the instincts, and can deal with the speed of the game and can handle his business off the field.

Again, that doesn't mean I don't respect Austin's talents. He can be electric on the field. What he did to Oklahoma last year was jaw-dropping.

But there have been other grand talents come into the NFL in small packages and struggle because of their size -- Bob Sanders comes to mind. He was amazing for a couple of years and then the fact he was crashing into men who were bigger and outweighed him by 40 to 100 pounds caught up with him.

You have to find a great balance with talents such as Austin's to make a thoughtful decision on where he should be drafted. Maybe he's going to be a fine player like Darren Sproles. Well, Sproles was drafted in the fourth round.

Maybe he's going to a "matchup nightmare," as NFL Network's Mike Mayock said, playing the slot receiver position. Maybe he's going to be like Wes Welker. Well, Welker went undrafted.

Maybe he'll play forever like another smallish but freakishly fast player -- cornerback Darrell Green -- did for the Washington Redskins years ago. Well, maybe, but Green was drafted at the bottom of the first round, not near the top.

Do you see the point?

If the Dolphins fall in love with Austin I would expect them to show that love after a major trade-down from No. 12. Or maybe with a second round pick.

But even this comes with a warning:

Miami GM Jeff Ireland comes from the general manager school of prototypical players. He was taught by his mentor Bill Parcells to pick prototype players that have the height, weight and look the part of bigtime NFL players. That school of thought leaves little room for dumplings like Austin.

For Ireland to consider Austin in any round would be a departure from what he's been taught.

And even if the Miami GM can loose himself from the bonds of his mentor, in my humble opinion, for Ireland to consider Austin at No. 12 would be a mistake.

 

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Mark...

I would be surprised if ANY GM ook a 5'8 WR in the top 20....

DeAndre hopkins and Justin Hunter ..

Clemson WR DeAndre Hopkins had a sneaky-good Combine. Although he wasn’t the fastest of the bunch, he looked fantastic in the receiving drills. Mayock raved about Hopkins’ game production, and feels the 6’1 WR has serious potential at the next level. The 20-year-old who posted 1,400 yards and 18 TDs in 2012 projects as a 2nd round pick in April. He could help a team that’s thin at the position and land a starting job right out training camp.

Another Tennessee WR who will be cashing in at the draft is Justin Hunter. A 3-year player for the Vols, Hunter posted a solid 4.44 in the 40-yard dash. Unlike Patterson, Hunter can boast multiple productive years at a high level of play. One scout at the Combine even told a reporter that Hunter is “probably the most physically gifted of all the receivers.” Hunter didn’t have a huge highlight year on film, but he has the tools to turn into a reliable pass-catcher in the NFL. He’s another name to watch in an extremely deep WR class.

Posted by: pujo | February 25, 2013 at 11:10 AM
*clap* *clap* *clap*

Gavin Escobar and Denard Robinson ...

Keep an eye on San Diego State TE Gavin Escobar in the coming months. The 6’6 prospect posted 1,323 receiving yards and 13 TDs over his final 2 years in school. Escobar has great size and possesses some serious pass-catching ability. He ranks as one of Mayock’s top 3 at the position. Escobar’s only knock over the weekend was his 40-time of 4.84, which was in the bottom half of his position group. “In my mind I think I’m the best,” he told NFL Network on Saturday. “I think I solidified that I can catch the ball well, and I proved my athleticism out here today.”

** Denard Robinson won’t play QB in the NFL, but it looks like he has the athleticism to make it as a WR and return man. Robinson ran a solid 4.43, 8th-best among a talented bunch of receiving prospects. Mike Mayock thinks Robinson will be an effective slot man at the next level. He may not be an early pick this April, but he has the physical ability to get on the field in the NFL. The former Michigan signal-caller will be a project though, and he won't make an immediate fantasy impact.

Unbelievable crop of ulta-talented diverse DEs this year. The Game-changer probably will come from there.

DD,
Matthieu is expected to be picked late rounds. If he's there, there's not a lot of risk in giving him a try, and great reward if he works out.
*****

Marquis Goodwin is the new combine speed darling, and of course his stock will rise. It certainly doesn't make him a top tier receiver now, but he wasn't the sister-of-the-poor before either. I haven't watched enough of him to give him a grade, but I've seen him a little bit, and he made some good plays at Texas. Hard to say where he fits, but he's not a Clyde Gates - he has played serious WR ball at Texas, and has some legit WR cred. The question is to how much NFL skill will he have in routes and separation against NFL corners who are tough, physical and also fast.
Worth keeping an eye on, but I wouldn't jump on the bandwagon yet.

DD and others,

Thanks for your comments on the Honey Badger. I'll take your advice on him and say pass. I just realize it's a need for us. Thought maybe we could steal him late.

Mark,

Incidentally, Damontre Moore was only able to 12 reps in the bench press. The talk is he needs to have a really good 40 time to stay as a top ten pick. I REALLY like this guy. Hard to pass on him if he's there at 12.

we agree on that...Bush is NOT a feature back....he should NOT get the bulk of the carries....and he does run a bit scared...

I do believe however....that Bush is a SPECIAL TALENT...and should be paid as such....and used as such....

His goal should have been to lead the league in ALL PURPOSE yards...not rushing...and that is the mind set we need him to get into....

If he refuses...then both sides lose imo....

they need to try hard on this one....to make it work....

Posted by: Kris | February 25, 2013 at 11:20 AM

feel like I'm listening to greatness thought I was the only one.

..Dashi..what are you talking about there are no tight ends in this draft? Do you mean no tight ends that we will take at 12, or no tight ends we should bother with at all?

I had some back and forth with Armando on Twitter yesterday about Patterson. He doesn't believe you take this guy at 12. He sees him as a lower pick. I think his argument is that he hasn't done it enough in College and his YPC don't measure up with other guys (he'll correct me if I'm misquoting him). To me (and I think you're saying this too), if you're sold on the guy, you take him at 12. Who cares where he's SUPPOSED to go? I'm not sure he has BIG impact for this team next year but that's why you add a vet in FA and bring this guy along slowly. He's a GREAT talent and we have nobody else on the team who can do what he can right now.

Craig,

I agree with your rationale. If you LOVE him then you take him. Personally--there's NO WAY I'd draft this kid. Too raw & too much of developmental project at WR in the first round. It's not like he has great hands either. Hopkins & Wiliams are MUCH better football players & that's what I want--really good football players.

I believe the Jets will take him or someone else will trade up in the top 10 to get him.

O'darris....

They're a few of us holding out..and hoping this deal gets done...

and those same few....may very well be dissapointed come March 12 if Bush signs elswhere....

JS,

Good win is a guy I've heard Rob in OC touting. Pretty sure Texas mentioned him too. There's not much I can add to the conversation other than I've heard good things about him. Could he still be there in the third?

Craig, if Patterson showed he's the best by a margin then why not take him? He showed he can play? Why does he need to show it for three years? I don't get that...

As far as Rogers, 3rd round, yeah, he'd be a no brianer. Getting both Patterson and Rogers in the same draft?? Wow, that would be nice ...

I'm inclined to agree with mando on Austin.
Like hi on my team, definitely. Not a great fit at 12 at all.
As a matter of fact, he's a question mark receiver period. At WVU his primary job was to take screens, (WR, bubble etc) and try to turn them into big gains by breaking tackles. Can he run regular routes well? Can he battle against physical corners?
Not a lot of film to truly tell. He's an intriguing prospect, but no guarentee he's a good receiver before we even talks his size or weight.

Intriguing, just a lot of questions too.

******
Craig. Damontre Moore is a freaking stud, and he's available we'd be damned lucky.
People didn't think JJ Watt was worth it either. Mmm hmmm, next?

"Clemson WR DeAndre Hopkins had a sneaky-good Combine. Although he wasn’t the fastest of the bunch, he looked fantastic in the receiving drills. Mayock raved about Hopkins’ game production, and feels the 6’1 WR has serious potential at the next level. The 20-year-old who posted 1,400 yards and 18 TDs in 2012 projects as a 2nd round pick in April. He could help a team that’s thin at the position and land a starting job right out training camp."


Mark,

I LOVE this kid. Great hands & he knows how to run routes. Hopkins is a technician & he's going to drive CB's nuts. I'm telling you he's a more athletic Stevie Johnson. Not sure if he'll go late in the first or he'll slip to the 2nd but some team is going to be very happy when training camp starts.

Mando, I wouldn't get too caught up with his size because Tavon's quickness makes him less likely to take a big hit (defenders cant square up with someone whos so quick). DeSean Jackson is the perfect example when disussing Tavon Austin. Jackson weighed in at 169 lbs back at his combine which is lighter than Austin. Both ran around the same speed (Jackson ran a 4.35 sec 40 time at his combine). You can question Jackson's production (inconsistent or whatever) all you want, but you can't really say he isn't durable. He does just fine keeping defenders on their toes.

12 reps!!!!!! GTFOH, that's embarassing - worse than punters. Forget this guy if that's true. I could jsut picture him and J Martin playing x box or whatever kids play these days or hanging out at the mall when they should be working hard!!

WNPs,

It's funny, I've heard a couple of guys say they don't like Williams from Baylor. Some guys love Hopkins while other guys love Patterson. Myself, depending on what's there and what the chances are off trading back, gun to my head, I think Patterson needs to be part of the conversation. Like I said, I don't think he helps much next year but I like this guy a lot down the road.

I think it was you and I who disagreed on Mingo. We all see things differently I guess.

...J.S. He is expected to go late rounds? I'm still not taking him. He doesn't fit on this team. Where do you play him? He isn't going to play saftey, what are we going to move Reshad Jones to Clemmons spot for him? He isn't going play inside at corner..He cannot cover people in college. He is going to magically cover the slot in the NFL?

As far as Corderelle Patterson. We took a chance with our first pick last year. Are we going to make this a trend to take inexperienced talent in the first round? It is a burn ready to happen. I don't watch the combine, it does nothing for me. But I'm sure this guy went off. Does this mean he can play in pads? How many of you have even seen him play? What was his wow moment where you said to yourselves....This is the guy we have to have?

Forgot to add that Austin at the top end of RD 2 sounds about right for him (not for Miami but where I think Austin will go).

For my $, Damontre Moore is the best of all these great, young DEs, but it seems he's fooling around with the weed andstuff...Lookout!

Craig,
Goodwin would've been there at 7 if he didn't run so darned fast this weekend. 3rd? Well, that all depends on the combine knee-jerkers who get overly excited the minute they see athletic potential, and forget about studying game film.
I liek Goodwin fine. Kind of a Robert Woods type guy, but less productive. So if he goes where he SHOULD in my book, he'll be there 3rd.
But the NFL drops their panties when they see a guy run fast. Sooo... not tellin.

Mark, don't hold your breath a Da'Rick. This is where you really need to believe what the team says. NO CHARACTER ISSUES. That means no Marshall (who's a ProBowler), NO Chad Johnson (ProBowler) and NO dude with a rap sheet from college.

That goes for Mathieu too, I don't think Philbin wants 'em (nor will Ireland pick 'em).

Marquis Goodwin is the new combine speed darling, and of course his stock will rise. It certainly doesn't make him a top tier receiver now, but he wasn't the sister-of-the-poor before either. I haven't watched enough of him to give him a grade, but I've seen him a little bit, and he made some good plays at Texas. Hard to say where he fits, but he's not a Clyde Gates - he has played serious WR ball at Texas, and has some legit WR cred. The question is to how much NFL skill will he have in routes and separation against NFL corners who are tough, physical and also fast.
Worth keeping an eye on, but I wouldn't jump on the bandwagon yet.

JS,

Oh please....This is a CLASSIC Al Davis/Raiders draft pick. Speedster first, football player second. Why waste a pick???

DD,

I think this FO has been too conservative in the past. Not taking guys when we had the chance. We saw it with Jimmy Graham, Gronk....there have been others. I still say Tannehill at 8 last year was the RIGHT pick. Not sure how it's all going to turn around but the kid does have good athleticism. We've been too safe for too long. It's why we keep missing out on all the top talent that comes along. There's an awful lot to like about Patterson. There's a lot that goes into the decision but as far as I'm concerned he should be part of the consideration. If we're wrong we just to correct it by grabbing someone else in a coupe of years. Worth the risk IMO.

DD,
Matthieu is the EXACT kind of guy you wannt in nickel and dime formations. A bell hawk with exception skill to ruin QB days with interceptions, and ripping balls away etc. He's listed as a corner for the NFL, but If he can't play corner, then he'll be passing down DB especial.
And since the NFL offenses tend to run a lot of hurry up primary-passing formations - I can see him helping in that regard. Hawking Brady's passes, and pissing off Belichik... brings a smile.
But early rounds? No, not for a nickel/dime specialist.

Kris,

Agreed.

Reggie Is A Special Talent! And Deserves To Get 10-15 Touches A Game!!

Totally Agree!! Bush Should Worry About All Purpose And Not Rushing Yards! Reggie Is More of An Athlete Than A RB!! Reggie Can Easily Gain 2000 Yds All Purpose!! 1000 Return Yds! 500 Rushing 500 Receiving!! But Reggie Swears He Is A RB!!

Would Love For Reggie And L.Miller To Split Carries! With L.Miller Getting The Bulk Of The Carries! And The Short Yardage Plays!! And Reggie Being More Of The 3rd Down Back! Sort Of Like How The Chargers Use To Do With LT and Sproles!!

Playmakers,
I'm not advocating picking Goodwin. If anything I'm saying be cautious. He'll be garnering more hype than he deserves very shortly. Just trying to make real sense of him.
He's worth keeping an eye on and getting a better look at.
He wasn't worth a top pick, or even close before he ran a good 40, so no need to forget his production in actual games.
He's a shoulder shrug right now that has more than they thought. Hopefully that's what Ireland will see, and not a diamond in the rough that deserves a 3rd round grab.
But late rounds? Why not?

As far as Corderelle Patterson. We took a chance with our first pick last year. Are we going to make this a trend to take inexperienced talent in the first round? It is a burn ready to happen. I don't watch the combine, it does nothing for me. But I'm sure this guy went off. Does this mean he can play in pads? How many of you have even seen him play? What was his wow moment where you said to yourselves....This is the guy we have to have?

Daryl,

Bear in mind that we also had Tannehill's coach as our OC who knew the kid better than anyone else. Plus Tannehill was a LOT more ready than the so-called 'experts' thought. Much bigger risk taking Patterson who we don't know from a hole in the wall. All I know is that Patterson dropped a bunch of passes in the drills yesterday & that's a concern.

...Craig M.. I'm not against Patterson. I'm just saying that is he that outstanding that he is worthy of a number 12 pick? I know the pundits have praised his ability. But from what? How much information are they gathering this from? How many games did he play where it is obvious this guy is a top 15 talent?

I know we don't ultimetly make these choices. It isn't up to us, we just squwak about it. So it really doesn't matter if we are familiar with him, or just throwing our support behind him because the rest of football world says he is the guy. I just couldn't tell you one thing about him, I haven't heard anything here from a blogger that isn't something I could find off the internet...I just don't know enough about him to say that I would support the pick at 12...

Not that it matters.

Brian Hartline signed for a 5 year, $29 Million with $9 Million Guaranteed.
Mike Wallace in Free Agency for 5 years, $50 Million.

#12 2013 Draft --- Tyler Eifert first choice, Cordarrelle Paterson 2nd choice. This now solidifies our receiving corp for our young QB Ryan Tannehill. He has a WR he has proven to be comfortable with (Hartline = 70+ cataches). He has a TE to pair with Fasano, assuming Fasano resigns with Fins. Tyler Eifert is going to MOVE THE CHAINS A LOT in the NFL for some club. I hope like heck it is with Miami!!!!! Then lastly, Tannehill has a deep threat to go along with his TEs, possession receiver and between the tackle guy in Daniel Thomas.

Yes, I said Daniel Thomas. I have not given up on him yet, and think that he will have a couple of healthy seasons and if he does not turn the ball over (fumbles do scare me a bit with Thomas), then we have that thumper that Reggie Bush will never be between the tackles!!!

And then there's Marcus Wheaton, 4.30s and runs great routes, unlike many receivers yesterday at the combine. I just can't see him as a Megatron game changer.

Oscar, 12 reps is a major red flag. MAJOR! It indicates at least the worst of all traits when competing at the highest level - he doesn't work hard - at all!!

After that bench, I'd take him right off my draft board. This is a guy you want facing monster tackles in the NFL - forget it.

Playmakers,
I watched a lot of Patterson, and he's pretty darned good. Before the combine happened he was #2 for me.

A little raw, he's just not had enough time in a serious offense to be a polished pro. But he has done in games what they say he can do, and has done so enough that I've seen to say he's for real.
But Is he 1st round? Probably shouldn't be, but neither was Tannehill. Somebody probably will take him 1st round. The tlanet pool is shrinking a little after the 40, so I expect him to still be standing as part of the top tier group expected to go top round.

I'd love him on my team. Just not sure I'd prefer him over certain other players (not WRs) should they be there instead.

Ah well, can't tell my opinions to Ireland because my hot-line connection to the Dolphin warroom is broken. The AT&T guy said I never had one, but I don't believe him. Conspiracy.

Dashi....

totally AGREE @ 11:54....

Weed makes you weak, Mark.jejeje

Oscar,
with ya. I got an earful about Wheaton from several fans on this forum, and regardless of his stats, I'm just not impressed. Kinda like kissing your sister, there's nothing really there to be excited about.

But I have zero reason NOT to like him. Just don't see anything special. I'll probably get proven wrong with him, but I'll go with my gut anyhow.

Playmakers,
I'm not advocating picking Goodwin. If anything I'm saying be cautious. He'll be garnering more hype than he deserves very shortly. Just trying to make real sense of him.
He's worth keeping an eye on and getting a better look at.
He wasn't worth a top pick, or even close before he ran a good 40, so no need to forget his production in actual games.
He's a shoulder shrug right now that has more than they thought. Hopefully that's what Ireland will see, and not a diamond in the rough that deserves a 3rd round grab.
But late rounds? Why not?

JS,

B/c he's a track star & not a good football player. If the draft has taught people anything you can still find VERY GOOD football players in the later rounds. When you have guys like Richard Sherman or Reshad Jones still on the board in the 5th round (& it happens EVERY year) then why waste the pick???

Rishard Matthews had 91 catches for 1364 & 8 TD's in 2011 & he was a 7th round pick. IMO--that's a good draft pick.

...JS...You can have him in round 6,7. I just may see him different then you. You understand that the reason he was a ballhawk in college was less about his ability then his ability to play with no boundaries. He was able to do so because he had superior talent around him. When he was asked to be responsible for himself, when he was asked to cover with no help...He couldn't do it.

So it just doesn't equate to the NFL. You think he will be able to play with the same freedom here???? No way. It doesn't work like that. We do not have the horses to allow for this. So again. We have Jimmy Wilson that can't cover in the slot. Matthieu is the same guy, just smaller. We get worse on defense not better.

You have to forget what he did in college. It does not apply to the NFL, if it did he would be talked about as a first round pick..Even with the mota issues.

Mark, best RbIn The Draft! At The Combine! Is Mike James! Followed by the Kid from Arkansas!

Mike James is L.Millers Running Mate! And Is A great Power Back!

And The Kid From Arkansas Can Fly!!

Mark,
Damontres reps are a legit concern for sure.
However, watching this guy play, he toasted very good tackles in college on his superior moves, and his high motor. He does not give up on plays, and his positioning and insticts for where to be are excellent.
When he was not beating his man, he was still close to the play.
I'll take him in less than a heartbeat. Sorry, but the skills he has you can't get in a weight room.
But an NFL strength trainer CAN get him stronger.

It's good enough for me.

Best RB at the combine

This former shot-putter, Margus Hunt, looks like some kind of active Beast, more than JPP was at his time.

Craig M,

I agree, and I personally would take Eifert at #12. This of course assuming Ireland gets either Jennings or Wallace in Free Agency. I see no reason why one of those WRs are not in Miami ealry on in Free Agency, given our Cap $$$ available.
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If we try and get greedy and trade back to get Eifert later in the 20s, HE WILL BE GONE!!!!!!!!!!!

..Dashi..Yeah but can they pass protect?? I'll take Jon Franklin over both of them. Better all around back. Catches the ball, and won't get your quarterback killed.

I don't remember where I read the stats. It might have been from Ben Volin. But Dolphin running backs were second worse in the NFL at protecting the passer. That is unacceptable, and of ourse one reason Miller never saw much action. Bush suprises me, because I thought he was pretty good at pass pro. Not according to the breakdown.

But Is he 1st round? Probably shouldn't be, but neither was Tannehill. Somebody probably will take him 1st round. The tlanet pool is shrinking a little after the 40, so I expect him to still be standing as part of the top tier group expected to go top round.

JS,

I disagree about Tannehill. The experts who said he needed to sit a year or two & develop were obviously wrong. What Tannehill really needs are better players around him. Now taking Weeden who is 29 years old in the first??? That was a stretch. However he got screwed as well by getting drafted by a bad team.

Does anyone know that Steve Young played in TB??? Does anyone really think he'd win a SB or be in the HOF if Bill Walsh didn't trade to get him in SF??? QB's need help around them or they'll get eaten up in the NFL. Phil Simms used to get killed & was hated in NY before they built a team around him. Same with Terry Bradshaw.

There might be some exciting O Players after the 1st Rd afterall, because, as sure as there is 02 in the atmosphere, there will be a great run of Dlinemen first in this Draft.

Guys, if there were no questions about Patterson there's not a chance he'd even be there at 12. DD, what scount like about this guy is his athletic ability. He has good speed and he can go up and get the ball. Do we have anyone like that on the team right now? Not that I can think of. Is there enough evidence there to make him a slam dunk? I don't think there is. But there's questions on all of these guys. Exceptions might be Warmack and the top tackle. I don't believe it's a particularly strong draft, or maybe what I should say is, it's not clear that it's a particularly strong draft. I don't see any 'can't misses' there for us at 12. Even if Milliner is still there, I believe he comes with question marks too. So with us having gaping holes at the position, I believe Patterson should be part of the discussion. If he doesn't work out then we need to re-evaluate the position in 2-3 years. But we need to start getting some playmakers at the position, rather than 'safe' picks. I like this better than doling out $50-60 mil contracts at the position.

DD,
Obviously not a Matthieu fan.
Might be a bust. Has legit problems with keeping clean.
But he IS an instinctual terrorizer in the defensive backfield. Can't teach it.
And he has legit concerns with size etc. too.
However, that said, he was still considered top tier talent to go to the NFL before he got kicked off them team.
So, you just are hoping he doesn't usrup another players place in a position of need? Sure, I undersatnd and agree. But once you get into round, you're just looking for a lucky break fo any kind.
All I'm saying is that I'd like the guy on my team, and he would have a role to play, just doubtful as a standard corner or safety. But people do forget how un-standard defenses become around primary-throwing teams like the Patriots, and how we have 5 or 6 DBs on our backfield at a time - playing zone, and looking to do exactly what Matthieu excels at.

So, once again to clarify, he's not on my list to go 1-4. But I'm taking chances starting round 5-6 and I like guys who have his kind of skills on my team. He's a little terrorist that can turn the tide in a close game, or give you a sudden break. Why the heck not give him a shot if he's not costly?

If Miller is to dumb to block the guy that crosses his face...then HOUSTON...we got a problem....

and Daryl...I thought Bush was pretty good as well in pass protection...

and not just cause it makes y argument...I honestly thought he was pretty good @ piacking upp the free man....

If you saw Cordarelle in that pass-catching drill yesterday, DD, you could see that hes not smooth, fluid as he can be. Nothing that he cannot modify with training, but not this year.

Jesse,

I'd be happy with either Eiffert or Ertz. Ideal for me would be if we could trade back to 18-20 range and still get one of those guys. I don't believe they will both be gone by 20. We need to upgrade the position and Egnew is a big question mark right now.

WNPs,

What a messed up organization Cleveland is. They commit to Weedon last year in the first and then this year there's all this talk of trading him or replacing him. They are the classic 'how not to do things'. Will it be better under Lombardi? Doubtful. But they have a lot of money to spend in FA, and I fully expect they will go heavy on Jennings and Wallace and maybe even Welker and Hartline. They need to get Weedon help. They drafted him. They need to commit to helping him get better now.

Only requisite to block a blitzing Monster is a willingness to be crushed.

Playmakers,
I don' think there's anything obvious at all about Tannehill's worth or standing. He's still very much a WIP, and will remain a questionmark until he starts becoming the consistent top tier guy that we all hope he can be.
Showed some good ability, did some good things, showed some lack of maturity too, and did some bad things. Nothing "obvious" in him yet other than he has talent.
But he's a long way from making the "experts" "obviously wrong".

..JS..LOL @ little terrorist. That made me laugh. I get your point, I do. I think we can disagree. `

Kris..I thought onr of Bush' strengths was pass pro. For the life of me i can't find the article that said otherwise. I'll keep looking, I'm not just making it up to make a point. It was clear that Miller was theat bad, even Thomas had some moments of WTF.

Falling back into the drivel, now.

JS,

Jimmy Wilson was a risky pick in the 7th round. Seems to have worked out OK. You've convinced me on the Honey Badger. I could be talked into him 5th round on perhaps. Not sure it'll happen with Philbin as HC but I think in the right role he'd be worth a late pick.

Craig - As to Goodwin I have only mentioned him regarding the forty time and that he might break the record. I thought Wheaton would be closer than he was as well.

BUT Goodwin will be there early in the third but I have a feeling some team that can afford luxury more than the Dolphins will take him mid to late 3rd.

For the folks worried about the Dolphins grabbing Patterson I am starting to doubt he'll be there at 12. Some ex-GM's and coaches have him as early as 6 but also at 8 and 9. Casserly has him at 8, Tannenbaum and Pioli have him at 9 and Billick has him going 6th.

That is why I say earlier that it is more likely that we get Allen, Ansah or Lane Johnson. Mingo might be a consideration if he's there but I feel he'll go earlier as well. Moore DE will slip out of the top 10 along with Werner and I would pass at 12 for both. Solid but not playmakers.

AND Mark in Toronto - Jordan will be long gone before 12.

As with any of my post this is just my humble fan opinion.

Will You Fire Ireland If He Drafted A 5'8" Wr With The #12 Pick? Dashi Will!! I Only Know 1 Person Who Thinks A 5'8" Wr Should Be A High Pick! Not Saying Any Names!

First Rd Picks! Should Be The Safest Pick At His Position!! The Prototype Of The Position!

DD,

Will You Fire Ireland If He Drafted One Of These TE's With The #12 Pick? Dashi Will! Looking At The TE's In This Draft! None Of Them Seem Valuable! They All Look Average! I Would Actually Go After D.Keller! Or J.Finley! When They Become Available!!

Sign 1 Veteran WR! 1 Veteran TE! And Draft 2 WR's! High!!

Greenbay South

Jennings
Bess
2 Rookie Wr's (R.Woods, R.Swope)
Matthews

Finley, Egnew, Clay

Northeastern Dolphin

Wallace
Bess
2 Rookie Wr's (C.Patterson, T.Austin)
Matthews

Keller, Egnew, Clay

Either Or!! Make It Happen Ireland!!

Oh, Yeah! And Franchise Jake!

Texas,

Some good insight. Thanks man.

I think you're wrong about Jordan. I think the fact he's going to be out 3-4 months with the shoulder injury will cause teams to proceed with caution. I like this guy a lot. I don't believe he's going to have huge impact this year but I see him as being a stud down the road. Maybe he starts helping next year, maybe in two years. Mingo scares the Hell out of me. I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole. I don't see anything special in him to be honest.

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