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Reggie Bush to Lions a possibility

Last week the Dolphins reached out to Reggie Bush about contract talks for the first time -- including the 2012 season -- but while both parties were talking, they both might have been glancing at other possibilities as well.

You know the Dolphins have options what with free agency, the draft, and, of course, the fact Lamar Miller, Daniel Thomas, Marcus Thigpen and Jonas Gray are still on the team. And Miller is a favorite of the personnel department.

But Bush apparently has options as well.

According to the Detroit Free Press, the Lions have interest in Bush as a potential free agent and that interest is "real."

The report acknowledges that Bush will be looking to at least match his 2012 salary or be close to it -- in the $5 million range. But that might not be an issue because the team's stated philosophy is, according to the paper, surrounding quarterback Matthew Stafford with talent.

"... the Lions' M.O. in recent years has been to try to surround Matthew Stafford with as much talent as possible (drafting Jahvid Best, Titus Young, Mikel Leshoure, Riley Reiff and Ryan Broyles, etc.), and that's not about to change."

I don't want to be a smartaleck, but check that list again. Seems to me the Lions philosophy has actually been to add as many weapons that don't actually contribute all that much.

Bush, meanwhile, may have other suitors as well, I'm told.

He'd like to play in New York so that opens a couple of avenues. He'd like to play for a winner, which might include the Falcons in the mix.

But at $5 million a year? His agent Joel Segal is a genius if he gets it.

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dusty,

I don;t like the trade for KC either. Too much for a guy that's not great. Having said that, Reid got his guy and I'm not sure how great a player they're going to give up in the second round. Gotta have a QB in this league and obviously Reid felt this was the guy to get. The talk I've heard is that it could trun into a second next year too. Scary!

smith wont be near as good in kc. they have to resign or franchise bowe now, zero weapons in passing game without him

DD, Sportrac.com (love that site also) has CJ as a base of 5 and total cap of 12.2 for 2013. Dusty was right. And personally I don't care about base salaries because that is manipulated. Look at total cap hit. That's what matters.

And you threw me off yesterday with the soccer match. CR7 ripped Barce a new one. Loved watching that since Barce and Messi fans love to dump on my "countryman" at every turn. Take that!!!

craig reid actually got his 2nd guy, his first choice and same offer went to eagles for foles

Common Sense,

One thing's for sure, his OL in KC won't be nearly as good as the one he had in SF. It'll make a huge difference.

dusty,

Not sure where they are capwise now but I think they'll try hard to cut some salary and franchise Bowe now.

Posted by: Craig M | February 27, 2013 at 01:07 PM

Moore going to Frisco makes even ess sense than Hartline going to the Pats.

Moore wants a chance to become a starter. So wth would he want to go to Frisco where he has even less chances of beating out Kaepernick?

Geesh CraigM, youre batting 1000 today, but hitting from the wrong side of the fence. LOL....

Randy Moss Is Considered One Of The Smartest Wr's Of All Time.

I Knew That One Was Coming.

Randy Moss Is The Most Gifted Wr Of All Time.

Jerry Is The G.O.A.T.

But Nobody Has Ever Had More God Given Ability Than Randy.

While On The Subject. YG, Only 1 God™ Here. Please, Let's Not Insult Him.

Great point Dashi. Remember the beginning of the season when all the Moore fans were going crazy because he wasn't starting? The Chiefs didn't even consider him and they were looking for a starter. I still don't believe any team will give him a fair shot at starting. Everyone knows he has hit his ceiling and isn't going to put a team on his back.

they have 15 or so mill under cap plenty of room for players. cut jackson and cassel more room

disagree dashi, calvin johnson has the most ever God given

YG,

So because you don't like it, that means it won't happen, right? Where is that written?

Yeah your stalker guy on here is right:

You were wrong on Sparano, you were wrong on Stanzi, you were wrong T'eo. How many more times will you be wrong? You ever consider getting a job as a weatherman?

if moore wants to start his only decent choices would be zona, titans

My best guess is that Moore will be offered backup money here, probably a lowball offer, because the team will go with the cheaper option Devlin.

You build a team player by player, year after year building on your strengths. you don't toss out good players every year and start from scratch. you need consistency and show other current and future players that if you produce, work well with others and lead, you get respect and a home.

bush is a proven talent but only one of many players. a team wins games, not a player. concentrate on our real needs since you dont have to worry about the rb position with bush. keep building with him as one of the bricks. he is not the best but draft picks are a gamble, always have been and the dolphins have been unlucky or untalented at it.

So YG (yeah you're on a roll today),

Please tell me what team you think Moore will start for next year, cause I don't see it. Tell me, smart guy.

And dusty,

I don't believe they can just outright cut Jackson. I think they'd have a cap hit of something like $8 mil if they were to do that. Cassel's is something like $4-5 mil. Pioli sure made a mess of that team.

What Is Calvin Johnson? A 9 Route Guy? It Is Just Guys Like Randy And CJ Get Type casted. Randy Can Run All The Routes.

The Only Knock On Moss Is That He Doesn't Like The Middle. (Name 1 Wr That Does) and That He Plays When He Wants To.

2nd All time In TD Catches. You Don't Just Do That Running 9 Routes.

Who Has Better Hands? Wallace Or Moss?

Who Jumps Higher?

Who Runs Faster?

Moss Is The Prototype!!

Wallace Only Runs 9 Routes!!

Posted by: Craig M | February 27, 2013 at 01:31 PM

Where is it written whatever happens in CraigM's head is law of the universe and is indisputable?

Mark @ 12:59. Justin Hunter with our 1st pick of the 2nd round would be an absolute gift. You're right, he crushed the combine and didn't even take part in three main drills. Might have shown more if he did. HUnter, Rogers, and Wheaton all have 2nd round grades. Please give me one of them. All explosive players.

The most overrated WR, Robert Woods. he will be the next USC stiff. he got crushed at the combine ... showed nothing ...

cassel basically has no cap hit. jackson would be a 2.75 cap hit but they are wanting him to restructure.

dusty,

The Titans aren't going to start Moore over Locker. They haven't seen enough of him yet to simply hand the reins over to Moore. Locker gets at least the first half of next year to show what he's got. Is Moore better than Hasselbeck at this point? Yes I think he is. But no way does Moore start out of the gate.

I believe Crads are going to go with Gino Smith or Barkley are their QB next year. Do they start right away? Don't know. So possibility Moore goes there and possibility he starts the year. Probably his best option to start really.

Hey YG,

Come up with your own line would ya.....that's my line to you.

dusty,

Where are you getting those cap numbers for the KC guys? That's not what I've read.

YG I'm not sure about Lloyd being better than Hartline. In Lloyd's 4th season he caught 23 passes for 365 yd, and 0 TD's. Lloyd has only had one 1000 yard season, and his yards per catch are the less than Hartline, 14.6 to 15. In his 10 seasons he has only had one season in which he's caught more passes than Harline did last year, and only one season in which he surpassed Hartline's yards from last season. Through his 1st 4 seasons Hartline had had a far more superior career than Lloyd did through his 1st 4 seasons. And it really won't take much for Hartline to have a much better career than Lloyd. Loyd has only caught 70 passes twice. Has had 4 seasons in which he causght zero TD's, has had seasons after his 1st 4 that he caught 19, 8, and 2 passes. Grant 2 were because of injury. But Lloyd has had less than a stellar career.

Phins78,

Do I remember?

Dashi Still Has Nightmares From The Constant Ignorance.

Matt Moore Is The Starter!! BS!!

That Lasted Til Week 4! Then T-Hill Gets Hurt Against The Jets!! and The Clown Started Back Up Again.

Same Clown Who Kept Saying Barkley Should Be Our Qb.

I'm Going To Start A New One This Season.

L.Miller Is The Starter!!

craig read about the titans, they have fallen out of love with locker so he can be yanked quickly, right or wrong. i agree on cards taking barkley with 7th pick

Matt Barkley=Jimmy Clausen 2.0

dusty,

Not buying it on Locker. He hasn't been given nearly enough time. He gets at least half a year to show his worth.

NeMo, I like Crodarelle but you're right. When comparing him to the three 2nd round guys (Wheaton, Rogers, and Hunter) I probably go elsewhere at #12. I like those three guys a lot - I'd take any. Then give me another later round guy like Swope, Boyce, or Stedman Bailey and that's a nice haul.

Craig I don't think either camp would have interest in eachother. Smith was traded not only to save money but also because the 9ers know they are going to run the option as much as possible. That means their backup should be at least a little mobile in case Kap goes down. You can't change the game plan midseason or mid game and expect much success. They will be drafting and signing players that will help the option run smoothly. Moore is a pocket passer and they can't waste time in training camp and practices preparing the team for the possibility they may have to change gears in season.

And I don't believe Moore wants to go there because he wants to start and has no shot to do that in SF. He has a better chance getting playing time in Miami imo.

i agree craig on locker, just saying what i read. kc cap numbers well been on radio non stop all day today with this alex smith stuff going on. mixed reaction here, id say 60 percent of fans calling in are pissed, other 40 seemed pumped up

Mark,

I'm Sorry. What Combine Were You Watching?

R.Woods Was The Best Wr At The Combine. Smooth, Great Hands, Ran Great Routes. Plus, He Is Faster Than Anyone Had In Mind. To Me R.Woods Would Be A Great Pick In The 2nd Round.

R.Woods Is Statistically The Best Wr In USC History! Playing With 1 Of The Worst Qb's In USC History.

Patterson Is The Most Physically Gifted Athlete In This Draft. But As Far As Wr's. Woods Is Actually A Better Wr.

Better Said, R.Woods Is The Most Polished Wr In This Draft.

dusty,

Funny to read some of the comments coming out of KC. They're all about adding a 'major piece on the OL' or grabbing Finley in FA. Where the Hell are they getting the money to sign these guys? I just don't get it. If they allot $11 mil to Bowe, which I think they will, then what? They're done, no?

"... the Lions' M.O. in recent years has been to try to surround Matthew Stafford with as much talent as possible (drafting Jahvid Best, Titus Young, Mikel Leshoure, Riley Reiff and Ryan Broyles, etc.), and that's not about to change."

I don't want to be a smartaleck, but check that list again. Seems to me the Lions philosophy has actually been to add as many weapons that don't actually contribute all that much.

Mando,

Would you agree that it's probably a little early to write off Leshoure & Reiff...Their offense is in MUCH better shape than a lot of other teams.

They have a very good young QB, they have the best WR in football, & they have a pretty good TE in Pettigrew. If they find a running back to go with Leshoure & another WR--they're going to score 35 points a game.

no craig restructure or some cuts will give them some solid money. also on radio today said if they franchise bowe and let alberts walk they will go for long,lol

dusty,

I even read some people suggesting they should go after Steven Jackson. Funny stuff....no wonder they are dead last in the league. They would pay a RB $5-7 million a year, when they gave Jamaal Charles on the team? At what point do they stop making dumb decisions and start beefing up their lines.

I think KC, was my second favourite team as a kid. They've been a bit of a joke for a long time now. The Alex Smith move does nothing but plug another hole. I think they would have been smarter to have signed Moore in FA, to be honest.

Dusty,

Agreed. Calvin Is The Most Athletic Ever. But He Is Still Playing And Hasn't Reached The All Time Numbers Randy Or Jerry Has Reached. My Standards Doesn't Allow Me To Rate CJ Over Randy. Just Yet.

But Agreed. When It Is All Said And Done. Calvin Will Surpass Randy As The Most Athletic Wr Of All Time. Randy Might Be A Little Faster, and Jump A Little Higher. But Calvin Is The Most Complete Wr Dashi Has Ever Seen.

been smarter to actually draft and develop a qb finally

I would say the Cards are the safer bet for Moore. But then again the NFL is trending toward starting rookie qbs to get them up to.speed quicker. The game isn't too big for the college guys now so chances are Moore is the back up there as well.

Unless someone offers Moore a raise (over the Phins offer) to be a back up OR offers him a starting job I see no reason why he would leave Miami.

Now that KC has their guy I don't think there are any teams that will sign him to start. That leaves him with backup options. I'm wondering which teams( that run a traditional passing offense need a decent backup qb).

I don;t like the trade for KC either. Too much for a guy that's not great. Having said that, Reid got his guy and I'm not sure how great a player they're going to give up in the second round. Gotta have a QB in this league and obviously Reid felt this was the guy to get. The talk I've heard is that it could trun into a second next year too. Scary!

Craig,

Scary??? Are you serious??? The one thing you can't take away from Andy Reid is that he KNOWS QB's as well if not better than any HC in football. Alex Smith is not Kevin Kolb or Matt Flynn. He's a tough kid & he played well enough to take SF to the NFC championship game last year. He might not have great arm strength but he's EXTREMELY accurate & doesn't make a lot of mistakes. You can win with a guy like a Smith. Like Chad Pennington before his arm surgeries.

In addition Smith is going to have some help. He'll have Jamal Charles to hand the ball off to, most likey Bowe to throw the ball to, & either Joeckel or Fisher protecting his left side.

moore coukld go to rams, bradofrd always hurt

Dashi, you're high. Woods is the product of a big school and there is nothing special in his skill set to seperate himself. At best, he becomes a 4th WR on a team. I wouldn't take him with any pick in the first 5 rounds.

reid wanted foles before smith, eagles wouldnt give him up

Just read a mock that had us taking:

1) X. Rhodes
2A) Eiffert
2B) Justin Hunter
3A) Jordan Mills, RT
3B) Kenny Stills WR
4) Johnathan Franklin RB
5) Zeke Motta FS
7A) Terrence Brown CB
7B) Tommy Bohanon FB


Thoughts? I'm not too familiar with this guys from the 5th round on but I'd say I'd be pretty happy with something like this.

no chance hunters there that late in 2nd rd

Locker Has A lot Of Potential. R.Wilson Type Potential.

But Locker Is Even More Inconsistent Than Chad Henne. Since College.

I Can Even See Moore Playing In The Division. He Will Be The 3rd Best Qb In The Division. Moore Sucks!! But He Is Better Than Sanchez Or Fitz.

I Can See About 5 Teams That Can Use Moore As A Starter.

Jags
Jets
Browns
Cards
Bills

And Devlin Is Not Only Cheaper! But A Better Prospect Than M&M!! Just Ask Philbin. Or Ireland!! Who Has Picked Both Of Them As A UDFA!! Devlin Is Super smart. Makes Quick Decisions. And Is Accurate With The Ball!!

Why in the world would KC give up such a high pick and all that money for Smith? They would've been better off stinking it up this year and positioning themselves for the 2014 draft. We know what Alex Smith is and it's nothign to write home about. And who exactly were they bargaining against to throw away such a high pick? I don't know if anyone else was breaking down Frisco's door for Alex.

Craig, if we got that draft, I'd explode in my pants. However, like Dusty says, Hunter doesn't stick around (but if you sub that with Rogers or Wheaton, we're good). And instead of Stills, who's OK i guess, I'd rather take Swope at that pick or Boyce a round or so later.

WNPs,

My point was the trade for Smith could turn into TWO second round picks. That's a lot to give up for the guy. This isn't the SF 49ers he's going to. This is the KC Chiefs. They have a LOT of holes. The OL in KC is nothing like what he's had in SF, despite the fact they are about to add a tackle.

Honestly, I don't rate this guy much better than Cassell. Yeah, I'm being serious here. Take a look at their CAREER numbers....they're almost identical. And Smith has had the luxury of playing with that team in SF for the last couple of years. I think you need to go back and look at him before Harbaugh got there. I'm saying rather than trade two picks for Smith and give him all that money, they would have been better to have signed Moore in FA. KC fans aren't liking this move....I wonder why.

"I don't believe they can just outright cut Jackson. I think they'd have a cap hit of something like $8 mil if they were to do that. Cassel's is something like $4-5 mil. Pioli sure made a mess of that team."

Pioli made a mess of that team??? Sure Pioli missed big on Jackson & the trade for Cassel didn't work BUT he also drafted Jamaal Charles, Dwayne Bowe, Tamba Hali, Brandon Flowers, Chris Carr, Brandon Albert, & Eric Berry.

If Pioli made a 'mess' then wtf did Ireland do in Miami??? At least there's young talent there.

Mark,

We All See Things Differently. To Me The Guy That Was The Cleanest Thru All His Drills Was R.Woods. Footwork And Hands.

He Was Already A 2nd Rounder. With People Thinking He Will Run A 4.5!

After The Combine. Woods Is In That 3rd-4th Wr In The Draft.

Only The 6'3" 200+lb Guys That Run A 4.4 Or Faster!! Are Rated Higher.

Would Rather Draft Woods!! Instead Of Swope or T.Austin. Swope Is A Body Catcher and Austin Is 5'8" With Shaky Route running.

Craig,that mock draft looks really good imo. I'm gonna be shootin loads if my boy Hunter gets drafted by us lol.

"KC fans aren't liking this move....I wonder why."

Craig,

I guess if the fans don't like it then it's not a good trade??? If Andy Reid thought he could plug Cassel into his system he would have. Reid knows QB's & I expect Smith to play well. I wouldn't be all that surprised to see KC be competitive before we are.

I have to agree with Dashi on Woods. He will be a solid pro for a long time!

I still contend that this is a very good O-line draft, the best in years. All 3 top guys are an instant upgrade to Long, especially in our zone scheme.

Give up such a high pick for Alex Smith? Here's why:

But when Harbaugh became coach, Smith blossomed. He was among the league leaders in passer rating (104.1) with a 70.2 completion percentage when he was injured in a 24-24 tie against St. Louis.

We used a damn 2nd rd pick on Chad Henne. I would take Smith over Hanne any day. Hell, if Niners corner doesnt make the boneheaded play in 2011, Smith takes the Niners all the way t the sb.

1) X. Rhodes
2A) Eiffert
2B) Justin Hunter
3A) Jordan Mills, RT
3B) Kenny Stills WR
4) Johnathan Franklin RB
5) Zeke Motta FS
7A) Terrence Brown CB
7B) Tommy Bohanon FB

Who made this mock??? Eifert in the 2nd??? Not happening. I have no idea who Jordan Mills is & I'm not a fan of Stills who is a cissy. Franklin would be steal in the 4th & so would Motta if he dropped to the 5th. No clue who the other guys are.

Meanwhile, how is Brady Quinn doing? You know, the backup to the backup in KC after that trade.

You'd think the way all you 'experts' here went ballistic when Miami didn't pick him you'd hear more about the guy.

Well, I'm sure you weren't wrong about it. Quinn will no doubt embark on that Hall of Fame careeer any decade now.

Posted by: Craig M | February 27, 2013 at 02:10 PM

Didnt the Chiefs have like 8 pro bowlers last year? Hell, now they can add one more by drafting Luke Joeckel to protect him.

Look for the Chiefs to be a playoff team this year. With all of the talent currently on that team, and adding Joeckel and Smith, they can instantly become a very good team.

They werent going anywhere with Cassel and Brady Quinn. They'll probably have a better record than Miami this year. Wouldnt surprise me in the least bit.

I don't see that mock happening. Eiftert, Hunter, Motta, and Franklin will all likely be gone. It would be great, but not happening imo.

I still contend that this is a very good O-line draft, the best in years. All 3 top guys are an instant upgrade to Long, especially in our zone scheme.

Woodshed,

Agreed. I'm not as sold on Joeckel as much as I am on Fisher & Lane. I just don't see anything special about him. As for Jake Long he can't move like Fisher or Lane Johnson anymore so why pay him 4 to 5 times what you can pay for Johnson @12???

Don't forget the two top Guards (Warmarck & Cooper) in this draft either.

Only scary thing about the Niners-Chiefs trade is what SF does with the first pick of the 2nd rd. They really have no real weaknessess. So it's a great time to grab a complimentary wr to Crabtree.

Moss is probably released this year anyway. This could change our strategy about drafting a wr. At least take away a guy(wr) we may have been considering drafting with our 1st 2nd rd pick.

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