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The official 40 times for the defensive backs

You saw what the unofficial times were for the defensive backs in the last post. Now for the official combine 40-yard dash times for the defensive backs:

Cornerbacks:

Johnthan Banks, Miss. St. 4.61

Dee Milliner, Alabama      4.37

Brandon McGee, UM         4.40

Tyrann Mathieu, LSU       4.50

Terry Hawthorne, Ill.      4.44

Sanders Commings UGA   4.41

David Amerson, NC ST.    4.44

Robert Alford, So. La.     4.39

Johnny Adams, Mich. St. 4.48

Xavier Rhodes, FSU         4.43

Darius Slay, Miss. St.       4.36

Jamar Taylor, Boise St.   4.39

Desmond Trufant, Wash.  4.38

Steve Williams, Cal.        4.42

Safeties

Matt Elam, UF               4.54

Eric Reid, LSU               4.53

Kenny Vaccaro, Tex.      4.63

Shamarko Thomas, Syr.  4.42

Earl Wolff, NC. St.         4.44

You'll notice the official times vary from the unofficial times. Indeed, the unofficial numbers were supplied to the NFL Network, which is inside the Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis, by former NFL GM Charley Casserly. Those are his hand times.

The official times are the ones that count. And the numbers above are the fastest a player posted.

Now, you are aware I'm not a huge fan of 40-yard dast times relative to a player's ability to actually play football. I want football players, not track stars.

But as defensive backs must show speed and quickness, these times are quite relevant to the job. Speed is one of the critical factors for a defensive back, as are ball skills, hands, durability, etc ...

That and the fact the Dolphins are likely to need a defensive back in the draft and need him relatively early enough so that he has a chance to start, I'm posting these players and their times whereas I didn't do that for other positions.

I'd say Vaccaro's time, and in fact his entire day, was something of a disappointment because he wasn't exactly smooth in other drills, either.

Rhodes didn't hurt himself. Banks didn't help himself and there are now questions about him. Both are still top of the second round type guys, in my opinion.

The guys that ran exceedingly fast or the ones that disappointed will cause teams to go back and re-study their tape. Banks is in that group, as are Slay, Vaccaro, Williams and Trufant -- for different reasons, of course.

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JS, from the last blog ...

Aboslutely discuss things. And I actually value your opinion. i read your posts and learn quite a bit. Keep going dude!

WTFF is a Shamarko?

And one last thing for all that were discussin Ryan Swope. Pete Carroll built the current Seahawks in quick order based on his intimate knowledge of Pac 10 grads. We have an opportunity here as Sherman both receruited and was in the hunt for a lot of the top draft picks here. We should take advanatage.

You're on fire today!!!

Mark, I agree with you to a certain extent. I think Philbin having first hand knowledge of former packers, Coyle having knowledge of former bengals, and Sherman having knowledge of form aggies is an advantage.

However, remember when Saban kept taking SEC guys at the top of drats. It can also work against you. I agree though if Sherman thinks Swope will help, swoop in and get him round.

armando, 28-0, the phins need o,
what part of that ain't peeps underget?
lol

Two of the CB in the earlier round should be what the Dolphins shoot for. I am more comfortable addressing the secondary through the draft given that Kevin Coyle was a standout secondary coach. He basically built the Bengals secondary through the draft and I would trust his eye for talent. I think they need to draft at least two. First, competition is good for the team. Second, you decrease the chances of getting a bust.

I would also take a flyer on Tyrann Mathieu. If they do take him he should be the third DB.

My formula for success: Sign Mike Wallace ($11 million), and bring back Stark($8 million), Bush ($4million), Long ($10 million), Smith ($7million) and Hartline($6million).

Draft 2 or more DBs and 2 or more TE.

TRADE DOWN IN THE DRAFT & PICK UP ND TE #80 T. EIFERT. NEXT PICK? FSU CB X. RHODES. NEXT PICK? TX A&M WR R. SWOPE.

Miadolfan207
From what has been said by "experts" it will be harder to trade back this year due to the depth of the draft and lack of all out stars in the early first round.
I agree though the ND tightend will be nice.

The "40" has never tested quickness, the ability to come out of a receiver break, cut or stay with a receiver after cutting. Moreover it does not test a receivers ability to create separation or accelerate after the break. The "40" does show the speed to stay with a fast receiver after realizing he's going deep. There are other drills that test a players acceleration skill. Fast is not quick which is the most desired skill to perform sports like football, tennis and even baseball (stealing a base or catching a flyball).

I'm a fan of Swope too. I see him as a replacement for Hartline, should the team decide to go a different way or Hartline decide to move on. I saw one mock that didn't have Swope go in the first four rounds. I'd grab him with one of our third picks if he's still there. Good solid player.

Not sure I love the DBs in the draft. Second round sounds about right (not sure I'd take Milliner if he was there at 12, and no that doesn't mean I don't like him, it means I don't value the position the way some of you do). LOVE Elam but NO WAY at 12. That's a CRAZY pick IMO. Really like Reid as well and I'd be happy with either of those guys in the second. Curious to see what guys think of Poyer. They'll be some good CBs for us to pick in the 2nd and 3rd, IMO.

Armando,

They may need 1 Db in the draft? One? LOL

Between FA & the draft I think they need 3 STARTERS in the secondary!

They need a #1 & #2 CB & a #2 safety! Whoever sticks between Patterson & bad back R. Marshall will be the nickel since Carrol is garbage! He'll stick cause he's cheap.

Miami should & imho MUST address the offense in FA(Wallace, Hartline, Cook or Keller & a right or left tackle) This draft will be about pass rushers, db's, 1 early round WR & depth.

If Milliner is there at 12, he is a must have, especially with the new rookie wage scale. We have to look at how much it would cost us to get a guy like that in FA. Plus he just looks like a sure thing pick in a draft with not many of those.

I missed the drills portion, anyone see how Amerson and Rhodes looked during that portion?

Woodhsed, I'd go a bit further and say that if Milliner is there between 8-10, you try to trade up to get him.

Miami has picks. Nowhere does it state that you must use them exclusively to draft someone. Use your extra picks and move up to get a top end talent if you're in reach of one.

NCST CB DAVID AMERSON IS A BALL HAWKING CB. WONDERING IF HE CAN ADJUST TO PLAY AT FREE SAFETY NEXT TO STRONG SAFETY RESHAD JONES.

No thanks on the trade up for Milliner. He's good but he's not that good. There are othr guys that can help back there. You going to trade up a second to get Milliner? That's what it's going to take. No thanks.

Our biggest need remains an elite QB. Nothing else matters that much.

Woodhsed, I'd go a bit further and say that if Milliner is there between 8-10, you try to trade up to get him.

Miami has picks. Nowhere does it state that you must use them exclusively to draft someone. Use your extra picks and move up to get a top end talent if you're in reach of one.

Posted by: LOL | February 26, 2013 at 02:34 PM

I agree. If there is someone you feel is a sure thing to be a stud, you take him. I'd rather have one sure thing than pick 2-3 guys and hope they can contribute.

I like Amerson a lot. He's a guy I'd target after the first round. Good size and good speed. Would be a great replacement for Sean Smith.

NCST CB DAVID AMERSON HAS THE NCAA RECORD IN SINGLE SEASON INTS. HE POSTED 11 INTS IN 2011. FREE SAFETY COULD BE A POWER MOVE.

I like Amerson a lot. He's a guy I'd target after the first round. Good size and good speed. Would be a great replacement for Sean Smith.

Posted by: Craig M | February 26, 2013 at 02:42 PM

Yeah, Amerson actually makes game changing plays. I'm also liking Trufant more and more. Milliner, Rhodes, Trufant, Amerson, Banks top 5 in that order for CB.

Matt Moore is a top 10 starter. Moving Tannehill to WR and starting Moore would upgrade 2 positions.

Sanders Commings is going to be a good player for someone, and at a cheap price mid-rounds.

Hits hard, covers well, makes some great plays at crucial times.
But is somewhat less hyped because he's on a Gerogia D with so many hyped athletes.

But when UGA need a crucial pass defended, Commings had it, and came up big often.

I'd recommend him mid-rounds definitely, and he'll be better than what we have in Smith.

Woodshed,

That sounds about right. I like Rhodes an awful lot too. Be great if we could nab him in the second but that might be too much to ask. If we were to have a third second round pick, it would change everything. We'll have to see if Ireland can pull that off or not.

I agree with Craig,no way we trade up for Milliner. However,if he's there at #12,we must grab him imo. Projected to be the best CB in the draft and fills a huge need.

If Milliner AND Patterson are gone before we pick,trade down...

IT'S THE QB STUPID.

Watched Amerson against The U. They torched him. Just saying.

Did anyone else mention Darius Slay? He's another guy that caught me eye that could be had maybe in the third.

I wonder because CBs are so coveted could Rhodes jump all the way up to Miami? He's 6'2 210 ran 4.43, long arms, 40" vertical, great braod jump, top 5 in 10 yard splits and has played against elite competition. I watch a ton of college but admittedly am not quite up on FSU and Rhodes. Any locals or fans have any feedback on him?

Our biggest need remains an elite QB. Nothing else matters that much.

Jay,

Do you understand that Tannehill only had two people to throw the ball to for most of the season??? But hey...why should that matter??? Let's just cut him now & draft Geno Smith @ 12.

Did anyone else mention Darius Slay? He's another guy that caught me eye that could be had maybe in the third.

Craig,

Have you ever seen him play in a game b/c I never heard of him before today???

Andy, what I did know about Rhodes before the combine was that he was a physical CB - that had him borderline 1st round. Now that he's shown he has the finesse ... it looks like he may be in that mid first round mix.

Not many physical CBs who can run a 4.4 out there and be available for a $1M a year as he will.

Track stars make better football player, clearly who wrote this article never played sports!!!

WNPs,

Haven't seen him play. Have only heard good things about him. Wondered what others thought of him.

"Matt Moore is a top 10 starter. Moving Tannehill to WR and starting Moore would upgrade 2 positions."

LMFAO@Mike. You'd be a worse GM than Ireland & that takes serious work. No GM in football works harder at screwing up FA & the draft than Ireland. Then again no organization would ever keep a GM after four straight losing seasons.

Mark Toronto,

I remember him not so much from this year standing out but from the previous year (or maybe even the season before) when he shut down Michael Floyd from Notre Dame. He really stood out, he looked so much more the part then Floyd and I was always big on Floyd in college.

Rhodes is the kind of DB we need when you consider that NE likes to line it's TE's up outside of their receivers a lot.

Haven't seen him play. Have only heard good things about him. Wondered what others thought of him.

Craig,

I never heard of the kid but then again I don't recall Mississippi State playing on television.

I wouldn't mind Ireland trading up a few slots to get his guy if he is there. The jags traded up two slots to get Blackmon for a 4th. The eagles traded from 15 to 12 using a 4th and a 7th. If a stud is out there use some of the extra picks to go get him imo.

Woodshed, ANdy for sure about Rhodes as a consideration. Baltimore and NYG have shown us two blueprints re: the Patriots. One was to rush the passer mercilessly. The other was to slap their receivers at the LOS. So much of the pats passing game occurs within 5 yards of the LOS. A guy like Rhodes helps you do one of those two things.

Pipe dreaming here, but draft Rhodes, sign a guy like Cary Williams and you have some DBs that can help you choke out the pats. Can we still do that and find a LT and a WR that can play next year? I dunno ...

I don't know sh#t about Rhodes but I do know that Charlie Casserly's top value pick in the whole draft is this kid in the mid first round.

Forget the Mayocks, the Kipers, & the McShays who have never been in the trenches....I only listen to the ex-GM's like Casserly or Bill Polian & the ex-scout Dan Jeremiah.

Anyone see Shemarko Thomas? He is the safety from Syracuse who ran 4.4 flat despite falling on his face at the end. That kid had monster numbers in everything! I've never heard of him before today but he looks like a beast!

Wow so Rhodes seems to be the real deal on a lot of radars. That's a good thing and a real option for Miami besides the same names like Cordarelle Patterson, probably so long to Vacarro I didn't see the combine today but heard he did poorly in all facets and the Mingo types.

Rhodes is a welcome addition to break down.

"So much of the pats passing game occurs within 5 yards of the LOS. A guy like Rhodes helps you do one of those two things.

Pipe dreaming here, but draft Rhodes, sign a guy like Cary Williams and you have some DBs that can help you choke out the pats. Can we still do that and find a LT and a WR that can play next year? I dunno ..."

Mark,

Wait a second...Are you kidding me???

What happened to your boy Smith that should get $8-$10 Million year??? Now you notice that NE picks us apart b/c Smith is playing 15 yards off the WR's & can't cover smaller, faster guys???

Hahaha, he fell on his face???

That's awesome. Did someone play a practical joke on him and tied his shoelaces togather like in the old 1980's B movies?

We Need Playmakers, That was not me, I'm a Tanny fan. He has all the tools to be elite. Tanny is like all other Phin players to Miami fans, they are garbage to them no matter how well they perform. If some of the Miami FA were on other teams, many of the fans would be begging for Miami to sign them.

Vaccaro is a playmaker, and a worthy addition to a team.
But against the kind of burners and big physical WRs in the NFL, I wouldn't say he's a #1 prospect. And apparently neither do other folks now.

So he drops a little. But he still is worth looking at later.

JS LA,

Absolutely on Vaccaro. I still like him a lot but not so much at #12 from what I'm hearing. I bet his Pro Day he shaves off a few tenths of a second and gets into the mid-high 4.5s, something like 4.58 or around that.

WNP, I like Smith but the numbers I always thought he belonged with were 5-6M. I don't pay him top ten money - he's not a pro bowler ... yet.

...Mark in Toronto..I just got done watching the first leg of the Copa Del Rey semi. Sweet game. Barca v R. Madrid. About as exciting of a 1-1 game as you are going to get. Skill and technique v power and speed. Footie is a great provider for the time of year when the rest of the sporting world is dull.

Andy,
I'm beating the drum for Elam at Safety if we can swing it (I still prefer a different position at #12)

If not, I can wait until Rambo's round. Or maybe Reid.

vaccaro is nice, but he'd be my 2nd rd pick only if certain other players weren't avail.

PS Smith did do a decent job against Brandon Lloyd who he matched up with most of the time and did very well against the big guys he played. We could never play man it seemed because the other CB was always some retread with bell's pallsy ... or at least he played that way and couldn't cover a WR for one second let alone 4.

The Dolphins play off coverage which is what Coyle brought from Cincy.

So much for that slapping of the NE WRs. Do Dolphins fans watch the team much?

DD, isn't that game on right now? Or is it the 2nd leg that's playing? I see madrid up 1-0 in the 40th min or thereabouts..

Frank, if Coyle insists on playing off even with good talent at CB, you may as well fire him now because you can't win in the NFL that way unless you have a fierce pass rush.

CBS has Ogletree listed as a OLB.

Hmmmm. I may be down with that. He has way more OLB skills than MLB skills from what I saw, but i didn't think it was something people were considering.

Fast, aggressive, forward thinking, tops ant chase downs, and has excellent cover skills. Sounds like an OLB to me.

If he's really an OLB propect, then he just moved to tops on my OLB list.
Like Dion Jordan there too, but know less about him.

Anyone else notice how Texas A%M improved after Tannehill and Sherman left?

Hahaha, he fell on his face???

That's awesome. Did someone play a practical joke on him and tied his shoelaces togather like in the old 1980's B movies?

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | February 26, 2013 at 03:30 PM

Yeah it was funny but he still ran 4.38 unofficial lay when he fell! He is 5'9 215 lbs and had a 41" vertical. This dude looks like an undersized LB playing Safety with CB skill!
I don't know where he is projected to be drafted but I would want him on my team.

COrrection, Jarvis Jones still tops on OLB list... but I still say he won't be there at 12.
Smoke screen.

I'm no expert. I leave that to Mando. But I'm just saying Coyle hasn't done what you said in Miami last year and in Cincy previous to that under Zimmer.

As to Sean Smith ... Am I the only person here that remembers the Indianapolis game?

Guy got singed on third downs, gave up two TDs and dropped an interception in his hands that could have turned the game in Miami's favor.

That's all I had to see to be convinced.

Hope that doesn't offend anyone.

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