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GM Salguero: Put Jared Odrick on the trade block

Watching from the sideline as NFL teams are beginning to divest of talent for salary cap reasons, I assume you know the  Dolphins don't have to cut any players for cap reasons but might want to do that with a couple of guys anyway.

I posted that potential Dolphins list right here a couple of weeks back.

But as this is a lead-the-pack blog not a catch-up blog we move forward to my next thought: And that is this is the time of year teams begin to inventory their talent and see how it fits and where it is lacking and how to make that which does not fit pay some sort of dividend.

And in pondering that, I look squarely at Jared Odrick.

Odrick is a Dolphins defensive end who just finished his third season with the team.

And he is interesting because he simply doesn't fit right now.

Although defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle defended Odrick during the season and made the point the kid is fine as a 4-3 defensive end, the truth is Odrick is not fine as a 4-3 defensive end. Odrick was drafted in 2010 by a team that ran a 3-4 defense to play five-technique. The five technique in the 3-4 is called the defensive end, but he's really more like a tackle.

The 3-4 defensive end has to be a great run-stopper and generally is a 300-pounder. If that player can rush the passer that's a huge plus, but it's not the end of the world if he's more of a run-stopper. And for that assignment Odrick is well-suited.

Odrick is a good run-stopper and has 11 sacks in 33 NFL games, which would be very good for a 3-4 DE.

But the Dolphins no longer run the 3-4. They are primarily a 4-3 team and the requirements for the defensive end in that alignment are different. A 4-3 DE must be a pass-rusher because that scheme doesn't employ linebackers to be the primary pass rushers. The ends are the primary pass rushers. And while the 4-3 DE should be solid against the run, that is not how they make their big money.

So to recap: A 4-3 DE must be a fine pass-rusher and run-stopping comes second. A 3-4 DE must primarily be an excellent run-stopper and pass rushing is secondary.

Everything about Jared Odrick screams 3-4 DE.

And having him out there as a 4-3 DE tells me the Dolphins don't have a legit 4-3 DE as a starter opposite Cameron Wake.

So what to do?

Well, the Dolphins will be looking to add a better fitting 4-3 DE somewhere in the draft. If they don't, something is wrong. And if that draftee becomes, well, a player then perhaps the Dolphins can toy with the idea of moving Odrick inside as a defensive tackle, where he's probably better suited.

But ...

If I were running the team or helping the general manager run the team, I'd be standing on the table suggesting the team trade Jared Odrick.

Why?

He's not a fit for the scheme. He was an investment for the last scheme and the last scheme is long gone. He's still got value around the NFL because a lot of NFL teams run 3-4 defenses. But his value is greater to those teams than the Dolphins. Remember that the St. Louis Rams paid $6 million per season to Kendall Langford to sign as a free agent 3-4 DE. If Randy Starks hits free agency, he'll be asking upwards of $8 million per season.

Odrick is going to cost $700,000 next year and only $765,000 in 2014. That's a long way from $6-$8 million.

It makes sense to put Odrick on the trade block because perhaps a team such as Denver or San Francisco might give up a very low first-rounder for him. Or a team like Oakland might give up a very high second or third rounder for him -- assuming it has that ammunition.

I cannot be certain this is true because he's not on the trade block right now. But you put him there to gauge interest. Let's see what happens. One cannot catch fish unless you dangle bait.

(And now the peanut gallery complains that Odrick is a former first-round pick and giving him up for anything less than a first rounder is bad value).

Look, it's not a great situation. But did you read the part where he's not a fit at DE for a 4-3 team? Remember that part? This is a huge year for linemen in the draft. Perhaps giving up some value to get a pick that will bring a legitimate 4-3 DE is better than using a shoehorn to try to make a 302-pound 3-4 end fit the 4-3.

The Dolphins can take the draft pick it gets for Odrick and use it or add it to other ammo they already have in the first couple of rounds of this coming draft to trade up for a better player.

And that player might actually be a fit for the schemes the Dolphins now run.

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Hey, Dez Bryant might've upset the Dolphin choir meeting!

Odrick is solid contributer. He's getting paid next to the minimum salary since his contract was front loaded. He will only be one tenth the salary that Starks wants. I mean he averages about 5-6 sacks a year and is only 25. Maybe he can still improve to an 8-10 sack guy.

He will allow us to be bargaining with Starks from a power position at least gives the Dolphin's great depth. He can play DE or DT. There's no way in hell he will be worth a 1st. Hold on to him.

This story seems kind of out of the blue and random to me.

The thought of Wake, Jarvis Jones, Vernon, and Odrick rushing the passer next year gives me a stiffy.

By the way, if there is any 2010 draft pick that doesn't fit the scheme and may be traded or released, it's Misi, not Odrick.

If we select jarvis Jones or Dion Jordan ... those odds go way up because we'd have a pass rushing LB and he's too small to play DE in a 4-3.

I basically agree, but it clearly depends on what you get in return. If there is another Randy Starks in the draft somewhere, I would trade Odrick for that pick in a heartbeat. I like Odrick, but your point is well taken, he has more value on a team that can optimize his potential.

I'm sure Odrick would love to get off the hapless Fins!

Mark,

the guy Moore would be a great add for this team too. I've even be happy with the Florida State kid. Really excited about a REAL honest to God threat opposite of Wake.

We have a ton of picks in this draft...we need players who can start and contribute...that's what Odrick is: A STARTER.

Why trade in a mature oak for one of Ireland's acorns?

Woops, sense. Im tired.

kris...
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Mando, one of your dumbest articles ever. You want to mess with the d-line which the one unit on the phins that is playoffs caliber? Try and upgrade the CB position and re-sign starks and focus on the offense. Our defense is good enough to win with. Don't mess with it too much

Odrick is one of my favorite Dolphins, because he seems like a really cool, intelligent guy and love hearing him in intervies (I would buy any audio book he reads, does that sound gay?) But if we did have to trade him, I would send him to GB for Jermichael Finley, in order to save a draft pick. But I prefer we keep him!! I love the Pee Wee celebration and those who have a problem with it , probably have no sense of humor

No doubt Odrick has more value elsewhere. But so does Bush, Long, Moore, Smith, Hartline, Wake, and Solai.

With Starks likely to leave we'll need Odrick to move inside. He's a young player with small cap hit, trading him would not be the right move.

Mark in Toronto @ 11:27

I definitley wouldn't be against getting Jones or Jordan at 12. That would be one scary pass rush. I don't get why people are writing off Vernon so early. 3.5 sacks 2 FF's and a blocked punt isn't terrible for a 3rd round pick. He's only 22 years old and made some plays, he shows a lot of potential and might step up big next year.

No doubt Damontre Moore and Bjoern Werner are also solid prospects. They will be top ten picks and serve their teams well it appears.

Kenny Vaccaro is also in play for us. An Earl Thomas to pair with the best up and coming Strong Safety in the NFL. I would welcome that scenario too.

I really doubt our first pick will be a WR right now but free agency and the combine can change all that.

I'll keep the devil I know vs. the one I don't.

(Odrick vs. Ireland's Acorn)

NeMo, Vernon definitely bit as a pup (to steal a Parcells analogy). His progression may very well mirror that of another JR the Dolphins drafted in the mid rounds a few years back in Rashad Jones. Wasn't ready to play every down in his first year but when he got brief chances, he made plays.

Vernon made plays. he will be ok.


JS,

I think you're missing the point on Starks. He's a FA. What do you suggest? You haven't answered that question yet. Doesn't what we do with Starks influence what we do with Odrick? Would people REALLY advocate letting Starks go AND trading Odrick? That make ANY sense to anyone?

Posted by: Craig M | February 07, 2013 at 11:26 AM

All you do is ask questions! Stop nitpicking what other people have the guts to come out & say & say something yourself.

Mark..
I WANT a DE/OLB 1st round like Werner, Jones or Moore.
I EXPECT Ireland to pick a WR, just because of the pressure he's been put under.

I wouldn't be surpised if he picked anything else. I just have no faith in his judgement.

JS...don't you think that Philbin and his coaching staff will have some say in who they get with the #12 pick?

Do you really think Ireland will dictate to Philbin: Joe, I know we need a shutdown CB, but I've been getting crap about WR play so were drafting my guy over yours?

Why is Ross concentrating on renovating his empty stadium?

lol, don't fo get vo is 21, so is lm.

Mark,

I think your point is well made earlier. If they land a WR in FA, then despite the need still being there I think they wait until the second round to take a WR. Vaccarro's going to be a heck of a player, just not sure he's the guy at 12. No question he'll be a good pro.

NHFINSFAN,
I'm confused on how much input Philbin has, or wants to have on picking players. Hard Knocks painted the picture that Philbin lets Ireland handle that side, and just consults with him on the choices Ireland comes to him with. I didn't see a lot of "Hey Jeff, what about Guy X, can we inquire about him?"
So, i have no idea, of course, as none of us do (maybe Mando does) on how much Philbin trusts his GM to scout.
But perhaps he will at least say what positions he needs unpgrading. I would expect that.

Odrick over Dez Bryant?? Can Ireland do anyhing right? LOL

JS, don't worry, be happy ... Ireland's draft last year was very good ... he will make it two in a row and win NFL Executive of the Year next year ...

Got to be positive

Odrick is a better 4-3 DT than a DE in any defense and a better pass rusher from that position than Starks.

Let Starks walk, move Odrick inside full-time and use the #12 to draft a blue chip 4-3 DE.

The result would be constant pressure on the pocket all across the D-Line.

Mark
Glad you are positive.
I am positive that I don't like last year's draft very much yet.
Or the year before that.
And No I don't have a lot of faith in Ireland.
But there is hope for me.
We are at least no longer heading in the cellar direction. So Yes, positive turn this last year, for sure.
And I do like Philbin.

OK trollers ... Dez Bryant was selected before Jared Odrick. So enough with this Odrick over Bryant bull. Even if the Dolphins stayed at 12, their pick wouldn;t have been Bryant. Just like Seattle's wasn't, San Diego's wasn't, the Giants wasn't etc..,..

And I don't think anyone in NY or Sea is saying I can't believe we passed on Dez Bryant ...

Mark,

It's been the SAME crap from the SAME guys for two years now. Broken records. I think maybe they're on meth or something.

Actually, it's probably one or two guys that keep changing their names. It stopped being funny about the third day they did it.

Mark,

What's your take on Chris Canty? Myself, I think I want one of the young kids at 12. Less miles and probably more money. Thoughts?

Whats really funny is canadians trying to talk football!! And MIAMI football no less!! Hilarious!!

Jeff Ireland is the GM, he has ultimate say over the picks he makes. But he's said that he regularly seeks out Philbin's opinions on what he needs, certain players, etc. With them both scouting at the Senior Bowl, I'm sure they threw things at each other to see where each was at. So since it seems they are meshing well, I don't see Philbin not being fully onboard with every pick Ireland makes in the upcoming Draft (or in FA for that matter). I see no daylight between the two (which is probably as it should be if it's going to work best).

Tell me about it Craig. if they want to be upset about any selection, it should be who they selected in the 2nd round in Misi, two picks ahead of another player filling a major need in Gronk. Or if they wanted to stay with the need at pass rusher - they took one in Misi who didn't even get sacks in college when there was players like Sergio Kindle, Jason Worilds, Jermaine Cunningham, and Carlos Dunlap sitting there in that round. Sure Kindle went nuts but he was still the much better talent. The other guys also had much better resumes in college.

What's really funny is a guy who was kicked off a blog (really, who's a big enough degenerate to kicked off a free blog?) comes back and posts under a different name thinking nobody notices.

You're like Bobby Valentine sneaking back into the dugout with the fake mustache, Home.

Craig, we don't want Canty. While he's a UVa grad (big plus, as that's my alma mater), he's 30, coming off his 2nd (I think) knee injury and will ask for more money than he's worth (as they all will). Also, he's not so much a pass-rusher as a run-blocker. And if we're getting rid of Starks to save cost by bringing Odrick inside, then Canty really doesn't make sense (unless they are thinking of tossing McDaniel too).

"Well, the Dolphins will be looking to add a better fitting 4-3 DE somewhere in the draft. If they don't, something is wrong. And if that draftee becomes, well, a player then perhaps the Dolphins can toy with the idea of moving Odrick inside as a defensive tackle, where he's probably better suited."

Mando,

Didn't they draft Olivier Vernon to be a 4-3 DE??? I swear it's like this guy doesn't even exist to some people.

"If I were running the team or helping the general manager run the team, I'd be standing on the table suggesting the team trade Jared Odrick."

Mando,

Do you really believe Odrick has a lot of trade value??? He missed his rookie season due to injuries & the last two years--although he's showed flashes--I just haven't seen enough.

Plus with all the players that we're going to lose to FA I don't know if it makes sense to trade him for another draft pick. I believe we're going to have enough rookies next year as it is.

Playmakers,
You have a point there on the rookie glut. Perhaps if we could trade him for a veteran starting safety, or TE upgrade?
But yeah, I wouldn't imagine his value is as high as Mando thinks.
But, again, maybe Mando heard stuff we haven't.
But unless Ireland gets a deal thrown at him, I don't think he'd be shopping him.

I am sanguine as regards Mr Odrick///cannot foresee his disposal and/or transfer to another squad of this league///Armando hypothesis weak, lacking in reason or sensibility///questions logically ensue as to intelligence and competence of writer.

Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom

Tell me about it Craig. if they want to be upset about any selection, it should be who they selected in the 2nd round in Misi, two picks ahead of another player filling a major need in Gronk. Or if they wanted to stay with the need at pass rusher - they took one in Misi who didn't even get sacks in college when there was players like Sergio Kindle, Jason Worilds, Jermaine Cunningham, and Carlos Dunlap sitting there in that round. Sure Kindle went nuts but he was still the much better talent. The other guys also had much better resumes in college.

Mark,

What are you talking about??? Kindle didn't go nuts. He fell down a staircase & it caused brain damage.

As for Misi--he's one of the three guys who actually improved last year. The others were Jones & Hartline. I don't understand why there are people who missed this...

DC,

I think I feel the same about Canty. I'm actually not sure there's going to be a huge market for 30 year odl guy, coming off a couple of injuries and a 4 sack season. I was just trying to plug a hole, instead of maybe using the 12th pick on a DE. Vaccarro would be anice add for this team in his place, as an example.

Still think I want to go DE at 12, depending on what we do in FA and who's still there.

Mark,

Kindle was a guy I wanted too. Looks like both Ozzie and I were wrong on this one.

Kindle was a guy I wanted too. Looks like both Ozzie and I were wrong on this one.

Craig,

Neither of you were wrong on Kindle. The kid had a very serious accident & it ruined his career. There's no way to predict a freak incident.

Tell Lindsey Vonn about it.

You guys are wrong about 90% of the names you tout before every draft. You just get convenient amnesia about it later on.

However, I will say that 'Draft Prognosis Time' is the most hilarious time of the year on this blog even if that's not the intent.

WNP, the details around his stair falling are a little sketchy to say the least. And despite the world fo talent, before the incident, he had a bunch of question marks regarding his drive and choices in life. The stair falling was not a freak accident but rather an expected result from the life he decided to live according to some.

Still think I want to go DE at 12, depending on what we do in FA and who's still there.

Craig,

So many holes to fill that I don't think Ireland could really go wrong with the 12th pick. A Safety, a DE, a CB, a WR, & an Olineman are all worthy of consideration.

I remember Kindle as well and thought that was who they were goin to draft. Especially when he dropped a bit. I like Misi though, he isn't a big name nor has he taken a game over, but he is a solid player. Could definately do a lot worse.

WNP, I also agree that Misi played his best season last year. But to me, he still looks like a guy who doesn't fit. I mean, he's kind of too big to be a LB, too small to be a DE in a 4-3. He's not a great pass rusher, is a little stiff in coverage. But he is a good tackler. Looks more like a guy plugging a hole than a keeper. Although I agree we couldn't have asked more from him last year.

Also faced with the opportunity to draft a Dion Jordan or jarvis Jones, do you really pass based on the fact that we have Misi playing that pass rush role from an outside LB???

If you haven't noticed, we've been under a major Cyberattack for the past week and a half. More to come.

Kindle was born in Los Angeles, California and moved to Texas shortly after he was born. His father played semi-pro football in Dallas, Texas.

On July 28, 2007, at 2:35 am, Kindle was pulled over for failing to stay in a single-marked lane near downtown Austin, Texas. After failing a field sobriety test, Kindle was arrested and charged with a DWI.[19] Kindle was 19 years old at the time. Although he was sentenced to three days in jail, he served no jail time.[20]

On December 26, 2010, Kindle was arrested for drunk driving at 4:09 am in Howard County, Maryland. Testing revealed that he had a blood-alcohol concentration of 0.17 percent, which is more than twice the legal limit in Maryland of 0.08.[21] He was released from custody after posting a bond of $10,000. Following his second arrest, Kindle spent five days at an alcohol abuse in-patient treatment facility. Judge Neil Edward Axel, Howard County’s drug and DUI court supervisor, waived both the mandatory $1,000 fine and the mandatory five-day jail sentence.[22]

On September 16, 2011, Kindle was sued in Davidson County (TN) Circuit Court by U.S. Bank for $130,000, over non-payment of loans from the bank's music and entertainment division, which is based in Nashville. It is reported that the bank planned to have Kindle served with a subpoena during the Ravens' trip that weekend to Nashville, to play the Tennessee Titans.

WNP, the details around his stair falling are a little sketchy to say the least. And despite the world fo talent, before the incident, he had a bunch of question marks regarding his drive and choices in life. The stair falling was not a freak accident but rather an expected result from the life he decided to live according to some.

Mark,

i'll say this. The reason his stock dropped in the draft was b/c of two DUI's/DWI's (don't know the difference). Obviously red flags but a heck of a player IMO which is why he provided very good value as a 2nd round pick.

Really not sure how falling down a stair case & causing brain damage is an 'expected result' from making poor decisions as a college kid. Chris Carter was a fall down drunk in Philly & turned his life around to become a HOF. That happens too.

That's a major advantage of the CyberWar, no Blood. (even though its consequences are = or worse). Fascinating stuff for Us.

Armando, great insight as usual. You are the best on covering our Fins.

Here, draft that German DE. A Beast, steroids or not.

In 1962 she landed her breakout role of Jane Hathaway, the love-starved bird-watching perennial spinster, on CBS's The Beverly Hillbillies television series. She remained with the show until its cancellation in 1971. In 1967, she received an Emmy Award nomination for her role.

Always wondered by players post bond on DUIs. Generally, as long as you didn't kill anyone, they keep you in the drunk tank for a few hours to sober up, then let you out. Maybe he had practice he had to get to or something.

The Anonymous, being paid by Somebody, I guess.

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