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The back and forth on Jennings, Finley in Green Bay

Yes. No. Yes. No. Yes. No.

Enough!

As free agency inches closer by the day, as the NFL combine winds down this week, as a negotiating window between free agents and teams opens March 9, the back and forth on what previously seemed certain gets more convoluted.

This applies specifically to the situation in Green Bay surrounding wide receiver Greg Jennings and tight end Jermichael Finley.

Let me address Finley first:

Remember that the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal reported in mid December the Packers had decided to part ways with Finley after the season. The reason for this divorce was said to be Finley's dropped passes, inconsistent production and a little bit of an attitude toward his work and place on the team.

Well, over the weekend the same newspaper, indeed the same reporter, reported  the certainty of December has become muddled in February. Yes. No. Yes. No.

Apparently, the team is "torn" whether or not to get rid of Finley -- most likely by simply cutting him.

So that, by definition means he might stay. So that, by definition means we will have wasted many minutes, words and brain cells on this topic. For nothing.

Bottom line here is Finley might remain with his team even as many Dolphins fans considered him a possibility for their team.

(You remember the post I put up a few days ago about how fans and media often react faster than the teams relative to rumors of players becoming available? Now you see why teams take a more systematic approach.)

So Finley might not be available.

The Packers, meanwhile, are not denying the rumor that Greg Jennings, a couple of weeks from hitting free agency and an almost certain target of the Dolphins, might be franchised.

That rumor was floated over the weekend by The NFL Network.

And Green Bay GM Ted Thompson, who once interviewed to be Miami's GM although he didn't get the gig, didn't dispel the rumor in any way.

"We think it’s a good way to manage the NFL if you’re able to retain your own players," Thompson said at the NFL combine, "We’d very much like to do that, and that includes Greg."

So the player who was certain to hit free agency now might be franchised. Yes. No. Yes. No.

Of course, this begs the question: Why?

The Packers clearly are not in a cap position to invest the approximate $10.4 million cap hit on Jennings it would cost. They have talent at wide receiver. Jennings is coming off an injury-filled season. And he's going to be 30 years old.

So he's the franchise tag target?

Well, there's this theory from yours truly:

Perhaps the Packers are fully aware there will be interest in Jennings, including from the Dolphins and want to somehow work in a way to get something in return for the player. The only way to do that is to tag him and then let another team work out a trade for the player and sign him to a new deal.

Why is this possible?

Well, the Packers might want to get, say, a fifth-round pick out of the deal. And a team that knows it will be chasing Jennings might not mind giving up such a pick in exchange for the certainty of getting the player in trade rather than fishing for him in unrestricted free agency.

That alone might convince the Packers to tag Jennings, if only temporarily.

There's also the possibility the Packers simply don't want to lose a good player but also don't want to commit to him long-term because of his age and recent injury history. So a one-year franchise tag keeps him in Green Bay but doesn't commit the team to the major guaranteed money Jennings is seeking.

Both are possible.

By the way, the same newspaper and again the same reporter that reported the back and forth on Finley today tweeted that Joe Philbin isn't a huge fan of Jennings. I buy that. But that's because I don't think Philbin is a "huge fan" of many players. He's frankly a cup of coffee short of a coma. The guy doesn't get too high about anyone. And he doesn't get too low about anyone.

He simply is ... steady.

He's not jumping on tables for anybody.

The Dolphins plan to talk to Jennings at this point. That has not changed.

Now, you want my opinion on this Jennings matter? If not, you are finished. Go to the comments section. If so, read on.

Opinion:

I don't think the Packers are going to tag Jennings because 1. They can't spare that kind of cap space. 2. They don't usually play games like that. 3. Having Jennings at over $10 million in 2013 would mean he's making more than quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who is scheduled to make $9.25 million, and that is not good for your cap structure.

Remember we had this very discussion last year with Matt Flynn. Would the Packers tag Flynn to get something, anything for him before he hit free agency? Ultimately, the team didn't tag Flynn.

Jennings may obviously be a different case. But I don't see Thompson as being a different person. Just a guess.

I suppose the point of all this is we don't have certainty on Jennings or Finley. Two months ago Finley was off the Packers. Now, he's possibly on the Packers. A month ago, Jennings was done in Green Bay. Now, he might get tagged.

Yes. No. Yes. No. 

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Posted by: JS_in_LA | February 25, 2013 at 02:46 PM

I believe gay awareness has changed to the point that most players will accept a gay player in locker rooms.

Personally, if I were a pro player, I could careless about a gay player showering in the same locker room with me. As long as he isnt eyeballing my privates and isnt making advancement towards me.

The worse a gay player would have to worry about is the languge he would hear on the field from the opposition trying to get into his head. Then its just a matter of that guy feeling comforable with his own sexuality.

Playmakers, I bring it up because it was actually a topic on this morning's radio show.

There's a lot of hesitancy in putting a gay player in the locker-room. Right or wrong, it's the reality in the NFL.

JS,

I was just f#cking around with you. It's a fact that there's a certain culture that exists inside a locker room & there are going to be players that don't want a gay player in there while they're changing or showering. Then there are the God freaks who think it's a sin...

That's not going to magically change over night b/c a couple of players say they're okay with it.

Even if a guy were gay, I believe if he plays lights out football, he would be well accepted by his teammates. If not he wont.

Straight players arent well accepted if they dont play to expected levels.

Everyone's panning Te'o for his failure to show during the National Title game. A few weeks prior, Alabama ran over Georgia's defense. Which was manned by Jarvis Jones and Ogletree. But I here little about them getting punched in the mouth by Alabama compared to what I hear about Te'o.

DD @2:15pm,

That's my point EXACTLY. If you're a T'eo guy you stick by him. You didn't hide when all this stuff comes out and he has that game against 'bama. Too many guys doing that. Hot and cold....no loyalty.

Posted by: Craig M | February 25, 2013 at 02:31 PM
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Craig I have to take exception with this. Ultimately we're talking player evaluation. To me there's no room for "Sticking By"......."Loyalty".......or "Falling In Love".

It's one thing to Flip Flop along jumping on and off the Wagons, I get that. But also, you have to keep updating and re-evaluating your position as more and more information becomes available.

It's a fickle proposition at best, but I try to include ryhme and reason. I mean look how many guys SHOOT UP the boards on 40 times alone.

The MAIN question with Teo ALL ALONG is how well he can shed blocks and hold up against the Road Graders. He's pretty much proven he can do all the other things and do them well. Against Bama's "NFL-LIKE" O-Line talent, he got Handled!

This deosn't mean you give up on the guy if you have convictions. But you CERTAINLY have to re-evaluate where you think he's at in terms of playing and possibly starting Day 1 in the NFL.


Posted by: We Need Playmakers | February 25, 2013 at 02:56 PM

If that player not accepting of a gay player being in a nfl locker room isnt a great player himself. There wont be many of his teammates very accepting of him either. LOL...

...YG are you saying that there are 4-5 players this year that could be fist round picks off the Alabama line? Because if you are including the prospects for next year. Then you have to take in consideration the picks off Stanfords line from last year. A team TE'O played against, and did just fine. I get it that Alabama had the best offensive line in the country as far as Pro prospects this year. But the differencce between their line and Stanfords line isn't what you think. You admitted earlier that you don't get to see much West Coast football. The Stanford team has a fine line, plnty of pro prospects the past 2 years, not so much this year because of age. But next year.

Sure if you want to talk about 1 game(which is just ludicrous when it comes to evaluating a player) You could rightly say that Alabama was the best offensive line ND faced. But Stanfords isn't far behind, and it could be argued that last years Stanford line was just as good as this years Alabama line.

It isn't about 1 game.

teo is awful. dude rana 4.81 today. they have his stock now at the 5th rd and falling. guy would be an awful pick

Odin, it's funny as fukkk that Wanny is a special teams coach since he was the guy that fired Mike Westhoff and had him go to the Jets to simply have the Jets special teams whoop us for years. One of the many gifts Wanny left us. What an unmitigated moron that man was.

Good thing he's not a qb. No one would want to play center. Or would they?

Odin,
Agree. But considering he hadn't faced that kind of concentrated opposition before, he didn't have a reference to practice against. So again, it's how he rebounds from it. Unfortunately we won't know until he suits up for an NFL team how he'll handle NFL players now that he's been acquainted.

Anyway, I'm betting he does well.
I think people are seeing possibly mental breakdowns with him, and that's the hesitcancy. If it's just the Bama game, well, then they're miopic.

hilarious rick

Teo is a 5th rounder a lot like Zachary Thomas ya think exept he's gay

Sorry couldn't resist. I'm in timeout now.

mia73, I know it's weird to say that when an offense rolls up 300 rush yards that the MLB actually played well but Ogletree did. he was very active and made some big plays. Even scored a TD I believe.

The kid fell apart in their biggest game of the year

"The MAIN question with Teo ALL ALONG is how well he can shed blocks and hold up against the Road Graders. He's pretty much proven he can do all the other things and do them well. Against Bama's "NFL-LIKE" O-Line talent, he got Handled!

This deosn't mean you give up on the guy if you have convictions. But you CERTAINLY have to re-evaluate where you think he's at in terms of playing and possibly starting Day 1 in the NFL."

How about if he's good enough to tackle a bigger back with quickness like Lacey??? While people are questioning Te'o they're also praising Lacey as the best RB in the draft. If you think that the National Championship Game didn't help Lacey's draft stock you're nuts.

At the end of the day...No one knows how either player will do in the NFL. All will be revealed on Sundays & until that time it's just a guessing game.

a 4.81 40 for teo is hilarious, just plain awful. kid shouldnt even be drafted. a dt ran a 4.6

I'm glad we are not in the market for a middle line backer

Rick, why don't you ask the centres that played with Jeff Garcia?

"I'm not saying he is but if it walks like a duck .."

- Terrell Owens on Jeff Garcia.

Posted by: DarrylDunphy | February 25, 2013 at 03:03 PM

DD, that isnt the primary point of my post. A great point but a supporting point.

The primary point isnt Te'o performance against Bama. It's that Bama dominated every "FRONT 7" they faced in the SEC this year. Withfar more stars than Notre Dame had in its "Front 7".

As some one else posted, they thoroghly dominated Georgia, and the Bulldogs have Jarvis Jones and Ogletree, both are probably 1st rd selections this year.

The only name worthy playr Notre Dame had on its front 7 is Manti Te'o.

Dusty,
Zach Thomas' reported 40 was 4.78. Not much better.
Still, he kept up.
He moved quickly because he anticipated plays.

Te'o anticipates pretty well from what I saw. Good football IQ.

Not saying his 40 doesn't matter but it's one of several factors that makes someone a good player.

Ogletree ran a 4.70, btw. Good not great.

Mid 4.6's seem to be the faster LBs.

Mark,Not that it matters but didn't Garcia have a fine wife. Maybe it was a front.

All teams need a slow gay middle linebacker don't they , manti needs to come out of the closet right now and hope he gets drafted

Odin, it's funny as fukkk that Wanny is a special teams coach since he was the guy that fired Mike Westhoff and had him go to the Jets to simply have the Jets special teams whoop us for years. One of the many gifts Wanny left us. What an unmitigated moron that man was.

Mark,

Take your pick Wanny, Cameron, or Sparano....LOL!!! I think it's hilarious how much people hate Ross & for some reason give that crazy, pockmarked faced alien a pass for running this franchise straight in the ground. Huzienga is right up there with Jeffrey Lauria.

NFL GM's play poker with each other over all these players. This is just another disinformation campaign used to make Miami nervous and try to get a trade setup for Finley or maybe even Jennings with the franchise tag. This is all just teams bluffing and seeing who is dumb enough to buy into the stories. That is also why Ireland has come out and said that he does not need to sign a big name F/A, even though we all know that he does. It is like buying a car, if you run into the dealership and dry hump the car you want they take you for thousands of dollars more. You have to be cool and let them think you will take any car, keep all your options open.

teo complete garbage. which his secret wasnt out and someone would waste a pick early on him to help others fall to us

A 4.8 forty is more of a coverage concern than a sideline to sideline tackling issue. However, you could also dispell it as a coverage concern because Te'o had 6 pics last year.

Coverage is also about being in the right place at the right time. Which 6 picks indicates Te'o did quite well.

Yup Wayne did us in . It's about time someone else sees it

agree sam no chance gb franchises a aging vet wr whos hurt a lot for 10 mill. i would love finley though. bet hes cut

Odin @3pm,

If you're a T'eo guy it means you've been following him all along and believe in him. You see what he can become as a pro. You don't jump off the bandwagon because he had a bad game and because of the scandal that came out. That's not a fan of the guy. That's someone who can't think for themself and just listens to what the media says. If you TRULY believe in this guy, you realize there's going to be up and downs. But you stick with him when thinks don't go well. Unfortunately, there was too many people who followed him FROM AFAR and bought into what the media was saying and then when everyone turned on him, they did the same. That's not a fan. Have conviction about something and stick by it. Otherwise, someone who does that is just fickle.

I was never completely sold on him, so they game and the stuff that happened afterwards never rally bothered me.

..How did TE'O do v Levon Bell??? He was a bigger back with quickness?? You can't just make up the perfect scenarios? what I'm saying is that the comeback wil be the Spartans didn't have an "NFL" quality offesnive line. The whole argument that TE'O had his worst game against the best competition to me would hold water if Notre Dame had equal quality. But they didn't, it is a team game. And one player can sure look real average when the rest of the team is outmatched.

You guys that like Ogletree so much...he got handled v. Alalbama. And Georgia has as many pro propects on the defensive line as alalbama has on it's offesnive line. He couldn't fight off blocks to make a tackle that wasn't 5 yards off the line of scrimmage to get his team off the field. Do you guys remember that game? Total dominance in the run game from Alalbama. Ogletree nowhere to be found..and he had the players up from to match up.. Yet because he is the darling of the workouts, he gets a pass??? It's like nobody watches the games..Just throws up what they read on some site. Don't believe me go watch the SEC championship game.

As far as, having a penchant for being in the right place at the right time to make picks. Manti Te'o reminds me of former Patriot Teddy Bruschi.

Just a matter if can he do it on a professional level.

I'm reading more stuff about Jarvis Jones falling off everyone's board because they're worried about his stenosis returning.

Maybe they're right.
But if they aren't ... best acorn yet JI.

dusty@3:03pm,

And is that what you were saying 2 months ago or were you a guy who was banging the drum for T'eo?

Rick, jeff indeed did have a nice looking gf. But she could've been on payroll. Heck, there are enough women out there doing less drastic things for a nice paycheck.

One of the many gifts Wanny left us. What an unmitigated moron that man was.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | February 25, 2013 at 03:03 PM
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Pretty Ironic, Eh?

It's hard to find things to laugh about when your 6-10 and 7-9. But enough time has passed. I enjoyed it when he was sent back to college(Pitt). I laughed when Buffalo sent him packing. I laughed when Tampa hired him.

But when I read "Special Teams" Coach, I almost fell in the floor.

Umitigated Moron sounds right to me!

(The Westhof firing aside. Even an idiot like me knew that was a bad move. That STILL burns my A ss!)

Mark in TO,

Did you ever see the woman that Garcia was going out with? I think she was an ex-Playboy model. Now it could have just been a cover like Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes but it sure fooled me.

js jarvis jones is no acorn. guy is a stud

never once liked teo craig, but early on it was just because he went to nd. then after watching him a ton and then the garbage off field stuff i knew this kid was a bust before he even got a chance to be.

dusty,

You sure that's been your stance all along, dusty? You never once thought this was the guy for us?

Anybody back him up on this one?

Uhm, DD, Ogletree made some nice plays in that Bama game. UGA had every chance to win despite giving up the big rushing yards. ND did not. Although I would admit Ogletree didn't look like the next Ray Lewis, he left his mark on the game but you're right, he took a lot too. At least he stood up for himself in that game...

joking Dusty.
Maybe if JI THINKS he's getting an acorn he'll really be drafting an honestly great player instead.

Reverse psychology. ;)

lol craig, even if i had liked a lb i wouldnt of mentioned it cause its not a pressing need of ours. but no ive never liked teo. guy plays so damn slow and now i guess i see why with that 40 time

DD @3:20pm,

Well said.

You're either a T'eo fan or your not. Too many people jumping on the wagon and then off again. I see that on here all the time. Nothing wrong with changing your opinion about someone but how does someone go from 'best player in the draft', to nothing, because of a bad game and a scandal. Ridiculous! EVERYONE has a bad game at some point. You either think this guy is the real deal, or you're just mimicking what the media's saying.

Craig,

"Silver" at the Whiskey A Go Go and "Elektra" from Club Paradise are also fine looking women. However, if I offered them a nice chunk of change, they will be anything I want them to be for a certain amount of time.

..Mia73..good point. I must have been writing a post and missed what you said. I couldn't agree more.

YG...I get what you are saying. Your right. Alabama did dominate. Georgia, with all their pro prospects on their defensive line included.

some call bamas oline the best ever in ncaa

At the end of the day...No one knows how either player will do in the NFL. All will be revealed on Sundays & until that time it's just a guessing game.

Posted by: We Need Playmakers | February 25, 2013 at 03:10 PM
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Ah...........The "Fatal Attraction" in a nutshell!

Nice summation ;)

Mark,

You're not wrong. I always wondered about Garcia too. He certainly came across that way.

And you're soon to be a married guy....it's my name you need to give them...LOL.

Zach Thomas' reported 40 was 4.78. Not much better.
Still, he kept up.
He moved quickly because he anticipated plays.

Te'o anticipates pretty well from what I saw. Good football IQ.

Not saying his 40 doesn't matter but it's one of several factors that makes someone a good player.

JS,

I didn't even know this but Keuchley ran a 4.58 at the combine & Bobby Wagner ran a 4.45 at his pro day. Then again Vontaze Bufect who went undrafted ran a 4.92 & had a very good rookie season so you never know until you see them on Sundays.

As long as nfl doctors clear Ogletree to play. I see no reason for him to fall. If doctors dont clear him to play, he just wont be able to play nfl football period, unless heavily risking paralysis.

The nfl is already on the libilty hook for concussed players and players commiting suicide once their playing days are over. So it makes ZERO SENSE any team would sign him if not 100% cleared to play.

If 100% cleared to play his draft stock fall nowhere on draft day. Its only a matter of team needs when he's still on the draftboard when certain teams pick. Once he's been 100% cleared on his physical ability to play.

"Silver" at the Whiskey A Go Go and "Elektra" from Club Paradise are also fine looking women. However, if I offered them a nice chunk of change, they will be anything I want them to be for a certain amount of time.

LOL@Mark. Love it!!! Just remember the more money you have, the better looking you get....

Ogletree? What wrong with Ogletree?

Yes, or Oscar's. The doctor angle works well in there ..

I think YG mistyped. prob meant Jones.

The question I think will be interesting is how bad is Jones' injury situation. Is it something that is going to shorten his career? I've heard mized on this and of course we don't know the true story. But if for some reason this guy drops, is he worth the risk at 12. Great football player. Without knowing the whole story, I'd say yes.

"As long as nfl doctors clear Ogletree to play. I see no reason for him to fall. If doctors dont clear him to play, he just wont be able to play nfl football period, unless heavily risking paralysis.

The nfl is already on the libilty hook for concussed players and players commiting suicide once their playing days are over. So it makes ZERO SENSE any team would sign him if not 100% cleared to play.

If 100% cleared to play his draft stock fall nowhere on draft day. Its only a matter of team needs when he's still on the draftboard when certain teams pick. Once he's been 100% cleared on his physical ability to play"

YG,

That's Jarvis Jones who has the spinal stenosis not Ogletree. Ogletree is the ILB that got the DUI a few weeks ago.

Craig,
All I know is when Jones was with USC, they gave up on him, and washed their hands of his problem (gotta love ol' Lane Kiffin).
So the Georgia Drs said "our gain" and hooked him up.

Busted SEC heads, and took names after that.
I'll go with that for now until someone can prove otherwise.

There's also a lot of talk that the Chiefs are going to let Albert walk and draft the LT at one. dusty, do you remember you told me they would franchise Albert? Doesn't sound like it's happening.

This could be good news for us, as it puts another tackle on the market and would seemingly lower Long's price or at least the cost to add a tackle. Good player but again, you have to wonder if he's worth anything close to $10 mil a year. By my count that would be the Giants LT, Saints LT, Long and Albert on the market and only so many dollars to go around. I think Vollmer gets franchised by the Pats.

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