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Branden Albert available as a LT option

During the NFL annual meeting, Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland talked about how everything is on the table as far as making the team better. He mentioned free agency in all its forms, from street free agents to top-end free agents to lower-rung free agents. Obviously he mentioned the draft.

And he mentioned trades.

And so I have to throw this out there now:

The Chiefs have left tackle Branden Albert on the trade market.

The Dolphins, who are moving up after deciding Jake Long and his questionable injury history were too pricey to retain for $8.5 million per season, need a left tackle. Yes, the club has Jonathan Martin on the roster and he finished out the 2012 season at the position. But as coach Joe Philbin said "there's a lot of time between now and September. A lot of things could happen ... "

Trades are one of those things that can happen. Specifically this trade. The Dolphins will at least be investigating the possibility and likely will be interested in pursuing it.

Albert is not cheap. The Chiefs want a second round pick for him this year, according to multiple reports. There is also the likelihood another conditional pick in 2014 could be involved.

That's a steep price.

And then you have to consider the Dolphins, or any team paying that compensation, would also have to sign Albert to a long-term deal. And that deal would probably cost aroud $8 million per year.

Expensive for a player I'm not all that certain is great. I mean, he's good enough that the Chiefs put a franchise tag on him. But he's not so good that they are unwilling to trade him. He's not so good that they clearly believe a rookie left tackle in the draft would be an upgrade because that player would be younger, cheaper and, yes, possibly a better player, too.

The Dolphins have two second-round picks. They also have two third round picks.

As the Kansas City asking price is a second-rounder, I might not mind offering a third. I doubt any third-rounder Miami picks up this year would start right away as Albert would so it might be a good deal for Miami.

At any rate it deserves consideration. And I'm sure the Dolphins are considering it.

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Banana.

Posted by: Mr. Tip Top | March 23, 2013 at 04:26 PM

Careful with that word - it's the mating call of Dashi.

Please please please we CANNOT go into season w/Martin at LT.....nice kid but a Human Turnstile at LT........get a et even if ya gotta overpay some, or move up to get Joeckl.


Martin at LT = Trouble for Ryan T

Ryan Tannehill will be running for his life without Big Jake AND his safety valve Reggie. YIKES!

We lost our 2 best players on O.

Yeah a couple of guys for the O-line would be ideal and T-Hill will be running for his life. BUT we don't play for another 5 months. I'm sure Ireland will do something.

As far a big Jake goes...T-hill was still running for his life even when healthy the last couple of years. T-Hill has new safety valves named Wallace, Gibson and Keller so he'll be fine.

Rob nice job explaining your picks. Those who just list a string of names make for a boring post - a string of names in one ear and out the other.

What's your take on Patterson? I don't see Gibson or Keller being around more than a year or two. I won't be surprised if Bess gets traded either. Patterson looks worth the gamble to me to be a serious offensive weapon.

The good news is we're getting rid of all the Irescum players. The bad news is Ross is allowing Irescum to replace them!

Yo Jeffy,

Is your momma a hooka?

I don't know the best way to define good, bad or mediocre, but when your team is on its longest losing season streak in it's history, there is no way to spin it other than bad.

I would define mediocre as making the playoffs at least once every two or three years. Good making the playoffs 3 out of 4 years.

If you haven't made the playoffs in 3 or more years, you are not a competitive team, so you are bad.

Yo Jeffy,

Is your momma a hooka?

Posted by: Dez | March 23, 2013 at 05:19 PM

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One would have to have a brain the size of a dried pea to think there is any humor left in this gag.

Thanks dadsmithwest!

As for DE Ziggy Ansah he was actually my third choice depending on final FA signings. I said the same thing about Ansah at first. The more I studied him the more I liked what I saw. He has great burst to the ball carrier / QB. He actually has a track background and has poured his heart and soul into getting to this point. I like the fighters that have to earn it...they seem to relish it more than the handed to them silver platter type players.

He is a flat out Charlie hustle kid with tons of upside. While I definitely see your point about upside and letting someone else develop him I said the same thing about JPP. Sometimes you have to gamble on greatness to hit it out of the park. Ireland has swung for safe singles many times in the past with mixed results.

Thanks for the vote and who would you prefer to see in lieu of Ansah?

Cheers,

I would define mediocre as making the playoffs at least once every two or three years. Good making the playoffs 3 out of 4 years.

If you haven't made the playoffs in 3 or more years, you are not a competitive team, so you are bad.

Posted by: Senso | March 23, 2013 at 05:20 PM


Agree. And not winning a playoff game in 15 years is FRIGGIN PATHETIC!



Senso...Thanks bud.

To me, Patterson is a riddle wrapped in a very draftable looking package. What I mean by that is as a height, weight, speed specimen he has few peers.

When I watch him move with his r.a.c. stuff he looks like he could be pretty dangerous after the catch. **The caveat is how long will it take for him to get there?** He seems to have latent T.O-esque qualities but he is not talked about in the 3-4 round...most are talking 1st round.

Worry #1: He has a heavy JUCO background and there are some concerns he will struggle with advanced NFL jargon and concepts. I tend to prefer thinking mans players and I get a sense Philbin would tend to be that way as well.

Worry #2: He didn't really have dominant numbers in his one year at the major college level 12 games played with 46 receptions for 778 yards and 5 TDs? That doesn't seem to be the kind of wagon a guy in Ireland's position should hitch his star to. Almost a 17 yards per catch average you'd think he would get way more receptions than 46 spread over 12 games?

Worry #3: He becomes essentially a Mike Mammula type workout warrior that is very long on potential and super short on actual game tape vs good players.

Worry #4: Is that with ALL the $$ and players added during FA that a 60 million dollar man in Wallace AND/OR a 1st round pick "IF" they drafted Patterson don't get enough looks.

I just can't take the amount of question marks and sweep them all away and give up my #12 overall. If he was a 2 or 3 year producer then it may be a mute point.

That is from my point of view...ask the next blogger and they are racing to the podium with this pick.

Cheers,

Claiming the Dolphins are better without HOFer Bill Parcells is like claiming the Dolphins were better without Don Shula. Its totally absurd and zero credibility to anyone that talks that stupid.

Rob in OC. The team can go one of 3 areas of must have needs in the first round with an OT,CB and DE. I'm still big on the DE Damonster from A&M. I like the big numbers he has put up in the SEC and have seen him play some games this year. He's an impact player. It's just awesome to think how much better we'll after the draft.

Senso @ 5:11,

I also totally agree that with the means and methodology that Ireland is using he is renting talent short term through FA to give the boost to the Offense and Tannehill in particular.

This creates excitement, hopefully helps sell tix but it also would give them a multi-player WR look at who will pan out and who won't.

I agree that Gibson, Keller and others could be quick patch, here today, gone tomorrow types...unless they just get in and produce. Much like most of us, including myself didn't see Hartline getting this much traction to become a must keep player.

When mixed with some draft picks maybe a few surprise?

Cheers,

It's just awesome to think how much better we'll after the draft.

Posted by: dadsmithwest | March 23, 2013 at 05:52 PM


Many, many GM's have thought the same thing before the draft, and been wrong.

Even many good picks take time to develop, it is the very rare breed that dominates in their rookie season.

You just never know.

yeah vazman parcells was a genius bring sparano with him to coach, what a great move. and drafting long, so smart

dadsmithwest,

The thing with DaMonster Moore is he is the opposite of Ansah. He has tons of very good tape and you can see him making a lot of plays in college.

The brakes go on for me when his 40 time is that horrendous...it was a dismal 4.95 at the combine and he had only 12 reps at 225 lbs. Those are hard to get around for me. I know that he could be a Terrell Suggs type but even he ran a 4.82 and that was at 260 lbs not the 250 lbs that DaMonster is.

It is a matter of taste this inexact science that is the draft but I would prefer better numbers to back up that lofty draft position.

For me, someone will get a steal at DE with South Carolina's DE Devon Taylor. I would go snap up CB Trufant or shoout for OT Lane Johnson or G Warmack or G Cooper before I go after DeMonster. That's in my humble opinion.

I do relish the day the Fins get better and it better be sooner than later!

Cheers,

Winston was dumped by his last two teams. Only a Dumbo would think he is worthwhile.

Lot's of Dumbo's here today.

Posted by: Dumbo Land | March 23, 2013 at 03:09 PM
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Winston has been offered multiple contracts and more Coaches and GM's have shown interest.

But Troll Boy here knows best!

ROTFLMAO - Sorry, but I'll have to go with the posters, Coaches and GM's that ACTUALLY know Football.

We know who the "Dumbo" is Fella, you can't hide ;)

Parcells engineered the biggest turnaround in NFL history with the Dolphins. 1-15 to 11-5 and playoffs in ONE YEAR!!!! A true HOFer. (dusty is clearly a moron)

odin if ur going with gms then u know last 2 gms he played for havent wanted him, he was awful in pass protection last year

Hey, ya gotta be a Dumbo to still be a Fin fan. All the intelligent fans left a long time ago.

Rob, the way I see it, that is why you have scout teams, to investigate all those worries. They have access to their teammates, coaches, plenty of inside info, so if they do pick him, you know they've done their homework. My guess is though they are now most worried about LT and may look to trade up to get who they want, then take a speedy guy later. If Wallace goes down, that leaves us back with no speed at WR.

I don't buy into this intelligence thing too easily. I'm not sure they even know how to measure football intelligence.

If Marino could learn a playbook, anyone should be able to. Perfect example of a guy who had natural playing intelligence yet has to be the dumbest and most incompetent analyst in all of sports. I'm surprised he still has that job he is so bad at it. It's embarrassing really.

yup shula easy to mention that one, now finish the story, what happened after

ROTFLMAO - Sorry, but I'll have to go with the posters, Coaches and GM's that ACTUALLY know Football.

We know who the "Dumbo" is Fella, you can't hide ;)
Posted by: odinseye | March 23, 2013 at 06:08 PM

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Uh yeah, I'm going with the GM's that know him BEST...they are the ones dumping him. You prefer the opinion of those that know him least? Got it.

You have now earned Dumbo status.

Marino failed his wonderlic test. HAHA

..Rob in OC. WHAT UP!!!!!!!!!

Dude. You are on the money as far as Matt Elam. I watched a few Florida games this year. (at first from a gaming angle..then to watch RB. Gilisee) Matt Elam is a full on stud. Anyone that hasn't seen him, or heard of him. I beg you to watch this years game v. South Carolina. That was a clinic in Saftey play. The only thing I have to say about Elam. How do we draft him? I think he goes at the end of round 1 to the Ravens. Even if he does fall out of the first round. Would he make it to our pick in round 2?

So IMO we would have to come up with a trade scenario that would put us to the back end of round 1, or earlier in round 2. I'm not saying this is an impossibility. I just like to go about looking at players from the standpoint of where we are drafting now. And IMO Elam isn't going to be the pick at 12, and will be gone by our pick round 2.

yup shula easy to mention that one, now finish the story, what happened after

Posted by: dusty bottoms | March 23, 2013 at 06:17 PM


Then Parcells left and the team went back in the toilet.

Senso,

True the NFL teams end up knowing everything there is to know about prospects including first kiss and every mole their bodies location.

In DaMonster's case he has very public numbers. When you run nearly OL numbers in the 40 and you are not a hulking LB/DE to begin with it will sound bells and whistles. I know some team will take a shot, I just hope it's not the Fins at #12. If he happen to slide to 2A then the gamble would be worth it with his past productivity in the big conference.

He will probably go end of the 1st round or super early rd 2.

As for the speedy WR issue, that is why I have WR Markus Wheaton as one of my fav's. He is fast enough to get deep and at least has Hartline speed. Also a great pick in the right round would be WR Marquise Goodwin who may be as fast if not faster than Wallace.

That would be a sight to see both those guys going deep at the same time. The Safeties would have to leave early and time their angles well to not interfere before being run by.

Heck if the traded Bess and got WR Tavon Austin to go in the slot it would be crazy if they drafted WR Goodwin later. Now that would be one hell of a relay team and the thing is, for fast guys, they all have game! They are not just track stars in pads.

Cheers,

You like your 1st Player on the Board you pick him, move up if necessary or at #12 even if other Teams have him ranked later on. You don't wait for nobody.

I'd sign Winston and then move on to the draft.

winston is an rt..........i'd like him here at that position, but he isn't an lt and has never indicated thru deeds or words that he can be a lt.

fwiw......texans o-line & arian foster suffered after they let ew go

Whaaaaaaaaaasuppp Mr. Darryl Dunphy! How goes da battle friend?

I am right there with you on Elam. I mean my feeling on him is he could turn out to be one of the Top 5-10 best players in the first round!! Straight Beast mode with him and yet he can ball hawk a bit too! Would be a menacing presence in the secondary for a long time.

Two thing inhibit the move as I see it.

First of all, you are correct, I just can't see Ireland pulling the trigger at #12. Even though Buffalo drafted S Donte Whittner at 8 I believe, it just seems like Vacarro is getting most all the pub as the forst guy gone at Safety.

Secondly, I think that Clemmons has done enough last year that the Miami coaches would not feel the need, especially that early.

I sure hope they re-evaluate / review Elam a bunch because he sure seems like a momentum changing player just like they are looking for...Be it a HUGE (LEGAL) hit that dislodges the ball fair and square, or stopping a 3rd or 4th and short ala Rodney Harrison or just breaking up a pass that denies a 1st down...Elam is the man for the job!

The recipe would have to have Ansah or Patterson or someone like that that a team would love to have is there at #12. Then, I believe the Fins have to sweeten the pot and get slightly less than market value. That's when a hook can be set.

The other thing is, if they trade back too far, the Reed-less Ravens OR Dashon-Less Niners will leap frog if they think their Elam selection is jeopardized. Those are two very complete teams so they can target and go after who they want.

At the end of the day, all we can do is hope but I sure think we have it down correctly that Elam will be on the field from jump street blowing up ball carriers in the NFL.

Cheers...always a pleasure to see you one brudda!

It's always amazing to me when two teams as talented as the Niners and Ravens will even have a shot at a guy like S Matt Elam.

I mean talk about the rich getting richer! It's wild to think that there are that many players "better" than him he would be there late 1st.

If the other teams in the NFL don't draft Elam, I predict one of those two teams will.

Cheers,


odin if ur going with gms then u know last 2 gms he played for havent wanted him, he was awful in pass protection last year

Posted by: dusty bottoms | March 23, 2013 at 06:12 PM
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Dusty, I hate to have to spell things out for you too.

I'm not defending Winston nor singing his praises. It's this simple(Monkey Boy, you pay attention too as you seem to struggle with comprehension as well).

Winston is out there. He's one of the top rated tackles left, FWIW. Plain and simple, nothing less, nothing more. Ireland and quite a few other GM's ARE considering him, whether you like it or not. Whether that dents your delusional states or not. These are the facts out there in the real world.

Dolphins In Depth or be Damned-lol!

My point on Winston is simply this, as a Left Tackle, he's better than **ANYTHING** we have on our roster at the moment.

I'm hoping we can get Johnson myself, but even then, we don't have any depth. Garner or Jerry? Pssssfpt........Winston is better than either of them as well.

Lets review: Winston is better than all of our O-Lineman except for Pouncey and Cogs-PERIOD. Try and stay with me, we have no starting Left Tackle and very few day 1 starters are available in the draft. Then, assuming that we do get one, we have absolutely NO viable depth.

I'm not sure what you're struggling with here and I hope I didn't use any words that were too big for you Fella's-LOL!

Cheers!!!!


Uh yeah, I'm going with the GM's that know him BEST...they are the ones dumping him. You prefer the opinion of those that know him least? Got it.

You have now earned Dumbo status.

Posted by: Dumbo Land | March 23, 2013 at 06:19 PM
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WHAT? ROTFLMAO - This is like ALoco stupid. You've outdone yourself, yet........AGAIN ;)

I'm not sure what you're struggling with here and I hope I didn't use any words that were too big for you Fella's-

Posted by: odinseye | March 23, 2013 at 07:05 PM

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We are struggling to see why you struggling to see that 98% of your posts are nothing but useless, annoying and juvenile blog pollution.

Duck Dynasty is a trash show watched by Americans with no brains.

We are struggling to see why can't see that your constant cut and paste half page posts are nothing but childish gibberish that nobody ever cares about.

Odin, another Saturday night on the Dolphin blog? Sad.

..Rob.. Life is good. I'm sitting in a Helena MT. Hotel waiting for the weather to break so we can fish the mighty Missouri River. Hopefully tomorrow. It is 28 degrees today, and windy. The eyelets of your rod freeze up, and it is hard to tie on the small size 20 midge larva needed for catching these monster browns! Monday I go the Governors conference on Tourism...Busy Busy Busy.

So since it sucks out, and these games suck today(my bracket is dust)..Talking Phins is the next best thing.

Onto DE Ansah. He was great at the Senior Bowl. Absolutley dominant. He is an intriguing prospect. But how many developmental DE's are we going to have on the roster? My thought is that Vernon would have been a first round prospect if he would have stayed in school. A guy a lot of us would be banging the drum for. We may already have a young up and comer on at the spot. Also..Ansah is a 34 DE. I know he played the 43 at the Senior Bowl, and did just fine. But He may be better suited for a team looking for his particular skill set for their particular scheme. I think we pass on him, even if he is available.

WR. Patterson I could pass on as well. IMO Deandre Hopkins is the guy we should be targeting in round 2.(if we are looking for receiver, which is another debate)..Hopkins is a do it all Guy. Watch some Clemson video. And he is lined up all over the field. He makes catches in the slot, out wide. Over the middle. On the boundary. Deep, and shallow. Plus he has the size that I think we like.

I don't know what the team will do as far as future free agents. Surely this will be a factor in determining the draft board come April.

We get Winston and Moore! Our O-Line is set for a worst case scenario. Martin stays on the right and Samuda, Jerry and Garner rounds out the depth.

This allows us to target whomever or simply go with the BPA! Building through the draft 101.

This is a fallback position in case we can't get one of the guys I think we need in the 1st. And that's Joeckel, Johnson or Fisher.

For Wallace to work, for Tannehill and Lamar Miller to advance in their development, we **HAVE TO SOLIDIFY OUR O-LINE**.

I know Monkey Boy wants us to sign Superman, Batman and Spiderman(You'll have to use your imagination when it comes to what he wants to do to/with Robin). The problem is, these Super Heros aren't avalible. Instead of joining him in his whinning all night, I'll just give you all my realistic/Dream scenario:

LT. Lane Johnson.
LG. Cogs.
c. Pouncey.
RG. Brandon Moore.
RT. Martin.

Depth: Winston, Samuda, Jerry and maybe Garner depending on how many we can keep.

I think Winston may be better than Martin right now. But Martin has the upside, potential and the 2nd round pedigree. So I see him getting all the chances in the world over Winston.

Either way though, the Big Picture is that these moves WILL FINALLY solidify our O-Line for years to come.

ValHalla!!!!

(Can't stay and argue tonight Monkey Boy. I'm having a repeat of last nights "Physical Therapy" session. OMG, I wish you could see my Smoking Hot Blondie! You think you're jealous of me NOW? You would just DIE-LMAO!)

Bottom's Up!!!!

If u sign Winston, its to start ag RT. Even if we get Johnson, Fisher or Joeckle it would be Martin riding the pine for a year and subbing for both tackles if needed (which would be a good thing since he has played both). No way we sign Winston and he is a back up, IMO.

I wish you could see my Smoking Hot Blondie!

Posted by: odinseye | March 23, 2013 at 07:32 PM


Governor's pet or Vet sale? Poodle or Sheep dog?

Odins blow up doll

All you are going to get at this point in FA is players with baggage. You are either going to get old players, injury prone players, greedy guys with attitudes, and guys that can't play. It is time to turn the attention over to the draft. Use the rest of FA to get stop gaps and back ups.

I would go after Ansag with the first pick in the draft since Lane Johnshon will be gone. There is no Corner worth taking at 12. Hopefully, we can get a solid corner in the second round and then we should just role with the rookie, Patterson, and Marshall. Strengths for the team will be the DL, WR, LB, RB, and hopefully QB. Weaknesses will be RT, RG, and CB.

Phille, got that right. Winston would be signed as a starter, not backup. Without signing Long I think the Fins can give out two more contracts, one of decent amount. IMO you have Grimes, Dummervil, Osi, and Winston. Pick 2 of those 4.

Winston is just a stop gap. If he was as good as some on in the media and on this blog are saying the worst team in the NFL would not be cutting him after 1 year. He is still out there because he is a marginal starter. I would sign him to a 1 year contract as I don't think the top 3 OTs in the draft will be available when we pick. Take BPA at 12 (Ansah, Warmack, Cooper, Austin). I really like Austin but I can't imagine with all the WRs on the team now that Ireland would go in that direction (at least not with the #1 pick).

Bobbyd, are you odin's hottie tonight? Where you guys goin? Down?

I'd be very surprised if we see any more significant signings by the Dolphins. Looks like its Ireland nugget time.

Orlando, disagree. Winston is 27 I believe, no major injuries, wants to be in Miami. Huge upgrade. Grimes was Pro Bowl player who was franchised in 2011.if recovered, Huge upgrade. Dumervil, his agent made mistake, opposite Wake, Huge upgrade. You are putting us back to drafting out of "need". Rather fill those gaps and draft out of BPA.

Bobby, gimme Grimes and Dumervil. That makes the d nasty! Odrick can play outside on running downs and on passing downs i would have Vernon, starks, odrick and wake with dumervil and wheeler coming off edges or ellerbe up the middle. Think that makes us very un-predictable as to where the heat is coming from cause they all can run. Then i trade my 1st, 2nd and whatever else i need to get to where i have to be (likely 3-8) and get the LT that we think fits our system best. Martin to RT. BPA rest of draft.

Orlando,

Not sure I would label Winston as marginal. He's a pretty good zone blocker and I've heard the Texans would like him back.

Nice Mr. Darryl Dunphy..very nice.

How long will it take you to get to your fishing destination if the weather breaks?

My Dad was huge into hunting and fishing. Lots of fond memories Black Bass fishing or crushing it getting tons of Crappie.

You are very right, there is a limit to how many developmental types there should be on a given roster, namely ours.

The teams that defeated Brady and the Patsies did so by pressuring Brady first and foremost. I think Ireland is trying to put together as ferocious of a pass rush as he can in a short period of time. Good point on Vernon being one in the mix. It just depends on if they see him as guy that can put enough heat on the opposing QB with what they already know about him and his ability to do so.

It will probably come down to availability and if Ireland sees him as "dynamic" enough of an athlete to change games. The amount of time for him to pick-up the Pro level game will be key too. Ireland is not going to sign off on what he thinks may net dividends in 3-4 years. Thankfully, those Henne days of 4 years worth of chances are over.

For me, because I like DE Devin Taylor so much and he can be had from probably the 4th round on then Ansah would be extra. I would take OT Johnson, G Warmack, G Cooper, S Elam,DT Floyd and of course OT Fisher and OT Joekel over Ansah. While DE Taylor did not run quite as fast as Ansah in the 40, his blended 3 cone,40 and short shuttle final number is better illustrating his overall agility. With his long arms and height he can be hard to throw over much like J.J. Swatt.

If we end up with Ansah I will still consider it a win as if you get the right blend of wolfpack Defense that hunts QBs...it can lead to turnovers, short fields and 3 and outs alot.

Cheers,

Dolfan Rick,

There are no more signifcant players out there to sign. The guys out there now are just names. Ireland is waiting for the market to dry up so that prices come down. Then I think that you can go after a bargain FA to serve as a stop gap for 1 year or two until you can develop a young player to take his place. We made our splash already in FA (we hope) and now it is time to start looking at the draft for impact players. We have 5 of the top 85 picks in the draft and Ireland needs to score big this year.

Grimes and Dumerville then trade Odrick and a 3rd rder for Albert and we'd be ready to rock!

I have a feeling that we're done spending big bucks though.

Orlando,

I don't totally disagree with you although I would say that Grimes, Dumervil, and Winston would qualify as significant.

Cornerback and OT can be addressed in the draft as you suggest but then bpa is out the window.

Would u rather have a 1st, (2) 2nds, and (2) 3rds
Or
A top 5 pick (Joeckle, Fisher, Milliner), a late 1st rounder (Elam, Eiffert, Trufant, Lacy, Patterson, K.Allen) and 1 3rd rounder?

Quantity, or quality?

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