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Dolphins still vying for Jake Long even as he visits St. Louis

Jake Long, who has a gift for his economy of words when speaking with the media,also has a very vivacious and outgoing wife named Jackie.

That's right. Jake and Jackie Long.

Anyway, while Jake guards his privacy about as jealously as he does his quarterback's blind side, Jackie is more open. Jake has declined to speak with local media throughout his free agency period, selecting only national outlets to get out his message. Jackie, meanwhile, has a twitter account.

And that twitter account has been informative as to what's going on and how torn the couple is as they decide their future -- either with the Miami Dolphins or St. Louis Rams.

"Great dinner last night. Hoping to get everything figured out soon. No matter what happens we feel so fortunate." Jackie Long tweeted this morning from St. Louis where she and her husband awoke to a second day of a free agency visit.

Long spent nearly seven hours getting his physical from the Rams on Wednesday. Yes, perhaps the longest physical in the history of NFL free agency was probably a thorough investigation of the big man's multiple  former injuries -- biceps, triceps, knees, back, shoulders -- as the Rams decide how much they're willing to invest in Long.

As that physical was happening yesterday, Jackie Long had to correct an erroneous report in the South Florida Sun Sentinel that Long has agreed to terms with the Rams.

"Alright hold up everyone," Jackie Long tweeted minutes after the report went on the newspaper's website. "Nothing is official yet."

The report was vehemently denied through sources by the Rams who said not only was there no agreement, there were no terms that had even been discussed. The report was eventually taken down.

The Dolphins, meanwhile, remain hopeful they can get Long back. They have discussed contract details with Long's representation multiple times. They see Long taking trips as a way to set the market for his worth.

Long returning remains so important, the club was worried a tweet from Bryant McKinnie announcing he was on a plane to South Florida would be interpreted as him visiting the Dolphins and that would upset Long.

So the club made clear that no visit from McKinnie was scheduled so Long might not get upset and move on.

I don't read tea leaves. So I have no idea which way Long is going to go on this one. I know if the Rams had blown the Longs away on a contract, they were prepared to go that direction.

That obviously has not happened, at least not yet. And so the Dolphins are still vying to keep their left tackle. Their offer, which obviously wasn't what Long believed he was worth, is holding up so far.

[Update: NFL Network is reporting the Rams are negotiating a contract with Long.]

I'm told the Dolphins have a "Plan B" if Long bolts. They obviously will not implement that until Long makes a decision.

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One more thing, I couldn't care less about Jake Long. We have the advantage because J. Martin can play either side.

If one of the 3 top LT's are there at 12, we take him. If not, we look for a top right tackle later and put Martin at LT.

NOT HARD TO FIGURE OUT!

Well...At least Ireland didn't trade for Kolb who is about to be cut. Andy Reid does it again. Kolb=AJ Feely.

b12. keller new the jets blew and he didn't want to risk getting hurt so he faked the hammy so he can go into fa unscathed.
lol

Craig M....

you certainly have a right to change your mind.....and I don't think this makes you a flip-flopper....

however...

I just find it odd that NOW you don't like Ireland's moves....after all we have been thru in these lean years together...

I am resigned to the fact that Ireland has the FULL support of Ross...and the mouth of Philbin all in his ear...

No excuses for Coach or GM this year...I will respect Ireland/philbin choices....and I will expect results come DEC....

I rarely give anyone flak so I was thinking I better be absolutely certain I was right and I was wrong. You got it right Pete. I posted my retraction just as you were posting your rebuttal.

I think Jake Long if he's still regressing will get owned by Aldon Smith if he was in the NFC West.

All I hear is now look at CB in FA! That is what the draft is for. Forget these stop gab players!!

You don't fix every problem with FA!!!

All I hear is the same dumb talk!!

Posted by: BANE | March 14, 2013 at 10:56 AM

You're right, you don't go into FA lookin to fix everything.

But, by the same token, you don't go into a regular season with rookies at CB trying to catch up to tom bradys team in the standings!

That too is dumb talk. Unless you believe Marshall & Patterson are worthy.

Last time I checked, Matt Ryan is healthy and playing good ball.

Craig, he missed 8 games in his whole career, the ones he missed last year - no more. And not TE available is more accomplished receiving the ball than Keller ... who has? Bennett one good year ... which is not even as good as Keller's last full year. Cook .. no good years. Don't know exactly who you wanted here ...

WNP,

Ellerbe Cost Less Than Dansby. And His First 2 Years He Counts Less Than $3Mil Against The Cap. When Ellerbe Is Dansby's Age He Will Still Get Paid Less Than Dansby This Year.

Compare Apples To Apples.

That Was A Real Good Signing.

If Ireland Can Find 2 CB's At Around $6Mil A Year, and That Are Pretty Good. He Can Cut R.Marshall And D.Patterson. And Save Another $7+Mil In Cap To Spend Elsewhere.

Would Love To See What Nandi Gets. S.Smith Has To Get Less.

The Best Thing Ireland Is Doing Is Letting Other Teams Set The Market. And Pouncing On The Value. Other Teams Don't Have Money To Spend. Who Else Has LT Money On The Market? More LT's Than Teams With Money To Spend.

Bane....

Clearly the FINS FO on't see Martin in the same light you do....and thats what makes this complicated.....

For those who think Ireland is failing...wake up. Our past two drafts have been fine, he got us a QB, an offensive minded coach and the best FA available. He got younger at LB without hurting the cap going forward as well as got faster on D.

We have two capable CBs in Marshall and Patterson. No one here wants to see us go into next season with them starting but the fallback plan is already set. In the case that we do sign a CB or two the cap hit will be a wash again like with the LBs since Marshall and Patterson are getting 5 million each +/- and each can easily be cut.

This isn't Madden, it's real life, real dollars, real families, real feelings and relationships.

Ireland has done very well in a job that entails a ton of responsibility and pressure.

I almost want to flip the bill on a "Thanks Steve, Jeff and Joe" banner to fly over Davie.

But, yea.....we overpaid for Wheeler! LMAO

Not sure where Craig got that from. Wheeler is a VERY good player. Like I said IF anything we overpaid for Ellerbe ($7 Million a year & has 14 career starts) & the one of the main reasons I say that is b/c of the system the Ravens have. Not many players leave that defense & go on to bigger & better things. Bart Scott??? Adalius Thomas???

Happens with offensive players from NE all of the time....

Phins78,

Not sure you're reading what I'm saying. Contrary to what Kris is saying, this isn't the first time Ireland has made moves. Marshall, Bush, Dansby, Burnett, Moore....there have been many.

I hope to God it works out. We all want to see this team win. But I'm not going to jump up and down because the media gets excited about it. Kris likes to call those people 'sheep'. To me WR and TE and were the biggest holes, with CB being a close third. I'm happy with what he did with Hartline and Wallace. He's missed on TE again, IMO.....and that's been his achilles in Miami. Great if he gets Keller but not what I was looking for.

Gotta run fellas....been fun!

you certainly have a right to change your mind.....and I don't think this makes you a flip-flopper....

however...

I just find it odd that NOW you don't like Ireland's moves....after all we have been thru in these lean years together...

I am resigned to the fact that Ireland has the FULL support of Ross...and the mouth of Philbin all in his ear...

No excuses for Coach or GM this year...I will respect Ireland/philbin choices....and I will expect results come DEC....

Kris,

You can take solace in knowing that if Ireland blows it this year--he's in the last year of his contract. I know I do.

At this point you have to get what you want from free agency if you're the Dolphins and you need to win now (Ireland hotseat). Once Ireland has grabbed everyone he thinks can help him win now he'll fill in some blanks in the draft. I'm pretty certain "NFL ready" will be the type of player he's after not "Project with high ceiling", "Needs time to develop", "Typically take a year or two to get the NFL offense".

LOL,

I agree, but I think we are all done with these acorn pickups. There are good corners in this draft.

BANE


Dashi,

I agree, Ireland overpaid for Wallace and perhaps Ellerbe (even if he's cheaper than Dansby). but they're good players and it was a sign of intent for our Dolphins. But he can't overpay everyone (Cook et al).

By letting other teams set the market he can fill holes and get bargins, which is what FA is for. The Draft is always more important. That's where we'll find the difference makers who play well above their rookie contracts for the next few years.

Or not.

Bane:
"All I hear is now look at CB in FA! That is what the draft is for. Forget these stop gab players!!"

But the Dolphins have been rebuilding now forever. Using only the draft to acquire corners when the Dolphins are so thin at DB already means a weak secondary for the next year or two until they develop. The Dolphins need to start thinking win now. They should draft a DB or two this year, but also look to secure one or two in free agency.

Besides they just went the route of drafting corners for the future with Davis and Smith and now they're both potentially gone.

Lol and everyone else I get all the questions that's fine as long as we understand we are all speculating and have no clue what's going on. I will never listen to someones (on the outside) theories as to why something is happening and take them seriously. Its speculation.

Some of you keep saying "this guy got signed and hes really good" as if any of us understand what Philbin and Coyle are looking for in their players. They do have a say in this thing guys. The problem is every time a player YOU want leaves the board you see it as a mistake by the Dolphins. You have no clue if they ever even had the slightest interest in the player.

WNP, I was just commenting on a couple of posts I read don't know the names.

On Ellerbe, he will be younger than Dansby and earning less than Dansby would have in his contract.

Overpaying is something we didn't do for either. Unless you consider SAVING 3.2 mil on the cap overpaying.

WNPs,

I think my comments are being twisted on Wheeler. Here's what I was trying to say. Everyone claims good we didn't overpay for Cook. But what's the market for Wheeler? I haven't seen ANYONE on here talking about him before hand. Am I wrong? This guy is 'must sign'?

My point was (for the reading impaired guy, Mr. 'Who Cares'), most people wouldn't even have known who Wheeler was. Can he do the job? Is he an upgrade? Funny, an awful lot of people praised the Dansby signing a few years ago. Now all of a sudden he's an 'overpaid bum'. Love is fickle.

See ya guys...

'Ellerbe Cost Less Than Dansby. And His First 2 Years He Counts Less Than $3Mil Against The Cap. When Ellerbe Is Dansby's Age He Will Still Get Paid Less Than Dansby This Year.'

Dashi,

Well Dansby sucked last year so CLEARLY he was overpaid. Let's see what Ellerbe does on the field this season. We gave him a LOT of money. Let's just hope we didn't sign a guy who can't produce outside of Baltimore.

The Heat are doing some very nice things. Too bad that will ALL be overshadowed by the rollout of your 2013 MIAMI DOLPHINS!!!

Can't WAIT for Week 1.


Darkoak,

No problem :-) and I agree, smith would be all over Long. so would Avril. The Cardinals have a mean defense too. In contrast the Jets and Patriots wouldn't scare a good LT. Only the Bills, if Williams ever lives up to his contract.

WNP....

I actually think....that just by landing Wallace....Ireland has bought himself an extension...with Ross's money....

WNP, I was just commenting on a couple of posts I read don't know the names.

On Ellerbe, he will be younger than Dansby and earning less than Dansby would have in his contract.

Overpaying is something we didn't do for either. Unless you consider SAVING 3.2 mil on the cap overpaying.

LOL,

We were already overpaying for Dansby by a LOT. Look...Let's see how this kid Ellerbe plays in our defense this year & then we'll know.

Phins78, my biggest gripe is that there are a bunch of good tackles & cb's who are better than smith & long who will take less money.

Yet, we won't go after them because Ireland wants Long & is keeping money on the side for him.

That's not assuming or hypothesizing. That's reality. He cnfirmed it with his actions. He went out of his way to have the team deny Mckninney came for a visit.

We all know why he did that. He didn't want Jake to have the perception that we were moving on & risk losing him.

He's got money on the table for him & it's a shame that he can't see there is better available!

Craig M, knowing someones name doesn't make them good. Nor does not knowing who someone is make them bad.

I don't think anyone is saying Dansby is a bum (Well maybe Dashi). He was solid, but didn't make impact plays (turnovers) and is getting older and slower. Not good when you are covering Gronk/Henandez. Both LBs they picked up are good in coverage, younger, cheaper, and created turnovers last year.

DC Dolfan, Heat are champions, Dolphins havent been relavent for the last since 95, this is a basketball town now fool. The Triple A is sold out every game wheres Pro Player stadium has to give away tickets.

Bane I love ya for using the phrase "I couldn't care less" properly. Most in here say they COULD care less and it drives me nuts! Thank you for understanding the phrase. Breath of fresh air this Bane!

Funny, an awful lot of people praised the Dansby signing a few years ago. Now all of a sudden he's an 'overpaid bum'. Love is fickle.

I thought Dansby was great in his first season. In his 2nd year he still played well but last season he just missed too many tackles & didn't make any BIG plays. It looks like he just got old very fast.

Craig annoying Who cares M,

FAH-Q. I wasn't even referring to you in my post about wheeler dipsh*t.

STFU and go back to work. Hope the trolls stay there with you.

Answer: Craig M
Question: Who Cares?

If Dolphins cover the positions they need to, they can do in the Draft what they haven't been able to do in years, take dynamic playmakers or best player available regardless of position and develop them. That has what has made the Pats a success they are, not drafting for need but drafting from strength. Lets let this FA period play out and see where it brings us. On day 3 I think we are in pretty good shape right now.

Ireland isn't/wasn't waiting on Long. Not in regards to signing Cook or any others anyways. I'm sure he's waiting to see if they can re-sign him, but not at the expense of letting any targeted players get away.

I don't believe that in any way, shape or form.

These guys are re-building and the mantra has been: Through The Draft. I simply believe Ireland didn't plan on signing 6 to 10 guys in free agency. He already landed us 2 Big Names and a 3rd guy thats getting **STARTER MONEY**.

How many players do you think Ireland wanted to sign? The plan wasn't to rebuild through Free Agency.

Ireland isn't letting anyone get away over Long or Smith. I believe thats just a ridiculous proposition.

Clearly Jake Long was am unnecessary pick at #1 in the entire draft. The fact that he signed before the draft at a lot cheaper then Matt Ryan would've cost was probably the deciding factor for the frugal Fish.

Thanks PHINS78!!

I'm all hyped up on espresso right now! Fired up!

LOL I have to agree. Especially with Smith, just about every FA CB has better stats. I guess Smith has potential, but he is 5 years in... Think it is time to cut their loses unless he comes real cheap.

Obviously he didn't get the market he thought there was.

I don't think anyone is saying Dansby is a bum (Well maybe Dashi). He was solid, but didn't make impact plays (turnovers) and is getting older and slower. Not good when you are covering Gronk/Henandez. Both LBs they picked up are good in coverage, younger, cheaper, and created turnovers last year.

Posted by: CommonSense | March 14, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Look, he's been known to exaggerate or misread things.

Dansby was grossly overpaid for his production. No one has said he's a bum, cept Dashi. That's his right.

The releases wera about Pay vs. play. Ireland is coughing up good money to these younger, more atheltic guys to make more big plays.

Period end of story. And they'll make less than their predecessors doin it.

Another thing, let Sean Smith go. We all thought this was going to be his coming out party this past year. Even in a contract year! NOTHING!!

The guy is average at best. We need young smart players to mold.

CB is too important of a position, and to me I hope Jeff picks 4 in this draft.

Here's the deal on the signings to date. Did we overpay for Ellerbe/Wheeler? In a vacuum, maybe. But in the context of what we had previously (older, overpaid players not worth their salaries) no, we didn't overpay. We got 2 younger players who didn't cost as much as the 2 older ones. We'll find out if that was a good exchange or not.

But in the 3 or so years we had Dansby/Burnett, they didn't help the defense get off the field, they couldn't cover TE's and they didn't contribute to sacks or turnovers. Oh and by the way our best record was 7-9 with them.

And people are REALLY questioning if that was a wise move or not? Guess what, with the extra savings we got from that move, maybe we add another piece to the defense, or improve the offense. Savings + POTENTIAL for future success.

THAT'S how a mediocre team tries to get the monkey off their back. Not keeping the same pieces and thinking adding 1-2 more is going to somehow magically make the team viable all of a sudden.

I have wasted countless hours following this team & for what??? We still have a GM that's a f#cking idiot.

THAT'S how a mediocre team tries to get the monkey off their back. Not keeping the same pieces and thinking adding 1-2 more is going to somehow magically make the team viable all of a sudden.

DC,

Exactly!!! Which is why re-signing Long or Smith makes ZERO sense.

ss has 3 teams, phinz r 1.
wheeler was unblockable @ g tech,
but they said that 'bout eddie moore 2.
lol

Craig the problem as I see it is you are acting or assuming as if these moves are Irelands alone and Coyle /Philbin are sitting at a bar together screaming at the tv. The LBs were replaced and yes I'm speculating but it's
educated speculation. Coyle was heavily involved in getting two linebackers he feels are better suited to run his defense and are younger while also saving the team money.

I'll never understand any hang ups you have with this.

Just Passing By, then go take your Mitch self to the Heat blog FOOL!

THIS IS A DOLPHINS BLOG!

Bye.


Bobbyd12

I think if we can get Long/qa replacement for long and add 1 or 2 to the defensive backs in FA we will then be in a position to draft best player available (within reason).

It will be probably two weeks before we now how we've done in FA since we need to wait and pick up bargins. Then we'll now how much freedom we havein the draft. The teams that win every year take this route and this is the Dolphins chance to join them.

We have to overpay. Why else wouldnt anyone join the Fins?

Anyone crazy enough to say Keller is the same as Fasano, implying they are merely interchangeable pieces, clearly hasn't watched enough of both play. Fasano is a very admirable TE who is above-average to good in the blocking game.

Keller, although not as strong in the blocking game as Fasano, he is more of a "safety cushion"/offensive weapon for the QB. Fasano is better suited in a run-heavy offense.

Keller would be a slight upgrade, only because the Phins are trying to get more vertical offensively and Keller is a more reliable receiver. The two players are close, but the slight edge is to Keller. He can command coverage and help open up other receivers with his speed and route running. Fasano is good in the red zone, but in my opinion, Keller offers more positives over the whole 100 yard length of the field

Fair enough LOL, I understand your stance. Hopefully everything works out for the best.

So anyone else think Amedola will be hurt by week 4 and the Broncos will stomp the Pats next year with Welker laughing his arse off?

WNP, I won't be sad if either of them walk. But if Long goes I'm coming around to the fact we'll be light on the oline. So that becomes a priority in the Draft (unless they somehow get Vollmer).

We still need TE, CB, OL, those are biggest holes right now.

dc, u'd been saying that since 2008.
lmao

Great post at 11:21 odinseye.

The Dolphins probably feel that Jake is still valuable at a reduced price. It has nothing to do with the lack of confidence in Martin. Martin was a LT in college and was successful in making the switch to RT last year before being asked to switch to the left for the often injured Jake Long. Once Martin settles in on either side he will be just fine. Martin is a young guy and he will get stronger. Whenever you guys review Martins tape, be sure to review Jake Longs tape as well. I've seen Jake get blown up, speed rushed, and overrun. Jake is NOT worth that kind of money. Him walking creates another hole that the Dolphins would need to fill. That pick could otherwise be spent on other needs, and thats about the extent of the Dolphins missing Jake.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2013/03/dolphins-still-vying-for-jake-long-even-as-he-visits-st-louis.html#storylink=cpy

All these moves are the Dolphins to make. Unfortunately we don't have a say in it. One thing we can agree on though is that they are definitely making a concerted effort to get better this year. I'm just hoping that come mid season the games will matter for a change.


Commonsense,

That's pretty much how I see it. In addition, with no quick outlet (Hernandez will be injured too) Brady will have to hold onto the ball longer. He'll either fall over alot (which he likes to do) or get hit. If he gets hit the Pats will run the ball for the next few plays whilst brady sorts out his hair/finishes crying.

Either way, it will be good to see.

Posted by: odinseye | March 14, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Sorry but, you're dead wrong. And all evidence points to that. Lemme explain why:

- Ireland signed 3 guys to starter money right?
- He also retained Starks and Hartline so it's actually 5.

- He is holding out for Long to pay him starter money That's 6
- He wants Smith back & has to pay him starter money & he's 7.

If you Don't count Starks & Hartline coming back, it's still 5 players he's giving start money to.

The point is very simple and one people won't acknowledge. If he wants to pay Long & Smith starter money, why can't he find someone else to pay instead of them?

There are better, younger & cheaper optiona on the market RIGHT NOW. But, Ireland waits for "value".

He is sitting on his hands. For anyone who wishes to see it they only need open their eyes.

And then DC follows up with another great post at 11:26. Great posts imo of course because I agree 100% but none the less great posts!

Have to run gentlemen, talk to you all later.

2watt, I've been saying it since 2003... Now I'm depressed, thanks.

It seems pretty obvious to me that Philbin, Coyle and Ireland are totally on the same page right now. I really have total confidence in Philbin right now.

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