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Elvis Dumervil if Jake Long walks

Jake Long is back in South Florida after his marathon visit to the St. Louis Rams. Interestingly, Elvis Dumervil, a Miamian, is also in South Florida because the place is his home.

Both are unrestricted free agents.

Both are very accomplished players at their positions.

Both have flags.

Both have been to the Pro Bowl.

Both are likely to get around $8 million per season from the next team they play for. Both want more but, hey, that's about the market right now, guys. Maybe even less.

So if you're Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland do you continue to try to re-sign Long as he's been doing for a couple of weeks now? Or do you shift focus to Dumervil?

After all, the Dolphins would like Long back as a blindside protector to Ryan Tannehill. But they would love a pass-rush phenom to place at the other defensive end position opposite pass-rush phenom Cameron Wake.

Two possibilities. Can't do both. What to do?

I conducted an unscientific twitter poll about this Friday. I got over 200 responses in five minutes. Fans voted 95 for Long, 84 for Dumervil, 15 for both and 10 for neither. There were other smartaleck answers as well but they didn't get counted.

Of course, what fans want doesn't much matter to the Dolphins. Sounds harsh but it simply is true. They conduct business based on what they believe is the proper course.

But this is where I fall on this one:

I cannot fathom the Dolphins selecting Dumervil over Long because it would upset their salary cap structure specifically as it relates to Wake. Remember Miami's Pro Bowl defensive end signed a five-year, $33.2 million contract with the Dolphins last year.

It was a brilliant deal by the Dolphins because a 15-sack pass-rusher is worth much more than $6.6 million per season. Michael Bennett, a one-year wonder nine-sack guy just got $5 million for one year from Seattle after visiting the Dolphins.

Well, if the Dolphins add Dumervil at $8 million per how is that going to sit with Wake?

Maybe Wake is a saint and sees it as help for the team which is awesome. Maybe Wake even looks at it as a being a help to him because suddenly offensive lines cannot always slide their protection to him. But maybe Wake sees it as screwy that he's making less than a teammate who last year accomplished less elsewhere.

No, that's not simple Xs and Os thinking. But any team that only considers Xs and Os and doesn't think about chemistry in the locker room is shortsighted.

So I suppose I agree with getting Long over Dumervil.

But ...

What if Long goes to another team? What if all the effort the Dolphins have made getting him is for naught. What if the cap space they budgetted for him suddenly comes free?

Well, then I would say go chase Elvis Dumervil.

Turn a loss into a win if you can. Draft a tackle in the first round and replace Long cheaply while making the defensive line a monster.

(Peanut gallery: But Mando, what about that chemistry issue with Cameron Wake?)

I call Wake and tell him the plan. I share with him that the move is afoot and it is meant to improve the team and take the team to the playoffs and perhaps even shorten Tom Brady's days in the AFC East. I make sure he understands he will benefit from this move.

I make sure he's on board. I don't give him the opportunity to complain.

And then I add a proven 9- to 17-sack guy.

Yes, he's short. Yes, he's 29.

But yes, he'd be a great addition.

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Optimistic MAYBE. Playoffs OBVIOUSLY!

dashi,

Basically the extra mil a year we paid Wallace ensured the deal was done even before fa officially began. Wallace talked to no one else but Miami.

josh thats easy. we dont have a brady, big ben, luck, flacco,rivers, newton, brees, ryan. nfl qb league..

YG,

Craig Is Just Mad Dashi Is Better At Life.

Agreed. The Fins Didn't Really Overpay for Wallace. But You Know I Have To Watch Everything Dashi Says. My Words Are Always Under Intense Scrutiny.

I Can Be Right 95 Times Out Of 100, People Are Still Going To Complain. Dashi You Were Wrong 5 Times!! All Year!!

enough with grimes. what a broken record! for 2 days already!

his agent already said t was an informational visit & he wasn't signing anywhere until at least after the owners meetings.

stop soiling your panties over a guy who isn't coming here! stop viewing the dolphins like a fantasy or madden team.

Posted by: JD | March 16, 2013 at 05:10 PM

Hit the nail on the head. I was here last week. I answered that fool's question twice and he kept asking me the same question. He wouldn't go back and read my response, he just expected me to answer him over and over on his demand.

..For our needs at tight end. Keller fits just fine. This doesn't mean we won't explore further upgrades via the draft. His aquisition accomplishes one thing that we haven't had in 5 years..A tight end that can win against linebackers, and safties on a more consistant basis. I don't think anyone here is implying Keller is the perfect answer. But he is an upgrade to Fasano in this instance. Maybe not a huge one. But a step none the less.

Dashi and I have been debating the offensive identity, or make up of the unit for a few weeks. The Keller signing goes against my thoughts of what I want to see out of the offense, and more to his point that perhaps a blocking tight end is not as important in the overall scheme. I still think that we are a ways from the Packer type offense where the tight end hardly touches any one. But the Keller signing is an obvious step, should we come around to being able to execute this complex offensive scheme.

Still..I would like too see a tight end drafted. The idea that we have Dustin Keller solves nothing outside of this year. If we have the opportunity to take a guy that the team has evaluated to be better then what we have on the roster now...We should pull the trigger.

Everyone knows 11 wins is traditionally our ceiling. These guys pull together (and the chemistry is there) they could win 13 games.

We didnt gain Lamar Miller any more then we gained Matt Moore. They were both on the team last year! DUUUUHHH!

Posted by: YG IS DUMBO | March 16, 2013 at 05:13 PM

I guess this means 2 things:

1. Lamar Miller isnt replacing Bush as starter.
2. Craigarrhea has great competition in you.

Doesnt matter that Miller was already on the roster DUMBO. He wasnt a "STARTER" last year, but he will be a "STARTER" this year.

ADDITION BY SUBTRACTION DUMBO. LOL....

Keller is a one year deal. Perfect, he covers the spot left by Fasano and leaves us with all our options open to either extend him or go with a TE in the draft.

Ireland has his game face on, finally.

lobo,

Expect accusations that you & I are simply aliases of another person to commnce shortly.

OK FINFANS

READY FOR THE POLL OF THE DAY?


WHO IS THE DUMBEST POSTER ON THE BLOG?


A) CRAIG M

B) YESTERDAYS GONE

C) DASHI (aka ODIN)

JD and Lobo,

You Should've Seen Craig Telling Dashi The Fins Need Zero LB's!! And Asking For Scenario's!! Then Denying That It Could Happen!! (Reason Craig Is So Hurt)

When Dashi Gives Him The 1001 Way To Get Rid Of Dansby!! Craig Still Said No That Is Impossible!!

Well Ireland Did The Impossible!! Then Did It Twice!!

And Craig Has Been Menstruating Ever Since!!

13 wins,lol unreal come on dude. lose the bias

Posted by: Dashi | March 16, 2013 at 05:17 PM

Dashi,

I fully understand. They lay in wait to jump on my mistakes too. But the dumbasses count opinions as being wrong. So you know that automatically increases the count.

But they also know that I dont give a fk what the think. Never have, never will. LOL...

Im excited. I also understand the hesitance on some people part. But we can dream right. And Dusty with these guys around him Tannehill could have a great year. The line is a must. We want this kid as cozy in the pocket as possible. Swag breeds swag. It could happen for us.

If we protect him someone will ALWAYS come open. Who can cover us?

Speaking of TE's. It is interesting that Egnew is still on the team. All that could change soon, but until it does, we can't rule him out of the picture.

Just FYI "stop soiling your panties over a guy who isn't coming here"
This is the same Super Doucebag Troll who last week tried to tell us "Once Keller leaves he isn't signing here" LMAO!!! You have ZERO credibility douche.


Posted by: DarrylDunphy | March 16, 2013 at 05:19 PM

Funny you should mention this. Gavin Escobar can be had 3rd-4th rd. Very good blocker and possession type TE. At 6'6, could be a nice redzone weapon too.

Dashi,

You are right about the Kellar sigining for 1 year. We can groom a top TE from the draft and let Kellar walk next year. Hopefully, Ireland is just bringging in this guys for a look and is trying to find a bargain. I am content with what he is done so far in FA (except I want him to get a deal done with Long) and I am looking forward to the draft.

I think that we can find two corners in the first two rounds and we will be fine with the two rookies and Patterson and Marshall in the secondary. We can also pick up a TE and young depth on the O-line, Safety, and RB. I am done with FA and can't wait until the draft.

Michael Egnew, 6’5 245, is a big tight end prospect who will be a great target for quarterbacks to throw the ball at. Egnew can line up in the slot and works well in open space. For a player of his height, he has great body control when going up to make a catch. NFL teams will likely want him to add weight, but his athletic potential will trump those concerns.

Egnew has long stride speed and can create after the catch. He's a very good route runner for his position and will work defenders ragged with nice cuts inside and outside. Egnew does a great job boxing out defenders, using his frame to his advantage.

Dusty are you serious bro? Newton is the only guy on that whole offense. River team sucks. Brees team sucks. Flaccos team sucks. Indys offseason moves are a joke. There goes Luck. Chewed through half that. Big Ben scare anyone after last year? Anyone? I could go on but my bias would show through :)

Is Egnew a secret weapon in waiting, or an all out bust? We still don't really know, that's my only point.

Its a QB league but it takes a team to win. Newton...youre silly

However i wont rule out that you could be right.

What you guys fail to understand about Egnew is that in college he was a great reciever. No questions there. He was even lined up like a wr there at times.

The knock on Egnew is blocking and possibly slow to digest the Sherman's playbook. If this kid's blocking and diegesting of the playbook improves. Egnew's going to shock you guys with his pass catching abilities.

Hopefully it happens this year. If it does, Keller may be expendable in 2014, because I expect Ireland to go after a Gavin Escobar in the draft to replace the blocking skills and solid pass catching of Fasano.

I was expecting some sort of House cleaning, VMike, all the signs were pointing to it, but not as much as they swept away. Maybe some left to say goodbye, still.

Ten wins is the floor for this team. Shore up the line and gimme one of the top three corners. Even if we dont get the DE i want im very confident.

It's quite comical really.

Posted by: Craig M | March 16, 2013 at 04:16 PM

You know what's comical to me? YOU!

You are the FIRST ONE to tell people attacking your dumb posts that "everyone is entitled to their opinion"

That's quite right but, why don't you treat people the same way? When you don't agree with people you go around saying they are comical.

Why do you ya;l to people like youre superior? You know youre not, right? I hope so! It must be so tiring to be you! Trust me, it's tiring for us to deal with you! Being so smart n we're so dumb.

For the love of god, get lost!

If Egnew wouldnt have been considered such a poor blocker in college. He would hav e easily been a 1st rd calibre pick.

Based on his recieving skills alone, Egnew was regarded as a legit 3rd pick.

Hope he improves the blocking and digesting of the playbook this offseason. If he does, we'll all be pleasantly surprised.

..Yg. I love the idea of drafting a TE in those mid rounds. They aren't premium picks. If they contribute it is a bonus. Plus it could put to rest the Egnew question. Let these guys fight it out for a roster spot. Give Egnew an opportunity to prove his value. If he can't beat out a mid round rookie..Then he shouldn't be here.

As far as Escobar goes..I Don't know a thing about him. I'll check him out.


This is the same Super Doucebag Troll who last week tried to tell us "Once Keller leaves he isn't signing here" LMAO!!! You have ZERO credibility douche.

Posted by: bobbyd12 | March 16, 2013 at 05:30 PM

Actually, it's not. I'm happy Keller is here & wanted him here. You have me confused with a troll, which you are.

Hey, btw knucke duster, aren't you the guy Armando banned for a couple days? LMAO

See, perhaps you should know wtf you're talking about before you type. You won't look like as big of an ass next time.

Will Dickie V ever lay off of the testosterone? No way a guy as old as him also has so much energy.

Still love you Mr. Dick Vitale. At your age, I hope that my Dick, is as Vitale as yours. LOL...

..Egnew was only active once last year. Does anyone know if he is eligible for the practice squad? Does anyone have any theories why he wasn't just put on the practice squad last year?

Post (sorry no refresh)

Egnew wont make the roster next year.

Well maybe its a matter of Egnews desire. If he spent the offseason training, bulking up a little, learning the book, maybe we don't need another TE. Either way, if we draft a TE now, he has a full year to ease into it.

Posted by: DarrylDunphy | March 16, 2013 at 05:47 PM

DD,

Escobar is from San Diego St. He's a good blocker, has nice hands, but a little on the slow side. Not a seam threat, but at 6'6 255 lbs, could be a nice redzone threat. The guy does have very reliable hands and was pretty productive in college.

His best year in college was 2011. 51 rec 780 yds 15.3ypc and 7 tds.

2012 he was 42 rec 543 yds 12.9 ypc 6 tds. He did have a 55yd td catch in 2011 and a 51yd td catch in 2012.

But he did have a slow 40 at the combine.

DD,

2011 and 2012 Gavin Escobar highlights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgZm7M3PoO8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljO2OScTeRI

..Yg..I think speed is totaly over-rated for a big tight end. Use Gronk as an example..He is hardly a burner. But he understands how to use his body to get open. Or he is just so big..guys can't cover him. I'll take a look.

Remember we talked about Levine Toiolo a few weeks back? He is similar...Big bodied, not real fast. But a ton of his catches are down the seam..Just over the top of people. Same sort of idea. A nice H-Back redone guy. Mid to late round pick.

NEPatriots Draft scout has a good breakdown of him if you anyone wants to check it out.

Just FYI, yea riiiight. If you post under multiple names you are a douchebag. I can care less how many excuses you want to make. Like I said, Super no nothing Douchebag Troll = YOU

I would suggest not letting Shermans lack of success in GB sway your opinion of his abilities. Remember Belichek failed miserably in Cleveland.

Who were the biggest two under-performers on offense last year? Egnew and Thomas. Well guess who called them both out before even the pre-season started? Sherman was on top of it.

Whereas Sparano was in denial about his players, Sherman is the exact opposite.

Simple solution:

Cut Odrick, who is yer another reminder of a slew of mediocre draft picks, and sign both Dumervil & Long.

The more we can do in FA to help laser-focus the draft on other positions, the better.

you are a douchebag.
Posted by: bobbyd12 | March 16, 2013 at 06:07 PM

The biggest douchebag idiot here is always calling others douchebags.

Agreed.

The Fins Should Be Looking TE With The 3rd Round Pick. Keller Is A 1 Year Lease. And Won't Demand To Be The Starter Like Fasano, If Egnew Beats Him Out.

Fasano and Bush. 2 Progress stoppers!! Specially Bush Demanding To Be A Feature Back.

Philbin Is really helping Ireland. Makes You Wonder How Much Influence Did Spo Have?

All Those Linemen That Were His Guys. The Lack Of Offensive Play makers. The Wildcat Players. The Defensive Players For Mike Nolan!!

Again, Ireland's Best Signing Was Last Year. Philbin!!

blim, go lick your moms herpes infested pussie....

Posted by: bobbyd12 | March 08, 2013 at 09:08 PM

DD,

I hope you watch the Escobar links I posted. He reminds me of Gronk a little. Seems to unsderstand route running, tough to bring down, deceptive speed in the seam, and kept both feet inbounds on a couple tough sideline and enzone throws catches.

In college you only need keep 1 foot inbounds, he ekpt both feet inbounds like nfl rules states. That I was very impressed by.

Hey Barbara how much did you have to beg Armando to let you back on the blog? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You're accusing me yet, it's you who admitted to being banned! For trolling & foul language I Imagine! LMAO! It's too easy sometimes!

You fool no one with your internet tough guy routine when you're begging armando on your hands and boney knees.

Go join the circus where you belong. I think you've been embarassed enough!

Wow, touchy touchy. To Craig, no, being called a contrarian isn't "condescending." And no YG, calling someone a contrarian isn't "stabbing them in the back."

Craig, in 2010, the popular opinion on the blog was Henne was done. Posters here after that last game were eviserating you for defending him. I was here (I was actually defending your right to your point-of-view, which I disagreed with). Isn't that the classic definition of a contrarian?

Or how about the last few years, I was screaming for a 1st-rd QB, as the most important thing the GM could do to change the mediocrity gripping the team. You disagreed. Many others agreed with me. You continued to disagree (until 2012). Again, contrarian.

Last few years, anyone who's been on this blog would say you've been one of Ireland's biggest defenders. Kris and others have been some of his biggest detractors. So Ireland makes moves that even makes a detractor like Kris happy, giving him credit, and Craig, you have a muted response.

Bud, how's that not a contrarian? It's not a dis, it is what it is. It's like me looking out my window and saying it's cloudy. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, I call it a duck (even if it calls itself a lion).

Posted by: DC Dolfan | March 16, 2013 at 06:20 PM

Why waste your breath, Craigarrhea will never understand. He's the duck that calls himself a lion.

As far as Im concerned Craigarrhea's a totally lost cause and not worth the bother.The duck, I mean lion(LOL) will never change.

I also like Escobar and reports are that Ireland really covets him. I am hoping that he is still available with our first pick in the 3rd round. That would allow us to concentrate on the OL (if Long does not resign), corner, and pass rusher with our first 3 picks.

We will have to see about Egnew. That report from Armando that one of the players felt he was a P---Y is not very encouraging. That is the ultimate insult for a football player.

Who said:

Sporano & Ireland deserved extensions after `10 season?

Harbaugh wouldn't work for us in a strike season but, when to the title game with the 9ers?

Who said Henne just needed more time?

Who said Dansby can't be cut because NE would get him & he's too valuable?

Who said Irelands a good GM the last 3 years?

Who said no to a 1st round qb for years but, change his mind when Ireland was gonna take one?

DD,

Gronk Is Huge. Agreed, He Uses His Body Over His Speed.

Egnew Can Still Develop. If You Look At Him He Is A J.Finley Clone. 6'5" 250+ Runs 4.6.

The Prototype For This Offense.

I Know Dashi Has Been saying We Are Going To Run A Spread WCO. 4 Wide And T-Hill and L.Miller Running Some Spread Option.

But My Boy Sherman Runs Everything(700+ Plays, 50+ Formations). In The NFL Sherman Was Known To Throw A lot Of Screens. But We Still Haven't Seen That Because This Offense Didn't Have The Pieces. (Sherman Has Had A Top 5 Run Game And Top 5 Passing Game In The NFL!! Plus A Top 5 Offense!!)

Wonder If Mando and The Other Pundits Say Something When Sherman And Philbin Only Practice Passing This Year, Again!! Or Are They Going to Realize, Figuring Out The Pass Game Is Harder Than the Run Game!! And Sherman Knows What he Is Doing. He Has Done This Before.

We All Know T-Hill and His 2 Veteran Wr's Know The Base Offense!! And Most Teams Haven't Seen Him Scramble.

Sherman Developed T-Hill Better than Any Other Rookie.

Luck Was Given To Much Freedom
RG3 Was Given Shanahan(Qb & RB Killer)
R.Wilson Has Plateaued
Weeden is Past His Prime

Sherman Didn't Let T-Hill Take Another Step In His Development Til He Passed The Last One!! And Making Him Play With No Wr's Was Genius!! T-Hill Never Developed Throwing To Only 1 Wr!! Took 1 Of His Main Problems Away from Pre Draft. He Was forced To Scan And Make Pre play Adjustments For All His Wr's!! Every Play!! T-Hill Won't Zero In On Wallace!!

Dashi,

Not only did slam dunk it regarding Dansby/Burnett, you posterized CraigM in the process...

Kinda hard for him to get over it.

On how much he enjoyed playing under Coach Philbin and Coach Sherman

- “It’s been awesome. I love playing for Coach Sherman. I think a lot of him. I think a lot of Coach Philbin and Coach O’Keefe as well, the receiver room. So it’s actually is great having a dynamic with Coach McGeoghan to as an assistant receiver coach. So I’ve always said that you judge a Head Coach by the company he keeps with his coaching staff and if that’s the case, Joe Philbin is second to none. He’s done a great job putting a great staff around him and now it’s kind of the players turn to kind of relay that because players are usually a direct reflection of their coaches. So we should start playing well if that’s the case.”

I am now assuming based on some reports that we will probably sign Jake Long. Which makes CB now our primary need. It is easier to do a mock draft now:

1. Xavier Rhodes CB
2a. Sam Montgomery/Tank Carradine DE
2b. Barret Jones G
3a. Gavin Escobar TE
3b. Best CB available.

The rest of the draft best BPA. As for the CB position, we may be as strong as last year. Rhodes will replace Smith and the rest of the corners will be the same. Unless Ireland can find a CB nugget in the middle rounds.

On his thoughts of the team potentially pursuing free agent wide receiver Mike Wallace and the potential of the receiving corps -

“I think it’s important. I think we have some good guys but we also have guys, really on the roster, we probably don’t have a ton of depth now. I think Marlon (Moore) is a free agent. We always said, I mean, throughout the year you’re going to have injuries. You need to have at least, I think four receivers that you can depend on. Not saying we can’t depend on the other guys, but that are big play makers to win in this league. It’s a passing league. It is what it is, and I think the more playmakers you can have on a team the more valuable the offense is going to be and it is what it is. It’s just the growth of the NFL.”

OK Finally Got Those Quotes In.

I Hate Hartline, But Dashi Agrees With Everything He Said.

Philbin Is The Man!! And The Fins Need 4 Dependable Wr's!!

DD,

No More Anonymous Sources Calling Players P'ssy!! Or Talking Bad About The Coaches. That Player Is Off The Team.

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