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Moore, Hartline, Starks for Jake Long money

Money matters in the NFL.

Players want as much of it as possible -- and rightfully so. Teams want to horde as much of it as possible-- and rightfully so.

Interestingly, fans often side with players they like or follow and root for more than the teams and are upset when teams let good players walk. Last year, Texans fans were upset Mario Williams was allowed to leave via free agency and right tackle Eric Winston was cut.

In the coming days, many Pittsburgh Steelers fans will be unhappy if Mike Wallace leaves the team, as expected.

And I'm hearing many Dolphins fans, some on this very site, bemoaning the possibility Jake Long will be allowed to walk via free agency because he's been a good player.

Well, the reason let players you like walk is because they make priorities of other players. And sometimes quantity is just as important as quality.

Consider that Long initially considered himself "highest-paid NFL left tackle material" and wanted to maintain his $11 million per year salary he's enjoyed recently if not get a raise. That would have put Long in the $11-$12 million per year salary range.

Then consider what the Dolphins have done the past week on the contract front. They tied up Randy Starks with a one-year $8.45 million franchise tag. They tied up backup QB Matt Moore for a reported $8 million over two years. They re-signed No. 2 wide receiver Brian Hartline for $30.8 million over five years.

That's a total of $47.25 million.

If the Dolphins had met Long's intial contract desires, they would have paid him between $44-$48 million for four years or $55-$60 million for five years.

So the Dolphins got Hartline, Moore, and Starks tied up this year and in Hartline's and Moore's case, for multiple years, for the same money they might have gotten for Long alone.

Obviously, some fans will believe that would have been alright for the right to keep a starting albeit declining left tackle. Some fans will be upset if Long walks.

The Dolphins are happy with what they've done.

“I am excited that we have been able to reach an agreement with both Brian and Matt to keep them as members of the Miami Dolphins,” said Dolphins General Manager Jeff Ireland. “Brian is an ascending player that has steadily improved over his first four years with the organization. He has represented himself positively both on the field and throughout the South Florida community. Matt has been a valuable contributor to the Dolphins ever since he arrived two seasons ago. We are happy we were able to resign him, and we think he combines with Ryan Tannehill and Pat Devlin to give us an outstanding group of quarterbacks."

I believe it wise the Dolphins are likely to let Long test the market. I definitely don't think the guy is worth even $11 million per season. Not when you can get multiple good players for that price."

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WNP doesnt know the difference between a fan and a mindless homer.

Look...The draft is a crap shoot people!!! Not just for us but for every team. Obviously some teams are better at it (like GB & Baltimore) year in & year out but it's still a gamble. Just look at guys like Gates, Turner, & BJ Cunningham. All gone & did nothing. We hit on Hartline in the 4th & instead of letting him sign somewhere else (lots of teams need a Number Two WR & are lacking depth) we decided to keep him.

I'm all in favor of going after Wallace or Jennings & then drafting DeAndre Hopkins but you need multiple WR's who catch the football in a West Coast offense. To NOT keep Hartline who is 26 (27 in November) & just had his best season as a pro would have been crazy. You sign Wallace & draft a WR or two & let's say a guy blows out a knee??? Then what??? Then you have Bess starting & Wallace will be double teamed all day, every day. As much as we needed starters @ WR we needed depth too. Complain all you want but I believe this was a the best move Ireland could have made before FA started

Look at the Packers--they lost Driver to retirement & Jennings is going to hit FA but they still have three guys--Jones, Cobb, & Nelson--& I guarantee you that they will be adding another WR or two early in the drat.

pretty sure a healthy amendola is more attrative in NE than a brian hartline right now...and you could plug a lot of people into that offense and call them a weapon...

certianly worked for gaffney,moss,stallworth,branch, and oh yea that other slot guy that we traded to ne a few years ago in welker i think??!!!

I'm surprised Moore rejected such an opportunity to remain a Dolphin. He may not be elite, but he is still an obvious upgrade over a handful of starters out there. I still believe he could have got either bigger money or a clearer chance to be the starter QB in a different team. I feel grateful for his devotion to Dolphins. Now Ireland has put in Philbin's hands a solid, faithful backup QB; able to seriously strife for the starter spot.

On the other hand if Dolphins want a 1000-yard receiver playing the slot, they have to pay accordingly. I'm not mad at the money we invested in Hartline and I won't get mad as long as we pick a solid #1 prospect early in the draft (and get either Wallace or Jennings from FA). Or -at least- a promising TE like Eiffert...

"WNP doesnt know the difference between a fan and a mindless homer."

Ron,

That's not the case. I'm a fan & I don't give up on a QB after his rookie season. ANYONE who does that is just mindless. Give the kid a freaking chance!!!

The reason we arent scoring is the QB stinks....AGAIN!

Posted by: We Need Playmakers | March 08, 2013 at 02:58 PM

Now that i can agree with you on!!!

It doesnt matter what I think, Philbin is giving Tannehill another chance to show progress. I just dont see him stepping up any more then Henne did.

pretty sure a healthy amendola is more attrative in NE than a brian hartline right now...and you could plug a lot of people into that offense and call them a weapon...

certianly worked for gaffney,moss,stallworth,branch, and oh yea that other slot guy that we traded to ne a few years ago in welker i think??!!!

Superphin,

I like Amendola too but the problem with him is that he can't stay healthy. Obviously Bradford needs WR's so if the Rams aren't keeping their best WR (who is clearly Amendola) what does that tell you???

I fully expect the Rams to be in the hunt for both Wallace &/or Jennings. Lots of team will be which is why not re-signing Hartline would have been a mistake. If we didn't re-sign Hartline & couldn't get Jennings or Wallace then what??? Our offense would be even worse shape than last year going into the draft.

Now Ron,

WNP does make a point on tannehill, hes very raw and if it wasnt for guys like russel, luck, and wilson..tannehill could very well be talked up into a very successful season given the fact he had only 19 starts coming in...yes, he made some dumbass mistakes(EVERY SINGLE ROOKIE DID THAT AT SOME POINT), but the supporting cast didnt exactly scream success to tannehill in his first year compared to those others in his class.....

The guy needs better talent around him because yes he's no brady or manning but that doesnt mean he cant become the next flacco given time!!!

My greatest problem isnt in resigning Hartline in itself. My greatest problem is in how much Ireland signed him for and what it possibly means.

He signed him to #2 wr money. One, Hartline isnt really a #2 wr, he'll do in a pinch. Shula would never have a #2 wr that doesnt get the ball into the endzone.

Two, Ireland signing him at #2 wr pay, that fool Ireland probably thinks this means he doesnt have to draft a wr until 3rd rd. I believe even wr's likes Swope and Bailey may not make it out of the bottom 2nd rd.

By 3rd rd, I doubt any noteworthy #1 or 32 type wr's are still available. There maybe a couple good slot type wr's left. Then again, that makes Hartline indisputable #2. Hes paid far to much not to be a starter.

We are soooooooooooooooo.....screwed!


Posted by: We Need Playmakers | March 08, 2013 at 03:05 PM

I think it could have been just as beneficial to miami to at least have hartline see what his value was outside of miami and what teams valued in him as such...its not like hartline wouldve been the first WR off the market right away...

And even if someone did make an offer, whose to say hartline wouldnt have informed miami and seen if either a counteroffer could be made or not...at least they would have definatly saw where they stood with wallace at that point and other options if need be....I felt like they jumped the shoot here in getting him signed too fast when i think it was very possible to sign him even cheaper...

It doesnt matter what I think, Philbin is giving Tannehill another chance to show progress. I just dont see him stepping up any more then Henne did.

Ron,

How could you possibly know that??? No one does. It's up to Tannehill to do that BUT at least he has coaches that have had success developing QB's before. Maybe Henne could have succeeded if his coaches had a f#cking clue how to develop a QB & put some players around him.

AT LEAST we're giving Tannehill a chance with Philbin & his coaching staff. And keeping Hartline--who is better than people are giving him credit for--is a GREAT way to help Tannehill improve from last year. You want ALL new WR's??? How does that help if you're looking for any contunity???

Yes...We still need a Number 1 WR, a TE, & a RT but I believe there's a better plan in place than there was with Sparano & Henne.

With Don Shula, if a starting wr has only 5 or 6 tds in only 2 yrs, great chance he never sees his 3rd season in Miami.

Yet Ireland signs the same type of wr to #2 starting wr money. Ridiculous. It tells me that he will also screw up the wr draft. I'll be shocked if Ireland signs wallace and drafts a wr with one of the first 3 picks after signing Hartline to a #2 wr contract.

Ireland doesnt want to have egg on his face drafting a wr with one of the 1st 3 picks and that guy beats out Hartline for the #2 starting wr job.

WOW Armando - now THATS what I call fuzzy math.

Starks is 8.5M for 1 year
Hartline is 6M per year
Moore is 4M per year.

The total of those 3 players is 18.5M per year - MUCH more than signing Long at 11M for 1 year. Its nowhere near the same amount.

Your math is as legit as a washington politician.

We still need a #2 wr also.

At present we have a wr that will be getting paid like a #2 wr. Doesnt mean we have one.

Hating On Jake.

Love It!!

You Can Also Say Signing Starks, Hartline, and M&M Will Cost Less Than Signing Mike Wallace!!

But Why Would You Want To Admit That??

Exactly!!

Posted by: Dashi™ | March 08, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Agreed, bad article and unnecessary.

The guy needs better talent around him because yes he's no brady or manning but that doesnt mean he cant become the next flacco given time!!!

Superphin,

That's exactly what I'm saying. Guys like Flacco, Matt Ryan, & Andy Dalton are all good QB's that have had success but they're not elite like Brees or Rodgers or Brady.

Give Tannehill the help he needs & let's see if he can become a good. He has a very good arm, he's a good athlete, he's a smart kid, & he's extremely tough. If he can become 'good' then we'll compete.

draft picks, draft picks, draft picks!
trade moore for more draft picks, let FA's long, smith and bush walk so we can get more draft picks for 2014
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Another Safety out there in FA.

Posted by: RickD | March 08, 2013 at 03:17 PM

Armando intentionally did this way because he knows Starks is only on the books for 1yrs and Moore 2yrs.

But he wanted to put it all together putting Long on the books for 4-5yrs.

Its called cooking the stats to match your agenda.

STFU YG,
You dont know your arse from a hole in the ground.
So seriusly, stop talking football and go somewhere else. The blog wil be a better place for it.
Jackass

Next up--sign Garner for his versatility to play multiple positions on the O-line.

Posted by: We Need Playmakers | March 08, 2013 at 03:24 PM

Usually when the mailbox is full, its mostly junkmail. Be careful what you wish for.

Garner my ass! The Pats beat him like a drum in the season finale. If you have to use him more than 3 games a year at any position, he becomes hot garbage.

Only thing I have for Garner is the cut list.

Well said Armando.

YG, you keep talking about Shula. The guy who had the BEST QB IN FOOTBALL (at the time) and couldn't field a team around him to win a SB.

Yeah, I'll pass on his so-called brilliance! This isn't 1972. NEXT!

Look like pretty good values--With another year after injury and with Tanney, Hartline should remain a solid contributor/#2--NOT an insult, and this does not stop us from going after other WR's. Starks is good value and Moore has been reliable and loyal and avoids us needing to use a draft pick on possible QB (I would really like to know what they think about Devlin). Long and Bush deserve many kudo's but are not worth the $$$ from the Fins that they will be seeking. We can still go all FA in for Wallace (have preferred over Jennings, with especially now with Hartline on board) and maybe a Bennett for TE and still have reasonable cash and number of picks. Miami has to be seen in a number of ways as a more attractive place than in the past to draw FA's to play--better team leadership, taxes, weather, bikini's. Yeah--Pat's the barrier (certainly not the J-E-R-K-S or Bills). If we don't get Wallace we keep the $$$ to use. Maybe even trade up for need? WR's, OL, LB, pass rush, DB's, TE (not in order). Many needs still and the draft is the way for this team to build. The team has been helped by keeping solid palyers and can still add a lot. Ireland's make or break year but we are in position to make noise in FA and draft process (so why isn't he getting some credit for the team being in this position?) Also more time digging out from the mess left by Tuna and others. Tuesday will be interesting!

I still think we will draft a wr in the 2nd rd. I agree with WNP, the draft is a crap should and you've got to have a back-up plan.

I think what some of you guys are getting hung up on is you keep saying the Dolphin's are prepping for 2014, and their not. The don't want a whole bunch of question marks, like having to count on 4 or 5 rookies in starting positions or important roles like back up qb.

They are gearing up to win NOW. Maybe in your heads your thinking planning for 2 years out is a more sound plan and it may be, but Irealnd can't take the risk.

There are too many of us that can't take another losing season and I don't think Irealnd would survive one either.

I think all these signings are good news and like an earlier poster said, I wouldn't totally rule Long out yet either.

Chris Clemons, testing the market. And some of you are poo-poohing Ireland's approach. HOGWASH! If Clemons is allowed to walk, that's the best move he's made in YEARS!

Garner my ass! The Pats beat him like a drum in the season finale. If you have to use him more than 3 games a year at any position, he becomes hot garbage.

Only thing I have for Garner is the cut list.

YG,

First of all he's a FA so you can't cut him.

BTW--I didn't say he's necessarily a starter but he can fill in at any position along the O-line. Injuries happen & having a player like him on your team is extremely valuable.

So they paid Matt Moore 4 million a season but won't pay Bush 5 mil per season, thats Crazy our offense will suck again, we will never have a winning season until Ireland is gone!!!!

Chris Clemons, testing the market. And some of you are poo-poohing Ireland's approach. HOGWASH! If Clemons is allowed to walk, that's the best move he's made in YEARS!

The Safety position is flooded in FA. This is the one position (& maybe TE if we go Bennett or B. Myers) where we don't have to overspend to get a good player.

It is kinda funny shula built a running team to establish himself in miami then threw it all out the window to replace it with Air marino. Oh well. YG hartline's deal isn't that big a deal. You said he is getting paid because of the Ari game. Well that's also the game that opened our opponents DC's eyes to him and they starting game planning him.Miami had to resign him before anyone else could talk to and entice him to leave.Now ireland can focus on one less thing. Plus have you ever played qb?Qb's love having wr's they have chemistry with ( bess and hartline). They don't want their wr's constantly churned. Ask danny boy about that during the late 90's.I

WNP, EXACTLY! Plus Clemons wasn't a playmaker either, we can do better.

So they paid Matt Moore 4 million a season but won't pay Bush 5 mil per season, thats Crazy our offense will suck again, we will never have a winning season until Ireland is gone!!!!

Scott,

He's a QB not a part time RB. Enough with Bush, Long, & Smith already!!! I can't remember the last time we had three players who were this overrated by the fans.

We need to draft or sign FA"S to help us score points otherwise it will be a 6-10 season next year or worse

"WNP, EXACTLY! Plus Clemons wasn't a playmaker either, we can do better."

This why he kicked the tires on Charles Woodson. Not that I expect Woodson to come to Miami at this stage in his career but I like that Ireland is AT LEAST looking for a someone who can force turnovers.

"We need to draft or sign FA"S to help us score points otherwise it will be a 6-10 season next year or worse"

Scott,

I believe we will.

For Longs money we can get 2 maybe 3 more good to great team players including a left tackle. Get a good tackle at 5-6 million, there are 3, get an experienced back for 3 or 4 million and 2 million left to spend on a couple of good special teams players. In Miami you can make good money and be part of a winner or you can go to Buffalo or the Jets and take you chances.
This team will be a winner soon.

He was a 1000-yard wideout in an offense with a rookie QB, shaky OL play, and ZERO deep threat.

That's actually pretty damn impressive. They did not overpay.

Posted by: the real world | March 08, 2013 at 02:08 PM

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Wow. A perfectly reasonable, intelligent, and spot-on post here. VERY rare!

Unless Philbin and Sherman think Tannehill is sitting this year that is way too much cap space for a backup. Maybe they're projecting Moore as the starter?


Blog explodes in 3...2...1
:)

John Claytons story on free agency on espn.com is pretty good.

Yeah, because we all know Howard Twilley was just an unstoppable scoring machine.

You know, Shula's STARTING wide-receiver that he 'obviously' would have sent packing.

What you know about actual Dolphins history would fit in a thimble, YG.

Darkoak,

This is a new day in the NFL. With the new CBA, rookie-contracted QBs make peanuts. Teams now have the ability to pay a little more to keep a good backup (and they are usually making more than the starter until the starter gets a new contract). Just the new way of the NFL. I like it personally. Why should a vet who's earned his stripes make less than a rookie who's still a question mark (even if the rookie is starting)? Vets are the ones that deserve more money because they've put in the time.

So think of it that way. Instead of paying one guy 15mil (like an elite QB), you're paying 2 guys maybe 6/yr. Until 1 proves he's the frachise QB and gets paid. That's how it works now.

You make good points DC and of all positions to justify a high paid vet backup it's QB.

Strange that Matt Moore move was. He is not the type of QB that fits a WCO that Philbin is trying to install. Expect developments with him later on.

This is a new day in the NFL. With the new CBA, rookie-contracted QBs make peanuts. Teams now have the ability to pay a little more to keep a good backup (and they are usually making more than the starter until the starter gets a new contract). Just the new way of the NFL. I like it personally. Why should a vet who's earned his stripes make less than a rookie who's still a question mark (even if the rookie is starting)? Vets are the ones that deserve more money because they've put in the time.

So think of it that way. Instead of paying one guy 15mil (like an elite QB), you're paying 2 guys maybe 6/yr. Until 1 proves he's the frachise QB and gets paid. That's how it works now.

DC,

Great post.

I'm very happy with the moves Ireland has done so far.

Not that I hate Long, but giving him $11m per year is not good business.

You are wasting your time. Even if you don't publish them you have to read them. And they will impact you.

No one ever won teh KY Derby with Donkeys, translation you need HORSES. PHINS Need Horses, Long is a horse but not at that $ WInston or Cherilius @ RT with Martin at left

So think of it that way. Instead of paying one guy 15mil (like an elite QB), you're paying 2 guys maybe 6/yr. Until 1 proves he's the frachise QB and gets paid. That's how it works now.

Posted by: DC Dolfan | March 08, 2013 at 04:27 PM

Very good point DC...

Kinda happened by accident in Seattle, but it does appear smarter teams are catching the new drift.

Wow, imagine that. The Dolphins making smart moves...

And looking to be somewhat ahead of the curve.

dare i say it but ireland doing one hell of a job so far

Today, if I was GM, I would be trying to get the following players in FA. All of them fit into the Ireland criteria.
1. Wallace WR
2. Grimes CB
3. Quin. Safety
4. Winston Tackle
5. Bennett Tight End.
Those would be my targets to improve this team.

No one ever won teh KY Derby with Donkeys, translation you need HORSES. PHINS Need Horses, Long is a horse but not at that $ WInston or Cherilius @ RT with Martin at left

Dee,

Agreed. If we can get a RT like Winston & somehow land Wallace then FA would be a HR.

Obviously we still need CB's, a SS, TE, & another WR but signing a RT & a Number 1 would give us the ability take multiple DB's in the draft & we still have plenty of picks to find a TE & another WR.

Oh!, you revising the commentaries thoroughly before publishing them. Nothing to fear from me, you know that.

winston was very good at run blocking last year but was horrible at pass protection

at least we have a solid backup now that Tanny's blindside is sure to send him to the bench a couple times next season. But Mando's right, Jake's too expensive.

we have to find 2 legit starting corners or we will be in big trouble

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