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Polian on Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings

Former four-time NFL Executive of the Year Bill Polian got on a conference with the media this week and the ESPN analyst gave his opinion about varying issues regarding free agency and the draft.

One point he made is that when he was with the Colts, the team studied the success rate of free agency and came away with the idea that 50 percent of free agents are successes and, obviously, 50 percent do not succeed with their new teams.

Polian has no idea which player will fall into what specific category but he judging by what he said about receiver Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings, one gets the feeling he likes the Pittsburgh player over the Green Bay veteran.

"The question of Wallace is that he is the guy who meets all of the parameters that you'd like," Polian said. "He is productive. He has great speed, which is always something that is desirable in a receiver.  He falls within the reasonable age parameters and he hasn't had a high history of injury.

"When you look at all of the things that you use to try to decide whether or not you want to pursue a player, he checks every box with few question marks. There was some issue as to how effective his hands were this year. I don't think it was a major issue, so there you have it. We'll see where the market goes. He's not 6'2" and 220 pounds, so that may be a consideration for some teams.

"But, in terms of the red flags that would cause you to turn away, he doesn't have many.  He's a guy that most people will feel is pretty desirable but, again only the market will tell. This is in many ways like an IPO. There is a lot of discussion, there is a lot of analysis, but only the market will tell you whether it's going to go or not."

And Jennings? Is he worth the $10 million per season he is reportedly shooting for in free agency? And is he even a No. 1 receiver anymore?

"Well, worth is in the eye of the beholder," Polian said. "He's got two things that sort of mitigate against a huge contract:  One is an injury history and the other is that he's 30 years of age and relief receivers, and I would categorize him as one, tend to begin to turn down at about 33 or 34.

"So, how long a contract do you give him, and what is his potential to continue to play at a high level, given the injury and age history?  Each individual club has its own individual metrics that would tell them that, and so I think that that's where it's going to go. I'm as anxious as you are to see who may step up for him.

"But there are two concerns.  There are clubs, we were one of them, that said if a guy's 27 years of age or above, we're probably not going to go for a long-term deal at big money. But if you feel you're one quality receiver away and the physical exam turns out to be okay, you might do it.  Again, that is what makes free agency interesting."

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I am surprised there is not more talk about Victor Cruz. He and Wallace would give us great speed. But with Hartline supposedly coming back, I guess thats out of the picture. If we can't sign Wallace, I would rather check on Percy Harvin than settle on Jennings. 30 is rather old when our QB is 15.

Good morning to all the Dolphins fans around the world, I still can't get over the potential Hartline deal 6-6.5:mil wow !! As for Wallace&Jennings goes, if I had my choice I'd take Jennings over Wallace. Jennings knows the system, plus you draft a K.Allen and a Q.Patton and this offense will be good to go !!

I like Wallace , we need polian instead of Ireland just saying

I would be shocked if Ireland spent 6-6.5 million per year for Hartline and 11-12 million for Wallace. That's about 18 million a year plus Bess' contract and a potential TE in free agency and maybe Fasano.

It would be interssting, but I don't seee it.

I will say if Hartline is resigned, Jennings will not be signed.

Now that Hartline is almost resigned (great news by the way),if somehow we lose out on getting Wallace,i just hope Ireland doesn't become too desperate and way overpay for Jennings.

Dont get me wrong,Jennings could help our team but by all accounts,he wants $10-12M a year which is crazy for a guy his age. He's also injury prone which worries me.

If Jennings doesn't accept $6M a year and Wallace signs elsewhere,focus on the draft because there's no other free agent WR good enough to help this team.

Jennings should be offered and incentive laiden contract. None of this guaranteed money.

I really want Jennings in FA. I don't believe Wallace can live up to a 12 million dollar contract. That extra few million could help us sign another FA as well.

I really think this is going to come down to Philbin. When they meet Mike Wallace, he better impress the hell out Joe Philbin. I think Joe's input on the type of WR he wants will be answered here.

no thanks on jennings and the decline hes on. give me wallace and open this offense up and spread it out

only 6 more days and all this Wallace and Jennings talk will end. At least we'll know in any case. My guess is we don't land Wallace. I think Wallace goes to the highest bidder.

Also, I can't believe the Patsies are thinking of letting Welker go in FA and replacing him with Amendola. How can that be true? I would love to see that happen and not have to defend that guy 2x per year.

amendola is damn good and i wish miami would of gone after him. players can talk to teams starting march 9 so we will know before the 12th where most are going

I don't see the fins being outbid for Wallace. If we don't get him it will because he takes less to play for another team. If we don't get Wallace, a trade for harvin or some other high end receiver would be next up. We would still have to pay harvin a boatload of $ as well. There is no way Ireland relies solely on the draft to fix our receiver issues. There is little chance of finding an impact rookie receiver and if Ireland doesn't win this year he is done.

I actually have a nasty feeling the Patriots will let Welker go and then trade up for Tavon Austin. Would be an ideal replacement imo.

MIAMI DOLFANS PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT CHARACTER GOES A LONG WAY. CHARACTER WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE MAKER IN THIS FREE AGENCY PROCESS TO ACQUIRE GREG JENNINGS OR MIKE WALLACE. MIKE WALLACE MAY NOT BE MATURE TO EVEN DEAL WITH THE SOUTH FLORIDA ATTRACTION OF OFF THE FIELD NONSENSE.

no chance pats draft offense, they will rebuild the secondary

Mike Wallace, come on down!!!!

Amendola = the Hartline of the Rams.....

best of crap receivers....

If you want Tanne throwing into tight coverage with little to know separation....then by all means...campaign for a Hartline/Amendola receiving corps....

Kris...Couldn't agree more...Amendola...Please...

#1....lol....

100 percent disagree kris. amendola is damn good. but lets hope we get wallace cause fins wont go after the cheaper amendola thats for the pats

Not sure Tavon is going to make it past 15 in the draft. How far are the Patsies willing to move up?

In 4 years Amendola played a whole season once. Last year he broke his collar bone and had a foot injury missing 5 games. In 2011 he played one game after dislocating his elbow. He seems fragile or injury prone the Pats can have him.

This is a deep draft in o-linemen and pass rushers...So logic would suggest the Dolphins should get 2 starters in FA, one at the WR position and the other one a Corner...But logic and Jeff Ireland don't often get mentioned in the same sentence...

Year Bill Polian's analysis of those too receivers could be summed up with two words... "who knows".

Dusty...agree on Wallace....that is the man we need.....

But it can't be a Marshall situation....one STUD wr....and no one else....Ireland has got to understand this lesson that he and we all learned the hard way....

fins need so much. so take the best player regardless

Victor Cruz has not been relevant for too long. He also has Eli Manning throwing to him. He's the type of player I see moving on to another team and not producing as he did with the Giants. Product of a good system and QB.

Kris...Agreed at 8:04AM...But Marshall and Wallace are very different WRs...Wallace has blazing speed, so it would open things up underneath for guys like Bess and Hartline...It would also help our running game big time...That's the reason why I've been posting the Dolphins should re-sign Reggie Bush...

well kris hartline, wallace,bess,drafted wr could be solid. cruz is very good but pointless to talk about, hes a giant regardless with 1st rd tag on him

#1...

we have both been beaten the drums on Bush....I can't figure out why Ireland doesn't get him locked up and make this team a formidable offense (assuming we get Wallace and Finely...or a Finely type TE).....

I don't think Bush needs to be that every down back...but him and Miller in some 2 back sets with the threat of the screen or check down makes for an "O" that DC will have to game plan for.....

agree...Cruz is NOT worth a 1st rder.....

Nice receiver....but not 1st rd nice....

bush isnt even a topic anymore, hes 100 percent gone and im glad. good luck in detroit bush. its miller time!

If you want Tanne throwing into tight coverage with little to know separation....then by all means...campaign for a Hartline/Amendola receiving corps....

Posted by: Kris | March 06, 2013 at 07:49 AM

Thank you Kris! I was hot having to be the only person at work in this area, but you made my day with this post. I'm still laughing!

Kris, I know...I don't understand the thing with Bush...He's been productive, he has great work ethic, brings awesomwe leadership to a young team...Rushed for over 1000 yards...Still scores touchdowns...He's really the only weapon we have on offense...And yet it looks like he's going to leave...That's the Dolphins of the last 10 years...One step forward, 2 steps backwards...As soon as someone is good, let's get rid of him...And Miller...Please...Yeah, he might be good enough to start...But what's wrong with keeping Bush??? If you want to get rid of a RB, get rid of that stiff Thomas...The guy is the slowest RB ever...Keith Byars in his prime was faster in the open field than Thomas...And he was a FB...No wonder we always average 6, 7 wins a year...

kris nobody was wanting hartline-amendola,lol. guessing ur refering to me. i wanted amendola/wallace. amendola is a great nfl player and cheaper than hartline. let wallace open up rest of field. would love those 2

i should say probaly cheaper, cause if welker walks pats ready to offer the bank to amendola

What do you guys think about Wallace and maybe like a Miles Austin? I know, I don't want any former Cowboys either, but Austin is a capable guy. Last couple years he's had injuries, but he's still under 30, might come cheaper than Hartline. Or fukk, keep all 3 and Bess and grab a guy in the 2nd round and now you might have a WR corps worth paying attention to.

We'll see how you feel about that in NOV Dusty....

montreal if u have a replacement waiting for bush that makes nothing why pay bush to be a third down back 6 mill a year? makes no sense

I like Austin....and a few years back (due to injury) he became the #1 by default...and handled the duties well....

dam...i just described Hartline's season this year.....nah on Austin....just keep Hartline if all things are equal....

dc austin isnt available

feel about what? wont matter to us cause we will have wrs bess, hartline, and some drafted kid. while wallace catches deep balls from cam and amedola avg 12 catches a game for pats

dusty, Miller hasn't proven anything yet, so to say he's Reggie Bush is a lie...And even if he is, you NEVER have too many weapons on offense, especially the Dolphins offense, which sucks...And let me tell you something else...Everybody seems to be sure, including yourself, that we're the ones getting Wallace...Well, I hate to tell you, but it's far from being a done deal. Lots of teams will be after him and we'll be lucky if we do sign him. I think our chances are at about 25%... I would bet Reggie would take 5 million to stay in Miami...He loves South Florida...This is a big mistake...

Would like to pay 6 mill to Hartline(I like Hatline a lot) or a 35 years old Steve Smith? I think Jenning in the wright system can be helpfull for the next 3 years. I say sign Jennings to 3 years 27 mill. (17 Garantee)

never said he was bush, sure hope hes not. bush career been a huge disappointment. miller can actually run between the tackles and in the 4th quarter

Tough decision for the Irish Man(another one). Polian points out some good things about Wallace and why he should be signed. Hmm... Probably, it will come down to whether Ireland thinks Philbin can work with Wallace and up to what point.

never said once i was sure we were getting wallace. in fact i think we have the slimest shot at him, he wil be a panther or brown.

Agree with #!....you can NEVER have to many weapons....

B/More ans SAN Fran just trot out star after star each play....

Man....Singletary is NEVER gonna get another Head Coaching gig....

Can't run between the tackles??? That's exactly what he's been doing in Miami...And look at the numbers...What have you been watching dude??? You don't want to pay Reggie 5 million a year but you want to spend $$$$ on Amendola, who's just another Hartline version but gets injured more often...God you make NO SENSE....I swear you were smarter when you were posting under bill connors...Go back to him please...

san fran? dont have many weapons. wr core is awful. davis and gore solid. smith sucked balls.

#1, yet they back up the Brinks truck for Randy Starks. Ireland is making me nervous.

Still agreeing with #1.....who is getting fired up.....

montreal u just basically told me u dont watch the fins games. they stretch bush out all the time. yes they attempt to run between some tackles to which bush had a league worse yards per carry in those plays. and lead league in negative runs between tackles. injured? bush has played a full year once. dude come out of your cave. making yourself look foolish. 5 mill for a third down back, hilarious

mark keep being nervous, ireland has sucked from day one. guy should of been fired years ago

lol @ dusty....

Don't forget the QB...and the QB who was traded....Crabtree...like Dez...needs time to develop....he will come into his own....team is stacked....

and lets not get started with the D....

Agree totally with Montreal's assessment of Bush situation. Proof that Ireland is a joke. letting our only true playmaker go. Miller is unproven

the d is off the charts which makes the offense look so much better for them kris. and yeah they finally got some idiot team to trade for smith

Saw a lot of Bush dancing behind the line and losing yards rather than hitting the hole and picking up even 2 yards. Maybe he and the O line fitted into Sporano's Run the ball scheme and that is why he was able to get 1000 yards. Another issue to look at is why did Sean Peyton let him go if he was such an offensive weapon. Bush is welcome back at the right price and if he can play Philbins system. Holes are opened up for a split second and the RB needs to hit that hole, if he does not hit it on time the O line need to hold their blocks longer and that kills the up tempo pace Philbin wants to play at.

I'm just saying...It's going to be hard to see you guys so befuddled when this Wallace signing doesn't happen. I can hear the fireland nuts now saying how bad Ireland is and on and on. The only reason he has to come here for is money and that's not always enough. I say 20% chance.

with tannehennes constant over throws,jennings would last 1/4 'till he is pummeled for trying to reach/catch 1 of his paxxes and will be sidelined 4 8 games.wallace can at least out run the d and not get contact.
lol

Mark....

I don't think the move to Franchise Starks was terrible....I think that if you were gonna use the tag....then he was the ONLY viable option.....

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