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Polian on Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings

Former four-time NFL Executive of the Year Bill Polian got on a conference with the media this week and the ESPN analyst gave his opinion about varying issues regarding free agency and the draft.

One point he made is that when he was with the Colts, the team studied the success rate of free agency and came away with the idea that 50 percent of free agents are successes and, obviously, 50 percent do not succeed with their new teams.

Polian has no idea which player will fall into what specific category but he judging by what he said about receiver Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings, one gets the feeling he likes the Pittsburgh player over the Green Bay veteran.

"The question of Wallace is that he is the guy who meets all of the parameters that you'd like," Polian said. "He is productive. He has great speed, which is always something that is desirable in a receiver.  He falls within the reasonable age parameters and he hasn't had a high history of injury.

"When you look at all of the things that you use to try to decide whether or not you want to pursue a player, he checks every box with few question marks. There was some issue as to how effective his hands were this year. I don't think it was a major issue, so there you have it. We'll see where the market goes. He's not 6'2" and 220 pounds, so that may be a consideration for some teams.

"But, in terms of the red flags that would cause you to turn away, he doesn't have many.  He's a guy that most people will feel is pretty desirable but, again only the market will tell. This is in many ways like an IPO. There is a lot of discussion, there is a lot of analysis, but only the market will tell you whether it's going to go or not."

And Jennings? Is he worth the $10 million per season he is reportedly shooting for in free agency? And is he even a No. 1 receiver anymore?

"Well, worth is in the eye of the beholder," Polian said. "He's got two things that sort of mitigate against a huge contract:  One is an injury history and the other is that he's 30 years of age and relief receivers, and I would categorize him as one, tend to begin to turn down at about 33 or 34.

"So, how long a contract do you give him, and what is his potential to continue to play at a high level, given the injury and age history?  Each individual club has its own individual metrics that would tell them that, and so I think that that's where it's going to go. I'm as anxious as you are to see who may step up for him.

"But there are two concerns.  There are clubs, we were one of them, that said if a guy's 27 years of age or above, we're probably not going to go for a long-term deal at big money. But if you feel you're one quality receiver away and the physical exam turns out to be okay, you might do it.  Again, that is what makes free agency interesting."

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HARTLINE AND BESS NEEDS TO GO.

I'm GOOD WITH WALLACE OR JENNINGS BUT THESE TWO HARTLINE OR BESS I COULD DO WITHOUT.

CATCH. DOWN 0 YAC

CATCH. DOWN 0 YAC

JEFF YOU SAID PLAY MAKERS.

WHAT PLAY WAS MADE BY EITHER ONE OF THESE GUYS.

IF YOU KEEP THESE TWO BUMS IT's GOING BACK INTO THE SAME THING WITH BRANDON MARSHALL.

YOU WILL LOSE YOUR JOB KEEPING HARTLINE.

HARTLINE IS NOT A 1, 2 OR 3 WR MAYBE HE's A 4. MAYBE

I WILL ALWAYS BE A DOLPHIN's FAN EVEN AFTER YOU LOSE YOUR JOB BECAUSE OF RESIGNING HARTLINE.

HARTLINE AND BESS ARE WEAK AND THEY're MAKING THE TEAM WEAK.

LOOKING AT THIS TEAM TOP TO BOTTOM THEY ARE THE SOFT.

THE MOST FINNESS DOLPHIN TEAM I COULD REMEMBER.

I WAS THINKING THAT WE WERE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

BUT THIS IS A CHANCE TO FIX THE HARTLINE DRAFT PICK AND YOU WANNA GIVE 6 MILLION FOR 1 TD?

I DON't THINK HE HAD 6 TDs IN HIS CAREER.

WHAT 3 YEARS AND NOT OVER 6 TDs.

AND HE's GETTING 6 MILLION.

WOW. LOL

AND YOU PEOPLE ARE OK WITH THIS $HIT.

PEOPLE UNTIL YOU CAN SEE WHAT BETTER TEAMS AND PLYERS LOOK LIKE WE WILL ALWAYS LOSE.

6 MILLION FOR 3 YAC AVERAGE AND 6 TDs IN HIS LIFE.

IT STILLS PAYS TO BE WHITE.

A MILLION A TD. LOL.


I'm not sure about big contracts for star players. If you're one piece away and manage the cap to win now at the cost of the future it might be worth it. Otherwise...

If Tannehill has the potential to be a top 10-12 QB it will not be for another 3 years. No superbowl until then. How good will Wallace be in 3 years? How much damage to the cap? I'd rather bring in a WR like Amendola at a lower cost, get a free aent BD, move up in the draft if its right and develop our own star players. Remember you can't build a winner in one season. There will be more WRs in free agency and the draft next year, do we really want Wallace filling that cap space?

dusty, bill connors, what were you watching 2 years go??? Remember Tony Sparano???? That was his offense, run between the tackles...Bush rushed for over 1000 yards...Hello??????????? Fukkk are yout that dumb??? 3rd down back?? Miller hasn't proven anything yet...What if he gets hurt in training camp??? Bush will be gone...Who's your RB?? Daniel Thomas???? Even if Miller turns out to be a very good RB, paying 5 million for a guy who can take it to the house everytime he's on the field is not that much you idiot...Hell, we're going to give Hartline 6 or 6.5 a year and he scores a TD once or twice a year...It's all about scoring TDs in football, that's the goal...Remember? And guess what...That's what Reggie Bush does...Duuhh...

K.Allen-Q.Patton with Wallace or Jennings!=PLAYOFFS fellas !!

HIRE POLIAN FOR GM!! ROSS WAKE UP FROM YOUR COMA!

You know I love the speed of Wallace but just because he's 4 years younger & didn't deal with a injury last year like Jennings did dosen't make him a better reciever. Greg Jennings has been a bonified #1 WR for his entire 7 years in the NFL. Mike Wallace hasn't ever played like a #1 WR & he dosen't offer the same benifits we'd get with signing Jennings. So despite how much more glamorous Wallace's speed & age attract people I'd rather go with the 4 yr safe pick of Jennings for the single digit contract rather than Wallace at the guaranteed 12 mil.

Why is no one discussing how easy it would be to address RB in the draft?

Reggie Bush is the entire offense. The only playmaker on the roster. The face of the franchise. There is PLENTY of cap room. NUFF SAID!

2 years ago,lol u were 20 lbs less 2 years ago. we also need to remember we have huge holes at both corner postions. just finished reading more of your garbage, bush take it to the house every time, laughing so hard im crying over that one. that was hilarious. reggie has never scored over 8 times in any season u fool. least act like u watch nfl before spewing your garbage. nfl rbs dime a dozen, have been for years. wake up its 2013 nfl not 1991 ground and pound. canada must not get good coverage, ehh

Get over Bush, the only play that sticks out in my mind with him is that 60 yarder he busted losose for against the Bills in 2011 he's a one big play a game rb an thats it. Hopefully they realize they are going NOWHERE without SOLIDIFYING THE OFFENSIVE LINE . Sign Wallace and LeVitre then draft some young CBs and WRs early and hope one of the TEs falls to you as well in the first 2 rds. Then get some kind of OLINE guy that really fits our Zone scheme and hope he's good enough to fill any other hole that may leave on the line. All the playmakers in the league wont makea difference if they do.t secure the OLINE (ask Arron Rodgers)..... But yes they do still need at least one of the WRs Jennings or Wallace and I'd like to see them get Dustin Keller, he'd probably be more healthy as most FAs have been in Miami due to us not having or practicing on TURF and he'd be descently cheaper and most likely the begger playmaker if healthy. But they would also still need Fassano with Egnew seemingly a bust. Either way they go Playmaker wise I dont think any of it will matter if they dont solidify the OLINE. Even if that means drafting early to do so.

cause hireland everyone knows u can find rbs in any round every year. so easy to replace

Irescum adressing the RB poition is squandering 3 picks on a D Thomas! LMFAO!

j phil didn't* get along w/ jennings @ gb so he ain't going to camp davie.

te ertz in draft is who i would like. but if finley became available or maybe fred davis even i wouldnt be mad

There are more than enough speed reievers in the draft to fill the stretch the field reciever spot. Miami needs to concentrate on the sure thing type of WR & thats Greg Jennings. Signing Mike Wallace for 5 or 6 years & 12 million per year would be a major backfire if that contract dosent translate to the field. Wallace is more about glamor than he is a prototypical #1WR, Jennings on the other hand IS A PURE #1WR.

jennings isnt a one anymore old and fragile

forget 'bout jennings.

.Hell, we're going to give Hartline 6 or 6.5 a year and he scores a TD once or twice a year...It's all about scoring TDs in football, that's the goal...Remember? And guess what...That's what Reggie Bush does...Duuhh...

Posted by: #1 Dolphin Fan in Montreal | March 06, 2013 at 08:56 AM
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LOL @ #1......

Dusty...what else is there to really say.....one guy can score from ANYWHERE on the field...the other has 3 TDs in 4 years.....oh....and then you want his clone (Amendola) to replace him.....

Steve Tasker only worked because he had Andre Reed (Wallace) getting all the coverage...and Thurman Thomas (Reggie Bush) as a threat to score from anywhere....

Who says I want to ground and pound?? You're making that up you fool...I never said that...As a matter a fact, I think it's the wrong way to use Reggie Bush...Whatever...Let's spend on Amendola and let Reggie go...LOL!!! I'll bet you Reggie will score more TDs than Amendola...Honestly dusty, you were much smarter when you posted as bill connors...Why the name change anyway??? That's like very childish...You think people may actually believe you're smarter under a different name? LOL!!!!

Hey, GB doesnt want Jennings.

Reggie is Tannehill's safety outlet.

Anyway, time to go to work...I'm out.


The Bengals have a similar cap situation to us but they're contenders and in a 'win now situation'. In the play offs the last two years, 3rd year QB and throwing to Green and Wallace? Could take them to a SB.

Baltimore and Pittsburgh are in transition. the Bengals should win the AFC north and if they get either Wallace or Jennings (probably a better option since in a couple of years will have to pay Atkins, Green and Dalton) they could get a 1st rd bye.

The dolphins are two or three years behind the Bengals (despite beating them last season). Its not time to take on a huge contract for someone like Wallace. Build through the next two drafts and then spend big if we're one player away from an SB.

Pete, Ireland cant build thru the draft.

I would just re-sign Hartline and then go from there. I would rather have wallace at 12m/year than jennings at 10m/year.

Kris, then don't use the tag. When you are a team that is long on pluggers, and short on perimiter playmakers on both offense and defense, you do not make a run stuffing DT your 2nd highest paid player. The beauty of the cap situation is that it was an opportunity to re-mold and re-shape. The money would've been better spent going towards a CB, DE, WR, FS, or OT.

Spitting out $8.4M in one chunk is no joke for any team regardless of cap situation.

Our three highest paid players are Dansby, Soliai, and Starks. Good players but the kind fo players they are should speak volumes as to why we can't score.

dusty, I thought Austin was a FA? Did they re-sign him already?

montreal i know u can read so maybe jus use better judgement. i never said u wanted ground and pound u silly sob, what works in your bedroom stays there. kris pretty sure u would agree its much easier to score tds as a rb then wr, cant compare the 2.

What is a Relief Receiver? a Security Blanket Receiver?

austin isnt a free agent, they had talked about cutting him at one pt but jones said no

that was about kris, who is actually objective and talks normal. montreal dude is hopeless, comparing tds from a rb to wr .

Posted by: JUSTIN CREDIBLE | March 06, 2013 at 08:54 AM

Agree, just not with all the caps! Hartline was a mistake. he not worth more than 4 mil. honestly heonly get that cause of the numbers he put last year. But a WR that put up several 0 catch 0 yard games. Would have rather resigning bush and lining him up at WR full time. I think Hartline is a nice guy to bring back however many ppl argument is to give tanne some consistent WR (we was 7-9 again) I would rather be different......2CHAINZ. GM SOD doesn't do this move.

You know I love the speed of Wallace but just because he's 4 years younger & didn't deal with a injury last year like Jennings did dosen't make him a better reciever. Greg Jennings has been a bonified #1 WR for his entire 7 years in the NFL. Mike Wallace hasn't ever played like a #1 WR & he dosen't offer the same benifits we'd get with signing Jennings. So despite how much more glamorous Wallace's speed & age attract people I'd rather go with the 4 yr safe pick of Jennings for the single digit contract rather than Wallace at the guaranteed 12 mil.

Posted by: Rick | March 06, 2013 at 08:58 AM

Thank you, GM SOD appove this message. Wallace Route running is questionable so are his hands. (question about ability are bad questions). Lines up on the number 2 corner for the most part

Jennings Question of age and durability, not how good he is. YAC, good hands, and nice Route running. Roasting Number 1 corners since rogers freshman year

Mark...

EXCELLENT post @ 9:16....of course a #'s guy would crunch the #'s....and you're right....they don't add up.....

I was all for NOT using the tag.....but I understood why Starks got it....after reading your post....I'm back on the "shouldn't have used it" kick....

But I won't bash Ireland for this one....i'm to close to the fence....

I agree with Montreal the only guy the defense had to account for on offense Bush probably will be low balled by the Dolphins. How can Milelr with his limited experience last year all of a sudden go from not playing to being the starter full time??

Bush had 1000 yards, made some explosive plays and scored some TD. Please cut D Thomas who sucks and is injury prone and sign Bush.

Dusty....

I think its fair to compare Wr to Rb for TD production....

when we weigh Bush's production against Hartline's...you think its unfair because there is no comparison....

but what if we did Wallace's 24 TD against Bush's.....then you might not be so against the idea....am i right.....


Jay,

Perhaps Ireland can't build through the draft. He's failed alot but he's also drafted Pouncy, Tannehill, Miller, Martin and Thomas. He was involved in drafting Hartline in the 3rd rd, Bess undrafted etc.
Most of these players have a lot to prove but they don't look like bad picks just now.

I don't mind if Ireland has messed up in the past. The question is, can he learn from it? We'll start to find out in September.

24 tds? over a career? lol rbs basically every time will score more tds than wrs but u already knew that

bush is also injury prone. and he didnt even get to 100 yards which isnt much anyways. miller has year of exp, maybe wash should of said that last year with morris also right? rbs arent hard to find. why pay 5 mill for him. we need corners badly

his career is only 4 years in the making Dusty.....with a RED SHIRT year....

seems pretty good to me.....

Kris, he still has time to win me back but part of me will always wonder if Starks is just a luxury and not a necessity. I mean, he's a tough dude and I know other teams don't like messing with him. He's just nasty.

But $8.4M goes most of the way towards paying Antoine Cason, Cary Williams, Paul Kruger, Dustin Keller, jared Cook, Andre Smith, etc, etc.

I love Starks as a player not saying he isn't worth the money for one second but the days of needing to tie up money in Bowens and Gardner or Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa was a long time ago. It's a question of resource allocation.

i like wallace kris, def not bashing him. do i think we get him, no. wallace scores a td every 1.97 games, bush every 1.90 games. bush has never been a goaline carry rb either.

Sorry Dusty...but Morris is the EXCEPTION...NOT the rule.....he was phenomenal.....how many other rookie RBs were....thats my point.....and lets factor in WHO he played with...and the offensive system......

RB aren't found any and everywhere...if they were....this woudn't be a passing league....it would be 1982...and the FINS would be one of the TOP teams in football....

kris how bout ridley, greene, spiller. list goes on and on about young backs taking over first or 2nd year with a ton of success. rbs are so easy to find. just open holes

mendenhall, rice, richardson as rookie even. i could go on and on

Greene stinks, Spiller was a top 10 pick and was slow to start, ridley is good but not great and than it's hard to line 8-9 in the box when Brady passing the ball. How many time bush ran against 8-9 fronts. Better yet what happen to the offense when he got hurt/benched....D.Thomas and miller wasn't close to good enough?

Dusty,

You made my point. If everyone knows we can address RB throughout the draft for pennies on the dollar then why are we sitting here worrying about Bush.

Granted he's had his moments but he also vanished at times. I'm happy to have him back but at a very low rate.

IMO just draft another and let the chips fall how they may.

Mendernhall High pick great o-line(running wise/plus other weapons) Rice was an exception plus Baltimore produce running backs, Richardson was a man child....also injury prone

Did you say Riddely...lol...Greene...Shonn Greene?????

Spiller was a 1st rd pick by the Bills....I thought we were gonna take him....but I think we traded bad for Ordick.....

whats your point on where they were drafted. doesnt matter now, morris was a 6th rd pick. rice? mendenhall? richardson? charles? we can list name after name on players who had solid years first or 2nd seasons. your right on backup, id sign a vet to backup miller. greene stinks u say but hes had same production as bush last 2 years with also a 8-9 man front with awful sanchez at qb

I don't feel good about having miller and D.Thomas as our running back opening day. Bush is a weapon and a good one btw. Ppl need to stop acting like Hartline is better than bush and we are spending more on Hartline as it stands????

hireland im on board with u 100 percent. no way u pay a third down back 5-6 mill a year when u can easily replace that for pennies

gm sod u have an excuse for every rb, so basically u are saying it doesnt matter whos our rb but whos our qb and oline. well thanks for making my point

nobody is saying bush is or isnt better than hartline. they play different pos, we are thin at wr so we need hartline back. we have bush replacement in house already so we can afford him to leave. thats fine if u want to bash miller for some reason but sure u were one of the many in here fired up when ireland took him in the draft last year as what many called a big time steal.

greene stinks u say but hes had same production as bush last 2 years with also a 8-9 man front with awful sanchez at qb

Posted by: dusty bottoms | March 06, 2013 at 09:51 AM

YPC not just yardage. If I have to run you 30 times for 100 yards that's not good. I like greene as I Played against him at Iowa and the guy was a problem. His production isn't much higher than bush, your augment is unsupported. Plus bush does much more than just carry the ball

what argument?? was a fact, bush and greenes production was very simliar with greene having awful oline and qb also. bush ahd worst yards per carry in nfl last year between the tackles

Dusty....

when your team hasn't won a SB in 40 years....

hasn't been to one in 30...

hasn't won a play off game in over a decade....

and hasn't been to the playoffs in half a decade....

and hasn'y gotten more than a 30 second spot on ESPN (on GAME DAY) since who knows when....

why the "F" would I care about cost....

Just PAY the PLAY MAKERS.....

who gives 2 shits if we get any espn time kris, come on man.

Why are so many people high on Hartline and his ONE touchdown last year?? Do you know why he only had one TD? Because he has ZERO run after the catch ability!! Look at his YAC, one of the worst in the league. For him to score a TD (which is why we play the game!), Tanny would have to find him wide open in the endzone - and he is not very good in the Redzone to begin with. That is way too much money for a second reciever who can't make someone miss.

Posted by: dusty bottoms | March 06, 2013 at 09:55 AM

Never bashed miller, I voiced my oponin that he and D.thomas haven't shown eonugh to be starting running back yet. Add someone to run beside miller than my tone changes. As of right now no. the foundation of my augment is we are losing a playmaker when we need more and spending on a player that is "solid" at best.

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