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Polian on Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings

Former four-time NFL Executive of the Year Bill Polian got on a conference with the media this week and the ESPN analyst gave his opinion about varying issues regarding free agency and the draft.

One point he made is that when he was with the Colts, the team studied the success rate of free agency and came away with the idea that 50 percent of free agents are successes and, obviously, 50 percent do not succeed with their new teams.

Polian has no idea which player will fall into what specific category but he judging by what he said about receiver Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings, one gets the feeling he likes the Pittsburgh player over the Green Bay veteran.

"The question of Wallace is that he is the guy who meets all of the parameters that you'd like," Polian said. "He is productive. He has great speed, which is always something that is desirable in a receiver.  He falls within the reasonable age parameters and he hasn't had a high history of injury.

"When you look at all of the things that you use to try to decide whether or not you want to pursue a player, he checks every box with few question marks. There was some issue as to how effective his hands were this year. I don't think it was a major issue, so there you have it. We'll see where the market goes. He's not 6'2" and 220 pounds, so that may be a consideration for some teams.

"But, in terms of the red flags that would cause you to turn away, he doesn't have many.  He's a guy that most people will feel is pretty desirable but, again only the market will tell. This is in many ways like an IPO. There is a lot of discussion, there is a lot of analysis, but only the market will tell you whether it's going to go or not."

And Jennings? Is he worth the $10 million per season he is reportedly shooting for in free agency? And is he even a No. 1 receiver anymore?

"Well, worth is in the eye of the beholder," Polian said. "He's got two things that sort of mitigate against a huge contract:  One is an injury history and the other is that he's 30 years of age and relief receivers, and I would categorize him as one, tend to begin to turn down at about 33 or 34.

"So, how long a contract do you give him, and what is his potential to continue to play at a high level, given the injury and age history?  Each individual club has its own individual metrics that would tell them that, and so I think that that's where it's going to go. I'm as anxious as you are to see who may step up for him.

"But there are two concerns.  There are clubs, we were one of them, that said if a guy's 27 years of age or above, we're probably not going to go for a long-term deal at big money. But if you feel you're one quality receiver away and the physical exam turns out to be okay, you might do it.  Again, that is what makes free agency interesting."

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I think the coaches plan for Odrick is different than that. I'd love to hear if he's slimming down this off season. If not they will rotate him in on passing downs. Or maybe this year he does play exclusively DT and this is his audition considering Soliai and Starks will need new contracts next year if Starks earns his tender.

odrick has been medicore to this point

If Thomas didn't have concussion issues maybe a move to FB would be best for him. At the very least Thomas is merely a short yardage and blocking back going forward.

Both Jennings and Wallace should have incentive laden contracts. Each player has their own faults, don't believe either deserves 50mil for 5 yrs. w/25mil. guaranteed. When these two are done, the shelves are empty. Sorry FA this yr

well ar they will get it, bowe got 56 mill

If we want a +.500 season and make a run for the playoffs who would you rather have as a #2 WR. Some one who has chemistry with Tannehill and is coming off a 1000 yard season with the same QB, or make a RB play WR. Other options are to have a rookie as a #2 or we could bring in other WR's and have them try out like we did all of last year. If Matthews or Moore had enough last year to convince Philbin that they were #2 WR's maybe then Hartline would not be re signed. Lets just make our RB play WR and shift our O guards to play Tackle, Maybe CB play as safeties. Lets re sign Smith and move him to safety???????? Real dumb comment about Bush being used as a WR full time.

Bess Is The Best Wr On The Fins Even If We Resign Hartline.

T-Hill Would've Had A Better Season If He Dumped It Off To Bess A Little More.

We Also Need A Wr Or 2 On The Outside To Open Up The Middle For Bess To Do Work!!

4 Wr's. Bess And Hartline In The Slot. With 2 New Wr's On The Outside. Ideally, 1 Speed Wr And 1 Red Zone Threat.

Wallace And Patterson.

Or Patterson And Sinkfield.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1081647-nfl-combine-2012-results-lamar-miller-sprints-up-draft-board

Found this article from last year on Lamar Miller. Bizarre that give his skills and production at a big school like U of M that he slipped to the fourth. Oh well, works for us ..

wallace isnt gonna come here thats the problem

Dusty I see a player that has not been utilized properly that's why he's been mediocre in Odrick. He should be playing DT in a 4-3 in my mind. And typically 3-4 ends aren't sack machines. I want a disruptive DT to go along with a big run stuffer like Big Paul. Starks is a dominate run stuffer but rarely gets to the passer.

starks gets to the passer way more than most any dt. odrick losing weight so dt appears iffy


Posted by: Say Something Smart | March 06, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Too one sided. hard to run in that formation

Craig M....

Outstanding post....I can't disagree with anything you said to me.....

Bush is on my WHISH LIST....but perhaps Philbin and SHerman have other plans....and I just have to deal with it.....

Mark....

you and I are on the same page....

Take Bush out of the RB box....and place him in the "something Special" box....

and not to many teams have a "something Special"......and were about to let ours walk....

Starks is not at the top of best pass rushing DTs. Atkins and Suh have high sack numbers. His numbers are decent for DT (4.5) last season.

never said he was, said he gets there better than most

Does anybody remember we have 10 or 11 draft picks this year???? Screw the expensive free agents!

I like Starks as a player don't get me wrong, I just want regular pressure from a DT on passing downs. Because if it's not coming from the edge it has to come from somewhere. Odrick is the better pass rusher of the two I think. But everyone has an opinion right?

not a fan of vernon so id sign a vet to russ passer on opp side of cam


anyways, good talking guys...I've got a buys one, so you'll be free me of me for most the day.

Cue the cheers in 3,2,1....

Posted by: Craig M | March 06, 2013 at 10:48 AM

HOORAY! Please make it a full day!

I liked what I saw from Vernon last year, he's got power. He needs some coaching but I think he could be good for us this year. See if he does the second year step up now that he'll have a year of conditioning assignments.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/55820/why-dolphins-are-my-sleeper-pick-for-2013 . thats for kris

You Can Run In Any Formation.

Have T-Hill Run When Everyone Goes Out Deep. Run Draw Plays With Miller. Run A Sweep, A Dive, A Counter, Put T-Hill In The Pistol.

The Point Is To Get 100+ Yds Rushing As A Team.

T-Hill Will Get His 20-40 Yds A Game.

People Aren't Expecting It This Year.

T-Hill And L.Miller In The Spread Option With 4 Wr's!! Add In Egnew As A 4th Wr/ TE!! Or Clay!! So You Can Run A Little More. And Still Be Able To Stretch The Field.

You Pass To Open Up The Run!! #1 Rule Of WCO!!

Can A Defense Cover 4 Wr's With 3 LB's? 2? Maybe, but They Would Only Play 3 Down Linemen.

You Will Be Forcing Teams To Play Dime Or Some Form Of 6 DB's All Day!!

T-Hill Ran It College. A.Rodgers Runs It Green Bay. T.Brady Would Run It! If He Could Run!!

Last Season, Because We Had No Wr's We Ran More Base Sets And Short Routes. This Year, Hopefully Ireland Gives T-Hill Some Weapons And We See What This Offense Can Do.

Armando, I wondered what Bill Polian meant by "relief receiver." I had to scratch my head and admit that I didn't know. Then I read Adam Beasley's piece on Greg Jennings, in which HE quoted Polian as saying, "Elite receivers, and I would categorize him as one, tend to begin to turn down about 33 or 34." ELITE. Wow, that makes much more sense. Perhaps you should get Adam to proofread your articles for you; your spelling, grammar, style, and writing skills suck! Or just find another line of work which doesn't require extensive use of written language... I wouldn't be so hard on you if this were not a daily multiple-occurrence, but enough is enough.


Found this article from last year on Lamar Miller. Bizarre that give his skills and production at a big school like U of M that he slipped to the fourth. Oh well, works for us ..

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | March 06, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Mark,

Yes, hopefully it does work for us...

Funny, so many here want the Dolphins to build through the draft, yet seem to recoil when it begins to happen.

i think the reality of next season is really depending on the growth of thill

Dusty...

Read it.....and disagree.....

Its early....but I think we are in trouble next year...schedule is BRUTAL.....if we couldn't do it against the 28th rated schedule.....how does this guy think we take a step forward (play offs) with the 8th rated schedule....that top 10....

Kris, definitely agreed on Reggie that's hwo I see it too. He is special and I'm sad to let him go. We will never know what we had there because we never used it.

mark must be story of bush career then. kris next year, i agree big time. schedule much tougher like i said those meaningless wins late in year cost us on schedule and maybe millner even. so tired of the idiots wanting those late season wins that kill our future. we will be better next year but wont show in record

"ESPN's Adam Schefter confirmed on SportsCenter Wednesday that the Dolphins are viewed as the favorites to land free agent Mike Wallace.
This has been the worst-kept secret of 2013 free agency.

"A lot of people around the league believe that the Miami Dolphins are poised to make a major run at a player who many regard as the No. 1 free agent available," said Schefter, adding that the Dolphins are "desperate" for speed to surround Ryan Tannehill. "... A lot of people around the league believe the Dolphins are the team to beat."

Mando,

Looks like you were right all along on Wallace. Still think we're not going to land him though.

schedule i like at home. balt,atl,car,sd,cincy road games indy,clev,pitt,no,tb

we will be better next year but wont show in record

Posted by: dusty bottoms | March 06, 2013 at 11:39 AM
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Agree....

that is why I was hoping for 11-5 last season then expecting 7-9 this season.....but since we couldn't get 11-wins with that cake schedule.....i am concerned with the # of wins we can manage this season.....]

even tho I think we will still be a better team than the on 12' team.....

"But there are two concerns. There are clubs, we were one of them, that said if a guy's 27 years of age or above, we're probably not going to go for a long-term deal at big money. But if you feel you're one quality receiver away and the physical exam turns out to be okay, you might do it. Again, that is what makes free agency interesting."

In terms of age & where we're at as a football team--I believe guys like Wallace & Hartline make sense. Bowe is going to be 29 & with his off the field issues I don't think that would have been a great signing for us.

Jennings who I think would fit great here (based on his familiarity with the system & Philbin) however he MIGHT be viewed as being more valuable to a team like NE or SF (or even Seattle) who are in a WIN NOW mode.

Dusty....

all those look brutal.....

home games against mostly teams that play so much better if they are at home. road schedule tough. should be playing oak and tenn instead of indy and sd if we didnt win one of those meaningless games last year

Read it.....and disagree.....

Its early....but I think we are in trouble next year...schedule is BRUTAL.....if we couldn't do it against the 28th rated schedule.....how does this guy think we take a step forward (play offs) with the 8th rated schedule....that top 10....

Kris,

I think the playoffs are unrealistic but to say the schedule for next season is 'brutal' is premature. There will be injuries & there will be teams that don't play well for stretches of time. For example we beat the Seahawks last year even though they were a better & more complete team than we were.

dashi - you're not fooling anyone posting as say something smart

Agree WNP....and anything can happen.....but most likely next season...not gonna happen...

ill say it again, if thill grows a lot in one season we can be dangerous regardless. big if though

Wallace is the man to take a chance on and hope he pans out. I do not think defenses will plan for Jennings like they would for Wallace. Two under the radar WR's i would like to see Miami make a run at are the Giants duo of Ramses Barden or Domenik Hixon. Barden offers size which the Dolphins WR corp can use and Hixon can help in the return game and has had some big games for the Giants when he started for Nicks.I think either one can come at a decent price tag.

"odrick has been medicore to this point"

Dusty,

Yes but in fairness Odrick's rookie season was a 'wash out' so he's only played two seasons & last year was in a new defense. If he drops the 20 pounds that he said he's prepared to do I think that helps. Not saying he's going to play at a Pro-Bowl level but he can still be an effective player for us.

There are plenty of first round players from that draft that have done less than Odrick & Misi (who we got in the trade down) had his best season in 2012. Misi stepped up & was BY FAR our best tackling LB last year.

wallace would be huge

"Agree WNP....and anything can happen.....but most likely next season...not gonna happen..."

It's Year Two in a rebuild so I'm hoping for the best but I think 8-8 sounds about right. More points on offense if we get Wallace & solidify the LT spot but unless we strike gold in the draft @ CB & S--we're still going to allow teams to throw the ball all over the field.

"wallace would be huge."

No doubt about. And if we solidify the LT spot & find an upgrade @ TE we'll actually give Tannehill a freaking chance this year. We're very lucky he didn't have a serious injury last year from some of those HUGE hits he took. This is biggest reason I'd like to see Jake wearing another team's uniform.

My conspiracy theory of the day. The Dolphins are telling everyone they will be going hard after Wallace in an effort to drive the price down on Jennings while at the same time driving the price up on Wallace for the Pats who are said to be interested.

Ofcourse I could be dead wrong but Wallace doesn't seem like a Philbin guy and we have a lot of picks to go after a couple of good wrs in the draft that can be groomed to replace Jennings in 3 years.

Jennings will also be able to be an on the field coach for our young receivers. He plays EVERY wr position, while Wallace is known as a one route guy who can not catch with his hands. Jennings has never been a complainer as opposed to Wallace who people are saying had a down year because he wasn't happy with the money he was making.

Armando kind of tore into Long in a blog. He said he would either take a home town discount because he cares about the team and is aware of his limitations or he will chase a bigger contract because he only cares about the money.

And now he wants to sign Wallace, who is limited at his position, who cares about money so much he let it effect his season, to one of the highest contracts (for a WR) in the NFL. Complete contradiction imo.

Wallace is the man to take a chance on and hope he pans out. I do not think defenses will plan for Jennings like they would for Wallace. Two under the radar WR's i would like to see Miami make a run at are the Giants duo of Ramses Barden or Domenik Hixon. Barden offers size which the Dolphins WR corp can use and Hixon can help in the return game and has had some big games for the Giants when he started for Nicks.I think either one can come at a decent price tag.

Chris,

What??? I live in NYC & I couldn't disagree more. These guys will just take up roster spots. Barden is 6'6" & has ZERO TD's in the NFL so I'm not sure how that helps. And Hixon in the return game??? We already have Thigpen who did a VERY good job in his first season.

We have Matthews who should develop this year & no matter who we sign in FA, we're still going to draft a WR. Best case scenario is that we add Wallace & draft a kid to go with Hartline, Bess, & Matthews.

On Bush walking. People can be upset, but if it happens I'm going to trust that the coaches no what they are doing and they realize Miller will not only fill in for Bush but will be a better all around player while also being much younger and cheaper.

All I'm asking is that people save their outrage until they actually see what Miller brings in a full time role.

coaches KNOW what .....woops

My conspiracy theory of the day. The Dolphins are telling everyone they will be going hard after Wallace in an effort to drive the price down on Jennings while at the same time driving the price up on Wallace for the Pats who are said to be interested.

Phins 78.

The Patriots would NEVER spend that kind of money for Wallace. Never. They keep balking @ Welker & his production has been unbelievable. I think Jennings would be a great fit in NE. Put him out there with Welker & those TE's...BUT that only happens if Jennings is willing to offer them a serious discount which ain't happening. NE won't go over $6-7 Million a year for a WR.

Don't be surprised if the Niners (Manningham tore his ACL & Moss is gone) & the Seahawks show interest in Jennings.

PHINS 78....

You need to GOOGLE Jennings....he love money as much as any WR who has ever played the game....look @ his pay days...

Don't just believe what the PRESS tells you....look for other sources....

The press tells you...

Wallace bad...

Jennings Good.....

I promise you this.....that is NOT the whole picture.....

And there is this,

"judging by what he said about receiver Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings, one gets the feeling he likes the Pittsburgh player over the Green Bay veteran."

Then Polian is quoted at the end as saying this,

"But there are two concerns. There are clubs, we were one of them, that said if a guy's 27 years of age or above, we're probably not going to go for a long-term deal at big money. But if you feel you're one quality receiver away and the physical exam turns out to be okay, you might do it."

Wallace= 27 AND wants a long term deal with big money. The Dolphins ARE NOT one quality receiver away from ANYTHING.

So can someone explain to me how this reads Polian is likes Wallace over Jennings? I have a feeling Armando missed these words because he has a gigantic man crush on Wallace! ;)

Phins 78.....

in Polians view....

Wallace = ZERO red flags....

Jennings = 2 Red flags....

Therefore in Polians eyes....Wallace is less of a risk....

Therefore...in Polian's eyes...Wallace is the better FA....

I hope that helps....

""MIAMI DOLFANS PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT CHARACTER GOES A LONG WAY. CHARACTER WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE MAKER IN THIS FREE AGENCY PROCESS TO ACQUIRE GREG JENNINGS OR MIKE WALLACE. MIKE WALLACE MAY NOT BE MATURE TO EVEN DEAL WITH THE SOUTH FLORIDA ATTRACTION OF OFF THE FIELD NONSENSE.""

Posted by: MIADOLFAN207 | March 06, 2013 at 07:41 AM

Tell that to the world champion Baltimore Ravens..

Phins 78.....

in Polians view....

Wallace = ZERO red flags....

Jennings = 2 Red flags....

Therefore in Polians eyes....Wallace is less of a risk....

Therefore...in Polian's eyes...Wallace is the better FA....

I hope that helps....

Kris,

Interesting that Jennings is considered 'old' but no one said a word about Bowe who ONLY a year younger & is going to be 29.

I think that signing Bowe would have been a disaster in Miami.

"But, in terms of the red flags that would cause you to turn away, he doesn't have many".
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Bill Polian on Wallace.....

I see Barden and Hixon being the 2013 versions of Nanee, Gaffney, and Armstrong.

Stick to Wallace/Jennings, Hartline, Bess, a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick, with Matthews as our 5. I'm done with Binns after his drops vs New England.

Kris ,sometimes you talk to me as if I'm a 12 year old child. On more than one occasion you have indicated you feel I'm formulating my personal opinions directly from what I read.

You used to tell me I formulate my opinions based on what the commentators say on TV. I said one time, "this guy said this" and all of the sudden I'm a child who can't read multiple news sources and listen to multiple experts, I'm incapable of watching the game and taking all of that information, (along with the experience from over a decade of playing the sport) together to come to my ultimate opinion.

Just sayin, it gets annoying to be talked down to like a child when I'm 42 and have been around the block more than a few times. Just asking for a little faith from you, I do own a brain of my own.

Now if you would like to debate Jennings over Wallace I have tons of ammo. I have listed (in that brain of mine ;) my pros and cons and my pros outweigh the cons in regards to signing Jennings.

Polian said. "He's got two things that sort of mitigate against a huge contract: One is an injury history and the other is that he's 30 years of age and relief receivers,

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Polian on Jennings....

Phins 78...

Its not a debate....its what what said....PERIOD.....

and if your feeling are hurt....because of how I broke it down to you.....

not sure how mature you felt your "man-crush" comment was...how age appriate would you say that was..... :)

but I put smiley face behind it....does that make it more mature or less...

"There was some issue as to how effective his hands were this year. I don't think it was a major issue, so there you have it. We'll see where the market goes. He's not 6'2" and 220 pounds, so that may be a consideration for some teams."

Kris does that sound like zero red flags to you?

How about the fact that it is known Wallace is only effecient at running two routes where Jenings riuns them all and plays every position?

How about the fact that Wallace has a hard time fuighting for contested balls because he likes to catch with his body?

How about the fact that the guy doesn't play hard when he is unhappy?

None if this raises flags for you?

How about the fact that the guy we are listening too is in love with lazy, drunken Vontae Davis? lol

All of this raises flags for me.

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