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Smith, Long not necessarily gone from Dolphins

The assumption relative to the Dolphins and free agency is that Mike Wallace will be coming and several players will be leaving. Well, that might not be fully the case.

Prospective free agent cornerback Sean Smith isn't a certainty to leave, a league source tells The Herald's Adam Beasley. And prospective free agent left tackle Jake Long isn't a certainty to leave, a league source tells me.

Meanwhile, you know I've reported Reggie Bush is pretty much gone and that is still the expected course.

[Update: Detroit is interested and the Bengals may join the fray, according to the Cincinnati Enquirer.]

So let's retrace:

Agent David Canter, who represents Smith, is said to be negotiating with multiple teams. And as the last time Canter was juggling teams his client Paul Soliai picked a return to the Dolphins for less money -- even as Canter had him set to get on a plane to visit another team -- it opens the door that Smith is still in play -- particularly since a source is saying as much.

For Long, the Dolphins want him back. But they don't want to back the Brinks truck to his front lawn. And Long wants that Brinks truck visit. So the market will  determine his worth. If the market for Long is as cold as has been reported in some sectors, including profootballtalk.com, then the Dolphins will be in the hunt.

[Update: Tampa Bay is among the teams interested in Smith.]

If the market for Long is as rich as he hopes and believes, then he's likely gone because the Dolphins will be outbid for a player with an injury history the past two seasons.

The answers will likely come quickly starting at 4 p.m. Tuesday.

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It is NOON in New Delhi right now!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it is upmost important to bring Jake Long back. People forget how it was prior to Jake Long. You dont get rid of a talent and leader like Long just because he was injured. If we lose him, will be be regretting it very quickly, as Wallace will not get open fast enough before our qb get knocked out a game.

Jake Long's a stand up guy but no leader.

Losing him would hurt, Martin would be a huge downgrade at a left tackle.

Yea, two fast receivers is better than one. Don't know what the Colts other ares of need are though.

Lt. Lois Einhorn | March 11, 2013 at 11:52 PM

They went 3/4 with Pagano last Yr. moving Freeney and Mathis to OLB'er. Mathis played well enough and believe they add Kruger to man the other side.

They also need a FS and RCB aand can get one in the draft. Then add depth at OL (maybe a better interior OL) but the point is they have all starters from 2012 under contract (Freeney was terminated) and still possess 47.5 Mil in CAP room. By CBA 90% must be put into player payroll but they have to be the quietest team in the League.

They are a team whose moves starting tomorrow should be interesting outside of obvious move on Kruger.

Jake Long's a stand up guy but no leader.

Losing him would hurt, Martin would be a huge downgrade at a left tackle.

Lt. Lois Einhorn | March 12, 2013 at 12:03 AM

I agree here Einhorn, feel Incognito more of an inspirational team leader but like you wonder about Martin at LT he was embarrassed on a few occasions last Yr. getting thrown into the backfield we better hope this kid lived in a Gym this Off-Season.


we better hope this kid lived in a Gym this Off-Season.

Posted by: fin4life | March 12, 2013 at 12:09 AM

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That sounds heavenly.

Booooooooo

My guess is Kruger to Cleveland, Pagano knows what Kruger's worth.

Wonder what James Harrison is looking for?

I agree with father Flanagan that kids should live in gyms.

Do we think Jake Long can regain his peak form? Were the nagging injuries unlucky? CAN HE STILL THROW DEFENDERS AROUND THE QUARTERBACK WITH HIS LEFT ARM?

That's his only great move, it's neutralized a bunch of elite pass rushers. Dislocated shoulder and surgery on his labrum. Can he ever free-wield that arm again? I don't know a lot about the injury.

...Perhaps Jake Longs agent told him that the feeling around the league was he wasn't getting as mush interest as he thought he might. Perhaps the teams interested are not offering up the money he thinks he should get. So, it could come dowm to the Phins being able to match, or slightly better anything he may get elsewhere.

What do you think is the over under for his contract as far as years and total money? Can we start with 3 years 19 million? Something simple?

MIKE WALLACE SLICES THRU DEFENDERS LIKE WILLIAM WALLACE.
BEHOLD THE BLACK SCOTTISH CLAIBORNE.

Jeff Ireland was an Inside Job!

My guess is Kruger to Cleveland, Pagano knows what Kruger's worth.

Wonder what James Harrison is looking for?

Lt. Lois Einhorn | March 12, 2013 at 12:16 AM


Good point and will probably come cheaper with shorter term deal.

DarrylDunphy | March 12, 2013 at 12:31 AM

We offered from reports something in the 8 Mil per range, so will be interesting to see what supposed suitors Rams and Bears offer.

fin4life,

There will be peace when the owl and the baboon approach you with cake.

Please accept their offering so that the world may rejoice in the dawn of a new era.

..So Hartlines contract definitley favors the team this year. It isn't until the next 3 years that his number becomes a large one. 2.115 million for his services this year. A fair deal.

Where it gets sticky. And where I wish I knew more about "capology" is the next few years. Hartlines number ballons to over 6 mil in 2014, and 7 in 2015. Where I am not clear. And perhaps someone can help me out is what options the team may have as far how they can reduce that number, or if Hartline fizzles. How much would we be on the hook if we released him? I may have undervalued Hartlines contract numbers earlier this week. And I am here to eat a bit of crow to those I told he would not recieve the large sums that we now know he will get if he is a Phin past 2013.

Daryl here is how it works for Hartline if I am correct.

2013 cap hit - 2.115 million (all guaranteed)
2014 cap hit - 6.21 million (all guaranteed)
2015 cap hit - 7.35 million (1.4 million guaranteed)
2016/2017- 7.55 (1.4 million guranteed each year)

So miami is only on the hook for the signing bonus and the first 2 years. The signing bonus spreads to all 5 years. If miami cuts him before 2015 or 16 or 17 they are only the hook for the 1.4 million portion as a cap hit (the signing bonus spread out over 5 years.)

Sorry if thats confusing ask away I don't know if im explaining it well or not.

Darryl,

From what I understand were on the hook for 12.5 Mil. in guarantees so he's a lock the next 2 Seasons unless traded before the roster bonus in 2014. If he fizzles and we terminate before those famous roster bonuses that kick in during the Off-Season then we eat 3 Mil. in dead money 2015.

..NeMo..That makes me feel a lot better. Really the big hit comes next year. I thought it was 2 consecutive years of huge guaranteed money. I am I understanding this right that after 2014 we could part ways and we would only owe 2.8 mil?

Darryl,

Only a bit more it would be 4.2 million. 1.4 million in 15,16, and 17 for the signing bonus dead money. Ireland and Aponte get a lot of crap on here, but it looks like they got this one right.

..Nemo..Thank you..Nice work.

NeMo | March 12, 2013 at 01:06 AM

It's 8.3 in CAP # for 2013-14 from what I undestood making his dead money in 2015 (should we terminate) leaves a shade under 4 Mil. in dead money.

There's needs to be a league investigation into the Harbaugh to Harbaugh Anquam Boldin trade.

John knows the Ravens are not in a good position to repeat as sb champs, so why not help the brother? By both hc's being brothers, is there an unair advantage league clause that exists somewhere?

Ozzie, I smell a rat..... LOL...

Guys,

Ive cooled off a lot after seeing the parameters of the Hartline contract. Its still a prove yourself before you get the big money type of deal.

That I fully agree with.

Still, I hope Hartline makes the most of the 1st year and puts in at least 6-7 tds. Then "ALL" dolfans will feel much better about him.

Please, no 1-4 tds Mr. Hartline, we need to see great progress in the td production area.

I would even take 5 tds from Hartline this year as a sign of great progress this year. 5 tds isnt too much to ask for.

Yesterday's Gone 4Ever! | March 12, 2013 at 01:20 AM

I'm sure 10 teams would have offered up that 6 and some maybe better.

Yesterday's Gone 4Ever! | March 12, 2013 at 01:26 AM

I told you that puppy was going to be backloaded although the Wallace deal won't be given the deal Pitt. offered was big but backloaded and nearly identical in nature to the CAP friendly one teammate A.Brown signed when Wallace passed.

YG,DB and loving flipper,

How I long to sip organic tea with you while reminiscing with you over a hot soak in the hot tube with scented candles while listening to Vaugner greats with gerbils spinning on the turn tables. I truly love you


I'm sure 10 teams would have offered up that 6 and some maybe better.

Posted by: fin4life | March 12, 2013 at 01:26 AM

Yeah, there should be some sort of Rooney Rule type situation regarding against this. They should have to take at least 3 phone calls on offers before a player could be traded off like this.

Clearly it seems because Jim is John's brother he got an unfair advantage.

Posted by: Father Harry Winkler | March 12, 2013 at 01:36 AM

Absolutely phenominal! Trolls never sleep here. ROFLMAO.......................................

It doesn't seem fair YG!

I doubt anything is done but would bet my bottom Dollar that someone would have given up a higher pick (4 to 5) given his CAP value.

Take care I'm out till tomorrow, have a good one Bro!

Crabtree, Davis, Boldin then Kaepernick makes the 49ers offense look nearly unstoppable in 2013. Not even to mention one of the league's best defenses.

Absolutely phenominal! Trolls never sleep here. ROFLMAO.......................................

Yesterday's Gone 4Ever! | March 12, 2013 at 01:38 AM

Why I rather go catch a little Sports Center before going to sleep and by the way how do you respond to:

gerbils spinning on the turn tables. I truly love you

Father Harry Winkler | March 12, 2013 at 01:36 AM

The humor really escapes me.


I can't believe you Wallace haters are still crying about Wallace not being a #1 kind of WR. He is NOT! Get that through your head. We are breaking the bank for him for a specific skill set: speed. And as many of you -thankfully- have also mentioned, he is a good football player b/c speed alone does not cut it (see Gates).

Wallace is a disruptive force in the opponent's secondary, he dictates S help, he will help instantly the entire offense from the running game, blocking, intermediate passes, everything. It is time we break the bank. Ok so Ireland stroke out with Marshall, well sort of, the guy still put up just ridiculous numbers but can you imagine had a legit deep threat played with him. We now are in the cusp of getting Wallace and very likely two more WRs and a TE via draft alongside Hartline and Bess and a seasoned RT. This team is on the right path.

Bill Poliand and Bill Parcells have their own sho. Haha. Take notes Oscar.

M
ARMANDO,

WE R DOING YOUR JOB
MIK
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ACE
IS
A DOLPHIN.......................

OUR GARAGE MANAGER WAS ABLE TO SIGN HIM FOR 13 MILLION A YEAR ..............


OUR GARAGE MANAGER IS ALWAYS OVER PAY FOR PLAYERS WH PASSED THEIR PRIME..........

THE CELLAR.......

I know we need a solid TE. Baltimore placed a 2nd round tender on Pitta. Why not try give up one of our 2nd round picks and sign him to a contract they cant match?

Otherwise I say we take Eifert at 12. I know it is too high. If we could trade back 10 spots and still get him, great, but that won't happen. He is by far the best TE in the draft. Ertz may catch the ball just as well, but he doesn't block well at all and his measurable don't stack up to Eifert.

Smith and Long are way overpaid. 9/11 was indeed an inside job.

It is not safe to assume that Wallace will sign with Miami. I would not be surprised to see him go elsewhere. Just dont freak out when this happens.

Vivian Vance's Breasts is right.

I can't believe you Wallace haters are still crying about Wallace not being a #1 kind of WR. He is NOT! Get that through your head. We are breaking the bank for him for a specific skill set: speed. And as many of you -thankfully- have also mentioned, he is a good football player b/c speed alone does not cut it (see Gates).

TigerSam-
That is exactly why you don't pay $12 million plus for a one dimensional player. Has anyone else noticed how many other holes the Dolphins need to fill? Has anyone else noticed that some pretty good vets were let go for cap reasons, and many of them, especially some fine pass rushers and corners, will improve this team? So why spend a wad a on one guy that is not an elite player at his own position, when we could actively land several that still are very good football players? Make zero sense to me

What's their motivation to play at their highest level? Maybe Jake is professional enough to do it, but if Sean stays, how can we trust he will bring his A game? Not worth the risk at this point. It's better for Miami and Sean both to part ways. He'll probably be more motivated and play better elsewhere. If his heart isn't with this team, then just get out.

I like gibson + the OT from atlanta....for the same price wallace is

I like Gibson also, but he is no wallace.

If I had my way I'd get my alpha deep threat in the draft. Patterson, or the smaller score on any touch tavon Austin. Austin is a faster, quicker, cheaper mike Wallace. (With better hands) sign a big WR in FA, sign cook, and still have tons of money to grab a CB, S, T, and make a play for a pass rushing DE like avril or melton.I'd move odrick to the inside rotation and see if Vernon can play LB/DE. Even if we sign cook draft ertz or eifert in the 2nd if there. If they targetaustin they could trade back a few picks. But in some of the latest mock drafts Patterson doesn't make it to us and Austin is going around 15. WRs always seem to get over drafted, almost as much as QBs.

Sean Smith should be sent packing. he never lived up to his potential and he never will. Long should be retained if he doesn't break the bank.

But I have no idea why no one wants Bush to return. IF the Dolphins sign Mike Wallace, then, more than ever, a guy like Bush becomes invaluable. When you have a speedy wideout, you need to keep the D honest. Having a guy like Bush, who can turn a short gain or run into a game breaker at any minute, means the D can't just drop back on every play.

If it's under 5 or 6 mil, Bush should be retained. But, then, for 30 years, all the Dolphins have done is trade one problem for another. No running game is replaced by a running game and no deep threat. No we propose to add a deep threat and go back to no running game.

BTW, Boldin went for a #6 pick and he gets paid what Hartline gets! How could Ireland miss out on that?

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