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Starks to be Dolphins franchise player ... what that means

The Miami Dolphins intend to place the franchise tag on defensive tackle Randy Starks.

It is not a surprise. Indeed, it is the only logical move the team could make as the team's other looming free agents -- Sean Smith, Brian Hartline, Jake Long -- either would have been too expensive to tag or can be easily replaced this coming season if they play elsewhere.

Starks will be on the books for up to $8.4 million. That comes directly off Miami's salary cap space, which is now around $37 million. That is still enough to tender restricted players, sign draft picks and sign or re-sign a full complement of free agents.

A note: Did I mention Sean Smith is not Miami's franchise player? Seems that so-called report that said Smith would be tagged was as erroneous as I've been telling you.

Anyway, there will be fallout from the Dolphins action today.

First, Starks is not happy. He didn't want a one-year tag. He wants a multi-year contract. He may still get it as the two sides can continue to discuss such a deal, but much of his leverage is effectively removed because free agency is no longer a viable option.

Secondly, expect Jake Long and Sean Smith to hit free agency. The club has talked with both players and that has led to, well, no deal with either. Both players have a very high regard for themselves (which is good) while the team has a more realistic regard for them (which is also good). In plain English that means both Smith and Long expect to make much more in the open market than the Dolphins have been discussing.

The market is the tiebreaker. The players will go into the market to determine their value. The Dolphins want both back but at their price. The players want their price. I would say the chances of Long returning to Miami are much better than Smith.

Smith is eager for the start of free agency so that he can "get paid," according to a source. That is his priority. He doesn't as much care where he plays as he does about being paid playing there. The Dolphins believe they can replace Smith with a comparable if not better player either in free agency (more expensive) or the draft (much, much less expensive).

I would say cornerback is a major need for the Dolphins now as they traded away their best cornerback, Vontae Davis, last year and are about to lose the other starter of the tandem Davis once crowed was the best in the NFL.

Long?

He doesn't want to take a pay cut. And considering he made $11.2 million last year, that's saying something. The Dolphins meanwhile are looking around the NFL and seeing that the price for outstanding left tackles is more in the $8-$9 million annual range. Assuming that goes up a little bit, I'd say it's probable the market will have to determine Long's worth.

The Dolphins still want Long back -- probably moreso than they want Smith back. They see Long as a quality player whose play falters when he gets injured. They see Smith as an inconsistent player even when healthy.

On Hartline, the sides continue to talk. Agent Drew Rosenhaus is nothing if not persistent. Hartline wants to remain in Miami and believes he has a chemistry with quarterback Ryan Tannehill. But he also wants $6 million per season.

Obviously, the Dolphins have so far resisted this price point. Both sides at this point believe something can get done before the start of free agency.

It is possible the Dolphins might decide paying $8 million for another, more accomplished wide receiver such as Greg Jennings is better than paying $6 million to Hartline. The Dolphins are almost certain to chase Mike Wallace as their top free agency target, as well.

 

 

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I just want to make certain I understand the situation guys:

Can the Dolphins rescind their offer to Starks at any time, assuming he hasn't signed the contract? If so, I'll argue that it was probably the right thing to do.

WNPs,

What would we get for losing Long? I think I read somewhere a 4th. Can anyone confirm that? And I'm asssuming that would be NEXT year's draft?

THE D-LINE IS THE STRENGTH OF THE TEAM!!

Please get that thru your thick skulls. wanting a DE or a New DT!! IS A PIPE DREAM!!

Good Job, Ireland. Smart Decision.

Only Free Agent, Dashi would Like to see back is Jake, Now.

F' S.Smith!!

HArtline and Bush shouldn't Even get a Call!!

Craig M @ 2:46,

I don't think so. As far as I know there are only two options.

1. Starks plays the season out under the franchise tag amount of 8.4 million or so.

2. Starks signs a long term deal.

I guess the third option is Starks holds out. He won't hold out though, even if he unhappy with the tag its still 8.4 million. 90 percent sure once you designate someone as a franchise player you can't just pull it.

"....This draft is exceedingly deep in Line players, in fact, this draft is pretty deep in everything but QB's... it just lacks flash and star power. I'm a firm believer that the O & D lines are where the games are won and lost.You give even a mediocre QB time to throw the ball with today's rules and he'll shred a secondary.

If Martin is going to move to LT, he will need to eat some beans... he was manhandled several times last year after Long was placed on IR. His technique was solid, he's got the fundamental footwork down... He just needs to get stronger and work on leverage techniques."

Brees,

Agreed. It was freakish watching both Lane Johnson & Jonathan Cooper in their drills at the combine. I can't remember the last time I've seen Olineman that big move like that.

There's NO WAY a guy like Vernon Carey would have gotten taken in the first round of this year's draft with these guys available. Wanny & whoever else was involved with that pick reached too far based on need.

yes next year craig

However, I truly realize these "FACTS" will fall on the deaf ears of many in here. LOL...

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone 4Ever! | March 04, 2013 at 01:27 PM

The fatcs are that Odrick was a first round pick based on what he did in a pro style defense as a 4-3 DT.

So, you see, it has nothing to do with believing every 3-4 end can be a DT. It has to do with him being a highly rated 4-3 Dt prospect that makes people believe he can be a 4-3 DT.

Posted by: LOL | March 04, 2013 at 01:35 PM

PS YG, as you can see I clearly disagree with you which should dispell the conspiracy theories pushed forth by Bobby, craig & easy choice that we are the same person.

Just goes to prove that when you AS*ume you usually wind up just looking like an A*S.

Posted by: LOL | March 04, 2013 at 01:39 PM

Oh absolutely, conspiracy debunked. It's obvious you two aren't the same because you use different sign in names and disagree with eachother.

How stupid do you think people are YG4ever? Get a life loser.

Craig @ 2:43, I am including Burnett and Dansby as I consider them part of the run stopping unit.

And no, I would not have tagged anyone on this roster.

no guarantees u can get other players to sign here, why lose starks

Why is YG4E the only poster in here who constantly defends himself against being called a multiple sign in poster? Poor YG, he's always being falsely accused by everyone who comes in here.

CraigM,

Just went to nfl.com to research. As far as ints, had we not dropped at least 5-6 picks, we're pretty much in the same category as most nfl pass defenses. We had 10 picks, the nfl avg is roughly about 16 picks.

Chi(24), AZ(22), Was(21), Giants(21), NE(20), Tenn(19, Sea(18), GB(18) and TB(18) were the leaders. 5-6 non drops and wre close to this pace.

Where we really struggled was forcing fumbles. We had only 6. NE(20) and Chi(24) were the only two teams highly efficient at this.

Still, we had more sacks than both Chicago(41) and the Pats(37). We had 42 sacks, which proves sacks arent what fixes fumbles and ints alone.

If this were true then we should have as many turnovers as the Pats and Bears do.

WNP @ 2:45, sure we can still do it but I'm less optimistic than I was yesterday. For example, the $8.4 we just burnt on Starks would've got us most of the way there on Cary Williams or Paul Kruger for example and those are the type of players I covet. I just see it as $8.4M to buy a redundant asset.

mark i know u want d flutie and r ismail to sign here. and to bring tressman for coach but the cfl is horrible

I've been playing Call of Duty with Smith for years. Even when he was in Utah. I'll miss knowing I'm on the front lines with a Dolphin. Keep Puttin in Work Sean!

Posted by: Ron in Charlotte

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That Is why S.Smith sucks!!

Instead of Practicing his skill! he is Playing Multiple hours of Call Of Duty!!

When Will These Guys Learn?

Chad was playing Fifa!! Before he Headbutted his wife!!

And

S.Smith Thinks A Football is a Grenade!!

CraigM,

Hope I gave you the "FACTS" that you need to dispell the fallacy that an increase in sacks alone will greatly improve the defense.

Go look at the numbers for yourself:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/league/nfc

'Vernon is a Cam Wake clone'. He is? Based on what?

The guy had what, 3.5 sacks last year? He's inconsistent and disappeared for long stretches at a time.
Posted by: Craig M | March 04, 2013 at 02:27 PM
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Craig...
I would not call Vernon a "Cam Wake Clone" either. But I think he is still VERY raw. Most of his production was early in the season. And as another writer pointed out, Vernon freely admitted to hitting the "Rookie wall.He also was splitting the reps with Starks while Cam stayed on the field. So that fact will cause both Odrick and Vernon's stats to way below those of Cam Wake. (They would anyway, Wake in one of the leagues top Pass rushers, Vernon is a Rookie and Odrick is a 3-4 DE/DT playing DE in a 4-3 alignment.

I am certain Miami will go after another pass rusher, hell... you can never have enough of those guys and they are trade bait gold when needed if they are good (Goon being 8-12 sacks a year, great being 13 sacks and up a year)...

I still believe in Vernon, I wanted Miami to draft him, he has the raw talent, just needs the reps and perhaps exactly what he is getting as we speak... training with a group who will make him better up in Boca Raton... where a whole bunch of NFL talent trains.

dusty,

I think that's it EXACTLY. It's fine to have $48 million to spend in FA but where's the guarantee that the top players are going to come here. it's fine for people to say 'money talks' but not always. We're all assuming either Jennings or Wallace will want to come to Miami but we don't actually KNOW that. There will be competition for their services and some may choose less money to play somewhere else. The tag is there to help teams....far better to use it than not, IMO.

Mark,

Whether it's a top TE like Cook or Bennett or a top WR like Wallace or Jennings or a top CB like Cary Williams or Keenan Lewis--ONE of these starting positions will be addressed very early in FA.

Dashi @ 3:00 good one about the football being a grenade. Maybe thats why he drops it all the time?

Another point about Starks. He missed 0 games in his 5 years in Miami. I'm starting to think Ireland did the right thing more and more.

WNP, agree on the top players being O-linemen in this draft. I personally have Lane Johnson, Eric Fisher (1 and 2 on my board), Johnathan Cooper and Luke Joeckel in the top 10. Not completely done yet but I have them there right now.

By the way, I think it's becoming more and more possible we go Eifert @ 13. Where he ranks in the hieracrchy of today's NFL te's I don't know but I think he's miles better than anyone else in this draft, it's a position of major need, and it's a vital position in today's game. Unless we do something in free agency, I wouldn't be surprised if he's the guy.

The truth aka easy choice....clueless is no way to go through life. Get a hobby. Conpiracy Theorist is not for you.

Instead of accusing me of being YG, why don't you just ask Armando to confirm it for you? Go for it!

"Craig @ 2:43, I am including Burnett and Dansby as I consider them part of the run stopping unit.

And no, I would not have tagged anyone on this roster."

Mark,

These two guys have to tackle better this year.

MLB #58 KARLOS DANSBY IS PLAYING OUT OF POSITION. HE'S MOREOF A PLAY MAKER AT OLB COVERING TE'S AND RB'S. OLB #55 KOA MISI IS MORE SUITABLE TO PLAY THE MLB POSITION. MISI STRUGGLED COVERING TIGHT ENDS AND RUNNING BACKS LAST SEASON. HE CAN COME OFF OF BLOCKS BETTER THAN DANSBY. HE NEEDS TO STUDY THIS OFFSEASON WITH HONOR ROLL DOLPHIN ZACH THOMAS.

YG,

You've missed my point again, bud. I never said sacks lead to turnovers. Please READ what I'm saying. PRESSURE ON THE QB leads to turnovers. PRESSURE ON THE QB does not show up in the 'sack' column. I don't know how you're not getting what I'm saying. You're trying to dispel what I'm saying but you're not actually listening to what I'm saying.

It's in the breeze has it DEAD right....'you can never have enough pass rushers'.

dusty @ 2:49, I want Cam Wake too. You know, the best player we have ...

eat a dikk, jerk

I know some fans don't understand how the game is really played on Sunday. They think in terms of fantasy points & think that all you need is a QB to chuck the ball down the field to fast WR's but what you REALLY need on offense is a top tier O-line. That's what I want & that's what I care about.

Posted by: We Need Playmakers | March 04, 2013 at 02:21 PM

Tell that to Green Bay. One of the most sacked teams in the last few years. Still got to the Playoffs every year, even won a SB.

Mark,

Blasphemy!!

Our Run Defense Is Starks And Soliai!!

That is it!!

Dansby Doesn't Do Anything!!

Burnett Either!!

The Only 2 Other Players That Play Run Defense Behind Starks and Soliai!! Are Clemons and R.Jones!!

In a 4-3!! The MLB Should At Least get 150+ Tackles!! Just off the Run Game!!!

Our D-Line is The Strength of the Defense!! And Soliai and Starks Are our Run Defense!!

WNP, agree on the top players being O-linemen in this draft. I personally have Lane Johnson, Eric Fisher (1 and 2 on my board), Johnathan Cooper and Luke Joeckel in the top 10. Not completely done yet but I have them there right now.

By the way, I think it's becoming more and more possible we go Eifert @ 13. Where he ranks in the hieracrchy of today's NFL te's I don't know but I think he's miles better than anyone else in this draft, it's a position of major need, and it's a vital position in today's game. Unless we do something in free agency, I wouldn't be surprised if he's the guy.

Mark,

No doubt. Eifert is certainly a possibility. Other than Oline my best guess right now would be Rhodes or Keenan Allen (depending on his pro day) @12.

Anyone thinking Vernon was terrible last year is a FKKIN MORON. And that's plain and simple.

You're trying to dispel what I'm saying but you're not actually listening to what I'm saying.

Posted by: Craig M | March 04, 2013 at 03:07 PM

sounds like you need a tissue or a hug!

Craig, just think about what you are arguing about ... the moron (who also thinks being homosexual is a gender and not knowing the difference between sales and income taxes) thinks sacks aren't important and also thinks we are fine in the pass rush .. fully expecting Wake to perform at his current level every year ... come on, the guy is pure idiot. Why bother???

Dashi, you can argue Dansby and Burnett didn't play well (and I won't argue against that point), but you surely must factor in the LBs when considering the overall performance of the run stop ... that's all I was doing and mking the point that $$$$ spent did not equal expected performance.

CraigM,

Either Starks sings the contract or he sits out the season. Still, who would want a d-lineman in 2014 thats going into his 11th season thats sat out an entire year?

Plus, I dont think that you can franchise a player, then after the deadline has passed, call up the league and say:

"Hey Roger, we've changed our minds, we dont want to francise this player anymore."

Like another poster said, maybe you can pull the offer after a certain length of time when its clear that player will not sign, which does make sense. However, Im not sure if that changes the "cap hit" ramifications.

Still, technically, that guy is still your property and Im not sure if that frees him to sign with another team for at least a full season. You would probably be able to recieve compensation from the team signing him that next season too.

A player not signing a franchise tag is "uncharted waters". However, Im sure there are ramifications to this already in place.

WNPs,

I believe Dansy had 138 tackles last year, most in his career. He did is with one arm most of the time. I'm not really sure what else you want from this guy.

Worst blogger of the day!

Craig M
Mark in Toronto
Yesterday's Gone
We Need Playmakers
Odinseye (honorable mention)

Margin of error +/- 0%.

WNp, Rhodes is currently in my top 10 too... no WRs and I already looked at them.... to me none showed anything in the combine that seperated them from the guys in round two.

I already stated my three 2nd round WRs that I love ...

Da'Rick Rogers, Markus Wheaton, Justin Hunter. They showed me just as much as Corderelle did in Indy.

"WNPs,

What would we get for losing Long? I think I read somewhere a 4th. Can anyone confirm that? And I'm asssuming that would be NEXT year's draft?"

Craig,

It would be in next year's draft but there's no way to know EXACTLY what you are getting until they are announced a month before the draft. Compensatory picks are a very complicated formula that takes into account all of the players you lose in FA, all of the players you signed in FA, & how much those FA's contributed to the teams that they were signed by.

For example we lost both Langford (16 game starter for Rams) & Henne (8 game starter for Jags) & we signed Richard Marshall from the Cardinals but b/c he only started 4 games for us we're going to get a compensatory pick. The best guesstimate right now is that we're either going to get an extra 3rd or 4th round pick.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | March 04, 2013 at 03:14 PM

Like Ive posted previously, You seem to want to turned the block into a cess pool juat as it gets close to prison libary closing time. Its clock work with you Child Predator Alligator(CPA) Mark.

I dont need to fight with you, by ow we know its all part of your "prison library closing act". LOL....

I'm trying to think if a player has ever not signed the tender and then the team has pulled it after the deadline. I would think this has happened before at some point, just can't remember now. I would think if a player has refused to sign the tender (which i know has happened before) a team would have the right to rescind the offer (but that part I'm not sure about).

Current Tally:

YG - 1

I believe Dansy had 138 tackles last year, most in his career. He did is with one arm most of the time. I'm not really sure what else you want from this guy.

Craig,

For what we pay him I want Novarro Bowman or Patrick Willis.

BTW--Your thoughts on Connor Barwin to add as a pass rusher instead of the older dudes like Abraham or Freeny. His sacks were down this year but he's a a good player & a great kid too.

The prison library shpeal is stale and played out. Your smack talk is just about on par with how terrible your football talk is. Without a doubt loser of the day.

Why does Child Predator Alligator(CPA) Mark always seem to disappear after 5:00 PM?

A. The Prison Library Closes
B. His Mom Should Have Kept The Afterbirth
C. Young Boys Are Now Safe
D, All Of The Above

Craig M gets my vote

Mark,

IF Dansby and Burnett!! Were on their Job!!

Agreed!! (LB's Are Essential In The Run Game!)

But Clemons and Jones Each had over 90+ Tackles!! Meaning At Least Over 150+ Times Something Went Past The LB's!! Run Game OR Pass Game!!

The Fins Stopped All Power Run Games!! With the D-Line!!

When The Fins Got Run over!! Was when they played quick Backs. Cutback runners. That falls on The LB's Not Maintaining Their Lanes!! Not The 2 DT's Everyone runs Around!

E. You're a douchebag

YG - 1
Craig M - 1

Allday, did you just vote for YG @ 3:24?

And @ 3:27 pollster!
Just for good measure

I know some fans don't understand how the game is really played on Sunday. They think in terms of fantasy points & think that all you need is a QB to chuck the ball down the field to fast WR's but what you REALLY need on offense is a top tier O-line. That's what I want & that's what I care about.

Posted by: We Need Playmakers | March 04, 2013 at 02:21 PM

Tell that to Green Bay. One of the most sacked teams in the last few years. Still got to the Playoffs every year, even won a SB.

DC,

You seriously want your QB taking that many hits or do you want your QB playing @ 35 or 36 year old??? See Big Ben or Michael Vick if you think those hits don't eventually take it's toll.

BTW--GB's O-line was better the year they won the SB b/c they were healthier. Probably would have won another one if not for all the injuries to guys like Bulaga, Sherrod, etc.

YG - 2
Craig M - 1

Why would a troll almost always come to retardomongul in toronto's defense?

Have you all been decieved retardomongul uses multiple troll screen names? Or is it that Mark In Toronto is a troll screen name in itself.

Attack the troll screen name Mark In Toronto and you get attacked by a troll screen name. LOL...

YG, can we assume your vote today goes to Mark in Toronto?

From Alex Marvez

"The Packers have decided against franchise tagging Greg Jennings, paving the way for Jennings to test free agency."

For you Craig M!

Like I said earlier! Peter King knows nothing. Flacco held out for more, he wasn't close to signing! He knew he was worth more. Kudos for Newsome for trying though!

Pollster...Craig M!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/04/joe-flacco-i-didnt-sign-last-year-because-i-thought-i-was-worth-more/

YG,

Do you remember you told me 'Titans would ABSOLUTELY franchise Cook'. 20 mins before the deadline and still nothing. Could still happen but it's right down to the price.

This guy absolutely becomes a target if he's out there. Like this guy a lot.

Looks like no tag on Jennings or Jared Cook per Adam Schefter's twitter.

Do you remember you told me 'Titans would ABSOLUTELY franchise Cook'. 20 mins before the deadline and still nothing. Could still happen but it's right down to the price.

This guy absolutely becomes a target if he's out there. Like this guy a lot.

Craig,

I was wrong too. Doesn't mean they won't agree to a long term deal though.

I'm leaning toward Bennett. The guy had more catches, he started all 16 games, & he's enormous. 6'6"/265 pounds!!! Adding either TE automatically makes Tannehill & the offense better.

Just for the sake of the argument you guys are having. Odrick was drafted I think to play tackle or end in a so called "hybrid" 4-3. I think.

WNPs,

I think Bennett will come quite a bit cheaper. Sounds like the deal with Cook is he wants to paid more as a WR, as he did lineup for more plays at WR this year. I suppose if he's been franchised he would have wanted to have been as a WR (can't blame him, as the difference is big).

Still, if Finley is counting $8.5 against the cap this year in GB, you can bet Cook will be in the same ballpark. It's a lot of dough for this guy.

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