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Randy Starks open to giving Dolphins a discount, not wild about 'clearance' price or franchise tag

Monday at 4 p.m. (EST) is the deadline for NFL teams to apply the franchise tag to their looming unrestricted free agents. And since Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland has said the team will likely use the designation and defensive tackle Randy Starks seems a logical designee, as I told you on Feb. 19, we await what seems inevitable.

Apparently Starks has gotten wind either directly from the team or other avenues that he might be a franchise tag target -- particularly since negotiations for a long-term deal haven't exactly proved fruitful.

[Update: The Dolphins do indeed plan to place the franchise tag on Starks, sources say.]

So Starks on Sunday did what NFL players in 2013 do when they have something to say.

He took to twitter.

"I want to be a Dolphin!!!" Starks tweeted with multiple exclamation points. "Not just for one more year ..."

Well, clearly it seems Starks wants to be with the team longterm and not just for the one-year franchise designation. That franchise tag would guarantee Starks up to $8.45 million for one year in exchange for the exclusive rights to him. It would also cost the Dolphins that same amount off their salary cap space. But it is effectively only a one-year deal.

And Starks wants a multi-year contract.

And on that topic the Dolphins and Starks agent Tony Paige have been discussing a deal but the sides have opposing views of what that discussion is over. The Dolphins believe they're making a solid effort to keep Starks with a good long-term offer. Starks side believes the Dolphins are trying to pay K-Mart prices for a Pro Bowl player.

Starks also says he's not adverse to giving the Dolphins a hometown discount but that has a limit.

"Discount yeah clearence rack heck no," Starks tweeted. "I want to be here and finish here!"

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WNPs,

That's what i'm expecting now too. I wasn't big on going this route and I thought it made sense to just let him walk but in hindsight this probably makes the most sense.

I'm wondering if this also means it won't be a DE in the first. I think all sounds are starting to point to a guy like Patterson or a CB. Starting to think a guy like Rhodes might be the target, even if it's a little high to pick him, IMO.

Craig, notice Flacco's contract? Exactly where I told you he would be, long term, signed for $20M per year ...

The plan is j. Martin at left tackle and John Jerry to right tackle with samuda plaing guard pouncy at c and Ritchie at the other guard then draft depth

Mark,

I saw that. I still don't believe it was the right move.

You also said they would only lose one good player. I expect more than just one to jump ship, as a result of the deal. We'll see what happens.

"Yeah I think we all get that you're not a Jake Long fan. But what's your plan to replace him? I'm not looking for multiple plans....I'm looking for THE plan. I've heard you say that you're not a fan of Martin many time on here now. So what's next? And don't tell me one of the three LTs in the draft, caue it's looking to me like all three will go top ten.

So now what? i would think Jake Long at about $7 mil year on a short long term deal, with easy buyouts, is about what I'd look at. To me that's a fair deal, will little risk. If he is in fact the guy you claim him to be, we could cut him next year and draft that LT next year. I just don't see a better plan right now. I'm open to your plan...."

Craig,

It's looking like all three guys (Joeckel, Fisher, & Johnson) are going in the top 10???? According to who??? Every year there are tons of mock drafts & they're never right. The only team that knows who they are going to take right now are the Chiefs. Maybe it's Joeckel or maybe it's Fisher. I have no idea.

Regardless, I think we should move Martin to LT & either sign or draft a RT. Why waste the money on Long when we already know he's not the player he once was??? That makes zero sense. If Martin doesn't do a better job in 2013 then at least we didn't waste millions of dollars doing it.

Bottom line--It doesn't matter what I want. In the end Ireland will cave & wind up re-signing Long b/c that's who Ireland is.

"That's what i'm expecting now too. I wasn't big on going this route and I thought it made sense to just let him walk but in hindsight this probably makes the most sense.

I'm wondering if this also means it won't be a DE in the first. I think all sounds are starting to point to a guy like Patterson or a CB. Starting to think a guy like Rhodes might be the target, even if it's a little high to pick him, IMO."

Craig,

Ireland could go anywhere this year @ 12 & hit on a need. He could go CB with Rhodes, WR with Patterson or Allen, RG w/ Cooper or Warmack, DT with Sheldon Richardson, etc.

How come nobody talks about the transition tag. Let other teams offer Starks a contract then match it.

WNPs,

You've already said MULTIPLE times you're not sold on Martin at LT. So why would you risk putting the guy there, to protect Tannehill, when you'e not sold on him. So you're going to sign or draft a RT. So what if Martin's not the guy at LT? Now you're stuck with a guy at RT you drafted or signed. Now what?

As I said, Long at a contract for around $7 mil a year, on a 4 or 5 year deal, is the way I would go. You don't like what you're getting, you chop him next year. He's 28 years old, not old by any means. There's just as much chance you're getting TWO guys who can't play the tackle position your way.

Moving Martin to LT and and drafting a RT makes the most since if we can't get one of the top 3 LT's.

I'd take Trufant or Rhodes at 12 if I couldn't trade back for more picks.

Craig, notice Flacco's contract? Exactly where I told you he would be, long term, signed for $20M per year ...

Mark,

Over $50 Million guaranteed. Nice chunk of change.

And WNPs,

I'll stick to my original thought. I think all three tackles will be gone before we pick. San Diego, for one, could definitely use a tackle. I expect Joeckel will go first and the other two are quality enough that I think they'll be gone before we pick. I wouldn't be surprised if a guy like Fisher goes second to Jacksoville but we'll see. All three guys look like quality guys to me and maybe as safe a picks as there is.

Craig, they will definitely lose one good young player at least in addition to Ed Reed. At least one of Paul Kruger, Cary Williams or Dennell Ellerbe will be playing elsewhere in 2013. Word is that Buffalo would dearly love Ellerbe but they have their own cap issues. And I believe they franchised jarius Byrd, no?

Craig M,

If you compare combine numbers to Jake Long and Joe Thomas, this is a more athletic group of LT's. If it doesn't cost too much, it could be worth it to jump ahead of San Diego to get a guy like Johnson or Fisher.

Mark,

They did in fact tag Byrd. Very good player. Not sure about Ellerbe. Good player but I'm not sure how good. Word is he'll likely be the priority now. I wonder if someone might not overpay for him.

"You've already said MULTIPLE times you're not sold on Martin at LT. So why would you risk putting the guy there, to protect Tannehill, when you'e not sold on him. So you're going to sign or draft a RT. So what if Martin's not the guy at LT? Now you're stuck with a guy at RT you drafted or signed. Now what?

As I said, Long at a contract for around $7 mil a year, on a 4 or 5 year deal, is the way I would go. You don't like what you're getting, you chop him next year. He's 28 years old, not old by any means. There's just as much chance you're getting TWO guys who can't play the tackle position your way."

I'm not sold on Martin but then again I didn't draft him. I'm not going to put this all on Ireland b/c Philbin & the coaching staff had to be on board with this pick. With that said he was a 2nd round draft pick & he played LT in college. If he can't start @ LT in his 2nd season then we shouldn't have drafted him.

I no longer have confidence in Jake Long & throwing millions of dollars at him is not going to improve his play. His body is clearly breaking down & it's time to move on. At least with Martin he's younger, cheaper, & healthier.

Woodshed,

I don't hate that idea (my guess is the fanbase will). What do you think that might cost to move up to for example? Maybe a 4th?

My guess is getting Long resigned is plan 1 and moving Martin to LT is plan 2.
We still have alot of time to see where the market falls for Long. I can't blame Ireland for not wanting to give him $10/11 million a year or franchising him for $14/15.
I agree with Craig M though, I think they should try to offer him a 3 year deal in the 20-25 mill range. If he doesn't like that then it's off to plan 2 we go.

'll stick to my original thought. I think all three tackles will be gone before we pick. San Diego, for one, could definitely use a tackle. I expect Joeckel will go first and the other two are quality enough that I think they'll be gone before we pick. I wouldn't be surprised if a guy like Fisher goes second to Jacksoville but we'll see. All three guys look like quality guys to me and maybe as safe a picks as there is.

Craig,

Maybe SD &/or Jacksonville signs a LT in FA. A lot can happen between now & the draft.

Dolfan Rick,

I agree with you. From all indications the Dolphins want Long back. But looks like Ireland is trying to get him at HIS price. That's the way I would play this too. If someone wants to pay Long around $10 mil a year, then good luck and let's move on to door number two.

I agree with you. From all indications the Dolphins want Long back. But looks like Ireland is trying to get him at HIS price. That's the way I would play this too. If someone wants to pay Long around $10 mil a year, then good luck and let's move on to door number two.

Craig,

Maybe the Bears are desperate enough to do that. If someone does pay that for long it's only a matter of time before that GM gets fired.

Btw according to the point value chart it would cost us 200 points to move up from 12 to 8. That is basically a 3rd rd pick.

Of course someone has to be willing to move and could demand more if they think their in a good bargaining position.

Looks like Flacco's cap number in year 4 is about $29mil. Can you say RE-NEGOTIATION?

"Btw according to the point value chart it would cost us 200 points to move up from 12 to 8. That is basically a 3rd rd pick.

Of course someone has to be willing to move and could demand more if they think their in a good bargaining position."


Rick,

That's it??? A 3rd round pick??? Maybe this is the year Ireland trades up in the first round. Who knows???

I'd do it for Lane Johnson in a heartbeat if Long leaves but then again I highly doubt they've given up on Martin after 4 games @ LT. No way.

I also really like this RG Cooper. Even more than Warmack b/c he can move well.

barkley at 12.

Looks like Flacco's cap number in year 4 is about $29mil. Can you say RE-NEGOTIATION?

Craig,

It's absurd. I can only imagine what Aaron Rodgers is thinking right now...How about $25 Million a year???

Left tackles, WNP and Craig,

Personally I would offer Long a contract that would perhaps make him able to earn amongst the top LTs in the game but at the same time make it a contract that is easily voided for major cap impact if he can't earn it. Sort of like what Buffalo did with Fitz. Here's your contract and you make it as long as you earn it. Problem with Buffalo is they didn't opt out of the Fitz contract when they should've and now they're stuck.

As far as the draft, I haven't gone through OLBs or strong safeties yet but the combine results for Lane Johnson to me makes him the best player in this draft. His measurables for the position are insane ... insane!!! He finished top 4 for OTs in ALL of the athletic tests. A 300 lbs man that runs a 4.72 (probably faster than Davonne Bess) and benches 28 times!! Talk about a freak ...

You guys are haters...

I told you Flacco was ELITE years ago....and NOW....his money backs up my claim....

"barkley at 12."

2watt,

Probably not going to happen but hey...At least you're consistent.

We wold ALL love if Tanne won a SB....and then wrecked our CAP in 4 years....

just congradulate the man...

"You guys are haters...

I told you Flacco was ELITE years ago....and NOW....his money backs up my claim...."

Kris,

I wasn't on this blog years ago but I still don't think he's elite. If it makes you feel any better I don't think Eli is elite either & he won two SB's. The money is irrelevant.

WNP...

ALL of our OPINIONS are IRRELEVANT....

but one of the BEST GMs in the NFL believed Flacco should be the highest paid player in NFL history....

Newsome has kept his team RELEVANT for the better part of 12 years...and TWO SBs....i'd say HIS opinion s plent revelant....as is the pay....

"We wold ALL love if Tanne won a SB....and then wrecked our CAP in 4 years....

just congradulate the man..."

Kris,

Tannehill needs a MUCH better team to have that opportunity. Flacco played on some very good teams & I'm not sure why he's getting so much of the credit all of a sudden.

Kris,

Come on man....a guy's elite because of the size of his contract? REALLY? So was Albert Haynesworth elite? is Karlos Dansby elite?

Can we have this contract in a year or two Kris? And so, I don't believe you've been calling Flacco elite since 2008. Is that your claim, Kris?

"ALL of our OPINIONS are IRRELEVANT...."

Kris,

That's the truest thing you've ever said.

If Rodgers does his contract today, his average cap number would be at least $21M per year. That would put him #1 over Eli.

WNP, I also like Cooper. Warmack didn't do the drills I would've liked but I have Cooper top 5 also. Impressive, impressive athlete.

The ONLY reason FIN FANS don't think that winning SBs is relevant is because we haven't won one in 40 YEAS...

So we have convinced ourselves of other measuring sticks on a for a QBs legacy....

you know...stuff like meaningless records that will eventually be broken...

QBs are judged by SBs....and nothing else....even Brady's 3 SBs have been tarnished a bit due to his 3 SB losses....and none in the past 6 or 7 years....

Brady...one of the best ever wants another ring...

So Kris,

If Ozzie has thought of Flacco as ELITE (as you put it), why didn't he do a deal with him earlier, when Flacco would have done it for far less ($17 mil for 5 years).

Flacco, got hot at the right time. It's how this game works. Let's see how it all plays out and how the Ravens do the next 2-3 years and then you can tell me it wa such a good deal.

Kris, Flacco is getting paid where he should be on average, top 6 qb cap hit. He is the highest paid in terms of total contract dollars but he's going to be passed quickly and often in the next couple of years.

So Kris,

Where would you put Manning overall?

I hope Jeff Ireland borrows a page from the Steelers and Pats and just let some of these guys' go! We shouldn't be "married" to any of them. These are the core guys that have produced 7-9,7-9,6-10,and 7-9 the last 4 years. In what universe is Jake Long worth 11 mill a year. Starks, to me, is not a dominant player worth over 8 mill. Hartline is a nice player but he's not worth the 6.6 mill he's seeking, on many teams he's the #3 or 4 guy. On and on. To hear some of these guys, you'd swear we just won back to back SBs. Amazing.

If Ozzie has thought of Flacco as ELITE (as you put it), why didn't he do a deal with him earlier, when Flacco would have done it for far less ($17 mil for 5 years).

Flacco, got hot at the right time. It's how this game works. Let's see how it all plays out and how the Ravens do the next 2-3 years and then you can tell me it wa such a good deal.

Craig,

He'll be as good as his protection is. If the Ravens can run the football & protect Flacco he'll be good. If not??? Then not so much.

All I know is that Matt Birk retiring doesn't help Flacco or the offense.

'QBs are judged by Super Bowls'?

They are? By who? So the other 52 guys a team plays with have nothing to do with it? Last I checked, Rodgers only has one SB. Manning has one SB. Kelly lost FOUR SBs. Marino none. Think Favre had one.

So maybe that's YOUR judgement, Kris. Don't think it would be everybody elses. Are we saying Trent Dilfer was a better QB than Marino because he won a Super Bowl? And if SB are 'how judge a QB', how is it that Flacco is 'elite' now after only winning SB? If SF had scored at the end of the game, which would have been expected, does he suddenly not become 'elite'?

WNPs,

Good points on Flacco's protection. On top of that McKinnie is a FA and there's a lot of people starting to question Oher at the other tackle position. I'm looking forward to having this coversation next year when the Ravens have 6-8 wins. They were 10-6 this year and they're going backwards, not forwards.

So Kris,

If Ozzie has thought of Flacco as ELITE (as you put it), why didn't he do a deal with him earlier, when Flacco would have done it for far less ($17 mil for 5 years).

Flacco, got hot at the right time. It's how this game works. Let's see how it all plays out and how the Ravens do the next 2-3 years and then you can tell me it wa such a good deal.

Posted by: Craig M | March 04, 2013 at 10:14 AM

100% false.

Newsome tried to extend Flacco last year before his contract was up & Flacco said no because he thought he could get more. He gambled & won BIGTIME!

Google the article about it. It involved Flacco's dad explaining why Flacco turned down an extension.

Flacco was hot more than just this year. How quickly we forget he was a Lee Evans drop away from being in 2 straight superbowls.

The ignoring of truth to fit arguments on this blog is ridiculous.

We will know by 4:00 pm today!!

10:18. uh huh.
.
some r elated w/ 7-9's every season.
lmao

I've been pushing for a tag and trade of Long for a while. My buddy and I were discussing it this weekend and we weren't sure if that was a possibility with the new CBA and if it was what would be the cap fallout for the Dolphins if any?

Does anyone know about that?

The thing we have to keep in mind is just because someone is a good Tackle or Guard, doesn't mean they will be for our scheme. In a zone you need guys that can move to cover guys in space and not necessarily overpower the guy directly across from them. I think that was one of the limiting factors on what plays were called and how Tanny's athleticism was used last year.

He did a good job of running for yards downfield but a more ideal situation is to be able to shift the pocket to deal with pressure so he can move behind the line to deliver his passes.

finfan23 @ 10:31, heard the same thing on the radio today from a guy that covers the Ravens. Seems to be the case. Don't really think it was a gamble for Flacco unless he got hurt. Don't think he was going to get less than $16-17 million. He would still be considered top ten if they didn't win and that's where thatt figure woudl place him. He had very little to lose.

Za

Here is a new article. Newsome DID try to extend Flacco sooner. Last paragraph. There are other articles out there if poeple cared to read.

Before "blogging", FACT CHECK IT.

Kris, you are CORRECT! Newsome knew Flacco was elite. Thats why he tried to lock him in before his contract expired.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/feb/04/joe-flacco-does-late-show-with-letterman/

finfan23,

Took this from Peter King's MMQB this morning. That sound like the story you just told or are you in fact, 'ignoring of the truth to fit arguments on this blog'?


"I've also learned a little bit of history about the deal, and just how close the two sides came to making a five-year extension worth about $17 million a year happen last year.

The Ravens and Flacco were going to leave the 2012 salary as is ($6.76 milion) and extend the deal five years, through 2017. The two sides were agonizingly close -- the Ravens wanted to pay Flacco $15.5 million in the last year of the deal, unguaranteed, and Flacco's agent, Joe Linta, wanted $17.5 million, unguaranteed. Keep in mind there's a very good chance the last year of the deal wouldn't have been kept intact anyway; it's likely the deal would have been re-done before that season. When the two sides met for the final time to try to get it done, the Ravens were insistent on their 2017 number. Linta probably would have accepted if they'd split the difference at $16.5 million. But the Ravens -- and who could blame them? -- thought they had extended themselves for a player who hadn't been a 4,000-yard quarterback yet".

finfan23,

That's YOUR interpretation of what Ozzie was trying to do. Looks to me like he was trying to get a bargain. Keep in mind, this was a guy who had never thrown for 4,000 yards or been to a Pro Bowl. So that's your 'ELITE' QB?

Now I know Omar Kelly isn't the best BUT he is saying Phins interested In Michael Bennett or Osi from the Giants to replace Starks.

finfan23,

If Ozzie did in fact think Flacco was 'elite' as you've indiacted, why didn't he offer to pay him like an elite QB LAST year? $17 mil a year didn't put him in the top 5. That's ELITE.

Let's see how your 'elite' QB does next year when this team looks VERY different than it does this year. You can come back and tell me that next year.

Looks like the Rams will let Amendola hit the open market. I wonder if they become players for Hartline if he hits the open market. Could be a good addition for Sam Bradford.

You know what I think you let all these free agents walk . None of them are worth what they are asking is Starks worth 8.5 million that's a lot of cash for an interior lineman . I like the guy he's a solid player but REALLY you can sign a space eater for 2 million a year

The more I see and hear I realize this is a total rebuild !

Posted by: Jonny1978 | March 03, 2013 at 03:49 PM

agreed just not on long. You guys seem to forget that long still plays at a high level (injury prone) so pay him and put a clause in the deal that he has to play at least 12 game or pay gets cut. I think the biggest problem would be years cause he wouldn't want that restriction for too long and dolphins would love to have him like that. "3 yrs/6-8mil" is fair, pay falls to 3mil or 4 mil if clause is not meet

Our coaches have evaluated and the purge will go forward , they know who they want and don't want

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