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Workouts will show Dolphins if Martin wants to be the LT

Monday was the start of the 2013 season for the Miami Dolphins.

It was the first day since last season's Super Bowl champion was crowned that Miami players returned to the club's Davie, FL. facility and started doing things to make themselves better in 2013.

There was weight lifting. There was running. I suppose there was some bonding in the locker room.

It was a start.

And it was very important for Dolphins offensive lineman Jonathan Martin.

Martin will be in his second season with the Dolphins in 2013. And he might also be in the spotlight. You see, if Jake Long does what many expect and goes to a new team the next couple of weeks, Martin immediately becomes Miami's new starting left tackle.

He will be charged with protecting quarterback Ryan Tannehill's blind side.

The job isn't new to Martin who played that very position the final month of 2012 while Long was finishing up on injured reserve for the second consecutive season. And Martin was something of a pleasant surprise in that he played as well or better on the left side than he did on the right side because the left seems to be his more natural position.

Indeed, Martin's play the final few weeks at left tackle might be the reason people in the Dolphins personnel department aren't actually giving birth to a cow over the idea of Long departing -- because, again, Martin held the position down without major incident.

(A major incident is defined as Tannehill's head being decapitated).

But if Long is indeed going to leave, the Dolphins need more out of Martin than him simply not stinking. They need him to win at that spot. He didn't do that nearly enough in his short tenure at LT. (He didn't really do it much at RT but that's not the point here).

In other words, the Dolphins need Jonathan Martin to go from a C-plus NFL left tackle to a solid B or B-plus player at that elite spot.

And to do that Martin needs to be a horse this offseason. His somewhat pear-shaped body needs some shredding and remolding. He's carrying 312 pounds on his 6-5 frame. So he's a big man. But he needs to get stronger in both the upper body and the lower body. His core is also weak or at least he sometimes plays like that.

So Martin needs to eat some nails for breakfast every morning and get in the weight room and morph. He'll have no better opportunity to do it than this offseason while he's still young, while he's still green, while he still has the giant leap of rookie to second-year player ahead of him -- the leap that often sees the greatest amount of improvement in NFL players.

If Martin can do that, some within the Dolphins organization believe Martin has the makings of a fine left tackle.

The question is will he do it?

Does Martin have the desire to do it? Is he willing to sacrifice the hours and effort it will take to remake his body? Will he work at it even though the stadium lights are not turned on? In short, is he willing to do something that he obviously has not yet done in his development as a football player?

That's the key question.

I don't know the answer. I don't know Martin very well, so I cannot tell you if he's willing to put in the work.

But I do know this kid is very smart. I do know he has a little bit of a nasty streak in him on the field. I do know he's been told he needs to get stronger to get better. And I do know he has said he understands.

But again, the distance between understanding what must be done and actually doing it is often the distance between being average and very good.

The Dolphins, by the way, have a grand advantage on this point. They see Martin every day. They will know if he's attending the workouts religiously. They will be able to measure his progress or lack thereof. They will know if Martin is walking the path to improvement or taking detours through the Burger King drivethru.

And that knowledge, I suppose, will be used to help determine their course in replacing Long if he goes. If Martin becomes a workhorse this offseason, then I'd expect the Dolphins will breathe a sigh of relief in knowing they have a viable replacement for Long already on the roster.

If, however, Martin stumbles, if he misses workouts or doesn't really LIFT when he's supposed to be lifting, then the team needs to consider other options. And Miami will need to do that in the coming weeks.

It's on the Dolphins. It's on Jonathan Martin.

The season has begun in earnest. 

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Bobby, can't he can take more guaranteed up front to reduce the cap numbers in latter years?

I remember Saban doing something similar with Zachs contract at the time.

How do all other teams managing to restructure deals? At some point you have to cut your losses. There is always going to be a hit, the object is to find a way to minimize it.

Dashi, if it's true they wont restructure because Ireland doesn't want future cap hit. I find that laughable.

What's worse? Having an overpaid, underwhelming player on the field. or, biting the bullet once & finding a legit upgrade?

Scared is no way to run a franchise.

LOL,

You don't just restructure someone's contract. You need their permission to do it. so how do you know Ireland hasn't asked him? What you are proposing then, if he refuses (which he likely has) is to cut him and open up another hole, right? So that's a great use of $4.5, not to mention another gaping hole.

Dashi,

If you're taking Ogeltree (on your list of guys you wanted), you're taking him at 12. Interesting cause most people have him going in the 20's. I like this guy but there's been a few off-field strikes against him. Bit risky! And of course forget any of the other reall NEEDS at 12.

Tiger Sam, because Fasano is not a number one Tight end, that's why. He cannot get into the seam and has lost a step. I would rather bring in Cook or draft Ertz. As far as a "byproduct" of the system, Gronkowski was also a byproduct and TE don't need mentoring. They should be able to come in from day one and play, especially Ertz or Eiffert.

Dashi,

'1,000 to 1' that people would want Dansy cut? I just read that bobby, Mark and myself think it's a bad idea and we didn't even ask anyone else. So much for that theory.

Looks like your '95 per cent right' just took another hit.

Dansby is not worth the money. When he doesnt play, you can't tell the difference. He's not a game changer. He's a little above average.
Ireland has a horrible history picking FA's.

So it looks like the Fins are closing in on a deal with Hartline reportedly worth 6-6.5 million a season.. too much?

Bobby The Ratio Will Still be 1000 to 1.

2000 To 2.

..Wow..I'm on a roll..Wrong again!!!

I want to wait and see how the language of this contract reads. I want to see how much is guaranteed, how much is bonuses. How much the base salary is. (Sorry guys I disagree the base salary isn't important, for dead money reasons, trade reasons, I know everything leads to a cap number, but the base salary has merit)and how the cash pays out. If this year he makes 6 million, but that number is lower over the next few years..I have no issue.

But being tied to Brian Hartline at 6 million dollars a year?? I think we could have done bettert here.

I thought he was at best a 3 million dollar a year guy. 3 million to what he was making was a hansome raise. Boy did I undervalue Hartline in the eyes of the team. I get it, Hartline is a Miami guy. He was drafted here, he was our best reciever last year. He deserves something to stay. I am just suprised he got this much.

LOL, maybe they can guarantee him more up front but I read a good article the other day on why restructuring Dansby would be a bad idea. I will try to find it. I think a big problem is Dansby knows he will not get another big contract and may just refuse to restructure, this is his last hurrah.

Here, Dashi, draft Vaccaro. He'll help Dansby a lot.

Craig I don't read M,

TRY READING!

I clearly stated #1 ASK Dansby to restructure.

Then I clearly stated option 2 would be to cut him outright.

Then I clearly addressed to fill the hole by signing a non big name guy since with Starks & Soliaia, in a 4-3, the MLB should be mopping up.

I addressed everything you opted to ask me before you asked. So, for the love of pete, do a lil more reading & a lil less typing.

I know I'm angry, my life is sad, who cares etc etc etc

DD,
it might show how confident they are landing a FA in Wallace, Jennings, or both or the lack there of.

Roddy White and Anquan Boldin makes the same as Hartline. Talk about misspending. You only pay Bess 2 mill, but you pay Hartline 6 million.
Ireland is insane!

I think Dansby has to stay this year but he will be gone in 2014. Of course anything can happen and they could cut him tomorrow. I sure ain't 100% right on things.

Bobby,

You want to bring Cook? LOL, that guy is a bum, can't even learn the playbook which is why Tennessee is ok with letting him go. What do you guys see in Cook? I've watched all of the Titans games last year and for all that potential he sure knows how to be disappointing.

BTW, do not underestimate good blocking from Fasano, that alone makes up for his contract. BTW I've never been a Fasano fan but I think he will be very serviceable at this juncture. Sounds like a lot of you guys just want playmakers everywhere. Not possible, you have to compromise here and there. Yes we overpaid for Dansby (and again I'm not a fan of him, far from it) but it is done and he's ok and I'd hate to take a cap hit. Besides who will replace him anyway? For better or worse he's in the team now and is a decent LB. This draft class is poor in LBs prospects anyway. No way Ireland gets rid of him until he finds a replacement.

..Hartline is getting number one recievr type money(if the report is true)..How many number 2 recievers are getting 6 mil a year?? You guys that don't think base contracts matter..Ok, You can look at Cap numbers on Sportrac..How many that have 6 million dollar cap hit this year would you rather have over Hartline(I know this is hypothetic because these guys ar not available, it is just to show my point wtf are we doing)

We just paid 6 million dollars to at best a number 2 guy??? It is freekin criminal.

I understand nothing has been confirmed, and again. We have to see the details of the contract. But come on.

If you cut Dansby, you get a $4.5M cap hit in dead money this year. That is the reason.

A.Marvez of fox sports is reporting that the dolphins are very close to signing B.Hartline to a multi year contract extension making between 6-6.5 mil a year !! You got to be fu*****ing kidding me !! Are you serious J.Ireland you're seriously going to give this white a** mediocre wr 6.5 mil a year for 1 TD !! So let me getting this straight 24hrs ago you had 46 mil to spend on f.agents, and as we speak 15 mil of it went to 2 average players at best plus 7 mil to the rookies leaving you with 24 mil and you wonder this franchise has been a joke for the last 29 years.

Craig,

What is it People Say About You?

Craig Changes Peoples Words For His Benefit!!

Didn't Dashi Say All These Guys Underperformed at The Combine?

Hasn't Dashi Said The Fins Main Need This Draft Is Wr And CB?

Keep Talking Craig.

Oh, And It Is "About" 95% Of The Time. About Being The Keyword.
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LOL,

Agreed. That Is Not How You Do Business. If The Guy Needs To be Cut!! No Matter The Salary, Cut Him. For The Betterment Of The Team.

You just have to pair Fasano with a seam threat like we had in Martin in 2008,the middle of the Field will open up.

If the Phins wanted Hartline back in the team they knew they had to overspend there too. That is just how it works. Yes, he does not get TDs but he may well be one of the best WRs catching passes to the opposite shoulder by the sideline -a big reason why his YAC are just ok and not TD bound.

You guys are way too demanding. People were unhappy b/c Ross did not open his wallet last year and now they are criticizing signing Wallace even before it happens. In fact you are talking about Wallace as if he was #1 WR material. Please, his job is to stretch the field, period! That is why we will be paying him all that much.

We can not have the perfect team, we must compromise instead.

funny how craig arrogantly criticizes what other people would do. while offering nothin so others can return the favor. just questions & critique.

whatddya say knuckle duster? put your money where your big mouth is!

Oscar,

Vaccaro is Good Not Great. Still an Upgrade Over Clemons. Agreed. Wouldn't Pick Him In The 1st. Dashi likes Elam A Little More. And Both are Second Round Picks To Dashi.

But Clemons And R.Jones Helped The LB's A Great Deal This Year. 190+ Tackles Between The 2!! Talk About Run Support!!

Like LOL Said, A 4-3 MLB Should Be Mopping Up(150+ Tkls) with Soliai and Starks Clogging Up The Middle.

How Many Safety's Had Over 90 Tkls When Zach Played?

You Can Probably Count Them With 1 Finger!! In His 12+ Year Career!!

...Mark in Toronto..Even with the dead money the team would make a savings by cutting Dansby. That is why the Base salary is important..right there. Because the bonuses have to be paid regaurdless.Anyway, if we had to clear cap space(which we do not) Then it would be an easy call..Dansby would be a cap casualty. Even with the Dead money, we would have available 4 million to apply to the cap if we needed it.

That is the issue with Bonuses, and why I'm interested in Hartlines contract.

Funny that 'turth hurts' shows up out of the blue. Couldn't be an alias of anybody else...nah. Cause nobody would do that.

Have a good day fellas...I can tell the freaks are waiting in the weeds.

QB -Tannehill
RB- Miller, Thomas
OL- Martin, Incognito, Pouncey, Quessenberry(R), Watson(R)
WR-Wallace(FA), Hartline, Rogers(R), Bess, Swope(R)
TE- Eiffert(R), Fasano

DE-Wake, Freeney(FA), Vernon
DT-Starks, Odrick, McDaniel, Barnes(R)
LB- Dansby, Burnett, Misi, Kaddu
CB- Slay(R), Smith, Marshall
S- Jones, Goldson(FA)

Only 3 FAs in Wallace, Goldson and Freeney, re-sign Starks, Hartline, others (not much $$$). Trade Solai before contract expires and we get NOTHING.

Ed Reed, Pollard different kind of Safeties. Ed is cerebral, reads and anticipates for picks. Pollard is brutal, causes separation of the ball from the one who is carrying it, along with some time off for those that do. Your pick? We have similar to both in the Draft.

..Tiger Sam..I get it..Hartline was going to get a raise. Also personaly the idea Ross is cheap is just stupid. But anyway. Just because we have money doesn't mean we have to spend it like it is the first time we ever had it. I know I said go nuts this offseason, make some splashes. But resigning Hartline at leading man price??? We didn't have to do this.

I have to keep telling myself..Nothing is confirmed. We do not know the details...I keep saying this over and over so I talk myself into this being a good deal for us....

Craig,

People Will Only Keep Dansby Because Of The Cap Hit!!

Not Because Of His Play.

Mark in To, so $4.5m for a team with mega cap space is a big hit? Not to mention:

Everyone knows Miami is going cheaper at CB. Miami will bring in at least 2 CB's. It's widely speculated that Marshall or Patterson will be cut with no hit to save $4-5 mil.

In fact that would be a brilliant move! Cutting Marshall or Patterson & Dansby = $0 cap hit & our cap space would be the same.

They can dump him in a heartbeat if they really wanted to & bring in a cheap option at MLB to clean up tackles!

Dansby does not produce game changing plays, turnovers or big hits. They can get any MLB to do that.

Tiger Sam, Cook is a bum? I look at his numbers and they sure don't look like bum numbers to me. Tenn. released him cause they k we they would lose arbitration, no other reason.

"....But if Long is indeed going to leave, the Dolphins need more out of Martin than him simply not stinking. They need him to win at that spot. He didn't do that nearly enough in his short tenure at LT. (He didn't really do it much at RT but that's not the point here).

In other words, the Dolphins need Jonathan Martin to go from a C-plus NFL left tackle to a solid B or B-plus player at that elite spot.

And to do that Martin needs to be a horse this offseason. His somewhat pear-shaped body needs some shredding and remolding. He's carrying 312 pounds on his 6-5 frame. So he's a big man. But he needs to get stronger in both the upper body and the lower body. His core is also weak or at least he sometimes plays like that."

Mando,

No doubt about it.

I finally figured out why you call yourself '2 watt'...it's because when the rest of us are working wth brains that work at 60 watts, you brain only produces 2.

Vaccarro Is E.Reed? And Elam Is B.Pollard?

I'm Picking Vaccarro Then. We Need Pass Defense. Not Run Support.

If We Can Sign Hartline and Wallace. (And Jake)

We Can Fix Our Secondary With The First 2 Picks.

1- X.Rhodes
2a- Vaccarro

Sounds Good To Dashi.

DD,

How do figure 6-6.5 million a year is #1 wr money? You of all posters here, I thought was smarter than that.

What Hartline's getting paid is today's nfl middle of the pack #2 wr money. However, like you said in your post, I want to see what the contract reads like.

If Hartline's making legit #2 wr money, it kind of throw a monkey wrench into the expectations of taking a wr i the 1st 2 rds. After signning fa's Wallace or Jennings.

Especially if signing Hartline to a contract suggesting he's the #2 wr moving forward. But there could still be the possibility if 30yr old Jennings is signed, we could draft a wr 2nd rd to groom as Jennings replacement.


But I wouldnt be surprised if we drafted a wr 3rd rd. If neither Jennings nor Wallace can be coralled in. Then we likely see a wr taken 1st-2nd rd.

craig is paranoid. anyway, result is the intended one. him leaving or so he says.

Brilliant conclusion by Matt.

No wonder why you people hate J.Ireland so much down there, R.Starks 8.4 mil avg B.Hartline 6-6.5 mil a year for a mediocre white wr Wow !! I don't get it I just don't understand it. J.Ireland just can't do sh** right, this half a** clown of a gm doesn't know a true playmaker if he was standing right in front of him. He just wasted 15 mil on 2 very avg players at best. I'm so dejected right now I'm seriously teary eyed right now !! Fellas we need a couple of fresh new young wideouts and this smf pays a overrated overpriced white mediocre wr a base salary of 6-6.5 mil a year for what to catch 1-3 td's a year. To go down whenever he is near contact. Ireland better take K.Allen with the #12 pick or I'll be on his a** every day I'm in this blog !!

..YG..My point was just off the information from sportrac. I looked at base salaries last week. Some questioned the validity of this in relation to the cap number. So you can look at cap hits for every receievr for 2013 as well. Again this doesn't exlain the contract just the payment for this year..And by the information given 6 million dollars a year is closer to what number one recievers get..Now some are on rookie contracts I get it. Some, the elite get paid much more..Agreed. But go look yourself. And see where you think Hartline matches up with the guys that will make that much this year...

It is a bad deal.

Matt Elam is one of those rare talents that come across sometimes. Hitting almost as hard as Vaccaro, very aggressive, he has the instincts and the smarts of an Ed Reed. Nab him, quickly. As of now.

after bh, how much $ is left?

Even Bralon Edwards who is a receiver out benched Martin at the combine. He will never be strong. Another wasted pick by Jeff Ireland. Martin will never be better than an average line man.

"Does Martin have the desire to do it? Is he willing to sacrifice the hours and effort it will take to remake his body? Will he work at it even though the stadium lights are not turned on? In short, is he willing to do something that he obviously has not yet done in his development as a football player?"

After watching Philbin on 'Hard Knocks' there's NO WAY that they drafted a Tackle in the 2nd round that wasn't a hard worker & committed to playing in the NFL. I also think that Martin--who btw played at Stanford--is smart enough to recognize that he needs to step up his game if he's going to be a starter in the NFL. In short--I don't believe we have another John Jerry on our hands. This is a kid that was recruited & played for Jim Harbaugh & was protecting Andrew Luck's blindside. I just don't believe that Harbaugh would allow a lazy, slacker to be his starting LT especially when you have the best QB in the country.

What makes me laugh is Sparano actually spent time at the Senior Bowl working with Jerry so you'd think he would have noticed that he was lazy....

Truth Hurts Is Right.

Craig, Dashi Has Given You And Everyone else Multiple Scenarios On How To Replace Dansby. Since The Start Of Last Season!! Reason You Keep Bringing Up Kuechly! I Knew Before Last Draft!! L.Kuechly was A Better MLB!! Love The T-Hill Pick Though.

Yet, You Keeping Saying We Need A DE!! (Which We Don't)

And Have Given Nothing Of Substance To That Debate.

At Least I Give Realistic Options To Replace Kancer Dansby.

IF JEFF IRELAND WASN'T GM, NEW STADIUM DEAL WOULD BE DONE.
NO HOPE FOR FINS IN 2013!

I Will Have To See More Of Cowboy.

Cause I Know Elam Is A Head Hunter. Saw The Guy Pop A Guys Helmet Of With A Hit. And He Is One Of Those Guys That Just Explodes Thru People. He Loves Torpedoing RB's! (When The Guy Leaves His Feet To Dive at a RB Legs!)

I Thought Cowboy Was Compared To E.Thomas? Since They Both Went To Texas and Was Known As A Ball Hawk. Didn't Know He Was A Big Hitter Also.

DD,

Im sure if you watched my posts this offseason, then you know that I favored letting Hartline walk period. His 4yr td production just didnt get ot for me. Maybe Ireland values a "possession wr" far higher than I do.

My offseason position has bee sign a top fa wr and use a high draft pick at wr. If that drafted wr comes in and gets 4-5 td's his first season. IMO, Hartline's been upgraded.

It will be interesting to say the least,should Hartline be resigned, to wath his 2013 numbers. Mainly his td nimbers. Im not rooting for Hartline to fail, just would like to see him do far mire in the 2013 td department.

"A source tells FOX Sports that the Dolphins are close to finalizing a contract with free agent WR Brian Hartline.

The multi-year deal would reportedly be worth between $6M and $6.5M annually, a high number for a middling No. 2 wideout. It wouldn't prevent the weapon-needy Dolphins from going after free agents Mike Wallace or Greg Jennings next week. Hartline is coming off a career-high 1,083-yard season, but has posted a pathetic total of six touchdowns in his four NFL seasons."

Not everyone is going to agree with me (which is fine) but if Ireland gets a deal done with Hartline then perhaps the tide has turned in Miami. Hartline is a very solid, reliable player who has great chemistry with Tannehill.

If we get Wallace or Jennings that would be awesome but if not then we can still get a TE like Bennett & draft a couple of WR's.

Whatever happens don't f#ck this team by resigning Long or Smith.

dashi, asked him to put his $ where his mouth is. he tucked tail & ran. typical.

did it to you & lol this am. to yg & others all the time. can't read. when he does he misreads it. asks dumb questions & rips apart opinions.

next time he posts an original though would be the 1st time. job is done, im out!

WNP,

What Makes Me Laugh Is Sporanus Is Still Coaching.

Agreed. J.Martin Comes From Good Stock.

And Philbin Is A Real O-Line Coach. Plus, Our O-Line Coach (J.Turner) Is Way Better Than Spo. If Someone Is Going To Get The Best Out Of The O-Line It Is These 2.

Some Forget. This has Been The Best Our O-Line Has Looked In Years. Philbin wasn't Playing Musical Chairs Like Spo!! He Picked The Best 5 and Stuck with it.

I'm shocked how many of you people in here isn't so upset of what J.Ireland done so far with our cap space. Hartline 6-6.5 mil and some a** ho** on xm radio just said its money well spent. Are you serious ? Come on fellas Ireland overspent Ireland doing his ole black magic of ineptitude. This guy is the most clueless gm in all of pro sports !! Now I know why you guys hate him so much down there !!

I would like to see them move JJ to right tackle, Incognito to right guard, and draft a left guard.

Playmakers,

Just like I posted to DD, Im not rooting against Hartline if and when he's resigned. But I am very disappointed in his 4yr td numbers.

Just hate knowing our #2 wr's only had a carrer high 3 tds. We need twice that td, plus 1(7 tds) from that #2 wr spot alone.

Never fewer than 5 tds from the #2 wr position. Thats worst case scenario.

Listen, is Hartline worth 6 million? IMO no. But he is in this market. He is a solid number 2 receiver who will give the same numbers year after year. He wants to stay here. Give him a Wallace and his numbers may be better. Stop talking about TDs!! He is not a guy to stretch the field and run past people. It is what it is, one less hole.

What Makes Me Laugh Is Sporanus Is Still Coaching.

Agreed. J.Martin Comes From Good Stock.

And Philbin Is A Real O-Line Coach. Plus, Our O-Line Coach (J.Turner) Is Way Better Than Spo. If Someone Is Going To Get The Best Out Of The O-Line It Is These 2.

Some Forget. This has Been The Best Our O-Line Has Looked In Years. Philbin wasn't Playing Musical Chairs Like Spo!! He Picked The Best 5 and Stuck with it.

Dashi,

You can't play for Harbaugh unless you're a grinder & a hard worker. He was a blue collar player & a blue collar coach. And btw--how many LT's in the country would have KILLED to have a chance to play with (& get noticed) one of the best QB prospects EVER??? That's not an exaggeration on Luck so clearly Harbaugh could have gotten almost any LT he wanted.

My guess is that there has to be more to Martin than what we saw last year. I trust Philbin on this one.

Well, if Hartline gets at least 6 recieving tds in 2013, I'll say its money well spent. Even 5tds, because that would mean that the arrows pointing up as far as Hartline's td production.

But 4 or less td's, then we hugely over spent for Hartline, because a rookie wr can come in and give us 4 tds recieving more cheaply.

Well, if the numbers are accurate, thats about 15 mil of cap space gone between Starks & Hartline. Ouch!

I like how who ever Miami drafts always has a huge down side. And always seems to under perform. It's super encouraging.

You should always look at Film of Players, Dashi, before talking about their abilities.

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