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Branden Albert and Dolphins talking again

The on-again, off-again talks between the Dolphins and the Branden Albert camp are on-again and they are quite hot right now, a club source is telling me this morning.

On Tuesday I sent out multiple texts to club sources and, as expected, got the silent treatment across the board. (I'v been told by sources that when I don't get responses, that usually means something is happening). But this morning I got one response and this team source tells me the Dolphins remain interested in Albert, are talking with Albert's camp, want to give him a physical, and will be talking to the Chiefs about him in the coming hours or days.

So this possible trade for the Kansas City Chiefs left tackle -- derailed recently by the Chiefs' wanting high draft compensation for him, the Dolphins declining to make a significant and tangible offer, and the Albert contract demands -- is back on track.

There are still hurdles apparently so it is too early to say this will definitely happen. But my sense is we're getting to that point where all the parties want answers and the answer is going to be get it done. The NFL draft begins tomorrow at 8 p.m.

I cannot say with certainty, but my speculation is the Dolphins would like to know by that time what Albert's health status is. That means they'd probably like to get him a physical by then. It's possible the Chiefs won't allow a physical before a trade is agreed to and make the trade contingent on that physical -- as is custom in most trades. So already you have different agendas at work.

It remains interesting to me that the draft-choice or player compensation to the Chiefs is more of a sticking point for the Dolphins than the contract with the player.

It boggles because the Albert camp wants significant money. Reports have been that Albert, who is currently signed to a $9.8 million franchise tender, wants to average $9 million per season and he wants it structured so that he's protected from being cut after just one year. The $9 million is elite left tackle money and one can argue that Albert is a good player but not an elite player.

The Dolphins, which have approximately $9 million in salary cap space now but get another $10 million after June 1 (from the release of Karlos Dansby and Kevin Burnett), have the necessary cap room to sign Albert and eventually sign their draft picks.

 

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"Jonathan Cooper - I can't vouch for his ability like Warmacks but by all accounts he's a notch below but still very good and a rare G prospect in his own right. I even saw a few analyst who prefer him over Warmack."

Andy,

If Warmack is gone & Cooper is still there then I'm all for it. Both players are NFL ready. If we get one of these guys & we trade for Albert our O-line could be outstanding this year.

Next up would be Lotulelei but if he's gone then a TE works for me.

Warmack is not even the 3rd most athletic guard in the draft.

Odin,

Moore is 1st rd material beyond the shadow of a doubt. Mock's have pushed him to possible 2nd rd(character issue). But it absolutely does not there wont be a desperate 1st rd gm that sees it entirely different.

Myself, I believe there's no way Moore will last until the 2nd rd. someone will scoop him up somewhere between mid to late 1st rd. Minus the character issue, he could definitely be a trop 10 pick.

I love the idea of Vacarro, though 12th overall might be a stretch. If we could trade down a tad and recoup a 2nd or 3rd and still get him. You betcha!

Reshad Jones, Vacarro and Clemons for depth sounds like a Big Time Upgrade in the Secondary.

Then match up Grimes with Jamar Taylor in the 2nd and Marshall moves back to where he's played best in the past, the nickel.

That would be a huge upgrade with our pass coverage, remembering our new Linebackers are also faster/quicker and supposedly a lot better in coverage!

By Ireland making these moves, he could be in the unique position to single handedly help bring about Brady's DEMISE-LOL!

We Need Playmakers,

Yeah I've had those problems before with disappearing post too man. Yeah I love Warmack. He's such a clean and at the same time dominant prospect from I have seen.

I guess there's no love for Guards and other interior until they become Larry Allen, Dwight Stephenson

Andy,

No doubt. A lot of people hated the Pouncey pick (I wanted a RT) & now he's one of our best players. Guys like Warmack & Cooper don't come along very often which is why is wouldn't shock me if they were both gone before we picked. Especially in THIS draft which is all over the place.

The Way I See It.

Our O-Line Coach Is Good Enough To Take An Athletic 2nd Round Pick, And Make Him Play Like A 1st Rounder.

Get A Guy Less Polished Than Warmack, And Get A Better Athlete. J. Cooper Is A Better Athlete. Armstead Is A Great Athlete They Can Get In The 2nd, Start Him At Guard Them Move Him Outside In A Couple Years.

1-E.Lacy
2-J.Cooper or T. Armstead If Available.
2-B.Albert
3-Lemonier
3-Elam

Albert is not only damaged goods. He doesn't even look like a good system fit for Miami's zone blocking, highly athletic offensive scheme. He's too slow and fat for that sh**, just ask Andy Reid himself if you don't want to believe me.

And then again: his back problems have been seriously understated up to this point.

I seriousy hope Joe Philbin keeps JI in check over this whole issue in a more pro-active manner from now on.

Warmack is not even the 3rd most athletic guard in the draft.

Dashi,

Please stop...The guy is definitely one of the best prospects in this draft. Maybe you don't watch or care to watch O-line play BUT this guy is supremely talented. If he stays healthy in the NFL the team that takes him is going to be VERY happy.

As much as I like Derrick Shelby and Oliver Vernon, I would still love to see how well Moore would do when bookended with Wake.

You never know with guys stepping up to the NFL level, especially DE's. Stuff the supposed character issues, Moore looks like a Natural.

We Need Playmakers,

I would be good with Star as another option as well. Theres quite a few guys I like in this draft which is why I wouldn't want to trade up and cost us the picks we wanted to fill other spots or trade down and end up with another Odrick/Misi combo.

Dashi @ 1:41, this may be true but the guy can play at a high level.

Albert is not only damaged goods. He doesn't even look like a good system fit for Miami's zone blocking, highly athletic offensive scheme. He's too slow and fat for that sh**, just ask Andy Reid himself if you don't want to believe me.

Hydrashock,

Honestly...Where do you come up with this stuff??? I just heard Charlie Casserly say two days ago that he believed Albert would be a 'great fit' in a zone blocking scheme.

Albert for a 3rd rounder is a no-brainer......the contract numbers can be worked....physical pending..if no-go due to poor physical test results issues, a 3rd rounder next year would be the probable compensation...

if Ireland waits until AFTER KC's pick, it's a distinct possibility....then we keep our picks Rnd 1 and 2, and get the LT as well.....if KC says no to the 3rd rounder...fugggem

Odin, not sure you heard but speculation abounds that the Pats will most certainly select our boy Jamar in the first round. I know .. I was bummed out too

Mark,

I know how the Odrick and Misi picks look. I even know most of the Guys we could have taken in those spots.

But in Ireland's defense, he was working with a Lame Duck SpOrano and still drafting for Nolan's 3-4 defense.

Doesn't do any good reiterating now, but I will say that Odrick and Misi both would be much more valuable to a team running the 3-4.

Warmack

I understand a Guard isn't a sexy pick but anyone knocking Warmack do me a favor and don't respond to me. If you don't like the pick then by all means feel free to go back and forth with me but if you are trying to knock Warmack's ability then I refuse to go back and forth with fools. so if I don't respond to you, now you know why.

Couldn't agree with you more Mitch. This is BS drama from a bunch of ESPN wannabes that think they know everything about the NFL. They are highly paid speculators more skilled in college players than what any real team in the NFL really wants/needs. It's all a media crap to make the NFL a year round drama, NY Jets anyone. It's MLB season and NBA playoffs. Learn something from MLB and don't burn your fans out with over saturation, or you'll burn out your brand. GO PHINS!

Odin,

They would be more valuable to a team running a 3-4 as opposed to a 4-3 but at the same time that doesn't make them more then average players. I actually think Misi even played better in a 4-3 then he did in a 3-4

I would be good with Star as another option as well. Theres quite a few guys I like in this draft which is why I wouldn't want to trade up and cost us the picks we wanted to fill other spots or trade down and end up with another Odrick/Misi combo.

Andy,

I don't think you can go wrong with taking Lotulelie & adding the best 4-3 DT in this draft. I'd prefer one of the Guards but @ 12 Star would be an excellent value pick.

The only player I'd trade up for is Fisher but since his stock has gone through the roof I'm either staying @ 12 or trading down if I'm targeting Damontre Moore or Ertz.


Odin, not sure you heard but speculation abounds that the Pats will most certainly select our boy Jamar in the first round. I know .. I was bummed out too

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | April 24, 2013 at 01:54 PM

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That's OK Mark, I have PUH-Lenty of Liquor on Hand for any such........."Developments".

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Odin, thsoe guys are average in any scheme. Odrick didn't start in that scheme the year ebfore and Misi was juat about the biggest piece of crap starting 3-4 OLB I've ever seen.

It was the worst draft under Ireland by miles and that's saying something considering the draft two years ago.

Paint it any which way you want but he's accountable at the end. That's HIS JOB... Not Sparano's not Philbin's not anyone else's

"I understand a Guard isn't a sexy pick but anyone knocking Warmack do me a favor and don't respond to me. If you don't like the pick then by all means feel free to go back and forth with me but if you are trying to knock Warmack's ability then I refuse to go back and forth with fools. so if I don't respond to you, now you know why."

LOL@Andy!!! Now that's a great post & I couldn't agree more. He's my 3rd favorite prospect (behind Fisher & Joeckel) in this entire draft.

8 Mill for a guy with a bad back?
Odin,pass the bottle.

Odin,

Its not about we already have Wake and Vernon. Wake turned 31yrs old in January of this year. So it's about having his replacement already in house that's very important too.

Wake has about 4 more great seasons left at best. That would make him 34yrs old. Its always the worst time to replace a great player when you need to. That;s usually when its most difficult to do so.

Then the replacement is usually far too costly in free agency or you don't draft high enough to get him.


I actually think Misi even played better in a 4-3 then he did in a 3-4

Posted by: AndyNJ | April 24, 2013 at 01:59 PM
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Yeah, I agree and weird too. Misi did seem to kick it up a notch since playing in the new 4-3.

I think it's still more of him getting his feet under him at this level than him fitting in better in this 4-3.

I'm still really wary of Misi and average. With Wheeler and Ellerbe here now, I'd prefer a big upgrade.

We Need Playmakers,

I don't like Ertz anywhere near as much as Eifert. Just my take but at the same time haven't seen as much of Ertz either.

As far as Damontre Moore to me he has so many red flags that doesn't make him a fit with Philbin. I don't have nothing personal against Moore but the immaturity issues have been raised on him a few times. I even read one article saying he likes to party and what college kid dont but his character from what I've read seems like a mismatch. Again it could all be a bunch of nothing if Sherman vouches for him.

Odin, thsoe guys are average in any scheme. Odrick didn't start in that scheme the year ebfore and Misi was juat about the biggest piece of crap starting 3-4 OLB I've ever seen.

It was the worst draft under Ireland by miles and that's saying something considering the draft two years ago.

Paint it any which way you want but he's accountable at the end. That's HIS JOB... Not Sparano's not Philbin's not anyone else's

Mark,

Too soon to judge last year's draft but the 2011 draft REALLY sucked too. Yes he got it right on Pouncey but look at the rest of it. Trading up to get Thomas??? Clyde Gates??? Charles Clay??? Miss after miss after miss.

Odin,

Good point and that might be the case. Maybe the games somewhat slowed down for Misi.

Actually, Brandon Jennings, pass rushing DE, FSU would probably be the top pass rushing prospect in this draft had he not went down early with a season ending injury.

I had in my mock draft 5th rd, but would draft him as early as 3rd rd, when looking for a possible pro bowl caliber draft steal. When completely healthy, this kid will make a great number of teams sorry they passed on him.

Also, Jenning's pass rush mate at FSU, Tank Carradine, I believe could also be a nfl pass rush terror.


Cocoa,

Your criticism of Ireland for this is probably unjustified & unfair. Ireland needs to win & he needs to win now so with Martin as your only LT the easy decision would have been to keep Long. However, Ireland came out & publicly said that his negotiations with Jake Long were 'very complicated.' Very complicated....Now what does that mean??? We really don't know. However, I'm pretty damn sure if Long was coming off a great year & he was healthy---with all of the cap space we had--it wouldn't have been 'very complicated' to get a deal done.

Posted by: We Have Playmakers | April 24, 2013 at 01:05 PM
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It's true we have don't know what goes on behind the closed doors. But IMO, Ireland held on too long to the hope of signing jake Long when he should have been exploring other options. Now it seems like it's Albert or bust. Why after being smart with other contracts in the last couple of weeks, why the tunnel vision?
I don't know, maybe it's not what it seems. Maybe Ireland has a ace up his sleeve. If he does, good for everybody.

Take Cooper at 12. Take Watson, Pugh or Armstead in the 2nd.
Whatever we do, let's stay away from Albert


Paint it any which way you want but he's accountable at the end. That's HIS JOB... Not Sparano's not Philbin's not anyone else's

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | April 24, 2013 at 02:02 PM
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Yep, he was the Officer In Charge, so it was his responsibility.

Now, having said that and just out of curiosity, if you were charged with building an NFL team, who would you choose to work with:

A. (mumblemumbleSpOrAnOmumblemumble)

or...

B. **$$ PHILBIN $$**

Who would you choose-LOL....?

"I don't like Ertz anywhere near as much as Eifert. Just my take but at the same time haven't seen as much of Ertz either.

As far as Damontre Moore to me he has so many red flags that doesn't make him a fit with Philbin. I don't have nothing personal against Moore but the immaturity issues have been raised on him a few times. I even read one article saying he likes to party and what college kid dont but his character from what I've read seems like a mismatch. Again it could all be a bunch of nothing if Sherman vouches for him."

I watched a good amount of Stanford games last year & Ertz is a gamer. Love this kid. He reminds me a LOT of Jason Witten. He just finds a way to get open & makes plays.

As for Moore--it all comes down to how Sherman feels about him. My rationale behind taking him was that we'd only do this IF & only IF Sherman vouched for him. If we took him that would mean that Sherman signed off on him.

The truly smart fans are the ones who recognize they will be completely wrong about 90% of these players, regardless of what they 'think' they know.

It has always been that way and always will be.

Not a single one of you has any special insight or the ability to accurately assess how these players will do.

There is no harm in that, but I wonder who is man enough to admit they really DON'T know.

Only thing Koa Misi's really gotten good at is setting the edge in the run game.

You can play him inside because he has a tendancy to over run plays and at times doesn't get off of blocks quickly enough. He's not a great pass rusher because he has one gear and practically only one pass rush move. That's straight ahead, nfl olineman are too good to beat with only 1 pass rush move.

Then his pass coverage is ok, but far from great. Maybe slightly under very good too. His only true value is setting the edge in the run game. That he does very well.

WHP: like I said before, most KC bloggers and posters out there are happy to get rid from this diva, and almost everyone of them seems concerned with his back issues. You can check it out by yourself:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kansas+city+football+blogs

Also, some of them don't even believe Albert is athletic enough to live up to Andy Reid's well known offensive playbook:

http://presnapreads.com/2013/04/18/nfl-draft-2013-what-luke-joeckel-offers-to-kansas-city-chiefs/

Football GM's are not as dumb as the people on this post.We need to get Lacy with #12 if he is still there, and he may not be.

This guy's very presence on the field is a game changer. Every Defensive back will start to hyperventilate when he struts on the field. Can you stop him, sure. All you have to do is keep 8 in the box and run blitz often to tackle him before he gets up to speed. I think Wallace and Tannehill might have an answer for that tactic.

Albert
Lacy
Corner or linebacker
Linebacker or corner

Trade all other picks to improve next years draft position. We will need them being Superbowl champions

Woodshed,

Malik Watson is considered a project and wont be a starter right away. His pass protection was considered suspect at FSU. Well, at least decent, but not whats expected at the nfl level.

DJ Fluker is rated above Watson and Fluker has pass protect issues too.

The truly smart fans are the ones who recognize they will be completely wrong about 90% of these players, regardless of what they 'think' they know.

It has always been that way and always will be.

Not a single one of you has any special insight or the ability to accurately assess how these players will do.

There is no harm in that, but I wonder who is man enough to admit they really DON'T know.

Reality,

That's what makes the draft so fascinating. NO ONE (including myself) knows sh#t. There are NO elite skilled players in this draft like an Andrew Luck or a Calvin Johnson or a Larry Fitzgerald or an Adrian Peterson.

BTW--In addition to not knowing how a player's skill level will adapt to the NFL there's ALWAYS the element of injury with every player. One of the top rated O-line can blow out his knee before camp even begins & then blow his other knee out the following season. It happens all the time. You can't predict health.

Reality...I personally don't know squat...but I knew the guy who knows the guy who don't know Jack Shyte.....

Odin, I don't know how you choose a guy as your head coach who sounds like a mumbling moron. We have the same problem with the Blue jays here. They have this all star lineup and asked Boomhower from King of the Hill to be their manager. Then they are surprised they're in last place.

NFL teams are big businesses. You need intelligent, articulate, strong men in positions of power on each team.

You are absolutely correct. Philbin all the way.

Playmakers, I don't disagree with that at all. I find it interesting as well.

I was only speaking of those who get too carried away with their 'divining' abilities and forget they will never be any closer to the game than their TV sets. I think they need the occasional reminder that they will be absolutely, spectacularly wrong about the majority of these players and how they'll do (or won't do) as pros.

PLease no more mention of Menelik Watson. This guy is as weak as martin. It would be comedic to have martin and Watson bookend this line. Although the team would lead the league in YAT (yards after toss of offensive tackles)

Buster, I've met that guy too! He posts here, right? :)

.....absolutely....

The great thing about this draft is that, even though there are no cant miss players, there are a slew of very good players.

Usually, a draft has the 3-4 elite draft picks, then the dominant number of the rest are only avg to good. The strength of this draft is unquestionably unusual number of "very good" players.

That's what's most rare about this draft. There might be 30 players that have a great chance to become a pro bowler at least once in their careers.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | April 24, 2013 at 02:28 PM

I 100% agree unless he's still on the board about 5th rd. He would easily be the best developmental olineman on the board 5th rd. BPA, if you wish.

WHP: like I said before, most KC bloggers and posters out there are happy to get rid from this diva, and almost everyone of them seems concerned with his back issues. You can check it out by yourself:

Hydra Shock,

Hmmm....Chief fans. These are the same fans who were cheering when Matt Cassel got hurt last year right???

I guarantee you that there were a LOT of Chief fans who were happy when they traded Jared Allen to the Vikings too. Kept getting arrested for DUI's remember??? Allen hasn't missed a start in five seasons in Minnesota & has had 74 sacks. Throw in the sacks he had in KC & he's way over 100 so far. That's a potential HOFer. I'd say that trade worked out pretty damn well for the Vikings. So in short--I don't give a f#ck what Chief fans think.

This news makes it clear that it is officially time to panic. I plan to spend the afternoon running in circles in my office with my arms flailing, screaming praise of Jeff Ireland.

"Playmakers, I don't disagree with that at all. I find it interesting as well.

I was only speaking of those who get too carried away with their 'divining' abilities and forget they will never be any closer to the game than their TV sets. I think they need the occasional reminder that they will be absolutely, spectacularly wrong about the majority of these players and how they'll do (or won't do) as pros."

Reality,

Let's just hope that's not the case for Ireland this year b/c if he blows this draft he'll be one of those people watching the games on TV.

I don't get the infatuation with Tyler Eifert on here or by scouts. he does NOTHING great. NOTHING.

He's OK at blocking, ok at running, inconsistent separation, and OK hands. He has good, not great size.

So how is he going to turn a bunch of OK skills into being a Pro Bowl type player compared to the guys currently playing in the NFL?

Hydrashock,

Excuse me--It's actually 117 career sacks for Jared Allen in nine seasons. How do those Chief fans like that trade now???

I want to go on record that this is going to be the Dolphins best draft in over a decade.....

GO Aqua and Orange...Go Fins!!!!!!!!

I respect your own opinion. Like I respect those opinions from the guys in KC who also seem to love this game.

Still, I don't believe Andy Reid HIMSELF is eager to keep Branden Albert playing LT for the chefs next season.


Let's just hope that's not the case for Ireland this year b/c if he blows this draft he'll be one of those people watching the games on TV.

Posted by: We Have Playmakers | April 24, 2013 at 02:39 PM

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No question!

That said, IF Ireland was canned I think Jerry Jones would bring him back to Dallas (in some capacity) in a nanosecond. He always held him in very great esteem.

We have to remember what a small club the NFL actually is and how guys tend to resurface over and over.

And, hey, remember how bad Rick Spielman was in Miami? Same Rick Spielman was named 'NFL Executive of the Year' a couple of years later in Minnesota.

On balance, I think JI has been pretty average by NFL standards on the hits and misses since Parcells left. But obviously with the extra ammo this year he is under the gun to have a BETTER than average draft.

Could you blame Reid...no coach wants a player who dictates where HE is and isn't going to play....give me a friggen break!!!

.....and that , more than anything is what has been bothersome about this trade ever since they began talking about it.....

Actually, when I look at it, Eric Fisher could become this draft's biggest bust. Here's why:

Yes, he played well in college. Yes he had a great combine. But what gives Joeckel the huge edge and also represents why Fisher could easily become bust is competition level.

Joeckel consistently went against top pass rushers weekend and week out. We only got a small snapshot of how Fisher can play against top pass rushers at the Senior bowl. Just because he did great against some of them in a small snapshot. In no ways mean he can do the same over a 16 gamenfl grind.

He just wasn't use to doing this over a entire seasonal stretch on his lower level of completion. Nothing against him, but every Sunday, going against nfl caliber pass rushers, is a far cry from just doing it for5 1 week at the Senior Bowl.

Therefore, Im placing Fisher on my 2013 biggest nfl bust watch. Nothing against him, but because of the level of competition, 16 games playing against the nfl's best will become a huge "culture shock" for him.

At the level Fisher played on, Im sure he was so much better than the competition he played against, he could take plays off and still be dominant. On the nfl level, he wont have that luxury, and he'll have to give 110% over an entire 16 game season.

Year one at least, should be total culture shock to him.

John Elway dictated where he wanted to play. So have plenty of others of lesser stature who approved or nixed trades based on their preference or distaste for certain teams.

This is nothing unusual or new at all.

I respect your own opinion. Like I respect those opinions from the guys in KC who also seem to love this game.

Still, I don't believe Andy Reid HIMSELF is eager to keep Branden Albert playing LT for the chefs next season.

Hydrashock,

Andy Reid has no choice. When he took over the job he knew that he had the Number 1 overall pick & he knew no one is going to trade up to the Number 1 pick to take a LT. Like it or not Reid has to take Joeckel or Fisher b/c there's no one else.

If we make a deal with the Chiefs for Albert then it was a smart decision to franchise Albert BUT if not then it backfired on them & they have to pay him close to $10 Million.

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