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Dolphins move on Albert should depend on details

Sometimes the devil is in the details and that's where the Dolphins are with Branden Albert.

As multiple media sources reported Wednesday, and as I reported on this blog on March 22, the Dolphins are considering making a trade for the Kansas City Chiefs franchise player.

[Update: John Clayton of ESPN is reporting the Dolphins have been given permission to speak with Albert and he'll visit the Dolphins and take a physical soon. Barry Jackson of The Miami Herald is reporting the sides are talking contract.]

On its face, the idea makes sense.

The Dolphins lost left tackle Jake Long to St. Louis in free agency. The club has a need and coach Joe Philbin didn't exactly endorse the idea of Jonathan Martin as his starting left tackle when he discussed the issue last month. The Dolphins also had a price point for Long and they have not used the cap space that was intended for Long on anyone else.

So the team can afford to sign Branden Albert and believes Albert to be a left tackle upgrade over Martin.

But ...

The devil is in the details.

The only way this trade makes sense is if the Dolphins do it in conjunction with another trade and only after Texas A&M left tackle Luke Joeckel comes off the board on draft day. That's right, this trade only makes sense if Joeckel isn't available because if he is on draft day, the Dolphins look like fools.

Consider:

If Joeckel goes No. 1 overall to Kansas City, then the Dolphins can be certain the best LT in the draft is gone and they move on. But if KC picks Eric Fisher and Joekel drops to No. 3 or No. 4, the Dolphins must, must, must try to trade up to get him. That move would be expensive in that it would require a second-round pick and other considerations. But it makes more sense than the Albert trade because that also will require a second-round pick plus a more expensive contract than Joeckel.

And Joeckel, unproven in the NFL as he is, is probably going to be a better player than Albert.

So the Dolphins would be going for a better player (Joeckel) using basically the same draft pick compensation (well, maybe more expensive but only slightly) and pay a lower contract in the transaction.

So if the Dolphins don't wait for draft day to make this Albert trade, they're not really thinking through all the contingencies. And if Joeckel then falls, the Dolphins will look downright foolish.

Then there is this:

Even if Joeckel goes No. 1 overall as expected, the Dolphins can simply trade a No. 2 for Albert, but they would still look kind of silly. You see, why pay a high draft pick and a big contract to Branden Albert when you could have had Jake Long for the big contract and kept the pick?

You mean to say the Dolphins played hardball with Long only to cave on Albert?

I understand Long is seemingly diminished and often injured. Trust me, I made the point here many times. But Albert comes with no guarantees, either. He basically had a very good season in 2012. But it was only good enough for the Chiefs to want to trade him. He's been injured during his career. He's struggled with weight issues. He was a turnstile in 2009, giving up nine sacks.

And, again, the Chiefs are willing to let him go so they can draft a rookie to play the same position.

So it's not like Branden Albert is a slam dunk worth-it move.

This is where the devil has to be in the details.

If the Dolphins pay Albert as much as Long got in St. Louis, they look dumb. If the Dolphins get Albert for much cheaper, they still have a find a way to recover that second-round pick they still gave up for him.

And how do they do that?

Well, here is my perfect scenario that would prevent me from thinking the Dolphins got ripped off on getting Branden Albert. If the Dolphins trade away their lower of two second-round picks for Albert and then trade down from No. 12 overall to a lower pick in the first round while then pickinng up a second-rounder for the move, I'll be straight. I'll be good.

The haul would then be a lower first, Albert (albeit at a big contract) and two second rounders for all those moves.

The trade down would mitigate the sting of giving up a second for Albert because it recovers a second-rounder for the trade down.

By the way, if the Dolphins somehow end up giving Albert more money than Long got from St. Louis, something is significantly amiss because even with his multiple injury issues, Long was still a better player than Albert when healthy.

All this has to play out.

The devil will be in the details.

 

needs to be part of another draft-day trade down

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We don't need Barkley or any quarterback


BPA at #12 will be Matt Barkley QB USC.

Posted by: Steve in Ottawa | April 18, 2013 at 05:46 PM

To heavy a price to pay just to have a qb camp competition. Especially in light of having bigger fish to fry at other positions.

Barkley= BUST

I fail to understand this BPA concept. What if BPA was a center? Should Miami take him when they already have a young top center? That would be senseless. Does Indy take BPA if it is a QB? I don't believe any GM drafts that blindly. They still have to consider the best player that fits their needs.

Speaking of BPA:

Say Albert costs our lower 2nd rd pick. Wouldn't Albert be absolute BPA with our lower 2nd rd pick?

Youre damn right he would be!

KC is desperate to get something before the draft. Ireland can get Albert for a 3rd if he waits a little longer.

As much as Cooper and Warmack make sense I do not want to see a OG taken at #12... utterly fail. Let Jerry and Louis battle it out for the starting position this year and if it's a catastrophe then draft one high next year and let Jerry walk... Jerry is going into his 3rd year let's not jump the gun and dump a 1st team all SEC conference OT/OG picked in the 3rd rd which was considered a steal at the time seeing how he was projected to go in the 2nd. Doesn't make sense you have to develop your players and that OL coach last year seems to have lit the proverbial fire under his bum.

Posted by: Bodine | April 18, 2013 at 05:52 PM

Would take an absolute water weak draft for a center to be BPA in the first couple rds of any draft. Usually if a center is that good he'll be gone within the 1st 15 picks.

Anyway, if you have a center of Pouncey's caliber, you needn't worry. Basically, you choose BPA at a position that upgrades what you already have at the position. not simply because he's BPA when you pick.

BPA has to upgrade a present starting position.

Armstead could wind up being one of the best OTs in the draft... high boom/bust chance but he'd be there in the 2nd and if he's as good as Albert then it'd be a huge mistake considering the money we'd be saving for the next four years...

Yesterday's Gone 4Ever! | April 18, 2013 at 05:58 PM

Exactly my point.

yg........

TO BE
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TO MUCH TAK ABOUT NOTHING ,,,,,,

I don't think we are picking LT first. I think this is all well calculated smoke screen. Ireland let Long walk while knew very well the draft situation. Ireland has his eye on something else.

Anyone else more of a fan of Cooper than Warmack? Cooper just seems like more of a mauler for the run game imo...


As much as Cooper and Warmack make sense I do not want to see a OG taken at #12... utterly fail.

Posted by: B33RCA53 | April 18, 2013 at 05:57 PM

There used to be an automotive tv commercial in the late 70's I think. The garage mechanic had a famous quote:

"Pay me now, or pay me later!"

Our present og situation reminds me of this. Cogs could be gone in 2-3 seasons at most. Jerry doesn't look like a long term solution RG and a hole could be soon opening at LG.

This will have to be addressed soon. Do it now, or wait until its an absolute necessity a short few seasons later. So if you pass on a golden opportunity to pounce on Cooper or Warmack now. In a few short seasons, you can be kicking yourself in the ass for not pouncing when you had chance.

Especially if either are pro bowl OG on another nfl roster. While Cogs is gone and Jerry finally became a washout. Like the man said:

"You can pay me now, or you can pay me later".

Paying later is always the more expensive cost.


Yesterday's Gone 4Ever! | April 18, 2013 at 05:58 PM

Exactly my point.

Posted by: Bodine | April 18, 2013 at 06:02 PM

Bodine,

If youre talent rich almost everywhere, sort of like the Niners. You can draft BPA just to fortify your backup positions. Its gives you a year or two to develop these guys into very good starters. So you don't lose a beat if you lose a starter to free agency.

But its very rare many teams are ever in this position.

Ireland is far more desperate then KC.

makes sense other than the fact it's not a core position and as of now it's not a hole. Next year when Jerry's rookie contract is up then yes... But Cogs is solid and Jerry's got another year... at #12 you pick someone who will make an immediate impact. Not sure how much of an improvement either will be over a 3rd year Jerry... Although I do see your point I feel that RG can be addressed next year if Jerry/ Louis/ Garner fail this year... Last year gives me hope seeing how Jerry was not the weakest link on that line. He held his own for much of the season so I give him kudos.

I do like the idea of Cooper next to pouncey though but then you'd be moving Cogs back to RG... I dunno I'm on the other side of that argument I guess. I like Eifert/ Vaccaro / Patterson at 12 personally.

Though its difficult to replace any starter. The single most difficult starting position to replace always has and always will be the qb position.

No matter how great the team, weak qb play sabotouges everything.

When you look up desperate in a dictionary ya see a picture of Ireland lol

LOVE
PEACE
DIGNITY
RESPECT
ALL THESE WORDS HAVE NO MEANING IN THIS BLOG ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

The better you can protect Tannehill, the greater his 2nd yr progress will be. I don't care who we add on offense or defense. If Tannehill can feel lots of air in his protection. It will all be for nil.

There will be no real consistency in Tanehill's play if he's not consistently afforded he best protection possible. Vaccaro cant change this and neither can Eiffert. But you can always draft a TE or Safety in 2014.

But you don't want to have to add the qb position to that 2014 list to.

Cogs gone in 2-3 years... Next year most likely, possibly this if the Dolphins draft Cooper in the first and another in the third. Which is a definate possibility.

I agree that's why I think they need to get the best available TE for Tannehill to have a safety net to throw at. I do understand your viewpoint on Keller I just don't agree with it... Keller is injury prone thus the 1 year contract and Eifert to me is an upgrade even if DK is 100%... He will add strength to the run game and pass attack. Immediate improvement at our #2 TE pos cuz Keller will just add onto that pass attack. He is a dynamic receiving TE no doubt. I also feel like Lane should be cut and Clay should go back to the FB position... Lane is a disappointment.

1st protection, then weapons, are your qb's greatest ally. If he doesn't excel then, without question, you know he has to be replaced.

BTW the Classic auto commercial you're referring to was for Fram Oil Filters

Omar wrong again. Fins have no interest in Albert. His 'sources' routinely make him look like a fool. What a loser.

Keller injury proned? I suggest you stop being a parrot and research for yourself. Prior to 2012, Keller missed 0 games his entire career.

Stop spreading falsehoods of those who are also to lazy to research it and google Keller for yourself. this once I'll help:

http://www.nfl.com/player/dustinkeller/1074/careerstats

Posted by: Jeremy in the Canadian Cowtown | April 18, 2013 at 06:23 PM

Exactly! Thanks or the refresh, been a long long time. LOL...

You can pay me now YG

Jeremy,

If we make playoffs this year we'll call it even, ok bud? LOL...

As soon as the 2013 season ends and Miami is 5-11 the Dolfans are going to strap Ireland to a rocket and let Ross light the fuse that sends him out of the state. This is going to be fun to watch.

As soon as the 2013 season ends and Miami is 5-11 the Dolfans are going to strap Ireland to a rocket and let Ross light the fuse that sends him out of the state. This is going to be fun to watch.

Until then, we will strap Green Greenie to the rocket outta here.

almost schedule time!

The change in YG has been so drastic that it might not be him at all. heehee

I don't think the Fins are so much looking at when Cogs will be gone. They want to upgrade to guards who are better fits for the zone blocking scheme and athletic enough to get to the second level.

I think Cooper actually fits what there looking for more than Warmack.

Who knows if they'll go guard in the 1st rd though, they may go with someone like Larry Warford in the 2nd or 3rd or someone even later.

how many games did he play last season?

More stupid sheet Nikt say. I mean YG says.

Warmack is the constant demonator in all of the success Bama rb's have had for the past 3 seasons.

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone 4Ever! | April 18, 2013 at 02:27 PM

What is this "constant demonator" you speak of lol...?

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YG HAS NO DIGNITY ..HE CHANGES HIS VIEWS WITOUT ANY REGARD TO SELF RESPECT.........................

WITHOUT

by that standard how do you label Jake Long injury prone? he only missed 4 games last year and two the year before... he played with injuries as did Keller... Just becuz he was active 8 games in that stat line doesn't mean he played that much. Some writer reported he was only active in the pass game for 5 of those 8 games... the 23 rec and minimal production prove that point

Well, we have to give him credit, ALoco. He has invented a whole new persona for him.

@ We Know

Apparently, you don't. But do keep playing these silly little games if it helps you to get through the day.

he meant denominator and it kinda makes sense but for fluker and jones being there as starters for the last 3 years as well. They always have a well rounded run focused line...

id take whatever of the 3 is there: warmack,jones,millner

But his Language....continues to have the foulest potential.

DB you like Jarvis Jones as a 4-3 end?

Cooper then lacy one and two how you like that boys

I thought he was being tagged as a 3-4 olb I maybe wrong though...

I want a running game to go with our arial attack

i like jones simply as a player with a very high motor.

Pound lacy up the gut then bring in Lamar to take take it to the house

Man we are gonna kick some butt

The Draft falls on a Thursday? Strange day for it.

i have zero interest in lacy. ran in college behind an nfl line. hes not fast at all. nothing more than another ingram

Thursday , fri, sat, Oscar

prime time oscar, first round only, all about money

Ok so we take stafon Taylor in the 4th

lacy would be worth a 3rd round pick, nothing higher.

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