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Dolphins move on Albert should depend on details

Sometimes the devil is in the details and that's where the Dolphins are with Branden Albert.

As multiple media sources reported Wednesday, and as I reported on this blog on March 22, the Dolphins are considering making a trade for the Kansas City Chiefs franchise player.

[Update: John Clayton of ESPN is reporting the Dolphins have been given permission to speak with Albert and he'll visit the Dolphins and take a physical soon. Barry Jackson of The Miami Herald is reporting the sides are talking contract.]

On its face, the idea makes sense.

The Dolphins lost left tackle Jake Long to St. Louis in free agency. The club has a need and coach Joe Philbin didn't exactly endorse the idea of Jonathan Martin as his starting left tackle when he discussed the issue last month. The Dolphins also had a price point for Long and they have not used the cap space that was intended for Long on anyone else.

So the team can afford to sign Branden Albert and believes Albert to be a left tackle upgrade over Martin.

But ...

The devil is in the details.

The only way this trade makes sense is if the Dolphins do it in conjunction with another trade and only after Texas A&M left tackle Luke Joeckel comes off the board on draft day. That's right, this trade only makes sense if Joeckel isn't available because if he is on draft day, the Dolphins look like fools.

Consider:

If Joeckel goes No. 1 overall to Kansas City, then the Dolphins can be certain the best LT in the draft is gone and they move on. But if KC picks Eric Fisher and Joekel drops to No. 3 or No. 4, the Dolphins must, must, must try to trade up to get him. That move would be expensive in that it would require a second-round pick and other considerations. But it makes more sense than the Albert trade because that also will require a second-round pick plus a more expensive contract than Joeckel.

And Joeckel, unproven in the NFL as he is, is probably going to be a better player than Albert.

So the Dolphins would be going for a better player (Joeckel) using basically the same draft pick compensation (well, maybe more expensive but only slightly) and pay a lower contract in the transaction.

So if the Dolphins don't wait for draft day to make this Albert trade, they're not really thinking through all the contingencies. And if Joeckel then falls, the Dolphins will look downright foolish.

Then there is this:

Even if Joeckel goes No. 1 overall as expected, the Dolphins can simply trade a No. 2 for Albert, but they would still look kind of silly. You see, why pay a high draft pick and a big contract to Branden Albert when you could have had Jake Long for the big contract and kept the pick?

You mean to say the Dolphins played hardball with Long only to cave on Albert?

I understand Long is seemingly diminished and often injured. Trust me, I made the point here many times. But Albert comes with no guarantees, either. He basically had a very good season in 2012. But it was only good enough for the Chiefs to want to trade him. He's been injured during his career. He's struggled with weight issues. He was a turnstile in 2009, giving up nine sacks.

And, again, the Chiefs are willing to let him go so they can draft a rookie to play the same position.

So it's not like Branden Albert is a slam dunk worth-it move.

This is where the devil has to be in the details.

If the Dolphins pay Albert as much as Long got in St. Louis, they look dumb. If the Dolphins get Albert for much cheaper, they still have a find a way to recover that second-round pick they still gave up for him.

And how do they do that?

Well, here is my perfect scenario that would prevent me from thinking the Dolphins got ripped off on getting Branden Albert. If the Dolphins trade away their lower of two second-round picks for Albert and then trade down from No. 12 overall to a lower pick in the first round while then pickinng up a second-rounder for the move, I'll be straight. I'll be good.

The haul would then be a lower first, Albert (albeit at a big contract) and two second rounders for all those moves.

The trade down would mitigate the sting of giving up a second for Albert because it recovers a second-rounder for the trade down.

By the way, if the Dolphins somehow end up giving Albert more money than Long got from St. Louis, something is significantly amiss because even with his multiple injury issues, Long was still a better player than Albert when healthy.

All this has to play out.

The devil will be in the details.

 

needs to be part of another draft-day trade down

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wrong craig, radio here reporting done. could be finally even by end fo friday

dusty,

We'll see. Is this like your report that Cowher was the next HC and then your report it was Jim Harbaugh?

So Dusty...what are they saying the compensation to KC is....a 2ndrounder? which one? do we know?

I get your point Mark. I understand. So explain this to me:

Why do you think the Chiefs would prefer to pick Joeckel than trade down a few slots and fill another need, get more picks back, and keep Albert at LT?

The thing that continues to bug me is the Chiefs probably have options other than getting rid of Albert. But they'd prefer to do that.

Mando,

What other options??? KC is backed into a corner. The consensus seems to be that Joeckel is the best prospect in the draft BUT no one wants to trade enough picks to get him at 1. So what should KC take the player who is not the best player in the draft??? That's drafting horizontally based on need like Ireland does which quite frankly is a ridiculous way to operate & the results speak for themselves. This is NOT a RG3 situation where teams are willing to bet the ranch....He's a solid LT but not elite. I'd be shocked if any GM's have Joeckel or Fisher higher rated than they had Matt Kalil last year.

KC knew the deal with this draft & Joeckel being the top pick before they franchised Albert & clearly their plan was/is to try to get something for him.

never said that, told u when they were flying to interview harbaugh. and i predicted cowher would be offered job. all reports are they called him and he said no thanks. but nice try. i like this deal, u should to. albert can play

If the Dolphins do this it's going to undo a lot of really good work this offseason. It's clear they don't think Martin is the answer at LT but you don't make this trade a week before the draft....you wait.

Armando is RIGHT on with his picks. I sense we'll all be sitting here a year or two from know saying, 'one of the dumbest moves we made was giving up a second for Albert and paying him all that money'. Just dumb!

WNP...that sounds logical enough....

If this deal goes thru it will have great implications both in the Draft and outside of it. It could mean a trade of Randy Starks, for one.

Craig M...isn't that always the way of things...if it works, they're genius, but if it tanks, they are dumb as rocks....

any word whether it's te first 2nd or 2nd 2nd?

Oscar...if they trade Starks, it would surprise the heck out of me....

i sure dont craig, think we will be scoring pts and in playoffs thanking a solid oline for protecting thills back. its official balt at denver to pen season

"I am not saying Branden Albert has similar problems. But there is a reason KC is content getting rid of him. What are they? What don't we know?"

Mando,

That could be but then why franchise him & run the risk that NO ONE ponies up for him. If teams shy away from wanting to commit big dollars to Albert for a long term deal then they're on the hook for over $9 Mil this year.

And btw--people used this same argument for Mike Wallace. If Wallace was so great then why did the Steelers let him go??? IMO--They couldn't afford to keep him since they did offer him a deal last year before the Steelers paid Antonio Brown.

dusty,

All I care about is the team winning. Giving players who aren't worth it bloated contracts is not how you win a Championship. I'm really starting to question where this team is going when I look at the contracts that Wallace, Starks, Soliai, and the two LBers we signed in FA will be getting. Forget what you think of these guys as players. That's not the issue. We're heading the exact same way the Jets did if we make this move. We'll have a two year window to window and then we'll be in salary cap Hell. and it might come at the expense of losing a Pouncey or a Wake down the road.

f the Dolphins do this it's going to undo a lot of really good work this offseason. It's clear they don't think Martin is the answer at LT but you don't make this trade a week before the draft....you wait.

Armando is RIGHT on with his picks. I sense we'll all be sitting here a year or two from know saying, 'one of the dumbest moves we made was giving up a second for Albert and paying him all that money'. Just dumb!

Craig,

Oh please...You're such a drama queen sometimes. The real mistake would have been to re-sign Long who is DONE.

dusty,

I don't want a team that competes for a year or two and then is sh8t again. I want to be where the Ravens and Packers are....competing every year. Moves like these don't get us there. They're short-sighted. It's a panic move on Ireland's part if he makes it, which I'm not convinced he will.

Craig......right now the emphasis is on making the team more competitive...so sometimes you throw caution to the wind...this is one of those times...

WNPs,

I'm a 'drama Queen'?? Why, because it doesn't jive with your thoughts? Seriously....what an arrogant f8cking comment!

And you're back on the Long discussion again. I thought we cleared that up.

i agree on some of that craig. the lb's contracts were horrible. bad moves. but overall this team is getting better and better. and albert is very good. kc fans not happy about this

craig when wakes contract is up he wont be worth much anyways, be another freeney on the market by then

Dusty..he better be very very good.....

Imagine how Starks will feel if we sign a franchise Player to a long term contract from ANOTHER Team, Buster. How would you feel? Would he want to play? He might even hold out from mandatory Activities. Then, it would be better to trade him or give him what he wants

Buster,

Throwing caution to the wind describes going and getting one of the young LT's in the draft. You want a team to trade up with....trade up with the Raiders at 3 and get Eric Fisher. We could probably get it done for a 1st, a 2nd and Bess. Hell even throw in a pick next year for all I care. The Raiders are screaming for someone to trade down with. Much smarter move than trading for and overpaying for Albert, IMO. I think they'll regret this one if it happens, which I still don't believe it will.

Why make it a WEEK before the draft. Dumb move! Force their hand. Make them pick Joeckel and then let them figure it out. That's what I believe will happen.

hes very good. def worth a second rd pick


How about this scenario, Dolphins trade down with their first round pick at 12 and pick up another second or third round pick,( along with that teams pick in the later part of the first round). Then Miami packages 2 second round picks with a 4th round pick to move back up into the first round for another late first round pick. With those 2 late first round picks Miami picks Tyler Eifert, and Menelik Watson or D.J. Fluker. These players may be available from picks 20 to 30. Other possiblities late in the first round are Ezekiel Ansah and Desmond Trufant. Sorry to all those Tavon Austin fans but he'll be gone between the 10 and 20th pick.
Armando's scenario, he said Miami is waiting to see if Luke Joeckel falls, I think is a little short sighted. I think Miami only pulls the trigger on Albert if 4 players are not available to them either by standing pat or by a feasible trade up. They are Joeckel(no chance),Fisher(slim chance) or Lane Johnson or this is where Miami could be really smoke screening everyone, sneaking up to grab Dee Milliner? I would take anyone of the those scenarios over succumbing to paying Albert what he wants and a second round pick just to get him. If we do that, you are admitting you screwed up by letting Long go. Those who don't like taking an unproven player vs. a veteran, I liken it to the analogy of buying a new car vs. one with 30,000 miles on it already. I like the young talented kid with that new car shine, vs. the used car you have to keep putting money into to keep it going.

"[Update: John Clayton of ESPN is reporting the Dolphins have been given permission to speak with Albert and he'll visit the Dolphins and take a physical soon.]"

Craig,

So much for this being a 'smoke screen'....LOL!!!

If Philbin gives the green light then he believes Albert will be an upgrade over Long. I'm giving Philbin the benefit of the doubt since he saw Long practice & play all season last year & oh yeah, the guy knows a thing or two about O-line play & what he's looking for in the zone blocking scheme.

I don't see it that way Oscar....whole different position...One guy Defense , one Offense, etc..

not a problem in my mind...

craig great chance kc takes fisher, they love him

yeah playmakers i tried telling craig that awhile ago deal was done. kc radio blowing up on it

Oscar....maybe it'll pizz him off, and he'll be even more motivated to kick butt

WNP agreed...I like the move if big Joe does....

WNPs,

Media speculation, bud. It's simply that at this point. Remember how excited some fans got about Manning coming to town. Or Fisher. Or Harbaugh. Or even Flynn. NONE of it happened...NONE.

I believe the Dolphins are just doing their due dilligence on this guy. We'll see.

Well, you can't have Them all.

dusty,

I love Fisher too. That's the guy I see with the most upside....the best player at the position. That's who I would take too but it's there call.

I'm a 'drama Queen'?? Why, because it doesn't jive with your thoughts? Seriously....what an arrogant f8cking comment!

And you're back on the Long discussion again. I thought we cleared that up.

Craig,

I didn't know you were done on Long. Okay. Let's move on then. I just don't get why you think that Philbin doesn't know what he's doing. If this was Sparano then okay, I'd get it, but Philbin is not a joke.

Dusty I Know Winston Sucked More Than The Marlins. But Some Have Him As An Answer Down Here.

I Would Rather Sign Mckinnie Than Winston. And B. Albert Over Both Of Them.

well albert is coming if ireland can get him to agree to a deal. id draft warmack or millner in first rd now. warmack make the oline sick

Letting Long walk looks like another huge blunder with no backup.

WNPs,

Again this isn't about Albert the player. It's about what's best for the team long term. Maybe Philbin's looking at a 2-3 year window to get this done....I don't know.

I'm still not convinced they are doing this. Sorry. Once it's done then OK....but I'm not buying it right now.

Craig M...isn't that always the way of things...if it works, they're genius, but if it tanks, they are dumb as rocks....

Buster,

Exactly. No one can predict the future. However if we sign Albert then clearly Ireland/Philbin don't have the same concerns about Albert's back as they did about all of Jake's injuries & declining play.

Who cares if losing Long LOOKS dumb?
He was hurt, he lost skill from injuries and he was expensive.
Move on!

We are not in great need on the DLine, Buster. We are on the Oline.

okay...so if this deal is completed....what do we do at #12? Try to trade down and recoup the 2nd rounder given to KC? Or go BPA at that spot?

letting long walk looks like a genius move

basically we traded v davis for albert. fantastic move

Again this isn't about Albert the player. It's about what's best for the team long term. Maybe Philbin's looking at a 2-3 year window to get this done....I don't know.

I'm still not convinced they are doing this. Sorry. Once it's done then OK....but I'm not buying it right now.

Craig,

Ireland needs to win NOW. He's in the last year of his deal & I believe Ross has been more than fair to him but this is where the rubber meets the road.

Who knows??? Maybe Albert will fail a physical or they think he's a jack#ss.

Craig M,

Lisa brought an extra sandwich so we're good but thanks anyway!

Going to be at McConnell Park around 3 if you want to meet up!

Now, it wouldn't surprise me if they draft first one of those big, push up the middle, huge DTs, a la Vince W. Brady is allergic to them.

Reportedly Stephen Ross has been selling discounted Jake Long, Chad Henne, and Reggie Bush jerseys out of the trunk of his car.

Someone just said to take Womack at #12...now that WOULD be a sick O-line:

Albert - Cogs- Pouncey - Womack - Martin


whoaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

WNPs,

I believe you don't have to trade for Albert to win now. There are other ways to do this. He's not an 'elite' tackle.

There's a lot still to be done here. Checking out the guy physically doesn't mean anything's done. Pretty sure they had Winston and some of the other guys in for physicalls too. It's just a step, IMO.

I'll be shocked if anything gets done before the draft.

yes i said that. if millner isnt there id take him

Man...The Dolphins have been f#cking aggressive this off season!!! I LOVE it. Just hope it all comes together. I just hope Tannehill is working his b@lls off to get better.

Where is Harmel & his 'Ross is cheap' posts???

your opinion craig, hes an elite lt to many. pull some tape on him man, watch the guy. they wont touch thill on passing downs

craig those guys were free agents. huge difference. plus they are talking contract

something is spinning, magenta coconut fingers arching over tiger river glowing emerald and your shimmering eyes like a glass cube.

Ross Rocks!!!!!! lol

Go Fins!

Actually it's a LOT of people's opinion, dusty. Elite means top 5? You me he's top 5? I highly doubt that.

If he were teams would be all over this guy. They haven't been.

No matter what we do, we're biting the bullet to get a quality LT. The devil's in the detail no matter which direction we choose. Even if we decided Martin is sufficient, and if that doesn't pan out, the devil's in the details of that decision too.

At least in a Albert trade we're not investing both our 1st and 2nd rd pick, plus an addition pick to make it pan out on the value chart. That's exactly what it would take to move up for Joeckel or Fisher. Lane Johnson would probably be a little less, but comes with no guarantees to be an upgrade over Martin.

So Albert for a 2nd rd'er, then recovering that 2nd rd'er by moving down with the #12 pick, really isn't a terrible way to go. Then on paper it would amount to simply signing Albert as a fa on his franchised contract numbers.

Based on his 2013 play, maybe we still resign Albert in 2014, close to the numbers that were offered Jake Long. If his 2013 play far outweighs this, even better, we give him a very worthy pay day.

"There's a lot still to be done here. Checking out the guy physically doesn't mean anything's done. Pretty sure they had Winston and some of the other guys in for physicalls too. It's just a step, IMO.

I'll be shocked if anything gets done before the draft."

Craig,

I could be wrong but I think this is different. Yes they toyed with the idea to move Martin to LT so they took a look at Winston. Seems clear now that they don't believe Martin can do the job & they'd rather get a proven guy rather than packaging a bunch of picks & trading up for an unproven one.

If this trade happens with Albert then it speaks volumes about how they REALLY felt about the play @ LT last year from both Long & Martin.

Reading up more on Alberts, I don't like it. I'm not sold on the guy.

He flunked in High School and was "Passed Along" solely on athlectics. OK, fine. But it still makes me think he's a Dullard.

His football career is the main thing. He played Guard all the way through college. Had a rough transition to Tackle at the NFL level, but he did it.

This from Wiki:

On July 24, 2008, Albert signed a five-year contract with the Chiefs.[5] It was announced by the Chiefs that he would be moved to the tackle position, though he played guard at Virginia. Despite missing all four preseason games with a foot injury suffered at training camp, Albert still managed to start 15 games at left tackle (only missing Week 5 at Carolina due to an elbow injury). He allowed just 4.5 sacks in 2008, and the only penalty called against him all season was a false start.[citation needed]

With high expectations, 2009 was a disappointing struggle for Albert. He committed 10 penalties and his 9 sacks allowed were the fifth most in the league. He missed Week 6 and 7 with an ankle injury but started the other 14 games. Despite his struggles, Albert finished the season a little stronger allowing no sacks in the final three games. Head coach Todd Haley later called his 2009 performance an "adjustment period" after losing nearly 40 pounds the last offseason in his request.

Albert started 15 games in 2010 and has established himself as the Chiefs left tackle. He started 16 games in the 2011 season at left tackle, occasionally covering left guard due to the recent acquisition of Jared Gaither from the Baltimore Ravens.

Albert received the Chiefs franchise tag March 5, 2013.[6]
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Sorry, just doesn't sound like a guy I would want to give up a high 2nd for. We shouldn't have to be "Taking a Chance" on a guy we gave a High 2nd and TONS of cash too. I would rather take a chance on McKinnie and draft on of the 2nd tier tackles in this years draft.

As Mando point out above, it looks like Jeffy goofed with Jake Long. That's been my interpretation of events all along.

To top it all off, I think it's safe to assume that the Coaches ARE MOT all the confident with Martin to Left Tackle. I know that sucks. A lot of guys here were hoping Martin would be the answer and were having dreams of Tavon Austin or Cordarelle Patterson in the 1st.

It could still happen if they do this "Goof Ball" deal with Alberts. As bad as we need a Left Tackle, I would pass on Alberts! Christ, knowing what I now know about Alberts, the cost of the trade and the contract, I would go with Armstead or the other Long kid. Maybe even take a chance on Pugh!

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