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Dolphins move on Albert should depend on details

Sometimes the devil is in the details and that's where the Dolphins are with Branden Albert.

As multiple media sources reported Wednesday, and as I reported on this blog on March 22, the Dolphins are considering making a trade for the Kansas City Chiefs franchise player.

[Update: John Clayton of ESPN is reporting the Dolphins have been given permission to speak with Albert and he'll visit the Dolphins and take a physical soon. Barry Jackson of The Miami Herald is reporting the sides are talking contract.]

On its face, the idea makes sense.

The Dolphins lost left tackle Jake Long to St. Louis in free agency. The club has a need and coach Joe Philbin didn't exactly endorse the idea of Jonathan Martin as his starting left tackle when he discussed the issue last month. The Dolphins also had a price point for Long and they have not used the cap space that was intended for Long on anyone else.

So the team can afford to sign Branden Albert and believes Albert to be a left tackle upgrade over Martin.

But ...

The devil is in the details.

The only way this trade makes sense is if the Dolphins do it in conjunction with another trade and only after Texas A&M left tackle Luke Joeckel comes off the board on draft day. That's right, this trade only makes sense if Joeckel isn't available because if he is on draft day, the Dolphins look like fools.

Consider:

If Joeckel goes No. 1 overall to Kansas City, then the Dolphins can be certain the best LT in the draft is gone and they move on. But if KC picks Eric Fisher and Joekel drops to No. 3 or No. 4, the Dolphins must, must, must try to trade up to get him. That move would be expensive in that it would require a second-round pick and other considerations. But it makes more sense than the Albert trade because that also will require a second-round pick plus a more expensive contract than Joeckel.

And Joeckel, unproven in the NFL as he is, is probably going to be a better player than Albert.

So the Dolphins would be going for a better player (Joeckel) using basically the same draft pick compensation (well, maybe more expensive but only slightly) and pay a lower contract in the transaction.

So if the Dolphins don't wait for draft day to make this Albert trade, they're not really thinking through all the contingencies. And if Joeckel then falls, the Dolphins will look downright foolish.

Then there is this:

Even if Joeckel goes No. 1 overall as expected, the Dolphins can simply trade a No. 2 for Albert, but they would still look kind of silly. You see, why pay a high draft pick and a big contract to Branden Albert when you could have had Jake Long for the big contract and kept the pick?

You mean to say the Dolphins played hardball with Long only to cave on Albert?

I understand Long is seemingly diminished and often injured. Trust me, I made the point here many times. But Albert comes with no guarantees, either. He basically had a very good season in 2012. But it was only good enough for the Chiefs to want to trade him. He's been injured during his career. He's struggled with weight issues. He was a turnstile in 2009, giving up nine sacks.

And, again, the Chiefs are willing to let him go so they can draft a rookie to play the same position.

So it's not like Branden Albert is a slam dunk worth-it move.

This is where the devil has to be in the details.

If the Dolphins pay Albert as much as Long got in St. Louis, they look dumb. If the Dolphins get Albert for much cheaper, they still have a find a way to recover that second-round pick they still gave up for him.

And how do they do that?

Well, here is my perfect scenario that would prevent me from thinking the Dolphins got ripped off on getting Branden Albert. If the Dolphins trade away their lower of two second-round picks for Albert and then trade down from No. 12 overall to a lower pick in the first round while then pickinng up a second-rounder for the move, I'll be straight. I'll be good.

The haul would then be a lower first, Albert (albeit at a big contract) and two second rounders for all those moves.

The trade down would mitigate the sting of giving up a second for Albert because it recovers a second-rounder for the trade down.

By the way, if the Dolphins somehow end up giving Albert more money than Long got from St. Louis, something is significantly amiss because even with his multiple injury issues, Long was still a better player than Albert when healthy.

All this has to play out.

The devil will be in the details.

 

needs to be part of another draft-day trade down

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Where is Womack and Eifert projected in the draft?

Also, we finally get our answer to the big elephant in the room question as dolfans:

Does Philbin/Sherman 100% trust Martin as starting LT?

Hell fking no!

Albert on his way to Miami to take his physical. Looks pretty much like a done deal.

What's the possibility we trade down from #12 and get both of them?

Where'd all the 'Martin just has to get stronger. He'll be totally fine to play LT' guys go? 'Just needs a year in the gym and everything will be fine'. Are they still fans of the team? On vacation? Jump off a bridge?

Jeffy, quit Dicking around!

Sign McKinnie to a one or two year deal. Target Armstead in the late 2nd. And hang up on KC when they call.

Let's draft some Playmakers!

Fvck trading our High Picks on a Marginal Dumbshyt that believes he's worth Top Dollar!!!!

(PS: I'd rather keep my pick(s)and take a chance on Winston playing Left tackle. I'd rather do that, then pay this Guard, turned Tackle, turned Head Case!

lol @ Craig

..YG..Great post @ 1:03..I had a very similar thought. You beat me too it. IMO you nailed it.

I think you expose a serious lack of foortball accumen when you say

"even with his multiple injury issues, Long was still better player than Albert when healthy."


Even a healthy Long is not suioted for a zone blocking WCO
Albert on the other hand is perfect for it
Long looked pretty bad a times last season
Albert is solid
Never as dominant as Long was in 09 and 10 but a solid LT

More imporntantly this is about mobility on the OL
Albert is mobile, Martin is Mobile, Lewis is mobile

Long is not that kind of OT

Joeckel and Lane Johnson are but they are likely to be off the baord before we pick

So you add Albert and keep your 1st round pick to spend somewhere else
maybe even on a mobile OG like Jon Cooper
As a whole the unit can move around

We can finally run successful screens

You need to do that in the WCO

you need to factor in the offensive scheme

Odin....you heard about the guy who closed the gate after the horse left?

odin, what are the top places to get a good ham sandwich in Michigan's Upper Peninsula?

I would assume Marquette has decent ham sandwiches. What about Iron Mountain and Ewen?

IF Albert IS coming to Miami for a physical exam, the deal is already done....

Albert is a good idea. We need a LT. Trading up high enough to get Fisher or Joeckle would cost multiple picks.

I don't get the trade Starks talk though. Why create a hole in spot that is a strength. There is no guarantee that Floyd or Lotulelei will fall to us and no guarantee they'll be great.

CB, RB, TE, and Guard are higher priorities than DT.

Where'd all the 'Martin just has to get stronger. He'll be totally fine to play LT' guys go? 'Just needs a year in the gym and everything will be fine'. Are they still fans of the team? On vacation? Jump off a bridge?

Craig,

I was hoping that would be the case....Guess that might have been wishful thinking but then again I'm not an O-line coach. I just watch the games.

Rick...I doubt they trade Starks...D-line and run stopping has been the one hallmark of the team, imo

Only way this move makes ANY sense is if the Dolphins can draft Star the night of the draft and trade Starks. Otherwise it's ANOTHER big contract that didn't need to be on the books. Going to be interesting to see how Ireland and everyone else maneuver with all these contracts next year.

You know what? We're all assuming Ireland's paying a 2nd rd pick for Albert. But, how about, as it as grown closer to draft day, Chiefs are more certain Joeckel's their pick.

How about if Ireland is only offering a 3rd and a 5th for Albert? Pointwise, on the value chart, that's nearly 2nd rd pick value.

We also have 2 picks in both the 3rd and 5th rds. So, it doesn't necessarily have to be a 2nd rd pick Ireland's offering for Albert. Think about this too.

WNP...most were hoping Martin project worked, because it was the easy fix..would have been nice, but like most other dreams, they tend to fade......

"I think you expose a serious lack of foortball accumen when you say

"even with his multiple injury issues, Long was still better player than Albert when healthy."


Even a healthy Long is not suioted for a zone blocking WCO
Albert on the other hand is perfect for it
Long looked pretty bad a times last season
Albert is solid
Never as dominant as Long was in 09 and 10 but a solid LT

More imporntantly this is about mobility on the OL
Albert is mobile, Martin is Mobile, Lewis is mobile

Long is not that kind of OT

Joeckel and Lane Johnson are but they are likely to be off the baord before we pick

So you add Albert and keep your 1st round pick to spend somewhere else
maybe even on a mobile OG like Jon Cooper
As a whole the unit can move around

We can finally run successful screens

You need to do that in the WCO

you need to factor in the offensive scheme"

Pig,

Great post. How the hell are you???

...I don't know why people are so afraid of Brendan Albert? He may cost more then some of you are comfortable with? Because Kansas City is willing to let him go there is something wrong with him? Obviously that is a huge red flag right? Look at their situation. They are sitting perfect to draft the best LT in the draft, at a cheaper price. Of course they are going to try and trade him if they can. Do you think we would be hearing tradt rumors if say the first pick was an Andrew Luck quality quarterback?? No way. But because of the business side of the game. The Cheifs believe they can get equal production out of a younger guy for less money..

So because of this. Albert is a liability? We have to solidify the left side of the line. If this means losing a second round pick to do it..Sweet. Albert is better then any of the second round options at this point.

We should wait for the draft? I could get on board with this as it makes sense for a ton of reasons already discussed. But if we get cold feet about a trade, if we think our options are limited should certain scenarios not fall our way..It makes total sense to do the deal that we can control. Eliminate what if factors and make the trade before we get left holding our junk on the side of the road while the cheap hooker leaves with your pants and wallet.

WNP...most were hoping Martin project worked, because it was the easy fix..would have been nice, but like most other dreams, they tend to fade......

Baxter,

I was hoping it worked b/c I think Garner is a better RT than Martin.

I'll say this--Ireland's drafts might have sucked for the most part BUT I give him a TON of credit for what he's done so far this off season. Clearly he's prepared to go out swinging while spending Ross' money like a drunken hooker.

I wish they would consider signing Andre Smith. I know he is fat but he has played very well the last two years in the same WCO that we run....and he wouldn't cost a pick.. J.Martin mustve really been disapointing this past week b/c one look at him and they called the chiefs the next day!!! Another wasted second round pick.

If the trade is for a 3rd & 5th that I'm okay with it as fill a position of need and will still give us 4 picks in the 1st 3 rounds. I feel giving up a 2nd for Albert is too much and should have just kept Long or got a LT in FA.

This is a deep draft for DL/OL - have our scouts earn their money and find a tackle in the mid-rounds.

I'm tired of the Fins robbing Peter to pay Paul mentality when it comes to players.

mando,
i did not follow LANE(OT) in college, but after reading your article yesterday about LANE, i thought i would be somewhat satisfied if we were able to get him at #12, my thought being that last year jake long had trouble with speedy edge rushers, i do not see LANE having difficulty with speed and his size suggests he can handle the bull rush...so unless albert is that much better, or if ireland has another idea up his sleeve(like aquiring a left tackle before the draft in an effort to trade up to snag powerback-LACEY) i can not see the logic...please feel free to comment.

DD,

But why do the trade ahead of time? Why not wait until the night of the draft and see what happens. What happens if a guy like Johnson drops or is even available at 10. We wouldn't be better to take him or even move up a spot or two to take him. Makes more sense to me.


Where'd all the 'Martin just has to get stronger. He'll be totally fine to play LT' guys go? 'Just needs a year in the gym and everything will be fine'.

Posted by: Craig M | April 18, 2013 at 01:09 PM
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Craig,

I maintained this from the start. First I DVR'ed all the games and re-Watched All of Martins snaps at Left Tackle over and over again. That right there was the "Big Indidcator".

But then I considered the way they handles the Jake Situation and I was pretty sure they had their doubts with Martin.

But now this Albert Trade? You don't have to read "The writing on the wall". It's all right there in black and white.

Having said that, Martin could prove us wrong......**Some Day**. But judging by The FO's actions, it ain't going **TODAY**(or anytime soon).

DD,

Thanks!

Only thing Im pondering right now is the nfl rule that a team can only franchise one player. A trade for Albert would mean that we have "2 FRANCHISED CONTRACTS" ON OUR PAYROLL".

Im very unclear on how the league office would rule on this matter and if "ADJUSTMENTS" would have to be made before it could be league approved.

"CAN ONE TEAM CARRY 2 FRANCHISED CONTRACTS IF IT WASNT THE TEAM THAT INITIALLY FRANCHISED ONE OF THESE CONTRACTS?"

To this question, right now, I haven't a clue.

If Ireland is stupid enough to give up a 2nd round pick for Albert, he should be fired on the spot for gross incompetence.

Is Any Of These Tackles In This Draft Better Than B. Albert.

Then Ask Yourself Are Any Of The 2nd Round OT's As Good.

Resigning Jake Was #1 Priority But We Can't Expect Ireland To Get Them All Right.

B. Albert Was The 2nd Best Tackle On The Market. Some Would Say Albert Will Have A Better 2nd Half To His Career Than Jake Will.

My life is great right now.

Just got off the field!!!

I sat In Mr Ross's chair in his Suite. Wow what a day to remember.

I'm all smiles. :)

GO FINS

Adding Jake Long to the conversation is utterly pointless. Jake Long is no longer with the team and is meaningless to the 2013 Miami Dolphins.

As far as Albert, he's a fine player and would be an obvious, instant upgrade over Martin at a crucial spot.

Ask yourselves if Miami is as likely to get as much impact from whoever that 2nd round choice would be.

Note that I'm saying "likely" and not speaking in absolutes.

This is a great day in Miami for this New Jersey Dolfan

..Craig M...Good to see you bro!

I wasn't saying make the trade now. I was just trying to explain that I would understand if they did. To eliminate the what if factors. To eliminate any of the 100's of scenarios that could come up that would leave us hanging in the wind..

Now..I'm with you. I think we should wait until draft day. You had a great post earlier today that read we have 11 picks in this draft. We should be able to do something to fix the LT spot(if indeed we feel we must)Ireland has a more sense of what is going on then any of us. He is part of the heartbeat that is the inner circle of GM's. So I'm sure he has a pretty decent idea of what scenarios may present themselves. I'm sure if he feels at all uncomfortable that we may lose out on a player he wants. He will make a deal...Even if it seems on the outside to have questionable timing.

Man I think giving up 1 of the 2nd rounders is not bad...Albert is a solid player not to mention we still keep our first round pick. If we traded up it would cost us our first and a second....to me it makes a lot of sense.dont forget about Bess..he could also come into play in this deal.

On my way to the mall Buster recommended

great deal ireland. now lets go rock the draft

"We should wait for the draft? I could get on board with this as it makes sense for a ton of reasons already discussed. But if we get cold feet about a trade, if we think our options are limited should certain scenarios not fall our way..It makes total sense to do the deal that we can control. Eliminate what if factors and make the trade before we get left holding our junk on the side of the road while the cheap hooker leaves with your pants and wallet."

Daryl,

Apparently, for whatever the reason, Ireland & Philbin don't want to trade up to get one of the top LT's in this draft. All I know is that if we're considering trading a draft pick for Albert then the time to check him out is now, before the draft.

Great JustinC you'll like it...and it's a beautiful afternoon for it....Have fun!!!

Ten minutes earlier I could have met Grade or Tanny.

I took a leak in Rose's private bathroom.

Ball Watchers.... Morons......

The team spends $30 Million on so called "Play Makers" and you "ball watching" junkies still can't get enough.... A completely rebuilt WR Corp isn't enough, Gotta have more ball watcher crack....
Did any of you "ball watchers" even consider why Miami is talking about..(not doing, not signing, not offering a contract.... "talking about") signing Albert..?
No......?
Allow me to illuminate the dark you have being stumbling around most of your lives... They are "TALKING" about signing Albert because they are aware that the top three LT prospects in this draft will be long gone by pick #12.
Now.... Just think about what I just said if you can. There are 11 picks before Miami can choose. The MAJOR consensus is that 3 of those 11 will be Left Tackles (39% of the players taken in the first 11 picks will be LT's)... Not Wide Receivers... Not Running Backs... Not Quarterbacks... Not Tight Ends... Not Crack for "BALL WATCHERS".......
They will take Left Tackles... Because regardless of what "Bill Polian" said (Mace)... The people who just gave RT17 an entire toy box full of new, fun toy's know that he will have absolutely no fun at all with them if he spends the season staring at the 1:30pm Florida Sky from on his back in Sun Life Stadium.
At some point... just pick one... The Ball Watchers among us need to admit to the fact that a football game is won in the trenches. It is won along the O-line and D-line. The team who controls the Line Of Scrimmage... Controls the game. In case you Ball Watchers missed it. Tom Brady is a hell of a QB. Know who he has to thank..? No... not his play making pals... His REAL FRIENDS are in the Offensive line in front of him. The one that is very quietly one of the best in the NFL.
But, But, But.... I never hear ANYTHING about New England's O-Line, Troop!
Yep.... Neither do I crew....
That is because REALLY GOOD O-lines have "Play Makers" out doing they're thing and getting all the press... But make no mistake, they are doing what THEY do because they're QB CAN DO what HE is supposed to do....
Mainly because HE is not staring up up the 1:30pm Foxborough, Massachusetts sky from on his back in Gillette stadium.
I am hoping Miami can draft Tyler Eifert by hook or by crook... I think he offers the very best chance for RT17 to have a red zone target that is nearly unmissable as long as the ball is within 5ft of him...

But he cannot hit ANY WR from his back.... Give Jeff Ireland a break... He is doing what ALL TEAMS DO.... He's trying to protect his $37 Million Dollar investment with one lousy guy who holds it all in the way he plays... It is why they are top 10 picks... and not 3rd round afterthoughts....

This team has more holes then swiss cheese.

TMI Justin.....

This cell blogging is bad.

Grise


odin, what are the top places to get a good ham sandwich in Michigan's Upper Peninsula?

I would assume Marquette has decent ham sandwiches. What about Iron Mountain and Ewen?

Posted by: Interested In The Ham Sandwiches Of Michigan's Upper Peninsula | April 18, 2013 at 01:15 PM
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Don't know NOTHING about no ham sandwiches!

But I do know you'd be surprised with all the Tuna Tacos they have in Marquette. Scrumptiously Delicious!

Unbelievable little College town nestled away in the middle of nowhere. It's the Best of Both Worlds(and I'm not talking about the Rainbow Room either).

All Vice and Decadence any True Red Blooded American Boy could Crave!

I lifted the seat

But why do the trade ahead of time? Why not wait until the night of the draft and see what happens. What happens if a guy like Johnson drops or is even available at 10. We wouldn't be better to take him or even move up a spot or two to take him. Makes more sense to me.

Craig,

No trade has happened. We're checking him out NOW.

Where'd all the 'Martin just has to get stronger. He'll be totally fine to play LT' guys go? 'Just needs a year in the gym and everything will be fine'.

Posted by: Craig M | April 18, 2013 at 01:09 PM

Wow! The typical CraigM response. Gotta seem bigger and better than everyone else, but only proves to be the narcissistic driven piece of crap we all know him to be.

There was "ZERO" reason to litter the board with this crap of a post. We're all dolfans and only want whats best for our team. Just this tool, CraigM, takes every opportunity he perceives to inaptly prove himself superior to others.

I only hope he well paid for supreme expert of expertise he falsely exhibits here.

Jeff Ireland seems to only be concerned with winning this year and filling the stands for Stephen Ross.....obviously concerned about keeping his job. But this is a no-brainer. Trading for Branden "Fat" Albert is a mistake.He turns 29 this year, not old but certainly not young. He is just as injury prone as Jake Long and not near as good- ranked 25th out of 32 Tackles?? So, how does he command a salary anywhere near that of Jake Long?And why would the Dolphins try to pay that much when they could've kept Long for close to the same price. Good points made all the way around but bottom line is ALL other options presented her are better than Albert protecting Tannehill's blindside for the price of Long and a 2nd round draft pick?? Makes no sense. Ireland will sink or swim by this decision. Another option not presented....If willing to trade up for Joeckel or Fisher then why not Lane Johnson? What does Ireland have against that? These are legitimate questions. Who has the answers?

Armando i think is a good for the team if we get Albert we don't have a left take right now with the firts pick we can get Rhodes a good CB and Albert we can give a Third round for him that a not risk

One of the radio commentators said this was the worst draft in 30 years.

Wait for draft to make the trade?

You cant make player trades on draft day. Only picks trades. Name one fking player that was ever traded on draft day?

However, player trades an be made after the draft. This is what Armando was alluding too. He's simply suggesting wait until after the draft and see what happens.

But that could be costly to, because the Chargers are also rumored to be in the market for a LT.

We Basically Traded V. Davis For B. Albert.

Again Trading a 2nd Rounder When You Have 2. Is Not That Big Of A Deal.

Definitely For A Quality Starter At A Need Position.

YG
good point on chargers in the market. I assumed more teams would be trying to get Albert with a #2... So you're on the Eifert train now too? Now that LT is taken care of...


Clearly he's prepared to go out swinging while spending Ross' money like a drunken hooker.

Posted by: We Need Playmakers | April 18, 2013 at 01:25 PM

ROTFLMAO - Amen Brother, Viking Warrior Style!

I think Ireland wants to plug in Albert at LG. Incognito does not fit in this offense. Look for him to be traded or cut outright.

If he does this, this shows that he thinks Albert is better than Jonathan Cooper.

CHUCKAZ...it has been pointed out here by others that trading up would cause us to USE the 1st round pick to take a LT, and lose a 2nd rounder as part of the deal...this way we only lose a 2nd rounder, get the LT and still have our #12 in the 1st...does that make sense?

Dashi, what are the top places to get a good ham sandwich in Michigan's Upper Peninsula?

lg,loooooooooooooooooooooool

You know what? We're all assuming Ireland's paying a 2nd rd pick for Albert. But, how about, as it as grown closer to draft day, Chiefs are more certain Joeckel's their pick.

How about if Ireland is only offering a 3rd and a 5th for Albert? Pointwise, on the value chart, that's nearly 2nd rd pick value.

We also have 2 picks in both the 3rd and 5th rds. So, it doesn't necessarily have to be a 2nd rd pick Ireland's offering for Albert. Think about this too.

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone 4Ever! | April 18, 2013 at 01:20 PM

That sounds a hell of a lot better than a 2nd rd pick. He would be worth a 3rd and a 5th, I just wouldn't want to give up a 2nd. We can use those 2nds to push into the late 1st or package one of them with a 1st to move up and grab someone in the top 10.

We would get a quality LT a d have the ammo to go after whatever is on the board.


To this question, right now, I haven't a clue.

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone 4Ever! | April 18, 2013 at 01:31 PM
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The answer is NO YG.

Albert, Ireland and Aponte would have to hammer out a new contract BEFORE the Trade can be approved.

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