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Dolphins move on Albert should depend on details

Sometimes the devil is in the details and that's where the Dolphins are with Branden Albert.

As multiple media sources reported Wednesday, and as I reported on this blog on March 22, the Dolphins are considering making a trade for the Kansas City Chiefs franchise player.

[Update: John Clayton of ESPN is reporting the Dolphins have been given permission to speak with Albert and he'll visit the Dolphins and take a physical soon. Barry Jackson of The Miami Herald is reporting the sides are talking contract.]

On its face, the idea makes sense.

The Dolphins lost left tackle Jake Long to St. Louis in free agency. The club has a need and coach Joe Philbin didn't exactly endorse the idea of Jonathan Martin as his starting left tackle when he discussed the issue last month. The Dolphins also had a price point for Long and they have not used the cap space that was intended for Long on anyone else.

So the team can afford to sign Branden Albert and believes Albert to be a left tackle upgrade over Martin.

But ...

The devil is in the details.

The only way this trade makes sense is if the Dolphins do it in conjunction with another trade and only after Texas A&M left tackle Luke Joeckel comes off the board on draft day. That's right, this trade only makes sense if Joeckel isn't available because if he is on draft day, the Dolphins look like fools.

Consider:

If Joeckel goes No. 1 overall to Kansas City, then the Dolphins can be certain the best LT in the draft is gone and they move on. But if KC picks Eric Fisher and Joekel drops to No. 3 or No. 4, the Dolphins must, must, must try to trade up to get him. That move would be expensive in that it would require a second-round pick and other considerations. But it makes more sense than the Albert trade because that also will require a second-round pick plus a more expensive contract than Joeckel.

And Joeckel, unproven in the NFL as he is, is probably going to be a better player than Albert.

So the Dolphins would be going for a better player (Joeckel) using basically the same draft pick compensation (well, maybe more expensive but only slightly) and pay a lower contract in the transaction.

So if the Dolphins don't wait for draft day to make this Albert trade, they're not really thinking through all the contingencies. And if Joeckel then falls, the Dolphins will look downright foolish.

Then there is this:

Even if Joeckel goes No. 1 overall as expected, the Dolphins can simply trade a No. 2 for Albert, but they would still look kind of silly. You see, why pay a high draft pick and a big contract to Branden Albert when you could have had Jake Long for the big contract and kept the pick?

You mean to say the Dolphins played hardball with Long only to cave on Albert?

I understand Long is seemingly diminished and often injured. Trust me, I made the point here many times. But Albert comes with no guarantees, either. He basically had a very good season in 2012. But it was only good enough for the Chiefs to want to trade him. He's been injured during his career. He's struggled with weight issues. He was a turnstile in 2009, giving up nine sacks.

And, again, the Chiefs are willing to let him go so they can draft a rookie to play the same position.

So it's not like Branden Albert is a slam dunk worth-it move.

This is where the devil has to be in the details.

If the Dolphins pay Albert as much as Long got in St. Louis, they look dumb. If the Dolphins get Albert for much cheaper, they still have a find a way to recover that second-round pick they still gave up for him.

And how do they do that?

Well, here is my perfect scenario that would prevent me from thinking the Dolphins got ripped off on getting Branden Albert. If the Dolphins trade away their lower of two second-round picks for Albert and then trade down from No. 12 overall to a lower pick in the first round while then pickinng up a second-rounder for the move, I'll be straight. I'll be good.

The haul would then be a lower first, Albert (albeit at a big contract) and two second rounders for all those moves.

The trade down would mitigate the sting of giving up a second for Albert because it recovers a second-rounder for the trade down.

By the way, if the Dolphins somehow end up giving Albert more money than Long got from St. Louis, something is significantly amiss because even with his multiple injury issues, Long was still a better player than Albert when healthy.

All this has to play out.

The devil will be in the details.

 

needs to be part of another draft-day trade down

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Trade up for Luke joeckel and then hopefully damontre Moore also Texas a&m ! In the second? Get some familiarity around Tannehill
Anyone else feeling this?

Should the Fins copy-cat the PATS and get a top-line TE for two TE formations? Could they find one in the 2nd round?

Or trade up for dee milliner? We need playmakers man and Brady needs stopping!!!

Also, You shouldn't believe anything that John Clayton Says. He is an Idiot. .

Same with Mel Kiper Jr. Mel Kiper is a F'n Idiot. Looks like the step dad in the movie, Rookie of the Year.


Offer Starks??? Are you on drugs bro? One of our best players !!!

Posted by: Lee | April 18, 2013 at 02:35 PM

No, not on drugs, Stark's only a one year rental.

2013, Starks is entering his 10th yr. 2014 will be Starks 11th yr. No, brother, not on drugs. Im on reality. Thx for stopping by!

Are there really people who get "excited" about the schedule being released? Wow. I guess they would faint with excitement at watching a car wash or someone feeding their cat, too.

Just to note: EVERY team's schedule is ALREADY known into infinity because of the NFL's rotation system.

You can look up Miami's 2035 home and away schedule RIGHT NOW if you want.

The ONLY thing announced on "schedule day" is the dates and times.

Anyone thinking there's some mystery to the process hasn't been paying attention. You could have already seen Miami's 2013 schedule if you had looked it up in 2003.

Ashy Larry has it ...

Well the time and dates are important to me because I actually attend some games. However I won't got to Buffalo if it's too late in the year. Fukk that city always gets the ass end of the weather pattern. It's always dark and overcast there...

Milliner is seen falling to #12 in some mock drafts.

How much would it cost to trade up to get him if he doesn't?

If he has the same impact as Revis, he'd probably be the KEY to finally get past the PATS.

The moment that Albert signs a new contract would be the moment he's no loner on a Franchise Tag. Then the Dolphins could trade for him.

The key to getting past the Pats goes like this:

In my worst Autrailian accent - That Mingo ate my brady!!!

I do hope this is all BS somehow "put out there" by the Dolphins for some skullduggery not yet known. I just dont see this Brandon Albert as LT for the Dolphins. Hes to heavy(fat) and its to hot in so Fla for "fat" Albert to play a whole season at LT. Just when Jeffery seems to have a fix on things "it" raises its ugly head.

Basically, every 4yrs a team plays the exact same schedule it played 4yrs prior. Every year it plays the exact same division schedule.

Like Mark said, the only thing that changes are dates, times, and location.

Another thing to add, whatever place the team finishes the prior season determines who it plays outside of the normal rotational conference games. Finish 2nd place, you play 2nd place teams in those games. You get the point.

Damn I can't spell 0 Australian accent is what I mean. ha

I am not a 'draft guru' fan but Mayock has been doing his national press call and Barry Jackson was asking him about Miami. Beasley has been summing his comments up on Twitter.

He said that he doesn't think Fluker will be there at 12. He thinks the top 3 LT's will go very early and then San Diego at 11 will have no choice but to take Fluker. He feels that Milliner and Mingo would be there at 12 and the fins would look hard at both of them.

He seemed to think the Albert trade was likely and that would put the Fins looking at CB or DE with their #12 pick. Stopping the pass would be the top priority assuming Albert comes aboard.

I tend to agree with that logic. But...I still think Warmack, Cooper or Eifert will have to be strongly considered if they are still available at 12.

Brittany Grinder has come out of the closet. Not really, it has always been widely known that most female basketball players are that "L" word.

Absolutely no shocker there. LOL...

They need to get Milliner. The NFL is a passing league and they have one good CB and hes coming off Surgery. They should trade for Albert and draft Milliner even if they have to move up a few slots.

Hey YG,

I see you didn't like my comment from earlier. TOO BAD!!

I couldn't give a fukk what you think of me or my comments. I don't know you, don't want to know you and couldn't give a fukk what happens to you. You could get wiped off the planet tomorrow and my life would continue to be good.

Just so we're clear....

I remember when I was in high school, at most, there was only 1 girl on the girls basketball team that wasn't lesbo.

With so much depth at CB in this draft Milliner at 12 would have to be thought about but a trade up for him would IMO be a bad idea.

Posted by: Craig M | April 18, 2013 at 02:59 PM

Kisses and smooches to you too. Just thought I would interject a litt6le truth an move on. You can always lead a horse to water but cant make him drink.

This you'll always prove to be truth.

Texas,

I'm not really a fan of Milliner. I think he's a good athlete who fits well in the system he played in with Alabama. I don't see him being anything close to being elite, where really he should be if we're going to pick him that high. I wouldn't waste the pick.

YG,

I'm sure you'll drag it on for a few more pages,as you ALWAYS do. Just know I'm not the least bit interested.

We were told by SOME that Martin 'will be just fine once he puts some muscle on'. Apparently not.

Seems you have a problem with me bringing it up, like there's a set of rules that you play by on here.

Again, I couldn't give a fukk about you have to say about it.

Its reported that the dolphins have not been granted permission to talk to Albert

CraigM,

You'll always be a black or white in perception dull wit. No real problem exists in a person being black or white in perceptional view.

Where the real problem exists with you is that your white is black and your black is white. You really have a dyslexic perceptional view. Rarely do those diagnosed as you see their own shortcoming.

For if you did, I would mean that you didn't have this condition in the first place. God bless you man.

YG,

No clue what you just said....

But you know what, it really doesn't matter. I could fit in a thimble the amount of sh8t you spew that has any real value.

Have a good one...

Texas

the first one I reposted with the OLine stats is the prrof. Our OL needs rebuilt (again). Sad as it is. Its just the facts

Posted by: Craig M | April 18, 2013 at 03:04 PM

So fking what? Does this means you have to rub those who said faces into the mud? NO!

CraigM, how often have you been wrong yourself here? There was this guy named Jesus Christ who made a very famous and wise statement concerning this.

He said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

If youre fallable yourself, then what does it really profit you to "stone" those who are also fallable? Hope that someday this makes sense to you.

Fins haven't had a legitimate complement to Wake since he's been with the team.

Could they find one at #12 and still find a starting CB with their 2nd (assuming Milliner doesn't drop to #12)?

No clue....

YG,

Warmack Is Over Rated. He Is Good. But He Isn't Special.

And E. LACY Had a Better Per Carry Average All 3 Years. Than Ingram or T. Richardson.

Well Dashi,

If Ireland makes Lacy the #12 pick you get braggers rights, just like you did with the Dansby/Burnett swapshier.

If not, cool too, because just like any other dolfan here, you only seek what in your opinion is best for the team. That, I can still applaud!

Craig, I am not a huge fan of Milliner either but I figure he'd be in the conversation if available at 12.

I have narrowed my wish list but it still includes Mingo, Jordan and Austin.

I also like Ansah but a little less than the above 3.

YG,

I Still Don't Think The Fins Will Get Lacy At #12.

But If People Can Come On Here And Say Go TE At #12 Or T. Austin. Why Can't Dashi Say Go E. Lacy Who Will Probably Be A Better Pro.

Dashi Still Thinks The O-Line Is #1 Priority.

Draft

1-J.Cooper
2-E.Lacy
2-Traded For B. Albert
3-ELAM
3-Lemonier
4-OG
5-QB(athletic)
5-CB
7-K
7-TE
7-DE

That Would Be My Fantasy Draft.


No clue....

Posted by: Craig M | April 18, 2013 at 03:14 PM


A man looked upon the Lord and said, "Lord, look at this man, his master cut off his legs for he was a runaway slave".

The Lord then replied, "Yes, I see. I also see that your master cut off your hands, for you were a thief".

CraigM, Im sure just as you said, you haven't a clue.

YG,

Can I Throw The First Stone?

Posted by: Dashi | April 18, 2013 at 03:27 PM

I guess youre right Dashi. If some can come here and say TE or Austin at #12, then Lacy does make just about as much sense. LOL...


YG,

Can I Throw The First Stone?

Posted by: Dashi | April 18, 2013 at 03:30 PM

Dashi,

Everytime that Jesus Christ statement enters into my mind. No matter how pissed I am with someone I have to drop my stone. No matter how it sucks. LOL...

I remember when I was in high school, at most, there was only 1 girl on the girls basketball team that wasn't lesbo.

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone 4Ever!


I guess we now all know who couldn't get a date in high school.

I Knew Craig Was A Religious Heretic.

No Way 1 Person Can Spew So Much Blasphemy And Not Be Punished By God. Plus, Craig Has Been Known To Leave Church(Football) Early On Sundays.

Craig Is One Of Those Who Doesn't Believe In Heaven When He Dies.

His Next Life Will Be More Difficult Since He Didn't Look For Personal Enlightenment In This one.

Craig Will Be Reincarnated As The Dumbest Soccer Fan Ever.

Mando,

I was thinking the same exact thing, it would almost be more than perfect if we can get Albert for a good price, trade down in the first round and keep our 2 picks in the second which i believe are crucial with this drafts depth. Hopefully Irelands thinking the same thing and can get it done!

Dashi,

CraigM is the type that would blame an innocent victim for being responsible for their on demise. I have great empathy for CraigM.

Anywhichway, Andy Reid now says the Fins don't have permission to talk to Albert, which suggests that the deal isn't happening any time soon, if ever.

WTH is going on?

No clue what you guys are talking about but if it keeps you happy, then go for it!

If your nonsense is directed at me it means someone else is being spared.

YG,

Every time I Hear That Jesus Statement. I Just Want To Drop My Stone And Pick Up A Bigger One.

I Believe Jesus Was One Of The Greatest Minds/Men Who Ever Lived. And Was Way Ahead Of His Time.

But It Doesn't Take From Him Being A Liar. Why Didn't Jesus Throw A Stone Either?

He Was Created In Sin. Even If God Did It. Jesus Was Conceived Out Of Sin. And That Is The 1 Thing I Still Am Skeptical About Jesus. God Or No God Somebody Help Create Jesus. Alien life forms? Joseph Cheated? Or God Itself.

Want to see something sad? How confident are you in the Fin's ability to draft well at #1 and #2? I think Ireland has done fairly well based upon the history. But the Fins' history with top rounds picks is really ugly. Thank god they went aggressive in Free Agency. I hope they do land Albert in a trade, it takes another draft risk off the board.

2004 Spielman GM/Wann Coach: Carey 1st Pick & No 2nd Pick
2005 Mueller GM/Saban Coach: Brown 1st Pick & Roth 2nd Pick
2006 Mueller GM/Saban Coach: Allen 1st Pick & No 2nd Pick
2007 Mueller GM/Cameraon Coach: Ginn Jr. 1st Pick and Beck & Satele 2nd Picks
2008 Parcells/Sparano: Long 1st Pick, Merling & Henne 2nd Pick
2009 Ireland/Sparano: Davis 1st Pick, While and Smith 2nd Pick
2010 Ireland/Sparano: Odrick 1st Pick, Misi 2nd Pick
2011 Ireland/Sparano: Pouncey 1st Pick, Thomas 2nd Pick
2012 Ireland/Philbin: THill 1st Pick, Martin 2nd Pick

Here's how Albert would really work to our advantage.

Say if we got him, reworked his contract to fit 7.5 million on this year's cap. Long's contract only counts 4.5 million on the Rams 2013 contract, so that number could possibly be negotiated down further.

Then let's say the 2nd rd'er traded for him eliminates 500,000 dollars we no longer would have to pay that drafted draftee.

This adds up to 8 million on the 2013 cap. Long's contract averages 8.5 million. So, if we're clever about this, we can actually get Albert for the same or slightly less than what Long would have or is being paid by the Rams.

Getting Albert for the same or slightly less than Long would pretty much be a coup.

The 3 picks for d Thomas was MORONIC!!

Hi Dashi!

i'm so sick of this team trading down. everybody always say's how good it is. you get more picks. actually you get more garbage. the best teams do not trade down. they trade up. and that's what's been wrong with this team since jimmy johnson. i haven't seen any championships doing this. look ya gotta pay the top players to win.

Brandon Marshall for Michael Egnew??? Are U F'n kiddin me??

lmao... Anyone know for certain whether we gave up the 1st #2 pick or the second? from what I've read and heard it's for the first one... big difference in my opinion... It also would stymy any chance at trading back into the 1st for say Ertz/ Cypren/ Lacey... Dashi I know u like Lacey but do you think the packers will pass on him? highly doubt it...

Dashi,

Jesus wasn't created in sin, but, being flesh and blood was still susceptible. Remember, Jesus is the "only begotten son" of God. Jesus was "GOD IN THE FLESH".

Even God's elite that were born in the flesh sinned. This is exactly why Jesus had to be begotten by God himself or mankind was doomed. Only "GOD IN THE FLESH" could resist all sin. For only God is incorruptible.

Jesus is the only asexual birth in the entire history of mankind. God himself "fathered" Jesus. He is not the seed of mortal sinful man.

I agree - go with albert - he proven. Just because the franchise price is 9 mil doesnt mean a long term deal would be anywhere near that. Go with the proven commodity - any draft pick is a gamble

Ireland has no backup plan for losing Jake Long.

Dashi,

I also rebuke the devil for placing Jesus was a liar on your tongue. As Jesus Christ said upon the cross:

"Forgive them Father. For they know not what they do."

Also in rebuking Satan he said:

"Get behind me Satan!"

DASHI, SHUT UP ABOUT JESUS. U SOUND REALLY, REALLY STUPID.
ASKING GOD WHY HE THREW A STONE, WHAT'S WRONG WITH U?
HE WAS NOT BORN FROM SIN, RATHER HE GAVE HIS LIFE TO PAY FOR YOUR SORRY SINS.
JESUS NEVER SINNED, EVER!!
JESUS IS THE SON OF MAN, BECAUSE HE PAID FOR THE SINS OF MAN.

MAN WAS GIVEN TO HIM, BY THE FATHER.

Just said on Espn, Albert contract has to be reworked to get from underneath the franchise tag before the trade is finalized.

I didn't think a team could carry two franchise contracts in one season.

We didn't give up anything yet. The guy is a Chief.

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