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Dolphins wanted Josh Boyce over Jelani Jenkins

Post-draft stories of players expecting to be on one team and winding up with others are interesting to me.

I have two such stories for you involving the Miami Dolphins.

Both involve Florida Gators and, ironically, in the end the Dolphins ended up not picking a Florida player they liked while landing a Florida player they liked less than someone else. This is the story of former Florida tight end Jordan Reed and former Florida linebacker Jelani Jenkins.

The Dolphins, it seems, wanted Reed. According to a source close to Reed, Miami got on the phone with him during the third round and told him they were going to select him with their second of two third-round picks (No. 82 overall).

So Reed was on stand-by waiting for the 82nd pick and hearing his name called to the Dolphins when he saw Miami had traded the pick to New Orleans. He ended up going with the 85th pick to the Washington Redskins.

The Dolphins obviously thought a deal sending the 82nd pick in exchange for two fourth-round picks (106 and 109) was better value than picking Reed. And that was that.

The Dolphins had a high fourth-round grade on TCU receiver Josh Boyce. They got on the phone with Boyce at the top of the fourth round and told him they were going to select him with the seventh pick of the round, No. 104 overall.

But as soon as Boyce got off the phone with Miami, the New England Patriots called and told him they were going to pick him with the fifth overall pick in the round. The Patriots had acquired that pick earlier in a trade with Minnesota.

The Dolphins resorted to Plan B and picked Jenkins with the 104th selection.

"As soon as I got off the phone the Patriots called me,” Boyce told The Fort Worth-Star Telegram. "You never know. I’m just glad God gave me the opportunity to get drafted. I can go forward from there."

Boyce is a rare blend of size (206 pounds) and speed (4.49) who also happened to produce in college. He caught 66 passes for 891 yards with seven touchdowns in 2012. He had 61 catches for 998 yards and nine touchdowns in 2011. He caught a 94-yard pass against West Virginia last season.

The Patriots, obviously trying to add weapons for Tom Brady, must have seen an opportunity. The fact they snatched Boyce from the Dolphins?

File it under post-draft stories that always come out after the fact.

Read more here: http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/colleges/2013/04/former-tcu-receiver-josh-boyce-was-thinking-he-was-headed-to-miami-for-about-two-minutes-just-before-the-new-england-pa.html#storylink=cpy

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Posted by: Sigh | April 30, 2013 at 03:40 PM

Most of Jelani Jenkins injury issues last season were reoccurring hammy issue. This suggest he didn't start the season in as great a shape as he should have.

Hopefully he's learned from this because nfl also stands for not for long. Especially when drafted mid and late rds.

TVegas,

You made some good points.

Regarding Binns -- didn't he drop the ball several times at the worst possible time last season?

Of course, the Partriots wanted him, so maybe he has potential.

SOOOOOOO tired of hearing 'why did we trade Bess'.

SOOOO tired....

Guys try using your brain a little bit. Think about it. Was going to be the 4th reciever this year. Was going to make $3million. They want to give Matthews a chance. He won't be here next year.

I've never seen such a stink caused by trading a guy who's NEVER made a single Pro Bowl. You'd think we just traded Jerry Rice or something. Unbelievable!

Regarding the 2012 draft, most Dolphin fans would probably have wished that we had Wilson instead of Tannehill -- at least based on last year's play.

We also wish we had taken Kaepernik instead of Pouncey in 2011.

As many have stated, drafting is not a science. It's not even an art. It's guesswork.

CraigM,

The TE that could really be on the bubble this year moreso than Egnew is Clay.

Clay as been here longer. Its been the same song and dance with Clay his 1st 2 seasons.

GREAT INCONSISTENCY

Its easier to coach a player up, than coach inconsistency out of a player.

"Boyce is a rare blend of size (206 pounds) and speed (4.49) who also happened to produce in college. He caught 66 passes for 891 yards with seven touchdowns in 2012. He had 61 catches for 998 yards and nine touchdowns in 2011. He caught a 94-yard pass against West Virginia last season."

Mando,

But so is Rishard Matthews who already has his rookie season under his belt. In fact Matthews is both bigger (6'0 & 217 pounds) & faster (ran a 4.47) than Boyce. And in terms of productions Matthews also blew this kid away when he was a Senior @ Nevada (91 catches for 1364 & 8 TD's).

Sigh,

Youre usually a great poster. I just don't understand what going with you today.

Kaepernick 3rd, Pouncey 1st
Wilson 3rd, Tannehill 1st

Not to mention not even Elmer Fudd had a 1st rd grade on Kaeppernick that year, nor Wilson in 2012.

Lets not even mention Wilson had far superior starting wrs to ours. Let's just go to Disney World and forget about all of the important stuff. Life's a Beach.

YG,

Kaepernick was a high 2nd.


YG,

Kaepernick was a high 2nd.

Posted by: We Have Playmakers | April 30, 2013 at 04:01 PM

I stand corrected.

Mike Gillislee,

He was a steal where he was drafted. I love his running style. He knows how to set up guys for a juke move as well as set up down field blocks. And he does this all by moving North and South after 1 cut. He's a perfect fit as a 1 cut runner and he seems to play much, much faster then his 4.55 40 time. He definitely isn't anywhere near as fast but his running style reminds me of LeSean McCoy but with much more physicality.

Love this pick and player.


Will Davis was a great pick even a little earlier than forecast. After the show he put up at the combine, no way he was living down to his original draft slot.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | April 30, 2013 at 03:32 PM

Mark,

After The draft I spoke with an assistant coach from Utah State. Actually he is at Wisconsin now, having moved on there with Gary Anderson, Utah State's former head coach...

He had nothing but great things to say about Davis, of course.

He thinks he'll be used a lot, and excel, in nickel and dime, covering the slot receiver.

Just a side note...

Gary Anderson, Davis' head coach at Utah State, was the DC at Utah for everyone's favorite former Dolphin corner, Sean Smith.

Posted by: AndyNJ | April 30, 2013 at 04:03 PM

Ive watched Gillislee play many times. When he explodes through a wide open hole he looks exactly like Kenyon Barner. Im not exaggerating either.

His actual play speed looks like uncorking lightening from a bottle. His 4.55 40 time shocked me. I thought he as at least 4.4 or faster, watching him play.

And while we are discussing the draft and other things (that usually relate back the Ireland debate), I found this article interesting. I hope this Sims kids can find a way to take that potential that he haves to the next level. Because if he doesn't, the Marshall trade will be known as one of the bigger Dolphins busts of all time. I have little faith in Egnew even making the team this year but ya never know.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/4/30/4282096/2013-nfl-draft-highs-and-lows

Jeff Ireland's Brandon Marshall deal:

Last year, the Miami Dolphins general manager managed to flip wide receiver Brandon Marshall for two third-round picks. Great! But what has he done with those picks? He flipped one last year and turned it into tight end Michael Egnew and wide receiver B.J. Cunningham. Combined, they played two games last season. Cunningham was cut before the season. The other pick was used on Michigan State tight end Dion Sims in the third round this year. Obviously Egnew and Sims are still unknown commodities, but that's a good player to give up for pieces and parts.

Tebow > TanneBust

YG4E,

I was not saying I would have picked Wilson in the 1st round. Perhaps the 2nd round. But the Phins picked Tannehill. It must be said that Tannehill may yet be the better QB.

Kaepernik, yes a 1st round pick could have been justified. I'm not saying Pouncey is not a very, very good center. But again, the talent level around Kaepernik is much better than what was around Tannehill last year.

It's kind of like when Marino came in as a rookie - the great OL and WRs were all there.

Maybe my curve ball is off today. LOL.

I wish I could go to the beach! LOL.

Egnew wont make this years roster.

Craig-
I don't have a huge problem trading Bess if you go out and replace the guy. I think you underestimate his role with the team and how consistent his play was. You strike me as a "what have you done for me lately" sort of guy. All the players are disposable to you.

His role was EXTREMELY important and I don't see anyone who fits that mold on the current roster, unless our undrafted guy steps into that role. Furthemore you keep on harping about his $4 million dollar salary like he is the most overpaid guy in the world. Did you see how easliy Ireland cleared more cap space this year by dumping guys with large contacts? I give him credit where credit is due. But Bess was FAR from a liablity, and if they miss his slot play and ability to convert first downs in key situations, I am sure you will find a differnet excuse why it was right to trade him for squat.

You just don't get it sometimes.

Regarding the 2012 draft, most Dolphin fans would probably have wished that we had Wilson instead of Tannehill -- at least based on last year's play.

We also wish we had taken Kaepernik instead of Pouncey in 2011.

As many have stated, drafting is not a science. It's not even an art. It's guesswork.

Sigh,

Do you honestly think that either one of those players would have excelled in Miami last year with the team we had??? They BOTH played on very good teams & Tannehill didn't.

Some of you will never understand that a QB's success depends on which team drafts him & what that team puts around him. Flacco is no Dan Marino okay??? He's not Aaron Rodggers or Tom Brady either. He's a good QB on a team that had players like Boldin, Jacoby Jones, Torrey Smith, & Ray Rice that continued to bail him out. And there's NO WAY that Denver should have lost that game. That was an absolutely pathetic play by their Safety.

There are plenty of QB's who never had a chance to be successful b/c of how bad his teams were & how bad his coaches were. Think of how much Alex Smith struggled before Harbaugh came to SF....

Posted by: tvegas897 | April 30, 2013 at 04:08 PM

Please awake yourself man. What we got for Marshall could be used as whatever we wished to upgrade this team. It doesn't have to be a superstar.

We more than made up for Brandon Marshall with the offseason acquisition of Mike Wallace. So, if you want to grade the effect of a wr like Marshall leaving.

Then please, for Godsakes, grade by the the effects of the wr we've brought in. Marshall was signed at roughly 10 million a yr, and Wallace more.

I still rather have Wallace over Marshall anyday.

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You seem to have an answer(excuse) for everything, even under different nicks. Go to sleep! And leave Us all Adults to our adult conversation.

Posted by: oscar canosa | April 30, 2013 at 03:20 PM
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Oscar, the problem is that there are not many Adults in this Blog.

Posted by: oscar canosa | April 30, 2013 at 03:25 PM
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Are you talking to yourself Troll Boy, or did you just FORGET to change that screwy sign in name......AGAIN!

BUSTED-ROTFLMAO!!!!

Kap,

Played In A Weak Conference. And Ran The Pistol.

At Best He Was A Mid 2nd. Because Of His Physical Gifts.

And Drafting A Qb Last Year Spo Was The HC.

Just Think About That. And You Got Your Answer.

No doubt Bess was consistent but with him gone Tannehill is now forced to rely and build a rapport with Gibson, Wallace, Matthews or Keller. Like he has with Hartline and had with Bess.

YG4E,

Thanks for the compliment earlier.

Maybe I'm throwing my curve ball into the dirt in front of home plate today.

Anyway, despite my being skeptical of certain Dolphin moves, I do hope they play well next year. I say that even though I'm not a real big fan of some of the things Ireland has done as GM.

Believe me, I hope the Dolphins average 350 yards a game passing. Those were the days! LOL.

Sigh,

I apologize for my last post to you. I didn't see the post you had after where you basically said what I said. Sorry 'bout that...

Also, Marshall never gave us 10 million a year in performance in return.

Marshall was more interested in bashing the qb's, getting in silly troubles, and padding his pass reception stats.

He routinely dropped td's, and speaking of tds, never gave a 10 million batch of them in any season.

GOD made male and female man for woman not man for man

No doubt Bess was consistent but with him gone Tannehill is now forced to rely and build a rapport with Gibson, Wallace, Matthews or Keller. Like he has with Hartline and had with Bess.

Eddie,

And the rookies as well but that's just the way it is. All QB's (look at Brady's WR's???) need to constantly adapt to change b/c NFL teams have revolving doors.

GUYS,

LETS END THIS RIGH NOW.

MIKE WALLACE REPLACED BRANDON MARSHALL. NOT THE TWO 3RD RD DRAFT PICKS.

tvegas897,

I'm sure if Bess was such an asset, as you describe then Ireland and Philbin owuld have never made the move. I'm not denying that Bess wasn't a good player for us last year but if you hadn't noticed, we've added Wallace, Gibson and Keller.....so YES, he has been replaced. On top of that we have Matthews ready to step up into a more prominent role.

I just find it HILARIOUS that so many Dolphin fans are up in arms over this move. How is this going to be what makes or breaks our season?

He doesn't exactly fit what Sherman and Philbin want to do on offence. Last year people were crying because he was starting. This year people are crying because we got rid of him. Which is it?

"I was not saying I would have picked Wilson in the 1st round. Perhaps the 2nd round. But the Phins picked Tannehill. It must be said that Tannehill may yet be the better QB."

Sigh-
I was a huge fan of Wilson in college. But can't fault the Fins for pulling the trigger on Tanny given the huge need for a franchise QB. No guarantee Wilson would still be on the board for us in the 2nd. So we're on the same page- the draft is an inexact science.

One point on the WR's though. Wilson wasn't blessed with a great supporting cast last year. Tate, Rice, Baldwin don't exactly strike fear into their opponents. That's one of the reasons I was even more impressed with the great season Wilson turned out. Watch out this year with Harvin aboard.

Is he a better QB than Tanny? Time will tell. I am putting money on a huge step forward for Tanny this year. At least he now has a true deep threat and some TE's to stretch the middle of the field. Let's hope Ireland picked the right guy.

We Have Playmakers,

No problem. :)

I should have wrote a better first and more complete first post, so that's on me. Sorry about that. I'm off my game today. LOL.

We would all probably agree a lot more in person since there would be interaction, tone of voice, expressions, and so on.

Yea...and in 1999 we moved down in the draft to get LB Joe Blow when Tom Brady was still on the board.

Stop what iffing the draft to death Mando...you're killing me.

when someone say they gay you don.t remove there commet but someone have something to say you remove it. stop talking about gay people .

TVegas,

Yes, I hope Tannehill also takes a big step forward as well. In some ways, that is the key to the whole season (and beyond).

At least, Tannehill played one his better games against Wilson. Hopefully, those flashes of excellent play will become weekly.

Tate, Simeon Rice, and Baldwin weren't ASTRONOMICAL UPGRADES to our wr corps last year? ROTFLMO........

For 3;4 of the season,the only wr's we had were Bess and Hartline, We were bringing them in and cutting like flies.

Oh, and lets not even mention what an ASTRONOMICAL UPGRADE Zack Miller is to Anthony Fasano.

Some of things we hear in this blog are UNBELIVABLE!!!!!!!!!


One point on the WR's though. Wilson wasn't blessed with a great supporting cast last year. Tate, Rice, Baldwin don't exactly strike fear into their opponents.

Posted by: tvegas897 | April 30, 2013 at 04:26 PM

COMPARED TO WHAT TANNEHILL HAD LAST SEASON, I STILL CANT STOP ROTFLMAO AT THIS ONE! LOL...

3/4 of the season @ 4:32 PM

I can't remember a single Devon Bess Touchdown. I do however remember that he either slips and falls after the catch, or just goes down to avoid the big hit. We need receivers to explode and fight for yardage....freaking cry babies.

Hello Oscar my old friend/
It's good to talk to you again...

Yeah Right, a rookie qb(Wilson) makes it all the way to the nfc championship game with scrub receivers. Last I checked Wilson wasn't throwing anc catching those balls to himself. ROTFLMAO........

He's been the most consistent WR on the Fins roster the past four years and gives you nothign but first downs, but o.k. Craig. Don't get me wrong- I'm not mistaking him for Jerry Rice. If Philbin finds a true slot guy does it as well as Bess does, no beef with me. The trade, however, netted squat because we essentially swapped 4th rounders and a 7th for a 5th. Then we whiffed on Boyce, who was targeted to fill Bess's role.

There is no guy on the roster tthat naturally fits that role. Gibson is not that player. Watch the film on the guy. He is a nice red zone target and I'm glad we have him. But the Fins were targeting Boyce for a reason.

Hope you are following along.

Guys,

Just ignore tvegas until he comes to his senses. Obviously the banged hid head against something today and has a severe brain concussion.

I don't think Roger Goddell will pay for that.

he banged his head

tvegas,

How many fingers am I holding up? LOL...

J. Blackmon Suspended 4 Games.

Good Thing The Fins Didn't Try And Draft Him. Like Some Here Say They Wanted.

Expect To Hear The Same Thing About Mathieu Next Season.

I'm happy Bess is gone and now the younger, bigger faster WRs will get his reps. Bess was maxed as far as his talent goes and at the end of the day he's just not a playmaker or a threat to become one. Without a Calvin Johnson type the Dolphins must have multiple threats to break a tackle or shed their defender and make a big play. Bess often went down on first contact or fumbled fighting for extra yards. Teams didn't plan on stopping him as he rarely posed a threat to take it to the house and could be caught from behind. But he was consistent.

Tate
Rice
Baldwin

Are All High Draft Picks.

Hartline Was A 4th Rounder. And Bess Was A UDFA.

As I have repeatedly said, NEVER TRADE DOWN! Would you trade a porsch for 2 chevy's. Or a more apt description a Caddy for a couple of low end chevy's. Or a 3rd round for 2 4rths. He knew what he had. I might trade 2 4rths for a 3rd or a high 4rth. Quality is what counts, never quantity.

And to boot I thought Ireland had done some pretty intelligent things. Until I read this post and realize he got very lucky with that trade up and now I am thinking he got lucky having Ross as an owner.

Now I am cocking my eyebrow, awaiting for his dumb response.

tvegas897,

You KEEP going on about Bess. Jesus man, if he's SO good how come he's never made a Pro Bowl? Seriously? Oh and on an on....

He was a decent player. Check! But he's not the be all and end all. Once again, if he was that all important piece to the puzzle he'd still be around. Obviously Ireland and Philbin didn't feel he was. They've opened up a spot in the roster for Matthews. You as a fan have NO clue what it is they want to do with the offence. They on the other hand do. I'll trust their judgement on this one if it's OK with you.

Archie Manning would be in the Hall of Fame today had he played on better teams in his career rather than absolutely atrocious ones in New Orleans and Minnesota.

Conversely, how many of you HONESTLY think Bob Griese would be there had he been drafted by a perennial loser of that era like the Saints or Bills? C'mon.

Yes, a top quarterback is vitally important but they CANNOT perform single-handed miracles or turn a hopeless situation into a consistent winner. You need more than that.

As others said, Wilson and Kapernick had FAR more to work with last year than Tannehill did. Not even close. In fact, they play for two of the top teams in football--teams that were ALREADY on the rise before their arrival.

You can judge Tannehill more accurately after THIS season where his offensive weapons are clearly better. As a rookie with that pop-gun offense with ZERO downfield threat he did just fine, considering.

Philbin Doesn't Need A True Slot Guy.

Philbin Wants A Wr To Play All 3 Positions.

Wallace
Hartline
Gibson
Matthews
Binns

Can All Play All 3 Positions.

Oh, and lets not even mention what an ASTRONOMICAL UPGRADE Zack Miller is to Anthony Fasano.
Some of things we hear in this blog are UNBELIVABLE!!!!!!!!!
CANT STOP ROTFLMAO AT THIS ONE! LOL...

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone 4Ever | April 30, 2013 at 04:35 PM

YG- You're kidding right? How much football do you watch dude? Seriously, before you try to make others look silly on this board that have a clue about football, do your homework.

Not ONE of those guys caught over 50 balls. Their TE was a huge upgrade over Fasano? Fasano caught more balls and touchdowns than the great Zach Miller.

In fact, Bess AND Hartline put up better numbers than any single Seattle WR.

Here's the difference- Wilson was Mr. Clutch in his rookie season and pulled out close games and comebacks that were the sign of a 10 year veteran. He had a great supporting cast on defense and Lynch to help wear down the defense.

His receiving corp was nothing special YG.

And YOU can't beleive some of the things you hear on this board? I like you dude, but don;t come on hear acting like you are all knowing and the others don't know squat about football. Tanny might end up being everything and more. But Wilson outplayed him by a long stretch without a great supporting receiving corp. This year will be a lot different if Harvin stays on the field.

Philbin Doesn't Need A True Slot Guy.

Philbin Wants A Wr To Play All 3 Positions.

Dashi-
That might be the most intelligent response on the board. You might be on to somethign there. Only problem with that is that Ireland went for a slot reciever in the draft that got taken by the Pats.

tvegas897,

First of all the receiving corpse that Wilson had in Seattle was FAR superior to what Tennehill had in Miami last year. Not even close! Trying doing some research first.

Secondly, Philbin has said he wants WRs that can play all three positions. No more SPECIALISTS. Not sure how you're not getting that. All you keep doing is going on about what a big loss this is for the Dolphins. Newsflash....you have NO clue what the Dolphins vision is for this offence but it needs to be a Hell of a lto better than the 18ppg they produced last year year. Let's let the guy who actually know a thing or two about football make the decisions, OK?

How stoked is Boyce going to the Pats instead of the hapless Dolphins?


You as a fan have NO clue what it is they want to do with the offence. They on the other hand do. I'll trust their judgement on this one if it's OK with you.

Posted by: Craig M | April 30, 2013 at 04:52 PM

You're right about that Craig. I will defer to Ireland and the coaching staff. It's gone so well in the past. But I do have faith in Phibin turning things around even though he reminds me a lot of Elmer Fudd. LOL

I'm outta here. Debates like the one that I am having with YG remind me of why I don't post regulary on the board. Love the Fins, love my fellow fans... just don't like the ones that follow the team blindly every losing season

tvegas897,

'Only problem with that is that Ireland went for a slot reciever in the draft that got taken by the Pats'.

He did? Why because Armando has a source who said that was the case? Is this the same source who said the Dolphins weren't interested in McKinnie?

Stop taking everything that's said on here as gospel. We actually have no clue EXACTLY what Ireland had in mind.

And one other point: Who's to say that Wallace can't play some slot on this team. Seems to me I've seen him take it inside and rips of long runs a number of times. Some rule against him doing that?

COUNT TO BUST:

PFT reports Gino Smith fired his agent because Smith expected to be the #1 overall pick. At least 1st rd.

WOW, really Gino?

PFT goes on to state that if Gino cant handle the rigors of what happened draft day. He'll never be able to handle the disappointment of the nfl. Especially the New York media.

WOW, season hasn't started yet and Gino Smith is beginning to travel down bust road. Well, he is a NY Jet, so nothing new.

First of all the receiving corpse that Wilson had in Seattle was FAR superior to what Tennehill had in Miami last year. Not even close! Trying doing some research first.

Wrong again Craig. Read my earlier post to YG. But that's nothing new for you. LOL

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