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Not a fan of draft-day trades but if you must then ...

You know how I feel about draft day trades? They have rarely factored to any large degree for the Dolphins, as I demonstrate in this column. They were meh before meh was a thing.

And I do believe if you read the column the proof is indisputable.

But personnel men being personnel men, they still think that despite the fact they bat .500 at best -- meaning they miss as a group on half their picks despite all their meetings and tape study and visits and workouts and interviews -- somebody is definitely going try to jockey around the draft board because he thinks himself smarter than everyone else.

So what's my prediction if the Dolphins end up doing that?

Well, while everyone is predicting a trade up because the Dolphins have assets move up if they wish, I see them moving down. That's right down.

Why?

Because if the Dolphins personnel department is smart -- and there are indeed some very intelligent people in that group -- somebody has recognized that there are not 100 percent can't-miss superstars in the top seven picks. Going up in the draft will offer some good but no truly amazing player this year.

The value in this draft, I've been told on multiple occasions by personnel men I speak with is lower in the draft where, they say, the 12th pick might not bring any better a player than the 15th-35th pick. In other words, a lower pick might get you as good a player.

If that is the case, then logic says trade down and augment your number of picks and thus your number of equally talented players.

Following that logic, the Dolphins should trade down in the bottom third of the first round and add another second round pick and possibly another later-round pick in the process. That way, instead of picking up one player at No. 12, you pick up two -- with the lower first-rounder and an additional second-rounder -- and those two players can have about the same value as the one player at No. 12.

Logical, yeah?

Obviously, the Dolphins have to find a partner willing to do that.

Look to the San Francisco 49ers.

The 49ers are a ready-made team. They are a player or two from winning the Super Bowl. Maybe they want the best wide receiver in the draft and the way to do that is to be at No. 12. They're also locked in a talent war with Seattle. What better way to get the jump on the 'Hawks?

The 49ers have the 31st pick in the first round and have two second-round picks, including No. 34 overall. If they throw in a later-round pick, I'd give them the No. 12 overall pick. (Indeed, they can keep their later-round pick for all I care).

Such a sceaniro would have Miami picking 31st in the first round, three more times in the second round and two more times in the third round. Six picks in the first three rounds in this draft is a treasure.

Now, all of a sudden, fake GM Salguero is adding perhaps OT D.J. Fluker or OT Menelik Watson if Fluker goes earlier. Now I'm adding cornerback D.J. Hayden at the top of the second round with San Fran's second-rounder and I can go chase Stanford tight end Zach Ertz or San Diego State's Gavin Escobar with the 42nd overall knowing that I've already filled my two primary needs. Or maybe Florida safety Matt Elam or FIU safety John Cyprien is the guy at 42.

And the Dolphins would still have another second rounder after that. Imagine?

The Dolphins worked hard to give themselves choices for the draft while operating in free agency. They should be smart and work hard during the draft to give themselves more choices during that very draft.

One way to do that is to trade down, the opposite direction of what most speculation out there has them doing.

If the Dolphins don't trade down and stay at No. 12, they're likely to look at Star Lotulelei, in part because he's a good player and not a reach at that spot. But will he be a tons better NFL player than any of the guys I just mentioned?

No one can guarantee that. And that's the point of trading down in this draft.

 

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I said it a month ago, expect Ireland to trade down & trade down often. There are 2 reasons:

1. The top end talent isn't there and as Armando has been saying, everyone from mid 1st round will not be much better than mid first thru 3rd round. Thats the rumor.

2. Miami has alot of expiring contracts the next 2 years & they just signed alot of big money contracts. Coincidence? NO WAY! Miami has to replace those expiring contracts with younger & cheaper options if they don't want to dump these big contracts in 2-3 years. How do you do that? With the draft!

Both play a major part & I think it's more about #2. Ireland has played this FA period brilliantly IMO w/the future in mind.

Miami's cap will be fine if they can find replacements in the draft rather than having to dip into FA gain next year & the following year. Remember, the '14 & 15' seasons cap hits are the largest for the guys we signed.

Don't be shocked to see alot of trade downs for extra picks, this year & next!

Ross is going to sell this team either way IMO . He will either get the renovations done which will make this team more valuable and flip it. OR he will wait 2 years, cut the big contracts like Wallace and sell the team. I would rather pick option A. This way we have a shot at being a good team for years. Option B is we turn back to garbage in a few years and have a new owner who could move this team.

Bobby dont say that!!! You will give me nightmares!! I dont want my beloved Dolphins torn apart , relocated or re-branded. NOT COOL!!!

We don't care, bobby. We want the best Players here, Now.

Thank God we only have to wonder for 10 more days

Armando, good to see you urge Jeff and Dawn on: "They should be smart and work hard during the draft to give themselves more choices during that very draft."

It's certain they would have worked lazy and dumb if you had not exorted them to do better.

I hope they stand at 12 or trade down but if they do a trade with San Fran then they should get a lot of picks in return cause like someone said earlier San Fran's first rounder is really just a a jacked up 2 nd rounder. Every one keeps talking about Eddie Lacy, but I would rather they look at RB's in the later rounds like rounds 3,4, or 5. That kid from Wisconsin looks pretty good to me (Montee Ball) not as big as Lacy but looks pretty good. Just a thought. But IMO I think pass rush and tight end should be the first couple picks.

The Best Players.

We already have 11 picks, how many picks do we really need? This year is about ensuring QUALITY, in the past it was about filling out the roster, i.e QUANTITY. We have a pretty solid young foundation. Lets start adding cornerstones, not just FILLER. If the best pick is an OL, then take him!! If Star L is there, take him!! I dont want 5 4th round picks! Or 8 6th round picks. I want some bad @ss mofo's that are gonna take us to the SUPERBOWL!

We need a big bruiser type of RB who can shed tackles, Bush cant shed tackles and L Miller cant really shed tackles, elude and shed tackles is two diffrent things. I'll take take Lacy with a 2nd round pick, he's big and physical unlike that softy D Thomas who sucks and is concussion prone and hes a RB. SMH. Lacy in the 2nd!

Mando,

I think we should just stay put & take the BPA like you're supposed to do. All I know is that when you trade up for a player & you give up multiple picks you better hit on that guy b/c you're whole draft will suffer. I keep going back to the Daniel Thomas trade. It's one thing if you give up three picks to get a guy but when you miss...You wind up having a sh#tty draft. Yes we got the pick for Pouncey right but you're supposed to get more than one good player in an entire draft.

YOU may not care Oscar, I do. You can close your eyes to reality but I don't. What you or I WANT don't matter. We don't have 350 million on the line. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, been wrong before, doesn't bother me. There is more going on then taking players on a Board. A lot more at stake.

Doesn't this blog contradict a previous blog not that long ago where Mando said Ireland has to draft a couple of "stars"? Now he states there aren't any stars even at the top of the draft. And the smarter play if your trading back is to get someones #1 pick next year. Draft savvy is not just a one year job.

"1 15 Mike Pouncey C Florida
2 62 Daniel Thomas RB Kansas State
4 111 Edmond Gates WR Abilene Christian
6 174 Charles Clay RB Tulsa
7 231 Frank Kearse DT Alabama A&M
7 235 Jimmy Wilson DB Montana"

I have backed off of Ireland b/c I think he did a great job this offseason BUT look at this draft in 2011!!! Are you kidding me??? Pretty hard to f#ck up a draft worse than this...No trading up.

That 2011 draft really sucked!

Just look at the schools the guys who were drafted comes from, Pouncey is the only respectable school and what do you know hes the best out of the bunch. Gates from AC wherever the F that is. Terrible

Yeah, bobby, Winning.

It seems to be wishful thinking about trading up for Lacy...
Please look at Philbin's philosophy for RB's when he was in Green Bay
Dominating production from an RB is not in Philbin's game plan....

Green Bay was 24th in 2010 when they won the SuperBowl.
Their leading rusher that year? Brandon Jackson - 703yds
They followed that up by being 27th in the league for 2011.
Their top 2 rushers were James Starks (578 yds) & Ryan Grant (559 yds)

The last time Green Bay had a 1,000 rusher was 2009 with Grant (1259 yds)

Get an established OT guy either by signing a free agent OT or trading for Albert.
then get ourselves the BPA for S, TE, DE, WR and hell maybe two CBs then shore up our depth

Well, Chiefs have come down on price. Now a trade down with Dallas would make a ton of sense
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/15/chiefs-willing-to-trade-branden-albert-for-a-high-second-round-pick/

I dont want 5 4th round picks! Or 8 6th round picks.

Posted by: Rdubs | April 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Exactly. Might as well look for a needle in a haystack, probably will be more effective.

Tim Bowens was a beauty ... just a bad, bad man. Wouldn't that be a good use of the 12th overall pick? To have someone who can dominate like that? Sheldon Richardson and Star Lotuleilei both have the goods.

Al, think Christine Michael ... another A&M boy. These A&M boys have the goods ... keep knocking on that door...

WNP, I think 2010 was worse, especially when you consider who they missed on when they were staring us right in the face. 2011 just didn't look like a strogn draft for anybody that didn't draft a Qb really..

Could you imagine, Starks and Odrick playing DE and Star and Soliai plugging up the middle on rushing downs! Good luck running against that line!!

Rdubs, I agree with your comment about quality vs. quantity - the only problem is, how do you determine quality since 50% of 1st rd picks don't live up to expectations. That's right. After all the analyses is done there is no such thing as a sure fire 1st rd pick.

So picking many players, quantity, simply gives you better odds of finding really good players and even a gem. Like Zach or Jason. Or Reshad Jones who did take awhile to develop but I'd call him a gem right now as a 5th rd pick.

Soliai and Starks were not high round picks. Ellerbe was undrafted, Wheeler a 3rd rounder if I am not mistaken. Grimes was also undrafted.

You can get QUALITY in later rounds.

"We already have 11 picks, how many picks do we really need? This year is about ensuring QUALITY, in the past it was about filling out the roster, i.e QUANTITY. We have a pretty solid young foundation. Lets start adding cornerstones, not just FILLER."

...Why wouldn't you want 5th round picks? I'm sure 32 general managers would take as many as they could get. Draft picks are NFL currency. They may not be the 100 dollar bills the first and second round picks are. But they have value. In fact we have found better players in the 5th round then our record of second round choices. Not only that. 5th round picks give you ammunition for trades. Currency that can be used to upgrade down the line.

It may seem like cannon fodder for some of you. Like these later round picks are just throw aways...False.

MJZ, I should have prefaced my comment by stating my want this year. I am one of those trade up to get a LT guys.

I am usually of the trade down mentality, but I seem to be stuck on a LT. I dont want Branden Albert and the second and 3rd tier tackles seem very weak. Now Like you said, perhaps the next ALL PRO LT can be found in rounds 4-7 who knows,its not an exact science. But I am pretty confident that the top LT prospects are gonna be very good.

Low round draft picks or Undrafted can become stars, but sometimes if you get too many in camp or you have some late bloomers, they end up getting cut and succeeding for another team, does that make sense? I think having anything over 11 draft picks, would be too much. I kind of think we might need to start trading for and stockpile picks for next year

Rdubs, you need alot of picks considering you have more than a dozen starters up for FA the next 2 years. And the draft is a crap shoot, 50/50 odds at best.

How do you increase your odds? LOTS OF PICKS.

We need cheap bodies to fill out the roster & replace all those guys in the next 1-2 years. Thats what the next 2 drafts are about. FA was nice but, Irelands make or break moment is the draft.

Clemmons, Carpenter, Starks, Soliai, Bess, Keller, Grimes, Jerry, Inccognito, Misi, Odrick, Jones & Pouncey all FA's the next 2 years.

That doesn't even include R. Marshall & D. Patterson.

Using FA to replace most of them them isn't an option going forward. By getting alot of picks it maximizes the odds you will find enough guys good enough to make the roster. Because this team, as currently constructed, will need them.

I was never a fan of trading back but, this team does have some talent to work with now. It needs to find poential staters down the road & depth. Ireland's finally done it right. First you find quality, then you build around it. Prior years he's built the depth & tried to add pieces to it.

..I think the idea that this draft is weak, or there aren't good players is a joke. Sure the quarterback class looks thin..But even this class could be better then advertised. The idea that there is no value in the first round? We don't know that. The idea that the real meat of this draft is the second and third rounds? Really. Will we see teams dropping out of the first round to gather more second round picks? The way some talk about the first round prospects would lead some to believe that is going to be the case.

There will be hits..There will be misses. History will tell us if this was a weak class. Nobody can say for sure today.

trading down is for people like new england, new orleans, and teams that dont have alot of draft picks. miami was agressive in free agency and has electrified its fan base by being agressive. armando is a sports writer and not a football gm. by trying to be to cute and rolling the dice to try to get the best unbelievable deal is like putting all your money on the weekly powerball lottery. miami needs to be VERY AGRESSIVE in the draft! dont be conservative like dave wannstedt or tony sparano and play not to lose! go for the touchdown and try to win the game! GO FOR IT ALL IN THE DRAFT! very good players will put us over the top. there is a reason why players are considered top players. you have a better chance of those players being very good players in the nfl. im sure some people will point out late round selections that panned out. if the fins trade down and then dont get the players they want, we dont wanna hear that those players were not on the board when miami picked with 11 picks and not that many needs in the draft!

I've been saying trade down is a bigger probablity than trade up. Now mando is getting it

Tim Bowens was a beauty ... just a bad, bad man. Wouldn't that be a good use of the 12th overall pick? To have someone who can dominate like that? Sheldon Richardson and Star Lotuleilei both have the goods.

Mark,

If Star or Richardson could be anywhere close to the player that Bowens was I'd take that guy in a heartbeat @ 12.

BTW--EVERYONE is gushing over Ansah & Jordan & Werner as pass rushers BUT the guy who is getting lost in the conversation among the 'draft experts' is Damontre Moore & I really don't know why. The more I see from this guy the more I think he could be the best pass rusher in this draft. If anyone knows this kid it's his former HC Mike Sherman.

Miami will trade up:

It's logical they trade up with Oakland to #3. The Dolphins get fill a HUGE need and PREMIER position and BPA all at the same time in Eric Fisher.

Many of you have been talking about it on how bad Miami's draft have been and whats the odds that all the draft picks Miami has end up being at least good players or super stars? You trade up to ensure you get a great prospect at #3 overall when Oakland desperately wants to rebuild with young players and recoup draft picks missing from past deals like Carson Palmer trade.

According to any draft trade chart you want to google, Miami is going to have to give up #12 overall, #42 (2nd), #77 (3rd) and a 3rd next year to move from #12 to #3 and I would do it. You fill a premier position, get a great talent, system fit (Athletic zone blocking) and the BPA. It's a win-win for both teams.

"I've been saying trade down is a bigger probablity than trade up. Now mando is getting it."

Boulder,

That only works IF a team wants to trade up. How do you know another team wants to trade up to get a guy at 12??? You can't script what you're going to do, you just have to see how things play out on draft day. This is why mock drafts are retarded. There were 6 trades in the top ten last year.

BTW--Geno Smith has BUST written all over him so I hope either the Bills or the Jets take him.

Spike Game,

Was anyone on here talking about it yesterday? It was on the NFL network. What a fun game to watch. I mean you know Miami wins vs the Jets is always great and it was comeback. Marino was awesome in the 2nd half. The look off the secondary passes, the touch balls short and deep, the frozen ropes! Classic Marino!

Speaking of Bowens on here. There was a point in the 2nd half where he had about a 10 play stretch where he was unblockable. He caused back to back fumbles and was blowing up the pocket every play. It was cool to watch. And that was Bowens rookie season.

Salguero is a fake sportswriter whose career is "meh".

"Using FA to replace most of them them isn't an option going forward. By getting alot of picks it maximizes the odds you will find enough guys good enough to make the roster. Because this team, as currently constructed, will need them."

LOL,

Exactly!!! Which is why I'd like to see us use all eleven picks (or even trade back to get more) to increase our chances of hitting on players. As evidenced by what I mentioned in regards to our 2011 draft if you trade three picks to move up to get a guy & you miss--you're whole draft is a mess. And this was to take a slow RB in the 2nd which is now considered to be high for a RB. If you're going to trade up to the 2nd to get a RB you better be getting the next MJD, LeSean McCoy, or Ray Rice & not Daniel Thomas.

Let's draft 11 TEs.

Was anyone on here talking about it yesterday? It was on the NFL network. What a fun game to watch. I mean you know Miami wins vs the Jets is always great and it was comeback. Marino was awesome in the 2nd half. The look off the secondary passes, the touch balls short and deep, the frozen ropes! Classic Marino!

Speaking of Bowens on here. There was a point in the 2nd half where he had about a 10 play stretch where he was unblockable. He caused back to back fumbles and was blowing up the pocket every play. It was cool to watch. And that was Bowens rookie season.

Let's face it--it was much more enjoyable being a Dolphins fan back then. Like I said on here before, Marino gave us a chance to win EVERY single week. Other than the worst to first season in 2008 there hasn't been much to get excited about in over a decade. However I FINALLY trust our HC & clearly he's not an idiot.

If they trade down there going to take te in Tyler effort with their first round pick

WNP, Bingo on the Dts and especially on Damontre Moore. I think he is the best pass rusher that had a first round grade. he had excellent production and his measurables are very good when you consider his pro day. yeah he had a bad day at the combine. But it would be stupid to let that trump everything else he did, especially when you see that he made up for his bad scores at the pro day. He would be my first choice from the upper echelon of pass rushers. And some think he will slip to the 2nd round. If that happens, he will make a lot of people regret that. 86 tackles, 12.5 sacks against some of the best o lines in the country. 19 reps is pretty good on the becnh for a finesse guy like him. And when you factor in how good his explosiveness and agility tests were, you've got an intriguing prosepct. Werner and Jones don't have his athleticism. Ansah doesn't have his production. he is the one guy that brings the best of athleticism and producing against top competition. Then people want to question his work ethic? i don't get it.

WNP,

I have NO issues trading up. I would trade up for a premier pass rusher, CB or QB.

I would not trade up to take a LT. People seem to forget our cap space will be severely limited the next 2-3 years because of the deals we gave this year.

On top of that, we will be losing alot of starters the next 2 years. We need to secure as many picks to make the roster to be ready to start in a year or 2.

The ONLY FA's I see us absolutely resigning of our own the next 2 years are Jones & Pouncey. If healthy & productive, Grimes & Keller also.

All those other guys are likely goners & we need to find their replacements somehow. If it's not in FA, and it won't be, it has to be the draft.

I'm not usually a proponent of it, and haven't been in recent drafts but, in this case I think it's the best course to take. We secured the "talent" in FA. Now, it's time to prep for the future.

If I knew Ireland would hit on all his picks I'd say trade up or just sit tight & pick. But his track record in the draft hasn't been great.

We Need Playmakers,

Yeah Miami had a QB then. Hopefully they have one now but unlike Marino, it may take a few years for Tannehill. I think Tannehill shows an obvious sign of development in year 2. How good? Who knows. But I don't think it will be a Chad Henne experience where you say "ok maybe year 3 is where the light bulb comes on". I think Tannehill will put up good numbers and Miami should be a a few wins better which could get them into the playoffs.

They need to fill that LT spot though. I don't want Tannehill becoming a deer in headlights. That's why I am all in favor of trading up and giving up multiple draft pics for Eric Fisher. Forget Lane Johnson, he's not on Fisher or Joeckel's level.


Well, Chiefs have come down on price. Now a trade down with Dallas would make a ton of sense
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/15/chiefs-willing-to-trade-branden-albert-for-a-high-second-round-pick/

Posted by: Bobbyd12
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Why would the Dolphins give up a 2nd rounder and then pay Albert $9M? Albert was the ninth ranked Tackle in the NFL and made $9M. Why would the Dolphins want to pay this guy that much plus give up a 2nd rounder when they could get an OT under the rookie wage scale. I'm not sure the Albert is that good or worth the expense!

WNP, Bingo on the Dts and especially on Damontre Moore. I think he is the best pass rusher that had a first round grade. he had excellent production and his measurables are very good when you consider his pro day. yeah he had a bad day at the combine. But it would be stupid to let that trump everything else he did, especially when you see that he made up for his bad scores at the pro day. He would be my first choice from the upper echelon of pass rushers. And some think he will slip to the 2nd round. If that happens, he will make a lot of people regret that. 86 tackles, 12.5 sacks against some of the best o lines in the country. 19 reps is pretty good on the becnh for a finesse guy like him. And when you factor in how good his explosiveness and agility tests were, you've got an intriguing prosepct. Werner and Jones don't have his athleticism. Ansah doesn't have his production. he is the one guy that brings the best of athleticism and producing against top competition. Then people want to question his work ethic? i don't get it.

Yeah. I find the questioning of his 'work ethic' extremely bizarre as well. Now this is where a trade back could be an interesting decision. Assuming Sherman signs off on Moore & we find a trade partner we could win up getting Moore late in the first round & pick up another 2nd round draft pick which will have plenty of solid prospects @ CB, RB, & TE.

Imagine having Wake & Moore as our pass rushing DE's & then having guys like Odrick & Vernon in the mix to keep everyone fresh??? That would be a serious rotation at DE!!!

LT, LT, LT!!!

Pass rusher isn't a need it's a luxury. Miami has Wake, Odrick, Starks and Olivier Vernon.

TE isn't a need it's a want. Miami has a very good player in Keller on a 1 year deal and although we all know he is a stiff, Egnew is in year 2 and will be given every chance to make the team and be a contributor. Clay is decent for a 6th rounder and gives some depth in 2 TE sets/H-Back role.

CB is a need IMO. Grimes coming off an achilles injury is being penciled as a starter in some of our heads but we shouldn't assume that. Achilles injuries are tough to come back from and particularly for a CB. Richard "pick up a 1st down" Marshall and Nolan "I should've been cut already" Carrol and Dimitri Patterson is one ugly group but the talent in rounds 2 and 3 are very similar with every CB in this draft not named Milliner and a lot have questions about him too. But I think you can fill this spot in round 2.

LT is Miami's biggest need if this offseason holds true in it's all about giving Tannehill what he needs to succeed. This draft is Joeckel and then Fisher and then a guy who shot everyone's draft board because of need at the position and a great combine Lane Johnson and then everyone else and I put Lane Johnson with everyone else IMO.

If I knew Ireland would hit on all his picks I'd say trade up or just sit tight & pick. But his track record in the draft hasn't been great.

LOL,

Usually it takes three or four years out to fully assess a draft but unless Thomas & Clay absolutely blow it up this season then I'd say it sucked. However I wouldn't be shocked if both Thomas, Clay, & Egnew don't even make the team.

I think Tyler Eifert goes to the Patriots. I see them doing whatever it takes. With Gronks future having a big question mark. He has gronk size and speed!!! We pick him at 12 or the pats will get him!!! mark my words!!

LOL, our cap space will be just fine over the next few years. We did not sell out the farm in the least. Hopefully we will not ahve to be as aggressive in free agency in the future though because that will mean our current free agents and drafts were good ones.

Andy,

Don't get me wrong, I love Fisher. He's my favorite prospect in this draft but there are six teams picking ahead of us who need a LT as well. All I know is that we'd HAVE to get ahead of the Lions & trade with either the Raiders @ 3 or the Eagles @ 4. The compensation for that trade up is going to be steep.

Maurice :-*

"Why would the Dolphins give up a 2nd rounder and then pay Albert $9M? Albert was the ninth ranked Tackle in the NFL and made $9M. Why would the Dolphins want to pay this guy that much plus give up a 2nd rounder when they could get an OT under the rookie wage scale. I'm not sure the Albert is that good or worth the expense!"

ProMichael,

I don't think this is going to happen. Albert has a bad back & he'll be 29 in November. If he was 26 & healthy then I think this trade might have been done already.

Dolphin Artificial Super Human Intelligence, some of you people need to look at the draft trade value chart before proposing these trades. Every GM has the chart which give points to draft picks. Without looking and adding points proposing a trade is useless. Good work chart Bubba, the Salgaro trade leaves draft choice on the trade, and Fluker is not a scheme fit.

WNP, agree 100% on Moore. he would make the ideal twin and eventual successor to Wake. He's the same type of guy. I would even be ok with them taking him at 12. before the combine this guy was thought of as a top 5 pick. he should certainly be in the mix there. let some other team fall for Ansah's combine results. i will take the guy that is almost equal to ansah athletically plus is battle tested and much more productive against the best in the country.

if Ansah is a top 10 pick then surely Moore should be in the mix at 12.

BTW guys here's the link to a draft value chart. Don't propose a trade without looking at it.

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

"WNP, agree 100% on Moore. he would make the ideal twin and eventual successor to Wake. He's the same type of guy. I would even be ok with them taking him at 12. before the combine this guy was thought of as a top 5 pick. he should certainly be in the mix there. let some other team fall for Ansah's combine results. i will take the guy that is almost equal to ansah athletically plus is battle tested and much more productive against the best in the country.

if Ansah is a top 10 pick then surely Moore should be in the mix at 12."

Mark,

It wouldn't shock me either if Moore is the pick @ 12 & I'd be happy with the pick. Just thought it would be brilliant moved down, got another pick, & still got Moore.

I'd be happy with Cooper, Warmack, Star, or Richardson too. Definitely would LOVE one of the premier LT's but I just don't think it's feasible.

We Need Playmakers,

That's exactly what I see happening. Miami trading up with Oakland to #3.

The trade value chart which most of us are familiar with has a point system based on each pick so Oakland's pick #3 overall is 2200 points.

Miami's #12 is worth 1200 points. So Miami now has to compensate up to 1000 points in draft currency which they have plenty of.

#12 (1st) - 1200 points
#42 (2nd) - 480 points
#77 (3rd) - 205 points

Which gives you 1885 points and 315 points shy of the trade so Miami would either have to give up a 3rd or possibly even and I would say more likely a 2nd in 2014 to make this happen.

I would do it. The odds of draft choices working out are so hit and miss in any round but Eric Fisher is being billed as a can't miss prospect. Again, I would do it. Miami still has a second and thrid this year and would be losing a 2nd or 3rd next year. It's a lot but for a premium position it's worth it.

DLBailey - "There is only room for 11 players on the field at a time"

Totally agree bailey - how many of these later round picks will actually make the team or get on the field? Get the best players possible right now, we've got tons of picks already, no need to keep adding picks when we need GOOD PLAYERS

IF IRELAND TAKES FLUKER OR ANSAH AT 12 I WILL PUT MY FOOT THROUGHT THE TV!!!

THESE ARE 2ND ROUND PLAYERS, NOT THE BEST AT THIER POSITIONS

DLBailey - "There is only room for 11 players on the field at a time"

Totally agree bailey - how many of these later round picks will actually make the team or get on the field? Get the best players possible right now, we've got tons of picks already, no need to keep adding picks when we need GOOD PLAYERS

Nino,

The draft is an inexact science which is why you need as many picks as possible. You never know which players are going to stay healthy or which players have what it takes to be a professional. Every year you see teams winding up with players like Reshard Jones in the late rounds. That's the beauty of the draft!!!

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