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Players Dolphins might trade at No. 12

The first thing you must understand about draft trades is that intelligent and successful general managers do not trade for draft picks. They trade for players.

That's why the second overall pick last year was worth a mint to the Washington Redskins. They didn't trade for the slot. They traded for Robert Griffin III.

That's why the second overall pick in this year's draft won't be worth nearly as much to anyone interested. The reason is a team would be trading for Eric Fisher or Luke Joeckel or Dion Jordan or Ezekiel Ansah. Not the same value as RG3.

And so in discussing trade up possibilities for the Dolphins consider what player the team would covet so as to give up its own No. 12 pick plus multiple more picks this year and next to climb five or six slots. Who is worth that?

Is Dee Milliner, the most versatile cornerback in the draft, worth that? He's not Deion Sanders, people. Indeed, some teams are concerned about his durability because of the number of times he's required surgery to correct various problems.

Is Ziggy Ansah worth that? The kid is a project. Yes, he might become Jason Pierre Paul. Or he might become a tremendous bust who never figures it out.

Are either Eric Fisher or Luke Joeckel worth that kind of ransom? Let me rephrase, are they worth giving up a No. 1 this year, a No. 1 next year and probably both No. 2s this year and perhaps another next year? Some of you are freaking out because the Dolphins might give up second-rounder for Branden Albert but you'd be ok with mortgaging this draft and possibly next for Fisher or Joeckel?

When you do the exercise this way it becomes hard to fathom the Dolphins trading up in this draft unless the price for doing so has dropped dramatically.

Remember, the Dolphins are not one player away from going to the Super Bowl.

There is not a sure-fire superstar that will make 10 Pro Bowls among the first 11 players of this year's draft. I've had two NFL personnel men tell me there are more likely six solid players and multiple busts in the group.

So that out of the way, let us concentrate on what players will available at No. 12 that the Dolphins would be willing to trade away.

That's right, what player that will never play for Miami is Miami willing to trade to another team wanting that player. That's how you must think of it. It's not Miami selling the No. 12 pick. It's Miami selling a player another team covets.

Utah defensive tackle Star Lotulelei will probably be available at No. 12.

Quarterback Geno Smith will probably be available.

Wide receiver Tavon Austin might be available.

Wide receiver Cordarelle Patterson will probably be available.

OLB Jarvis Jones will probably be available.

The two prized guards -- Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack --  will probably be available.

Of all those players, I see only three that might create enough of a buzz to cause a team to try to get up to No. 12 to get them. Those players are Lotulelei, Austin and Smith.

Smith is intriguing because if he's not drafted by Arizona, Cleveland or Buffalo, he's going to fall at least to No. 13 and the New York Jets. So a team wanting him has to get ahead of the Jets, which is perfect for the Dolphins.

Who might be interested? Obviously, this is all conjecture but Minnesota might want a QB.

Lotulelei is one of four defensive tackles that are likely to be drafted in the first round, along with Sharrif Floyd, Sheldon Richardson and Sylvester Williams.  

What teams might covet him more than the Dolphins do?

The Cowboys want DT help. So does San Francisco. So does Minnesota.

Austin is a wildcard. Yes, he's too small. Yes, he might be gone (perhaps to the Jets at No. 9). But if he's there, he might draw the attention of multiple teams that badly want a playmaker.

St. Louis might be interested. They've got two first round picks --  at Nos. 16 and 22.

San Francisco makes sense. The 49ers have 13 picks this draft but nowhere near 13 available roster spots. Seattle is loading up on defense. The 49ers lost Randy Moss and, ahem, Ted Ginn Jr. Anything  to help their young QB?

The point is think players when thinking draft trades. Don't think picks.

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No one knows who we will pick the draft is a fluid thing it just evolves so just sit ,watch , and watch our gm do his thing but remeber Texas a m players hint hint hint

Bet you cant tackle him Dense

zombies?, no sb since 73 will do that 2 u.
lol

lol, more pix 4 irecorn 2 move up in the 5th to get another dt flop.
lol

When is the last time the jets went to the superbowl.........but the national media dub them winners every year..douchebag

The miami zombies hahahahhahahhahah I have been a fan since 1970 and pound of it

k vacc @ 12 or lukeleili.

Posted by: GAfin | April 24, 2013 at 07:52 AM

Im guessing your statement that Albert is better than Long is based on the past two years of Jake being injured?
He is not worth the money Jake Long got in St Louis and if im not mistaken has only played one complete season. If we trade for him, hopefully we leverage the Chiefs and only give up a 3rd..
I think Jeff is known for getting players for his price minus this year's spending spree

Honestly this is your worst blog post ever, Armanda. No one is advocating that Miami trade up to 1 or 2, and it further underscores how little you know about the business side of football if you think it would cost Miami 2 first round picks and 3 second rounds picks this year to do so. The Herald needs to get a real beat reporter, this is getting ridiculous.

Frank, 4 QUALITY starters and several that will start this year.

We do not have room on our roster for mediocre players. Look at our roster. Which of the top 53 players on that roster do you trade for the players in this draft? Try it, it is very hard. Most positions we are loaded.

Especially defensive line.

Im proud of our team....i know there are alot of troll haters on this blog but they have done everything we wanted them to do from last year. We wanted offensive weapons we got em. We wanted a probowl cb......we got him. We wanted a game changer at lb.....watch the playoffs and superbowl from last year. Best player on the field is now a fin. We wanted more speed on defense.......they got it for us. They want to build us a new stadium that will guarantee we will be in Miami for at least 20 more years. They have managed the cap exceptionally well. WHY ALL THE HATE???

this entire draft is full of busts, is there any reason we can save all our pks for next yrs draft? Dolphins would have 24 draft pks. lol,,,lol,,,

Armando,
Do you really think it would take 2 1st rd picks and multiple 2nd rounds to move up 7 spots or so? Maybe I didnt read that correctly.
Last years trade for RG3 was based on his talent and the impact of that position. Theres a difference when trading up for a QB and a Lineman

I know this is a weird thing to say, but one thing we really need in the later rounds is a fullback. The FB position is pretty important in the West Coast offence we run.
I would also like us to pick up Monte Ball or Lacey in Rds 2 or 3, either would be a great pickup.
All this aside, please - no Albert trade unless it's for a 4th rounder. Let's keep our first 4 picks and get some more talent to fill the remaining gaps: tackle, guard, free safety, corner, fullback... and a kicker to challenge Carpenter.

mace taggar, you're in the minority when it comes to the uni and logo.

We dont need to trade up. After kc picks joekel, we will be able to get albert for a third rounder. Be patient. we are in the drivers seat. We will get the second rounder back from san fran when they jump ahead of the jets to get austin. Its gonna be a fun night tomorrow........the beer is cold and the weed is rolled

mace.......i like the new uni and logo.....its time for a complete overhaul. Its a great thing. Plus the light colord unis make the visitors wear dark colors.......when is the last time you wore black in the florida heat........it sucks man

The first thing you must understand about draft trades is that intelligent and successful general managers do not trade for draft picks. They trade for players.

Mando,

Like Ireland did with Daniel Thomas. Not!!!

I like NE Dolfan's comments and agree with him. Let' not overpay for Albert. The cap hit is the problem there along with the draft pick given up. Draft picks are a better value for the team's long term future. Eifert or Milliner at 12 makes sense in a lot of respects for the Fins. Use the next 4 picks (2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd) to take the best available players for our other needs of DE, OT, and CB/TE (depending upon what you did in the 1st). A trade down only makes sense at the 15/16 level. I agree that a trade down to SF or Minn would miss out on a key player we need now, life Eifert or Milliner.

Best case scenario I see here:

1. We give a 3rd round pick for Albert
2. Trade down to 16th and get back our 3rd rounder
3. Pick Best available player with our 5 picks in the first 3 rounds
4. Couple of trade ups with our remaining 6 picks to convert them to 2-3 players (Best available on each round)
5. Complement with 8 unsigned Free agents.

Assuming we can get TE, 2 cb's and OL with the first 5 picks I think we will be ok and as somebody pointed out earlier, it is a matter of chemistry and how this bunch of new players can gel together fast....

What an ignorant comment, "There is not a sure-fire superstar that will make 10 Pro Bowls among the first 11 players of this year's draft" Who makes 10 pro bowls??? You can probably count those players on one hand. heck, Marino only made 9. Guess he wouldn't be worth the 12th pick and you trade down then too??

There are about 8 players that are extremely worthy of the #12 pick. Wait, one will fall and you snag him. Probably won't be a glamour position but it will be an extremely valuable player probably.

Eifert will not last past 13, GUARANTEED!

eifert is going to cleveland.......remember i told you

I wouldn't be surprised, Jet Hater. he is one of the legit 8 prospects in the top half of the first round in my opinion. In any case, the latest he goes is to the jets at 13. They need a TE, no? And behind Eifert, the best guy is Kelce who is a mental case.

If we stay at 12 I'd be happy with either Cooper, Warmack, or Lotulelei. If we trade down then I'd be happy if we took Eifert or Ertz.

The only players that I could see us trading up for would have been Fisher or Joeckel. Since they will be gone in the top two or three picks the chances of us trading up are VERY slim. I think fans should prepare themselves for us trading with KC for Albert. If our coaches are sold on him then I'm all for it.

Whens the last time A TE drafted in the first round was successful???

Rather pay the price with Albert than roll the dice with martin if those are our only two legit options...

Still hate giving it up for Albert. Would'e rather just paid jake. he's missed as many games as Albert.

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yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Jason, Brandon Pettigrew, jermaine Gresham, Vernon Davis, Tony Gonzalez... just off the top of my head...

I would not be so fast to rule out moving up, depending on what we'll have to give up. Joeckle & Fisher will be gone quick. But what about Lane Johnson?
Some say he has more upside than the other two.

With so many teams supposedly wanting to trade down this year (and not many wanting to trade up....would it be so costly in picks as it usually does? I don't honestly don't know. maybe no difference.

All I know is, Ireland has managed to get our nuts in a vise at the OT position. Over pay + give up a pick + long term contract for a slightly above average OT or give up multiple picks in the draft. Damn it man.

te from san dog st.

jason..........jermaine gresham 2010. he is a good te

ba had spasms 'cuz he came in a fat pig, he was young + dumb.
jl is a mash unit.
lol

Ireland has been planning all of this for 2013 as far as having multiple draft choices,cap space for free agents and having a possible franchise QB already on the roster.
If they cant get Albert to agree to a contract within the budget, I would keep my draft choices and see if urgency convinces another team to trade up to #12 and give the fins more picks than they have.
After all the moves that have been made I would stay the course.
You guys didnt actually believe the front office was playing for last season did you,wake up this is a business they will tell you what you want to hear, they still have to sell tickets.

GOOD JOB MARK IN TORONTO. ALL I COULD REMEMBER WAS GRESHAM THE MOST RECENT

28-0,
martin @ lt.
lol

Good list, Mark. Hopefully you can add Keller too it especially after this year.

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I'm interested in the 2 guards, Star and Richardson, Eifert at 12. I hope if Damontre Moore slides and the Dolphins trade up into the late first round to get him. I like him as a player and the Texas A&M connection.

Mark In Toronto,
did you see the 30 for 30 report last night on the 83 draft about Elway and his saga not wanting to play for the Colts and the people picked in front of Marino. The GM's were trying to justify/ make themselves look like they wanted him to an extent

Our draft in the first 5 will include a TE, WR, Safety, CB, and pass rusher. Devone Bess will be traded during the draft. Tomorrow is D Day

Posted by: mattybfromnc | April 24, 2013 at 09:27

Albert has averaged missing about a game a year since he has been in the league. In my opinion and most nfl experts I have read, Albert is better than long because he has improved each year in the league and is rated as a much better pass protector than long. If you recall long wasn't hurt at the start of last year and still played poorly until he did get hurt later in the year. Long's issues aren't whether he will have further injuries, the truth is the injuries have already taken their toll with long and he will be average at best going forward. I do agree we do everything we can to trade the lowest pick possible to get Albert but if that pick is our second 2nd round pick, I hope we do it.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say, with the 12th pick of the 2013 draft the Miami Dolphins pick...
Bjoern Woerner, DE, Florida State

would not be so fast to rule out moving up, depending on what we'll have to give up. Joeckle & Fisher will be gone quick. But what about Lane Johnson?
Some say he has more upside than the other two.

With so many teams supposedly wanting to trade down this year (and not many wanting to trade up....would it be so costly in picks as it usually does? I don't honestly don't know. maybe no difference.

All I know is, Ireland has managed to get our nuts in a vise at the OT position. Over pay + give up a pick + long term contract for a slightly above average OT or give up multiple picks in the draft. Damn it man.

Cocoa,

It's one thing if Lane Johnson fell into our lap (which isn't going to happen) but to trade up for a kid that's not a polished LT??? That's quite a gamble.

I've said all along that Fisher is my favorite prospect in this entire draft & he's the one player I'd trade up for. He's NFL ready & if he stays healthy I see no reason why he won't become one of the best LT's in football. I know the draft 'experts' have fallen in love with Johnson & his athleticism but right now he's not in the same class as Fisher or Joeckel for that matter. Maybe he becomes a great player but the other two are ready to start right away. With that said it would cost us too much to get Fisher or Joeckel so in THIS draft I don't see a scenario where Ireland trades up.

Toronto,

I agree with you why trade back we already have 11 picks in this draft. How much more hoarding do we need to do. If anything trade up not back. I honestly have felt all along Miami is at one of the sweet spots in round 1. You don't have to do anything just let the chips falls where they may and you still get a very good plug and play player.

The possibilites of filling needs with available talent is endless at #12

1. Pass Rusher - Jarvis Jones top 10 prospect minus the medical red flag, Bjoern Werner
2. Oline - Warmack and J. Cooper
3. Secondary - Vaccaro, Hayden maybe even Milliner (Shoulder)
4. Weapons - Eifert, Tavon Austin
5. DT - Sheldon Richardson, Star Lotulelei.

Why trade around to outsmart yourself. Theres so many guys who can fill needs at #12

Jason, Brandon Pettigrew, jermaine Gresham, Vernon Davis, Tony Gonzalez... just off the top of my head...

Mark,

Kellen Winslow Jr....

Chiefs will be desperate to trade Albert come Friday - They will have picked Joeckel or Fisher who will immediately start at LT and now you are paying Braden Albert $9 million (the amount of his franchise tender) to pay RT - not to mention Albert has said he has no intention of playing RT - Dolphins will only have to give up 3rd rounder this year or 2nd rounder next year for Albert if they play it cool.

As for paying Albert 8 - 9 million a year - the Dolphins were willing to pay that to Long - it was when he was looking for 10 -12 mill they balked - once the compensation parameters were established with the Rams at 8/9 mill the Dolphins jumped right back into the mix to resign him - so giving Albert (who outplayed Long last year) a 3 year deal at 8 mill per year is not a big deal.

"Rather pay the price with Albert than roll the dice with martin if those are our only two legit options...

Still hate giving it up for Albert. Would'e rather just paid jake. he's missed as many games as Albert."

Mark,

I'm going to trust our coaches & medical staff on this one. If we wanted Jake badly enough we could have franchised him & worked out a deal or beat the Rams offer.

I've seen Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah mentioned alot lately, but am still hoping we don't take him at 12. This is a red flag for me:
Scout's report:
Utah vs Utah State
- Eyes remain in the backfield, aware of what the offense is trying to do
- Looks tired, not getting off the ball and standing up with minimal effort in pass rush
- Hasn’t made nearly the impact in the second half, might be winded, but not exhibiting the burst or drive that he did early on.

Good pick up NeMO, keller was a first pick, heath Miller too I believe...

MASS DOLPHAN....star may have been winded. But we are so deep on the d line that he will only get 20 to 25 snaps a game. He would be a good fit since we have 2 fa next year on the line

As for paying Albert 8 - 9 million a year - the Dolphins were willing to pay that to Long - it was when he was looking for 10 -12 mill they balked - once the compensation parameters were established with the Rams at 8/9 mill the Dolphins jumped right back into the mix to resign him - so giving Albert (who outplayed Long last year) a 3 year deal at 8 mill per year is not a big deal.

That's if you believe the reports. We'll never REALLY know what our offer to Jake was. I'm sorry but I believe if the coaching staff wanted him back & the medical staff signed off on him we would have beat the Rams offer.

Why have we not discussed how awesome it is not to have to play reevis two times a year......

and with the 12th pick the dolphins select...........
the BPA
and a player of need
we must score points to go anywhere

tyler eifert

yes I know, we need a tackle
we need a guard
we need corners
we need pass rush

and next year we will need .....
it never ends you always "need' something

grab the best player at his position, especially if it is a position of need
like the red zone need lol

ireland nail this draft and start off with drafting eifert

Good pick up NeMO, keller was a first pick, heath Miller too I believe...

Mark,

Heath Miller was definitely a first round pick & I think Keller was a late first.

Matty, didn't see it. But it doesn't suprise me. These GMs often outsmart themselves. Just stay where you are and take the BPA. It's what the Steelers do year after year. There's a reason why you earned the high pick, your team stinks and you need the premium talent. Why trade it away for a few maybes??

NeMo, I'm of like mind as you. The players you mentioned are the ones I would target at 12 too including hoping one of the LTs are there of course.

Bobby, still convinced bess will leave, huh? I'm not so sure.

I know I'm in the minority with this, but I think it would be a good move.
Trade down in the draft and select RB E. Lacy.
The best thing that you can do for a young QB is give him a running game. L. Miller and E. Lacy would do that for Tannehill. Power, speed, and pick up the blitz. Give him a little protection when he's scrambling around back there. Then, pick up a Tackle and/or Guard in later rounds. Hey, it could work...

.

Why have we not discussed how awesome it is not to have to play reevis two times a year......

Jethater,

B/c the Jets are irrelevant. If we can't beat the Jets twice this year (even if they had Revis) then we have serious issues as an organization.

mass, Werner over Star? I definitely hope not. Maybe Star can get winded at times, remember all the help he would get in Miami - that line is staccked including get rotated in with Randy and Big Paul. Those three fresh all game would be a nightmare for the interior lines across the league. I have genuine concerns about Werner's athleticism and that school has a long line of DL busts.

And Andy, BINGO!!!! We are in a great spot. Will get excellent value in slot 12. No need to give up any more assets and no pressure to accumulate any more. We are even in then luxury of trading a pick for Albert if that's what the team decides and still not miss a beat.

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