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Important questions: Check my column and this blog

I spent 30 minutes on the phone with the Dolphins Monday and the topic was the now-dead stadium renovation bill.

After that and several other conversations with NFL people, I wrote this column on the topic in today's Miami Herald. It addresses whether the Dolphins will be moving any time soon and whether they'll move eventually. I explain the circumstances and the historical precendent for such a move.

I also ask the question why kill an election? What are the politicians and opponents of the renovations afraid of? Check out the column.

Other questions were left out of the column. Here are some of those questions and answers from Dolphins CEO Mike Dee:

Q: What is the Dolphins reaction to Florida Speaker Will Weatherford refusing to pick up your bill Friday and instead killing it by ending the legislative session?

Dee: "We believed based upon the word of the speaker who told us on four occasions the process would not kill this legislation that if there were votes to move it, it would be allowed to move through the process and ultimately be heard on the floor, so our first reaction was disappointment and shock. How could he have decided his vote in not moving this forward could count more than the collective votes of the legislature. We knew we had the necessary number of votes required to pass it, not to mention the 60,000 votes that had already been cast in Miami-Dade County. Speaker Weatherford decided his vote was the one that mattered and that he wasn’t going to allow the bill to be heard.

"And his comment that there needed to be more discussion or more information, I mean, we’d done everything he asked along the way. We were shocked.

“We relied on the word of the speaker of the house of the state of Florida and he didn’t deliver on his word. If this process had ended with the voters of Miami-Dade County saying this isn’t for us, if this process had ended at the beginning of the session with the Speaker of the House or the Governor or anybody saying this isn’t going to happen, that would have been one way for it to come to an end and we would have had to accept that.

“But when you’re committed to take it to the voters to make the final decision and the guy gives you his word that your bill will be heard and at the end of the day he doesn’t deliver on his word, that’s extremely disappointing.”

Q: To be fair, Weatherford tweeted that your contention that he gave you any assurance is, “untrue.”

Dee: “What reason would we have to take this position? We were assured by him, and by the way, there were people in the room at various points of these four meetings outside of the Dolphins organization and those we pay to help us who heard it as well. I’m sure he’s going to say what he has to say and I can’t tell you what he said to other people, but I can tell you what he said to us. And what he said to us was your bill will be heard. The process will not kill your bill. I can’t deliver votes. But your bill will be heard.”

Q: What is Plan B?

Dee: “Stay the course. There is no Plan B that includes a modernization or investment in the facility. We’ll get back to the business of working hard on the 2013 season and hopefully seeing a turn-around that those on the football side of the organization are working hard on and a team we can be excited about.”

Q: Why doesn't Stephen Ross pay for the project himself?

Dee:  “I think his commitment to this organization already stretches beyond what anyone else has done anywhere else with any sports franchise in North America. In terms of the stadium and team being able to do it, there’s no structure that provides for that and I don’t think there’s any intention to invest from the outside either with equity or limited partners or any other plan that might be contemplated."

Q: Speaker Weatherford will remain in his position next session. Will you go back next year and start the process again?

Dee: “It's too early for us to make that decision at this moment in time.

“I thought this was the moment in time that a non-relocation part of this agreement was an important element of it. Now the future is uncertain beyond Steve’s tenure. Steve has said he has no intention of moving the team time and time again. I believe he stands by that today. But at some point you’re going to have facility tht will pass its 30th birthday without a full-scale modernization because of what Will Weatherford did. And you have to look and see what options are out there for a long-term stadium fix. There’s no Plan B, so I can’t come up with any today.”

Q: Wasn't Weatherford previously considered an ally by the Dolphins? 

Dee: "Absolutely. He had been speaker designate two years ago when we had worked with legislators in Tallahassee at that time. And at that time he was one of the only guys in senior leadership who was completely straight up with me about the prospects we faced at that time. I found him at that moment in time to be a transparent and forthcoming guy. I’ve known him for three years. I’ve seen him between then and know and he was always engaged on our issue, always engaged on the importance of Super Bowls and big events for our economy. 

"He told us again on four occasions that the bill would be heard and we took him at his word. Unfortunately, he didn’t deliver.

Q: Could you have done more to make this process work?

Dee: "We opened our books to the county's independent experts. We offered to repay $120 million of the public funds committed. We took on cost overruns. We removed financing risks that insulated the county from the tourist bubble bursting and we paid for the referendum.

“I don’t know if there’s one thing people asked us to do that we didn’t do.

“It's hard to imagine that we could have done any more than we did this session to align with the requests that were made by Speaker Weatherford and others to make this legislation work. The form of the partnership that was created with Miami-Dade County, the commitments around Super Bowls and big events, the criteria that was laid out by governor Scott that we met with respect to the state’s part of this investment, the endorsement of the hotel association and the major hotels, the Greater Miami Chamber, the numerous organization that were supportive of this.

"I don’t know what could happen that would cause the Speaker to see this differently, but I’m not optimistic irrespective of what may be taking place on the airwaves that he could see it differently. I think he made his choice and we’re going to have to live by it. Unfortunately, he’s going to have to live by it too because it has a long-lasting impact on the future of these kinds of events coming to South Florida."

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..This is a total joke...a sham. Like I said yesterday. I understand a bit about how this money is distributed. On a smaller scale, different state law I'm sure. But similar. Why is this a joke? why is this a sham? Obviously the side that was against the public funding of the stadium has a friend in Tallahasee. How they made friends. I can't say. Ross knows this game..

I said yesterday that when we make our recommendations to the Commissioners(who are elected) they vote. Most of the time, if not all of the time. It is better to have one or more of these commissioners in your favor. Especially for larger projects..

Same goes here..This is why the process is a sham. It is payoffs, it is who you know. The Phins offered to pay back 120 million dollars...120 million!!!!!!! That is a rare, if not never heard of example of goodwill. And one guy shut it down????? Come on..This stinks. No matter how you feel about the outcome..This whole thing stinks.

...Craig M..That is a bit harsh to say don't you think? You could care less if the team moves?? The team we root for are the Miami Dolphins. Not the Portland Dolphins, or the LA Dolphins..All of that changes IMO.. I know the players would be the same.


I grew up a Rams fan..Loved them. I was in Montana when they moved to ST. Louis. Actually have a good friend that played for the Rams(in St. Louis) I couldn't do it anymore. Didn't care. The players felt like traders to me. The same guys I was rooting for the year before. City means everything(IMO).

Of course the team is going nowhere right now. So the idea the team will be moving is all jibber jabber. And you are welcome to your opinion. I just found it a bit harsh.

You're telling me that a politician lied??!?!?

It should have come to a vote whether you agreed or disagreed. After all, this is America. Let the people decide, not some politician.

It was a tourist tax. Anyone complaining about no handouts for billionaires or no new taxes obviously have no idea what they're talking about. And he was willing to repay $120mil & any overruns?

Residents weren't even going to have to foot the bill but, reap the benefits. Attracting Int'l soccer games(WHICH ARE HUGE DRAWS), superbowls, concerts, other sporting events, etc. etc. etc. The countless amount of new jobs & revenues. Stupid, stupid, stupid people!

South Florida just lost out on a ton of money. The stadium at the end of the day may be owned by Ross but, it's for the people!

Imagine if the phins left. The lost jobs, the lost Sales & revenues, etc...There are so many uniformed people in this country & obviously South Florida, that it isn't a surprise to see this Country in the sh*thole it finds itself in.

Some aren't allowed to vote & other blindly vote for incompetency. It is what is is. Deal with it now.

DD,

I'm a Dolphins fan. Doesn't matter to me what city they play in. I have no allegiances to the city of Miami. I pisses me off when I watch a game every Sunday and the stadium is half full and I see a fanbase that couldn't give two sh*ts about the team.

sorry if that upsets people but to me the fans of Miami bring nothing to the team. I just have to look at some of the characters on here and their negative attitude towards the team to get the temperature of how things are down there.

If people don't back their team they'll eventually lose it. I guess it's up to the fans of Miami to change the perception. My guess is they'll continue along the path they have and at some point the team will move. Might be a while but there's a chance.

DD,

Perhaps you're right. Perhaps I will feel differently if they become the LA Dolphins or whatever name they change it too. I didn't become a fan of the team because of the city of Miami. I'm not even a fan of the city of Miami and I've been there a couple of times. I cheer for the logo, for the players and for what used to be a very rich history. Perhaps if the team can get it going on the field again, things might turn around.

And DD, I DO feel bad for fans like bobby12 and YG, who do bleed aqua and orange. I just don't think there's enough people like that down there. I've said for a very long time we have an embarassing fan base. Nothing has changed my opinion of that. I see Miami fans when I go to games in Buffalo and Cleveland and that makes me proud but there's nothing about watching a game from Miami on any given Sunday that makes me proud.....and that makes me sad.

Darryl@ 11:04, you're undoubtably right. Anyone who has read the two opposing statements from Ross/Dee & Weatherford and applied a little thought would conclude that Weatherford changed his mind and then lied about it.

Not surprising that a politician would lie, hell they do it all the time. But why did he change his mind? Simple, he's a crook much like most in Tallahassee....been that way for 150 years.

I think a team that would win on a more consistent basis would put more fans in the seats.

..Craig M.. Yeah my thought is that the team will always be tied to Miami. Losing that IMO would suck. I live about as far away from Miami as any that participate here. I have been there. Gone to Phin games. Stayed at some nice hotels. Got pissed drunk at Max' Club Deuce and had to be asked to leave.(Right?)

Anyway..For me. The 2 are 1 in the same. I would be bummed if they moved. It would change my feeling about the team.

...Have a good one fellas..Mothers Day Caddis hatch on the Yellowstone. You should google this. It is really mother nature at her finest. Dry Flies!!!!!!!!!

DD,

You've made me reconsider my stance. Perhaps you're right....perhaps that was a bit harsh.

I guess I get pissed of with the lack of passion from the fanbase in general.

But yeah, I think you're right. The team playing in some other city, likely with a different name, would feel different. Thanks for making me re-think that one.

cocoa, no doubt someone spoke to his wallet and interests. Straight out of a tv series or movie.

Ross should put some serious money into making sure that Weatherford has to look for a real job after the next election.

DOn't even let this get to a vote Weahterford if you know what's good for ya!!

haha, not even that original ... what a joke .. obviously even I could write the script to this one ..

If the dolphins move to LA, done for a dynasty, kill fans, kill jobs, imagine Miami without football.
Sad very sad, thanks to the politics

Who else is in the running for the Superbowl's being talked about?

Mando - put on the investigating reporter hat and get to the bottom.

Anderson, no doubt he will ... unless the person influencing Ross has deeper pockets which is not likely. Unusual decision by Weatherford ... looks like he chose the wrong side. You always choose the side that has the msot resources.

I hope the NFL help on this

Mark, Darryl too if he's still here....there's a good book, The Swamp by Michael Grunburg that's mostly about the Glades and early attempts to drain it. But it's much more, Flagler pretty much building S Fla. settlers coming to Fla. politics in Tallahassee....really good book.

To Mark in Toronto,
Obviously this has to do with the old crony Norman Brahman and his " payoff " to Weatherford for his uncoming political aspirations. No other reason is warranted for the bill not to have been heard on the floor. Typical of an old geezer with nothing to do but muck up someone elses attempt to improve the stadium as many other owner(s) have done in the past. But, how many would pony up 120 million for the cause, not many, if any at all.

Can't we find a taller table so the Dolphins can get more money for Willie Boy under it??

cocoa, very interesting but there's something you should know about me ... I don't believe in politics or public policy at all. I never vote. It is the most obsolete and truly worthless institution in the world. It is eternally corrupt and unrepairable. It is purely a vehicle that entitles the financial elite in society to achieve their goals without using their own funds.

Most people single out religion and the church as corrupt and outdated however at least there is something redeeming about religion and church if you take it to the base level ... it's a good guide on how to be a citizen of the planet and how to treat each other. nothing redeeming about govt. Nothing redeeming about public policy. It's a disease. It's the main reason I'm self employed. I refuse to hand over 40% of my wages to the govt. Because of my background as a CPA, I use the system to reduce my taxes to the 10-15% range and rather go unemployed and starve than take a full time job and have to foot that tax bill.

If the Dolphins move, the name stays in South Florida. So we can stop with the LA dolphins talk. It would be the LA franchise stealers or something like that.

Hey Armondo, whats with the Republicans. At the state level, Will won't even allow a bill to be voted on. At the national level, they have voted over 30 times to end the Health Care Reform Act. In YOUR town, the Republicans shortened the voting days to SUPPRESS the vote, and caused 6 hour waits- to vote at all. If your parents left Cuba as you said in your article, to be able to vote freely, maybe you and yours should re-think WHO and what party you all vote for. Just Say'n.

I live in San Diego and the Chargers have first dibs on the LA site. No other city in the US has the $$ to build a new stadium in this economy for a team that will use the facility 8X/yr. 30 years? The bolts pllay in 50 year old Qualcomm cesspool over and environmental waste dump. The fins are going nowhere.

Mark,

40%? I thought you guys were up to 55% or so due to the Health Care system. Could be wrong as I only worked for a couple years for a company based in Toronto. The people in Toronto I worked with complained all the time about that. I would too and if we (US) continue down this road, I will be. Or I will be looking to be self employed also.

Mark, I hear ya. Our founding fathers would not recognize this country now. There is a reason why half the population don't vote and it ain't apathy.

Here's what opened my eyes: About 25 yrs. ago I was working in N.C. Big news the Governor was running for senate. Well, it came out that you pretty much had to be a millionaire to even have a shot at a state senate seat.
So, I thought hey, these millionaires who are supposed to represent us....what do they have in common with the average guy who has to get up early, stop at the 7-11 for coffee, grab a bite to eat and work all day? I mean, how can these pampered, chauffered, $200 haircut people even begin to understand the average guy and what he goes thru each and everyday?
Our founding fathers weren't even paid to begin with and then it was just per diem.
OK, I'm raving now....this is a football blog

At times like these, this is where the big name people need to step and say something!! Dan Marino, Don Shula, any big sports player. Even Lebron James.

This is a utter joke!!!!

BLAME YOURSELF FOR THE MIAMI MARLINS MESS, NOT THE DOLPHINS!!

Waaaa waaaa says Ross and Dee.

You know what: SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM.

The stats about jobs and the economy boost. It's fraud. Ross bought this house knowing it was going to need repairs and he should've known that it'd be tough sledding getting public money.

When are you people going to learn? Ross can't do ANYTHING right. Everything this team does ends up in a mess. Why?

The logo, the uniforms, the stadium issues, Harbaugh, Manning, Florida Gator days, night clubs, orange carpets, trashing the fight song, celeb owners, some ill-advised hand-held stadium experience toy for season ticketholders, etc. etc. etc.

And what do Ross and Dee do?
Blame Huizenga.
Blame Parcells.
Blame Sparano.
Blame the politicians.
Blame the "traditionalists" as Luddites for not liking their crummy logo and uniform changes.

Blame, blame, blame.

THE LEVEL OF INCOMPETENCE AT THE TOP OF THIS ORGANIZATION IS STAGGERING!

Revolt people. Revolt until you chase this ownership group of out town.

Many of you will never grasp the fact that Miami has far less American born people than any other NFL town, at least percentage wise. Therefore far far less football fans.

Be it at work or the neighbors, I rarely encounter a die hard fan, some have a very casual interest - so what's up with the fins? - but most could care less and never even think about football.

Texas, no not that high but much too high

This really is a sad situation all around. Weatherford is obviously nothing more then slime, like most politicians. Something obviously has to change in this Country.

And...if you think they're going to move the Dolphins elsewhere...what a joke. What a tired ownership ploy to scare politicians.

Amateurs.

I don't have a dog in the fight but I find it rather surprising that after being rebuffed, Ross will not spend any of the millions of his own money that he had previously allocated for stadium improvments.

Simple question: Why not? Why can't he just skip the roof and add seats to the lower bowl? Why can't he just upgrade the lighting systems so that HiDef T.V. will work better? I think Ross' "whole hog or nothing" attitude smacks of an entitled elitest saying, "It's my game and my rules, if you don't like it, I'm leaving."

First of all, The Jim Harbaugh debacle should have taught Ross, "the cat's never in the bag". So where have we saw this this before?

Secondly, Ross had taken Brahman far to lightly. I smell Brahman all over this!

All of these billionaire types have friends, who have friends, who have friends in high place. Brahman obviously trumped Ross in who's who of most powerful friends.

Ross shouldn't be so much shocked, as he should now know exactly what he's dealing with. If Ross has bigger guns, now would be a great time to begin to display them.

Brahman has proved to Ross, this is going to be a very ugly fight, and never again bring a hand gun to a ballistic missile fight.

Ross is still pouting like a spoiled child?

Whenever I see multi-billionaires asking the city to fund their projects because it will be beneficial to the city over the long run, I remember Joe, Joe Robbie that is. He went pretty much trough the same hoops and jumps that Mr. Ross has gone through and I'm sure spent thousands getting his agenda heard. He, too lost to specious politicians who at first said yes and later bailed out. But Joe was built differently. Joe basically told the politicians to pi_ _ off and took his wallet out and borrowed the rest, a calamitous road no doubt but Old Joe was a ballsey guy. He built his stadium...it may have caused his demise and eventually the family had to sell the treasure that Joe had built but Joe did it. Without political or community tax money. To this day I refer to the stadium the one the Dolphins call home Joe Robbie Stadium. Maybe that's Joe's legacy to our community. If you have a dream and you believe in it, don't let politicians and sycophants stand in your way...just do it!

From Mando's column:

The Colts were gone from Baltimore. (Yss but the Ravens are in)

The Oilers were gone from Houston. (Yes, but the Texans are in)

The Cardinals were gone from St. Louis. (Yes, but hte Rams are in)

The Browns were gone from Cleveland. (Yes, but the Browns are back - not that anyone really cares)

The Rams were gone from Los Angeles. (And the city doesn't really seem to care).

So 4 out of 5 cities that lost a team gained one right back. Now Mando, your point is what?

I can only guess that Jeff Ireland was negotiating with Weatherford and tried to short change him. If this is how the Dolphins handle their business then we have an explanation of why we are not a competitive team on and off the field.
Let's stick to the facts and be glad this happened because:
- Ross will never move the Dolphins.
- Ross has no choice than to improve the stadium, if only to raise season tix sales.
- Stated Super Bowl revenues are ridiculously inflated.
- We do not have lack of tourists in early February.
- NFL is putting most of the $$, not Ross, this will happen even without public funds, and quickly.

Don't cry for me Miami.

Republican Ross doesnt want taxes raised to help the needy. But he wants taxes raised to help the greedy? WTF?

The dolphins name doesn't stay in miami. There will be no team in miami if the phins move. NFL is not about to expand the 32 teams anytime soon. It'll be LA dolphins or whatever team they go to. similar to the rams or raiders moving

What has the 4.4 BILLION DOLLAR man done to deserve charity except lose very friggin year?

When billionaires clash it aint for the faint of heart. It's like 2 super power nations unleashing nukes of destruction all over eachother Brahman has made first strike.

Lets see how Ross eventually responds, with casualties all over the place. Weeping and mourning will not suffice.

Ross, save the Dolphins. SELL THE TEAM TO SOMEONE WITH A CLUE!

Joe Robbie would roll over in his grave if he saw how Ross has destroyed his once proud franchise.

move the franchise? that's a good one. The 8th largest metro area in the country, which by the way loves football (unlilke LA, which could care less), would just get another team like Cleveland and Baltimore have done.

It's a business, and more costly to Ross than the $4.5 million bucks he's spent is the continuing alienation long-time Dolphans have toward this team and ownership group. These guys feel more like carpet-baggers trying to soak us, rather than ownership trying to win for us. Joe Robby is rolling over in his grave.

Ross has to leave not the Dolphins.

THIS STADIUM DEAL BEING REJECTED MAKES IT EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAT THE FINS WIN THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR OR WE COULD LOSE OUR BELOVED DOLPHINS! MAKE NO SECRET ABOUT IT ROSS DID NOT BECOME A BILLIONAIRE WITHOUT KNOWING THE NUMBERS AND WITH THE TEAM NOT WINNING FOR 5 SEASONS,DECLINING ATTENDANCE,AND NOW NO SUPER BOWL, IF THIS CRAP DOES NOT CHANGE HE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO TAKE THE DEAL TO MOVE THE TEAM! FINANCIALLY HE IS NOT GOING TO KEEP LOSING MONEY ON A PRODUCT. WHAT CAN EASILY CHANGE ALL OF THIS IS TO WIN THIS YEAR AND MAKE THE PLAYOFFS AND BEAT GOOD TEAMS AT HOME. THIS WILL BRING THE FANS BACK AND REVENUES WILL GO UP ALSO, THIS EXPLAINS THE DOLPHINS APPROACH THIS OFF SEASON. THERE IS PRESSURE TO DELIVER NOW NOT LATER AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT THIS IS A GOOD THING. NOW COACHES AND PLAYERS KNOW THAT IF YOU DO NOT DO YOUR JOBS YOU ARE GONE. MIKE WALLACE YOU MUST SCORE TOUCHDOWNS DEEP! ALL THE ONE YEAR CONTRACTS MUST PRODUCE AND MUST PRODUCE EARLY OR YOU WILL BE REPLACED. I HOPE PLAYERS LIKE GRIMES,AND MARSHALL,PATTERSON,AND KELLER PERFORMS VERY WELL AND IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE IF NOT SOME WILL BE CUT DURING THE SEASON. THIS TEAM MUST WIN AND WIN EARLY AND MAKE AN IMMEDIATE INTEREST IN THE FINS. THE NATIONAL MEDIA IS WAITING AND WATCHING AND IF THE TEAM FAILS!! HEADS WILL ROLL MAINLY IRELAND EVEN THOUGH HE HAS DONE HIS JOB THIS OFF SEASON.

BoulderPhinfan,

With a name like "Dolphins" it really limits where you can move and have it not look to totally foolish having that team name. Preferably, you want it to a state that has an oceanic coast.

Can you imagine New Mexico, Utah, Montana, or West Virginia "Dolphins"? Unless it's it's an oceanic State move, that owner may be more than happy to leave the name "Dolphins", here in Miami.

4 mill to Ross is like 2 cents to me.

Joe Auer @ 12:10: I agree - the Chargers are the most likely team to move to LA. Dolphins stadium may be bad, but Qualcomm has been languishing a lot longer.
One possibility is that the Chargers can temporarily play at the old, delapidated Rose Bowl or Colesium while the new stadium is under construction. But this only makes sense IF a new stadium is built. The Oilers moved to Tennessee and played in a college stadium their first year while their new stadium was built. In short, I can't imagine the Chargers moving here until a new stadium is guaranteed to be built. And that seems like an indefinite hold as both local politicians and the NFL have put an LA stadium on the back burner for now. But all it takes is one push by someone to get things rolling again.

Mike,

If Joe Robbie were still alive he may have sold the franchise 10yr ago.

Let's make no mistake, Joe was a big time drunk, just a very wealthy one. Even he and Shula weren't exactly "best buds". Remember, on more than one occasion, Joe Robbie had Shula on the brinks of quitting.

Ross said the Dolphins arent moving. End of discussion.


Ross said the Dolphins arent moving. End of discussion.

Posted by: Shula 72 | May 07, 2013 at 01:00 PM


Youre pretty much correct!

Yesterday, I posted this is more twisted word Miami media mess than anything else. Ross turns 73, Friday. he doesn't have heirs in place capable of running the team.

So Dee simply addressed these primary things as why Ross could be selling sometime in the not so distant future. He simply pretty much stated, : A new owner, means new possibilities". End of story.

It was the So Fla media that decided to pick that "end of game" ball up and run with it, calling it "sour grapes".

Well, I would only approve a move if it was to L.A. as that's where I live :)

Seriously though, they need to get their crap together and get this thing upgraded and keep this team where it belongs!

Guys,

The only "Real Story" here is that Ross probably got his ass handed to him by Brahman thru House Speaker Weatherford. End of story.

The rest is only common sense. Ross turns 73yrs old this coming Friday. Of course he'll no longer be owner, sometime in the not so distant future.

Again, end of story. So Fla media strikes again!

Stop quibbling with the underlings. The Speaker is small potatoes here. The Governor is the kne whk campaigned on making Florida more business friendly. Hell, he just reduced taxes on manufacturers (the right thing to do, btw). Governor where are the tax breaks for the tycoons in our state so they can improve and expand tg he facilities where they do business and in turn keep floridians working in florida!

Stop taking our money for wasteful government projects and we will have wealth, superbowls and jobs.


At his age, and longevity as an owner, I can certainly understand why it doesn't even make "economical sense" for Ross to invest nearly half a million of his own money to foot the entire bill of renovations.

The guy's now 73yrs old. father Time could have him "check out" any day or any year now. To offer what he has offered in spite of this is truly remarkable.

Now, on the otherhand, if he were in the prime of his life and ad this fantastic wealth. It would be an entirely different story.

However, at present age, It's no guarantee that Ross is till with us in the land of living at seasons end.

Joe,

The Governor isn't going to touch this mess unless he has connections more powerful than both he and Weatherford. If the Governor pisses off the House speaker, do you realize how much more difficult it will become for the Governor to get his own agenda's passed?

Have you have heard of filibusters? House Speakers usually organize and heads them.

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