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How the trades are playing out for the Dolphins

Within the last year the Dolphins have made three intriguing (some would say controversial) trades that exchanged players for draft picks -- the present in exchange for the future.

Well, the future has arrived in the form of actual people. So now we can look at what the Dolphins got in return for trading Brandon Marshall, Vontae Davis and Davone Bess.

In the spring of 2012, the Dolphins traded Marshall to the Chicago Bears for two third-round draft picks, one in 2012 and one in 2013.

The Dolphins used the pick last year in a trade down with San Diego but the outgrowth of that trade was the selection of tight end Michael Egnew with the 78th overall selection and the selection of receiver B.J. Cunningham with a sixth-round pick, the 183rd overall selection.

This year, Chicago's third rounder was the 82 overall pick.

The Dolphins traded that pick to New Orleans for two fourth-round selections, Nos. 106 and 109 overall. The Dolphins then picked TE Dion Sims with the 106th overall selection.

The Dolphins traded 109th overall selection, a fifth-rouner (146 overall), and a seventh-rounder (224 overall to Green Bay for the 93th overall pick, which is a third rounder. With that pick, the Dolphins selected Will Davis, the cornerback out of  Utah State.

Bottom line for the Marshall trade?

The Dolphins traded Marshall, a fifth-rounder, and a seventh-rounder for Michael Egnew, B.J. Cunningham, Dion Sims and Will Davis.

The Dolphins traded Bess, a staple at the slot receiver position since 2008, plus their fourth-rounder (111 overall) and a seventh-rounder (217 overall) to the Cleveland Browns during draft weekend. The Browns sent Miami a fourth-rounder (104 overall) and a fifth-rounder (164 overall).

The Dolphins used the fourth-round pick on linebacker Jelani Jenkins and the fifth-round pick on running back Mike Gillislee. 

Bottom line fof the Bess trade?

The Dolphins traded Bess, a fourth-rounder and a seventh-rounder for Jelani Jenkins and Mike Gillislee.

The Vontae Davis trade is much easier to follow. The Dolphins traded their former first-round pick to the Colts for a a second-round pick. The trade delivered the 54th overall selection in this draft.

The Dolphins used that selection on another cornerback -- Boise State's Jamar Taylor.

Bottom linne for the Davis trade?

The Dolphins traded Vontae Davis for Jamar Taylor.

It's going to be interesting how all this plays out eventually.

Marshall went to the Pro Bowl in Chicago as he had the year before for the Dolphins. Egnew was a tremendous disappointment as a rookie and B.J. Cunningham was cut last year. It's seemingly up to Sims and Davis to redeem this swap.

But you must remember, the Dolphins got rid of Marshall because he didn't fit their culture. They didn't like him arguing with teammates (Chad Henne, Davis, Igor Olshansky) or coaches. They were concerned about his domestic violence issues.

So, I suppose, they would argue trading Marshall helped team chemistry and whatever talent it brings is a plus. I would say if Marshall, who has not had any reported problems with teammates or the law in Chicago, continues to be a solid citizen for the Bears, this deal will be judged solely on talent. So the onus is on Egnew, Sims and Davis to bring some sort of return for Miami's move because Marshall has so far done that for the Bears.

The Bess trade is interesting. He had an injury issue with the team at the end of last season that seemed to cause friction. He wasn't going to get nearly as many targets this year with the addition of Mike Wallace and Brandon Gibson. So the Dolphins were comfortable not having him.

Of course, that assumes no one is injured this year. Having Bess as a No. 4 wide receiver is a solid fall back option. It certainly provides more certainty than Rishard Matthews, or Jeff Fuller or Armon Binns. So there is a bit of a gamble here.

Meanwhile, the Dolphins got a solid special teams performer and perhaps passing-down contributor in Jenkins. Gillislee? He has the feel of a special teams guy at best. It's going to be hard for him to be on the 53-man roster, in my opinion, based on his play at the University of Florida. He is good injury insurance, however.

The trade I'm most encouraged about, believe it or not, is the Davis for Taylor trade.

People I speak with around the league seem to love the Taylor pick. Jeff Ireland really liked that pick, too. There are whispers within the organization that if Taylor is consistently for the Dolphins what he showed at times at Boise State, he can win a starting job in Miami and be better than Davis.

If that's the case, the Dolphins would be getting good value for the trade -- starting cornerback for starting cornerback. If not?

You know the answer. 

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I believe Bess only started one year but whatever.

I've never seen a RB worse then D Thomas.

"Jarvis Jones at one and keep a 2nd round pick
"

Nah. He was supposed to be a top 3 picks till medicals made him slide #17 th to the stealers. A normal hit could end this guys career early.

And he had a 4.92 sec 40 time at his pro day. I think Solia and Pouncey has a faster 40

W#hat about Ben Gay?

corners, not only his 40 time but all his measurables in general were awful. Guy was supposed to be a supreme athlete and was very mundane. That guy can't touch Jordan's athleticism.

Broward County told Steve Ross no way Jose on charity for his business.

Thomas is not a strong runner...runs too upright and has no lateral agility or burst. So what type of back is he really?

Sims will not be able to get down field at this level...slow off the line ...will be black Fasano. Good possession target in the short passing game and a solid blocker.

Mike G will surplant Thomas. Much better vision...runs tougher and has some wiggle.

We did need to draft a wr with size and speed. Some thing this roster is missing. Boyce would have been a great selection.

Mando,

And Ireland was willing to part with a 3rd round pick but not a 2nd round pick for Albert??? Not sure I understand that decision. If Ireland was willing to pay Albert (don't know if this was REALLY the case) then it sounds ridiculous that he didn't pull the trigger during draft weekend.

"Gillislee? He has the feel of a special teams guy at best. It's going to be hard for him to be on the 53-man roster, in my opion, based on his play at the University of Florida. He is good injury insurance, however."

Mando,

Wrong. He didn't get a chance to play until his Senior season but the kid is a COMPLETE back that can run the football, pass protect, & catch the football. My guess is that Thomas gets hurt again & Gillslee becomes the 3rd down back.

Ireland mistakenly thought Jake Long would sign. He was really unprepared to replace Jake.

"We did need to draft a wr with size and speed. Some thing this roster is missing. Boyce would have been a great selection."

Truth,

Rishard Matthews is both bigger & faster.

Clyde Gates was a real speedster.

So is Armon Binns

Check out a great article & sick breakdown on how Jordan will probably be used: http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1624637-dion-jordan-and-how-the-versitile-defensive-lineman-will-boost-miamis-defense

Don't forget about Thigpen, he should see some more time on the field at WR or RB.

Matthews did look promising last year as well. Also think Binns will contribute. Not worried about WR.

Really only hole right now is T (be it left or right, depending on what they think of JMart). Which isn't so much of a hole as need for upgrade, OL could play tomorrow and be servicable as is.

Posted by: We Have Playmakers | May 02, 2013 at 10:14 AM

What's not to understand? The team came to a decision that a 3rd coupled with the hefty contract was all they were willing to discuss.

I think you meant to say that you don't agree with the decision which is understandable. Glad to see you're at least considering that Ireland wasn't thrilled about paying the guy.

My gut tells me that the Chiefs and Fins were on the same page the whole time. It benefitted both of them for the league to think they were dealing. I wouldn't be surprised if the two teams did this for multiple reasons. Maybe KC wanted to keep him all along and needed someone else to low ball him on the money in hope of him lowering his price? Maybe KC was trying to provoke someone else into bidding.

All I know is either way it benefitted us that the rest of the league thought we were trading up for a LT.

Not trying come up with a conspiracy theory but KC and Miami were way too friendly in terms of what was being leaked to the media for this to have been on the up and up. I really think they were putting on a show.

The Truth,

Sims is sort of a lumbering TE when he gets downfield but take this into account, Sims 10 yard split which is hands down the most important stat when considering a TEs abilty to get off the line and get into a break was 3rd best among TEs at 1.60. It was better then Eifert(1.66), Ertz(1.62), Jordan Reed(1.63).

Sims 40 was also 4.75 which was also impressive for a kid who weighed in at the combine 6'5 262. Ran faster then Ertz ran a 4.76. Jordan Reed who is only 6'3 236 ran 4.72.

So just some perspective on Sims. He's a great athlete for his size. A former All State Basketball player. He showed real discipline getting his weight down to 262 from 280 at Michigan State. Many times we've seen guys show no discipline at all and care about the combine.

Not sure what kind of player he becomes but he's very intriguing to me.

Here's the link again: http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1624637-dion-jordan-and-how-the-versitile-defensive-lineman-will-boost-miamis-defense

WHP, Boyce ran a 4.38, doubt Matthews can top that. he is solidly built and showed flashes of being able to make some long catches so I am encouraged by the Nevada product.

ARMANDO:

OF CAUSE MARSHALL FOUGHT WITH THE TEAM.

THEY're A BUNCH OF LOSERS.

THERE's ALWAYS AN SUPER ALPHA MALE IN A ROOM FULL OF ALPHAS.

IF HE WANTS TO WIN AND THE TEAM LOST A GAME AND THEY're JOKING I WOULD BE MAD TOO.

NOT SAYING THAT's WHAT HAPPENED BUT I CAN't SEE ANYTHING GOOD COMING FROM THAT TRADE.

IT's FUNNY HOW IT's A TEAM SPORT BUT YOU AND YOUR
MINI ME's THINK 1 PLAYER CAN CHANGE A TEAM

SO MARSHALL DIDN't HELP US GET OVER THE TOP?

DAVIS DIDN't HELP US GET OVER THE TOP?

WELL I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THE SAME FOR LONG? INCOGNITO? IF YOU CAN SAY THAT WHAT ABOUT BESS?

HEY WE NEED A NEW WATER BOY BECAUSE HE DIDN't HELP US GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

THE TEAM FAILED. PERIOD.

DADSMITH:

HE WAS A CANCER?

WHY CAUSE HE DOESN't TOLARATE PEOPLE S#it?

ANYWHERE YOU GO WHERE THERE ARE ALPHA MALES THERE HAS TO BE A SUPER ALPHA.

MOST OF YOU GUYS WOULDN't UNDERSTAND.

IT's THAT GUY YOU SEE WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH NO WORRY IN THE WORLD IN THAT PLACE YOU LOCK YOUR DOORS TO GO THROUGH OR NEVER GO THROUGH.

WHEN I WAS IN MIAMI I WENT TO LINCOLN MALL AND I HAD A GOOD TIME CAUSE I WAS WITH MY WIFE BUT THAT's NOT MY CUP OF TEA.

I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE HOOD's AT.

THAT's HOW YOU TELL A CITY FOR WHAT IT IS.

MIAMI IS NOT WHAT MOST OF YOU THINK IT IS.

SAME AS NEW YORK.

THAT's HOW YOU TELL A TEAM FOR WHAT IT IS.

THE QB IS THE MAIN STREET. CUTE, SWEET, NICE. EVERY CITY HAS ONE. THAT's WHERE YOU TRY TO KEEP THE PEOPLE THAT DON't KNOW BETTER.

BUT MOST CITIES ARE POOR AND HAVE A HUGE POPULATION THAT IS ROUGH AND DOWN FOR WHATEVER.
THAT's WHAT YOUR TEAM SHOULD BE.

THE MLK BLVD.
MALCOLM X BLVD.

THAT SHOULD BE THE MAKE OF YOUR TEAM.

I WAS JUSTIN CREDIBLE NOW I SEE I AM THE

SPEED AND FOOTBALL SPEED ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS

Wow... You're something alright

That article gave me wood

If we can afford a starter at RT and another tackle that can play either side we may have enough. Martin needs to earn the opportunity in camp so we need someone to push him. We need that all over the roster. I like that the Dolphins have picked up a developmental QB undrafted. Don't stand pat at any position.

I'm still feeling like we may see Soliai move out this off-season. Mainly because of his contract ending after this season, him not being a prototypical DT for a 4-3, and us having to afford either him or Starks next season. I think we can give up some of our run stopping to generate more pass rush. Odrick should move inside permanently IMO in a 4-3 alignment.

Still lots of change to be made in year two of our rebuild.

MARSHALL
BOLDIN
FITZ
CRABTREE
WELKER
BRYANT
NICKS
COLSTON

"SLOW" BUT FOOTBALL FAST.


"The Dolphins traded Marshall, a fifth-rounder, and a seventh-rounder for Michael Egnew, B.J. Cunningham, Dion Sims and Will Davis."

You need to take the price tags into account. The money Miami saved with Marshall went to sign Wallace. When you factor in Wallace, this trade is a win with the drafts as a bonus.

"The Dolphins traded Bess, a fourth-rounder and a seventh-rounder for Jelani Jenkins and Mike Gillislee."

#4 WR for our future (perhaps near future) starting WLB and RB. Win.

"The Dolphins traded Vontae Davis for Jamar Taylor."

Davis never became the hoped for #1 CB. Taylor has a definite shot.

Now that had to be the most super horseshit post ever and that is saying something around here. My eyes feel dirty for reading it.

He Traded Marsha for 2 TEs. But Marsha Was Replaced By Wallace.

The Bess And Davis Trade are already On the Fins Side.

And on The Marsha Trade. You Have To Look At How Many Coaches and QBs He Gets Fired. They Already Fired 1 Coach. Cutler Might Not Get An Extension. Philbin Didn't Want That Headache On His Team.

Don't The Bears Need A LB? What About Dansby? That Way Dansby And Marsha Can Undermine The Coaches.

Mark in T - Dude i read it 3 times. I think he's spot on and proved his worth at pick #3

Toronto,

agreed.

Marshall is the god of WRs that have never made the playoffs and had three coaches fired. he's the best at that ... no doubt. That Chicago offense was awful last year with the franchise WR and QB combo... worse than ours with a rookie QB and one.5 wrs.

As for Marshall...
Bears the year before Marshall would have made the playoffs if not for just about every playmaker getting hurt.
So next year they add BM, what happens? They don't make the playoffs with a healthly roster. Surely a game changer. (Guys good, but for whatever reason doesn't seem to help a TEAM, unless it is a fantasy team).

ARMANDO:

LAST THING.

YOU ARE RIGHT MARSHALL COULDN't DO IT.

WE SHOULDN't HAVE EXPECTED HIM TO BE ABLE TOO.

WE SHOULDN't HAVE GOTTEN RID OF MARSHALL WE SHOULD OF GOT HIM HELP ON THE OTHER SIDE.

JULIO JONES
DEZ BRYANT
MIKE WALLACE
OR WHO EVER ELSE.

WE DIDN't. WE AS A TEAM FAILED HIM.

Davis had to leave for not showing up in shape routinely. He never thought he would lose his role because there was no one to replace him so he didn't care. He set a horrible example for the rookies. Philbin saw right through Davis, he didn't have what it takes to be a winner.

Brandon Narshall is a HOF potential receiver.

None of this matters now. Are we going to win THIS year??? That's all I give a sh#t about.

I'm really surprised Armando feels Giselle is a "special teams" player?? I think this kid will push Thomas for his spot. I would like to know where he comes up with that??

"Brandon Narshall is a HOF potential receiver."

Truth,

HOF psycho & HOF a@@hole too.

WE DIDN't. WE AS A TEAM FAILED HIM.

Posted by: SUPER ALPHA | May 02, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Huh? An elite WR shouldn't need another elite guy on the other side to reach his potential. It is what it is. Wrong place and wrong time. Too bad he couldn't have been here with Pennington because those two may have been special together.

I truly regret getting on board on that trade because I was a huge hater of Marshall. I justified it with the idea that he was elite and didn't cost a 1st. Dude hits women and lies. He's a head case that's bound to hurt Chicago this year. Good luck to their new coach if things start off rocky. I could see that getting really ugly this year.

WHP I think we will win this season and contend for a wild-card. Our schedule is pretty tough and I think we have three December games, away, in cold weather. Tough way to end the season. If Philbin wants to coach his team on facing adversity and owning their own house he should start right away.

L. Miller Is 5'10" 218lbs. And Runs A 4.3.

I Can Give You The Rest Of His Info.

But That Alone Should Tell You He Is Better Put Together Than D. Thomas Or M. Gillislee.

D. Thomas 6'1" 230lbs 4.5-40

M. Gillislee 5'11" 208lbs 4.5-40

Plus, L. Miller Averaged 5.0 Yds A Carry Behind The Same Line Reggie And D. Thomas Ran. The Same O-Line. Same Holes.

They franchized Starks, that tells me this is his last year with us. Odrick played as a tackle in college not an end. When we played a 3-4 defense he had to stop the run and then last year he was an end and had to rush the passer. Move him inside and Dion Johnson is our other DE next year. Start moving them around this year to get a good look at their ability.

Opti I see Starks staying based on the franchise tag. In the Fins minds he was too valuable to let go. He's a more versatile DT than Soliai and he fits a 4-3 alignment perfectly. Also he's the veteran anchor and stays healthy.

Andy you DO LOVE your stats.....LOL.

Darkoak, we play Pitt and Buffalo in Dec on road, we play Pats and the jets in Dec at home in Miami

Justin, did marshall win you a fantasy league championship or something because in reality every team he goes to ends up worse after he gets there.

Matthews Is Better Than Boyce.

Matthews Comes Out Of That D. Boston /O. Gadsden /A. Boldin Mold. Matthews Is The Most Physical WR We Have.

Boyce got Drafted By The Pats. Have You Seen The Pats Record Drafting Wrs?

The Odds Are Stacked Against Him. If He Becomes An OK Wr He Would've Overachieved As A Pats WR.

BB Is Even Worst Than M. Millen Drafting WRs.

Belichick Has Missed On Wrs In Every Round Of The Draft.

Any time you can take the attitudes of Marshall and Davis off the team and Marshall's contract, it's a good thing. What Armando hasn't mentioned is that if Marshall's $50 million was on the team, there's not a chance they would have gone out and signed Wallace in FA. So I'd like to add Wallace to the equation too. One of the reason's for trading Marshall and Davis was to free money up for other people.

I'm looking for odds that Marshall will blow up again real soon in Chicago. It's coming. The guy's a ticking time bomb. Must be a coincidence that none of his team's have ever made the playoffs.

Your move BMarsh....

5-11

Nice breakdown Mando. Some of u guys should stop giving him grief about every blog post. Hes reporting information and doing a nice job breaking it down. If u dont like what he posts stay the hell off the blog and let the people who enjoy the information enjoy it without a bunch of whining haters

I meant Dion Jordan

BobbyD, I think I meant the week 13-16 stretch of games so away for Jets, Steelers, Bills and home for Pats. That will be make or break time for our team this season.

Justin Credible comes down and visits his parents in CORAL GABLES, has TEA with his wife at Lincoln Mall yet wanted to go to the hood?" A Miami Coroners wet dream LMAO!!!

Jury is still out on Irelands trades until we see how it plays out on the field. What we do know thus far. Thomas has been a disaster. Egnew another disaster unless he really becomes a football player this year. The rest still have an imcomplete grade until the rookies step on the field. So Ireland gets a hall pass for now but anybody thinking he is a genuis based on these trades needs to have their head examined

tvegas,

How is a third round pick who doesn't play a 'disaster'? Seriously? There are many players in the league who didn't make their mark in their first year in the league. Would you consider Jenkins WR that SF took in the FIRST round last year a 'disaster'? How about Vernon Gholston as the 6th overall pick for the Jets a few years ago, a 'disaster'?

I'm not sure how you can call a third round pick, who's had one year in the league, a 'disaster'. But whatever, bud....it's your call.

Craig,

Mando Only Likes To Point Out Stuff That Help His Argument.

Funny How Everyone Was Crying. Ireland Can't Find WRs We Are Screwed Without Marsha!

Marsha! Marsha! Marsha!

What Happened? Ireland Restocked The WR Position For The 2nd Time.

For As Much As You Clowns Hate. Only Shula Had Better WRs Than Ireland. Everyone Else In between Sucked! JJ? Wanstache? Sabana? CC?

A little sense of the over-dramatics there tvegas....

Maybe a 'disappointment' to date, but 'disaster' speaks to a whole other level.

Craig the tape most of us saw of Egnew (Hard Knocks) was not flattering. I'm willing to give him an off-season to shape up but if he looks as lost in camp this year as he did last year and doesn't give maximum effort every snap he should be cut. I wonder what his college team did coach him on. He didn't even know he should get down field and block on running plays.

Craig,

Stats and numbers don't lie bro. Particualrly a RB. They are what they are.

The Cubs are doing a bigger renovation then the Dolphins and arent asking the taxpayers for one dime. Ross already changed the logo to extract money from fans on gear.

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