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How the trades are playing out for the Dolphins

Within the last year the Dolphins have made three intriguing (some would say controversial) trades that exchanged players for draft picks -- the present in exchange for the future.

Well, the future has arrived in the form of actual people. So now we can look at what the Dolphins got in return for trading Brandon Marshall, Vontae Davis and Davone Bess.

In the spring of 2012, the Dolphins traded Marshall to the Chicago Bears for two third-round draft picks, one in 2012 and one in 2013.

The Dolphins used the pick last year in a trade down with San Diego but the outgrowth of that trade was the selection of tight end Michael Egnew with the 78th overall selection and the selection of receiver B.J. Cunningham with a sixth-round pick, the 183rd overall selection.

This year, Chicago's third rounder was the 82 overall pick.

The Dolphins traded that pick to New Orleans for two fourth-round selections, Nos. 106 and 109 overall. The Dolphins then picked TE Dion Sims with the 106th overall selection.

The Dolphins traded 109th overall selection, a fifth-rouner (146 overall), and a seventh-rounder (224 overall to Green Bay for the 93th overall pick, which is a third rounder. With that pick, the Dolphins selected Will Davis, the cornerback out of  Utah State.

Bottom line for the Marshall trade?

The Dolphins traded Marshall, a fifth-rounder, and a seventh-rounder for Michael Egnew, B.J. Cunningham, Dion Sims and Will Davis.

The Dolphins traded Bess, a staple at the slot receiver position since 2008, plus their fourth-rounder (111 overall) and a seventh-rounder (217 overall) to the Cleveland Browns during draft weekend. The Browns sent Miami a fourth-rounder (104 overall) and a fifth-rounder (164 overall).

The Dolphins used the fourth-round pick on linebacker Jelani Jenkins and the fifth-round pick on running back Mike Gillislee. 

Bottom line fof the Bess trade?

The Dolphins traded Bess, a fourth-rounder and a seventh-rounder for Jelani Jenkins and Mike Gillislee.

The Vontae Davis trade is much easier to follow. The Dolphins traded their former first-round pick to the Colts for a a second-round pick. The trade delivered the 54th overall selection in this draft.

The Dolphins used that selection on another cornerback -- Boise State's Jamar Taylor.

Bottom linne for the Davis trade?

The Dolphins traded Vontae Davis for Jamar Taylor.

It's going to be interesting how all this plays out eventually.

Marshall went to the Pro Bowl in Chicago as he had the year before for the Dolphins. Egnew was a tremendous disappointment as a rookie and B.J. Cunningham was cut last year. It's seemingly up to Sims and Davis to redeem this swap.

But you must remember, the Dolphins got rid of Marshall because he didn't fit their culture. They didn't like him arguing with teammates (Chad Henne, Davis, Igor Olshansky) or coaches. They were concerned about his domestic violence issues.

So, I suppose, they would argue trading Marshall helped team chemistry and whatever talent it brings is a plus. I would say if Marshall, who has not had any reported problems with teammates or the law in Chicago, continues to be a solid citizen for the Bears, this deal will be judged solely on talent. So the onus is on Egnew, Sims and Davis to bring some sort of return for Miami's move because Marshall has so far done that for the Bears.

The Bess trade is interesting. He had an injury issue with the team at the end of last season that seemed to cause friction. He wasn't going to get nearly as many targets this year with the addition of Mike Wallace and Brandon Gibson. So the Dolphins were comfortable not having him.

Of course, that assumes no one is injured this year. Having Bess as a No. 4 wide receiver is a solid fall back option. It certainly provides more certainty than Rishard Matthews, or Jeff Fuller or Armon Binns. So there is a bit of a gamble here.

Meanwhile, the Dolphins got a solid special teams performer and perhaps passing-down contributor in Jenkins. Gillislee? He has the feel of a special teams guy at best. It's going to be hard for him to be on the 53-man roster, in my opinion, based on his play at the University of Florida. He is good injury insurance, however.

The trade I'm most encouraged about, believe it or not, is the Davis for Taylor trade.

People I speak with around the league seem to love the Taylor pick. Jeff Ireland really liked that pick, too. There are whispers within the organization that if Taylor is consistently for the Dolphins what he showed at times at Boise State, he can win a starting job in Miami and be better than Davis.

If that's the case, the Dolphins would be getting good value for the trade -- starting cornerback for starting cornerback. If not?

You know the answer. 

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Wait until you see Gillislee on the playing field. Youre not going to notice hardly a difference at all between his and Miller's burst and speed.

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone 4Ever | May 02, 2013 at 01:30 PM
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YG, I believe you are absolutely correct. I think Gillislee had a bad day or was nursing a Hammy or something. He has been clocked in the 4.4's.
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Dashi,

I agree with you as well. But I think you're taking it a bit too far when you say Miller has a gear that Gillislee doesn't.

In my opinion, Miller has a slight edge talent-wise. Then you have to add in his superior size and speed. So for me, Miller is DEFINITELY the netter of the two.

I'm just saying, don't cut Gillislee short. He has a burst and an overdrive as well.

Ultimately, it's good to be debating just how talented these two guys are. I think they make up 2/3rds of what will shortly be a fantastic back field.

Reggie Who.....?

ALOCO.

WHEN WILL YOU MAKE LOVE FOR THE:

GARAGE MECHANC
CORNBEEF COACH
DEPUTY DOG
THE CELLAR

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

@ Mark..LOL....and just how drunk was he at the time???....

YG...

I AM NOT LIKE YOU ,I DON'T SELL MY SOUL IN THE NAME OF COMPROMISE ........


I HAVE PRINCIPALS .

Well you know ALoco.....what they say about imitation being the highest form of flattery....

ALOCO,

DID YOU ALSO HAVE "PRINCIPALS" IN HIGH SCHOOL?

GREAT, BECAUSE THE REST OF THE WORLD CONSIDERS THEMSELVES TO HAVE "PRINCIPLES"

((BUFFET OF WTF'S?))

One thing for sure is we got robbed for Marshall. Say what you want about his attitude but hes one of the better recievers in the league and not only did they get low value in picks back for him the picks arent and wont ever make that trade even. Call it what it was a robbery by the Bears.

We were out drinking so yeah ... definitely over the legal limit, hahaa

ODIN IS AWAKE ............... MAY GOD BLESS HIM .

TELL YG A STORY ABOUT THIS CRAP CALLED (( RING OF HONOR ))..PLEASE .

YG = spellcheck.....


CraigM,

I believe dolfans will be excited about Dion Sims once we see him catch the football. At 6'5 265lbs, this kid is going to be an absolute load to bring down.

I believe he'll remind us of Gronk in this manner. Tough to bring down is on his scouting report.

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone 4Ever | May 02, 2013 at 01:34 PM
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YG and Craig,

The really good thing about Sims will be his ability when it comes to pay action passes.

When he comes into the game, defense will rightfully suspect run and tighten up the box.

This is where Sims really, REALLY excels. In man to man, he toasts Linebackers when they peek on the play action fake.

In zones he's incredibly smart in finding the soft spots.

After that, he has great hands, uses his body to shield defenders and is a LOAD to bring down. Especially when he gets up to speed.

At MSU he was often dragging two linebackers and a safety 5 and 10 yards downfield after initial contact.

YG..


THE MAIN THING YOU GOT WHAT I MEAN ....

ALOCO,

I WAS VERY ACCUSTOMED TO "PRINCIPALS" AS FAR BACK AS GRADE SCHOOL. I LOVED GETTING INTO TROUBLE. I WAS VERY MISCHIEVOUS AS A SMALL CHILD.

...and that's not entirely true YG...


...Jabba the Hut didn't have any.....and he liked it that way......

buffet of robberies??

SCHOOL DAYS ARE THE BEST DAYS OF YOUR LIFES,BEFOR YOU BECAME DEVIL MINDED AND CORUPT ...

WHY I FEEL MARK EATS A LOT OF VEGGIE AND ODINA LOT OF MEAT AND YG A LOT OF FISH ..

ALoco...I though you were going to say....BEFORE YOU THOUGHT YOURSELF SMARTER THAN THE TEACHER !!!!

ALOCO,

CORRECT! I LOVE LOTS AND LOTS OF PROTIEN. ITS BRAIN FOOD!

BUSTER,

TEACHERS IN GENRAL ARE VERY SMART PEOPLE .DUE TO THEIR READINGS ,BUT THEY DON'T LIKE TO SHOW IT.IT'S NOT THEIR STYLE ...

BUT IDIOTS LIKE ODIN AND DASHI ALWAYS TRY TO SHOW OTHERS THAT THEY R SMARTER ..EVEN ABOUT (( RING OF HON OR )) CRAP...

ALOCO,

BEEF IS HORRIBLE TO THE DIGESTIVE SYSTEM. WHILE MAKING THE BODY SLUGGLISH AND INTRUDUCING CANCEROGINS.

ITS GOOD IN SMALL AMOUNTS ONLY. BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE SOME VERY HEALTHY FATS.

YG.. DO YOU GET THE SAME FEELING THAT CRAIG M LIKES TO EAT A LOT OF CRUSTY BREAD ?


The more I think about it, the more I suspect Will Davis maybe allowed to compete for Clemons fs spot.

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone 4Ever | May 02, 2013 at 02:16 PM
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1. Clemons is the STRONG SAFETY, has been since his second season.

2. Will Davis is very RAW at CB, but supremely talented. I don't think they will even consider a position change for him.

Guys like Grimes and Marshall are here for today.

Coyle plans on developing Taylor and Davis into our future starting CB's.

I could be wrong, it's just my own personal opinion. I think Don Jones will get a look-see at Strong Safety. But not Davis.

BUFFET OF FAT

YG...you do mean carcinogens , right??

CARCINOGENS

YG....BASED ON YOUR KNOWELEDGE OFMANY THING BESIDE FOOTBALL ,I PICKED FISH FOR YOU ........

ODIN, ON THE OTHER HAND WITH HIS LIMITED KNOWLEDGE,I PICKED FOR HIM ,PORK AND CHICKEN,,,

odin, our boy Taylor. I jumped off my barstool on the ship on the weekend when I saw tht pick. Thought of you, man. Everyone around me thought I was fukked. They were right.

Yah...thought so....

oDIN,

PLEASE AWAKEN AND FOLLOW. lAST SEASON cOYLETOLD US THAT HIS DEFENSE MAKES NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN FS AND SS.

THX, GREATLY APPRECIATED.

ALoco...crusty bread is good for you......like that "everything" bread.....

BUSTER,

I GOT THE FEELING YOU LOVE TO EAT FISH ....

LOL, I was hitting "shift bar" with my caps on, during my last post.

YG,

We so play a type of 2 deep where both safeties have similar responsibilities.

But we also have a more standard type with a FS and a SS.

Reshad Jones has been our Free Safety almost exclusively.

I know a lot of people still get that mixed up. I think it tracts back to Georgia when Jones was filling in at Strong Safety.

FWIW.............

Why is it that I can remember 2 days ago better than 2 minutes ago?

2 days from now, I'll remember two minutes ago far better than I do right now. LOL...

Yah, ALoco....I hit that sushi big time....

.....it's the smell that drives me crazy.......

I HAVE TO GO BACK TO WORK ,WHERE THEY CAN'T OPRATE WITHOUT MY MIND.....

I WISH I WAS LIKE YG WHO'S FATHER HAD A HANDY MAN COMPANY ...LATER..

I bet JJ is cheap as all hell. Only thing that helped him in the Pros was his knowledge of the good College Players from UM and other strong Schools.

No Odin,

Coyle said that his defense doesn't have a fs or ss distinction at all. You be confused trying to over analyze it.

A fish is a fish, is a fish. No matter how evolutionists tell us bird derived from fish.

Even though one flies thru the air, and the other flies thru water. A fish is not a bird. Neither a bird is a fish.

JJ? Bet he's as frugal as an Amish shoemaker....

BUSTER...

NO ONE USING THAT WORD (( FRUGAL )) ANY MORE...SINCE 1995 ..LATERRRRRRRR

@ ALoco...sorry man...lolololol laters

BUT IDIOTS LIKE ODIN AND DASHI ALWAYS TRY TO SHOW OTHERS THAT THEY R SMARTER ..EVEN ABOUT (( RING OF HON OR )) CRAP...

Posted by: ALoco | May 02, 2013 at 03:22 PM
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Ah.....except you are the one talking "((RING OF HONOR)) CRAP...

This coming from the IDIOT that keeps forgetting to change his sign in names back and forth when he "((TALKINK TO SULF))'.

He got caught "Just A" arguing away with HIMSELF 4 times in the past two days.

((BUFFETT OF BUFFOONERY))


Actually...evolutionists now theorize that birds are the descendants of the dinosaurs....

Odin,

Evolutionists are catching up though. According to the "Good Book", all life sprang from the sea with only one exception, a creature called man.

God formed man from the "dust of the earth".

ALoco got pissed. I wonder why?

Idk YG...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_fish

Okay...well maybe he'll make another Deon Sanders, and have him get drafted by the Dolphins some day in the future.....that would end all this speculative talk about who might be the starting CB.....

Buster,

Soon evolutionists will theorize that "Oreo Cookies" are the result of biracial marriages.

oh sure, on Internet you can tell the emotions of the various Posters... and more.

Buster,

"Theories" are only damn lies, educated scientists are allowed to tell.


odin, our boy Taylor. I jumped off my barstool on the ship on the weekend when I saw tht pick. Thought of you, man. Everyone around me thought I was fukked. They were right.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | May 02, 2013 at 03:25 PM
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Awwwwwww...........How Nice! And I thought of you too!

SERIOUSLY-LOL!

That's Two for me in our Secondary. I had Reshad Jones pegged too.

I'm not sure how much it means(don't tell anyone Mark, but the only other times I was right about who we drafted was Henne and Long in 2008-Shhhhhhhhhhh!).

Hope these latest two turns out a lot Better!

ummmmmm....maybe not....

Buster,

If youre not an educated scientist, you don't get to tell damn lies called theories.

You only get to tell damn lies called opinions.


ODIN IS AWAKE ............... MAY GOD BLESS HIM .

TELL YG A STORY ABOUT THIS CRAP CALLED (( RING OF HONOR ))..PLEASE .

Posted by: ALoco | May 02, 2013 at 03:12 PM
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Ok, I'll tell a story. But first, will you promise to pretend you're Cuban Menaces Girlfriend? What was it you used to call yourself?

The Princess of Pineapples or something?

Anywhoo.......pretend you're her, because I'm always better when I'm "Talking Shyt" to the Be-Atches!!!!

So, what you are saying is the revolution of the Earth around the Sun, the properties of light and sound, the effects of gravity and other scientific THEORIES are deceiving opinions?

I don't really want to debate this, and so I won't, but you can't be that naive......I just know you can't.....

HA! Me too..


oDIN,

PLEASE AWAKEN AND FOLLOW. lAST SEASON cOYLETOLD US THAT HIS DEFENSE MAKES NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN FS AND SS.

THX, GREATLY APPRECIATED.

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone 4Ever | May 02, 2013 at 03:27 PM
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Yeah, OK Champ. I suspect your problem lies with comprehension and context.

In our Two Deep there is not much distinction if any.

However, we do not simply play Two Deep 100% of the time.

H-E-L-L-O.....................?

There are tons of instances where Jones plays Free Safety and Clemons Strong. I don't care how you might have misunderstood Coyles comment(s), it's simply a Fact Of Life.

Digging yourself in deeper on this one will only make you look like.......well......Like Our Good Ole YG!!!!

ALoco, how are you and your boyfriend MARIO getting along?

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