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Coaches digest the scrimmage buffet

The Dolphins coaching staff will meet today and go through Monday's night's scrimmage to see which players took steps forward and which stumbled as they prepare for three more days of practice starting Wednesday before they head to Canton, Ohio this weekend for the Hall of Fame game.

One of the issues the staff must manage is the wide receiver situation.

Brian Hartline and Mike Wallace were held out of the scrimmage. Hartline seemed to tweak a lower leg muscle, possibly a calf, in the warmups and drills prior to the scrimmage. Wallace was held out for an undetermined issue, although signs point to him also nursing some sort of minor injury. (Remember, the Dolphins do not comment on injuries and coach Joe Philbin didn't even address the media after the scrimmage. He addressed the crowd after many of them had already walked out. And he gave the media relations department two quotes about the scrimmage, neither of which addressed Wallace's absence. This, by the way, is not typical of NFL teams. Head coachess speak after practices and scrimmages and preseason games and regular season games and playoff games and Super Bowls. Win or lose).

At any rate, Philbin is expected to explain the Wallace absence Wednesday in some fashion because he is also not available to the media today -- a day off for the team.

It's really a shame about Wallace. No, I'm not too worried about the player's injury if that is what kept him out. Again, if he's injured it's minor. I'm sad for the franchise that is trying to increase a lagging season-ticket base and a growing disconnect from local fans. Last night the club had 22,876 interested fans in the stands -- more than the Patriots had at Gillette Stadium for a practice on the same night. All of those fans are potential season-ticket customers. I'm certain they all expected to see Ryan Tannehill (3 TD passes), Dion Jordan (one sack and one pressure), Cameron Wake and Mike Wallace.

And Wallace was only there to roam the sideline in his uniform but out of action. Shame.

That's not anyone's fault. It's just tough luck for the organization.

As to the rest of the wide receiver corps: Even as the team engages in talks about adding a body -- Laurent Robinson and Austin Collie are on the radar among others -- there will no doubt be a longer look at undrafted free agent acquisition Chad Bumphis.

Bumphis had two catches for 41 yards on Monday night. One of those was a 28-yard catch and run down the right sideline that showed both burst and field awareness. Bumphis has been mired on third and fourth teams so far in camp. If the scrimmage performance doesn't earn him more reps and perhaps some with the second team, it certainly puts him on the radar pior to the HOF game.

Bumphis wasn't the only back-of-the-roster type who caught the eyes of coaches:

AJ Francis, another undrafted rookie, was very active. He collected a sack. He batted a pass at the line of scrimmage. The Maryland kid showed up.

Will Davis, who frankly had struggled during practices, came through with a huge interception in the end zone during a goal line situation. (By the way, the Dolphins scored one of the TDs in goal line on  a pass and another run TD was questionable whether the runner got in although it was awarded. What's the point? I don't know).

The Dolphins are putting a huge emphasis on turnovers this season. Joe Philbin wants to be plus-16 this year as a starting point. The club was minus-10 last year. That means more turnovers for the defense. It's a great way to get in good graces.

And on offense a turnover is a good way to make a place in the doghouse.

Today, safety Kelcie McCray, Davis, defensive end Olivier Vernon, and Francis are in good graces. Mcray returned his interception of a Matt Moore pass 50 yards for a TD. Vernon had a sack and caused a fumble that Randy Starks recovered. Francis batted a pass that offered another interception opportunity. And, of course, Davis not only saved a touchdown but got the ball back with his interception.

By the way, this turnover emphasis is real. Consider what defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle said:

“We constantly look for better ways of teaching, from little things like we’ve got footballs hanging from the walls in every defensive meeting room that they have to go in, when they walk in and out of the meeting rooms, they’re stripping and punching, just reminders," he said.

" We’ve shown them tape from around the league of teams that cause the most fumbles, how they were caused, what situations we may have had an opportunity to strip the ball and we didn’t.  We’ve talked about sacks, sack fumbles, we got a lot of sacks, but we didn’t get a lot of sack fumbles.  We like to believe there were opportunities at times last year to get a fumble as well as a sack, so we’ve showed them players throughout the league who have done that consistently and it’s an awareness factor. 

"So we’ve looked at the teams that create the most fumbles last year, it was New England, Chicago, and Cincinnati, we’ve studied every one of those fumbles, we’ve showed them those things on tape, and hopefully it will start to translate onto our play."

Conversely, losing turnovers is a no-no. So who's in the doghouse today?

Mike Gillislee was good against second- and third-team competition running the ball. He rushed for 21 yards on six carries. But he had a fumble that he lost. And he dropped a pass that would have gone for a first down.

Quarterbacks Moore and Pat Devlin also made key mistakes that turned otherwise mediocre nights into a problem. Neither threw a TD pass. Neither looked exceedingly comfortable. Both threw interceptions that cost his team TDs. Devlin's interception obviously was in the end zone. And Moore's interception was returned for a TD. Moore also had a fumble so two turnovers for him. Yuck.

Ryan Tannehill, meanwhile, played a lot better than he's been practicing. He threw three touchdowns without and interception and that was without his two top wide receivers available. He completed 8 of 11 passes for 72 yards. His throw to Dustin Keller for a TD was a thing of beauty in that it was placed where only the TE could catch it for the score.

You know that mantra Philbin has about everyone is fighting for a job and there are no starters? It's doesn't apply at QB.

 

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Thanks for the update Armando.

The live blog was fun last night guys, wish more regulars were able to join.

12-4

I'll say it again, losing Binns isn't as minor as some people in here make it out to be. The guy was tearing it up at camp and had become a favorite target of our qbs. He also was very good in the red zone before getting hurt with a knack for getting open. The team wouldn't be looking at Robinson or Collie if they didn't think it was a big deal, they would just promote a younger guy.

But I wonder if they will put talks on hold until they see Bumphis in the HOF game.

over analysis and complaints.

9-7 if the o-line clears up some issues. I'm hoping to see the starters figured out by the 2nd preseason game so they get some solid reps together for the opener.

Lovely early evening in Santorini Greece. Trying my best to stay in touch.

1. I don't blame Philbin for not talking to mando or kelly since they are a couple of clowns. mando is also exceedingly negative on the tea. Go work for the Jets, they'll talk to you.

2. Mando says Tannehill has playe better than he's practiced but the man did't throw an interception in 5 days leading up to the scrimmage and has practiced very well according to james Walker at ESPN. Again james talks about this, Mando talks about a hat a center wore a month ago.

3. Anyway, sounds like camp is going well from what I could gather(not from here anyway). Stating offense is coming along, defensive playmakers are being playmakers and OV and ODrick are having grat camps. By the way, I beleive a certain clown in YG tried to hammer home that Odrick couldn't play DT when I said that tending Starks was wasted money since Odrick was there ... idiots will be wrong I guess... way to be YG.

4. McNutt is going to make this team. Guy is a physical speciman and is making plays. Teams will always give this kind of guy a chance. Can't teach size and speed...

Just read Patterson is seriously pushing Marshall for the starting role opposite Grimes. That's awesome news, can't have enough good corners. Love the depth building there.

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Darkoak,

I Know the hate is coming on Lacy.

Not making excuses, but Lacy did have a foot Injury. Doubt that he did a lot of running. And Speed was never really his game. He looks just a little overweight. With Pads. Without Pads He looks Normal.

Lacy has Huge Thighs. Plus, he is about 40lbs bigger than any RB on the GB roster. So he will Look HUGE compared to those little backs.

Posted by: Dashi | July 30, 2013 at 10:55 AM

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Kris,

Exactly.

I don't think Devlin is Better than T-Hill. I know T-Hill is the Franchise.

MY POINT IS DEVLIN IS BETTER THAN MATT MOORE.

(Pardon the Bold, Just making sure everyone sees my point clearly.)

The reason I compare Devlin and M&M is to show the clowns that Moore isn't even in the same League as T-Hill.

The Only QB competition on this team is for #2, Not #1.

And the Clowns wanting J.Manziel 1st Rd are the same ones that were crying we should've drafted Barkley At #8 Instead of T-Hill. Asinine.

Manziel will be a 3rd Round Pick at Best in 2014. And The way his stock is dropping Manziel Might Not Even get Drafted.

Posted by: Dashi | July 30, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Phins78,

Thanks for knowing that my comment wasn't directed at you.

Mark what's up! Lucky s.o.b. enjoy Greece bruddah.

And oh yeah, a little harsh on Armando with #1 but #2 made me lol.

About #3, the guy is wrong 9 times out of 10 and I believe he is still insisting that Thomas will start over Miller. HA

Everyone here knows Dashi only has a problem with 1 Animal here. I get along with everyone just fine. No need to attack anyone here for no apparent reason.

I'm happy about all of the good news from the scrimmage.

P-78 I disagree with you about the secondary I think that and our O-line are our weakest depts.

I see a lot of strength in passing game, D-line, LBs.

Whichever RB emerges I'm fine with whether it is Miller-Thomas-Gilligan.

A good scrimmage and good progress overall!

Fraud,

Miller doesn't Fumble.

Philbin Hates when his RBs Fumble.

Plus, Miller is the Fastest RB on the Team by a Wide Margin.

Like the QB competition, The other guys are battling for #2.

D.Thomas
Thigpen
Gray
Gilligan

Dashi agreed on Manziel but disagree on Devlin.

Although Moore reminds me of Joey Blue Skies (Harrington) I believe he is better than Devlin for two main reasons.

#1. Devlin CAN NOT make every NFL throw and Moore can. I have read more than once, and I have seen this with my own eyes in preseason. His long ball is 10 to 15 yards shorter than his peers and the intermediate to long out throws flutter and die allowing corners to jump on the ball for ints so you can take those plays out of the playbook when he's in. Also his short slants are routinely thrown behind his wr's and I suspect he has trouble reading the angle in order to lead his receiver.
#2 Moore has far more experience as a starter and can read nfl defenses better than Devlin.

That's why imo Moore may have a competition but in the coaches minds it is not serious. I also believe after last nights scrimmage the team is seriously considering upgrading the position in next years draft (developmental with real potential). I like Devlin and he's a team player, I hope he proves me wrong. But everything I've watched so far leads me to these opinions on him.

Mark, if I were you, I'd try to get free of that bondage Mando has on you that forces you to come here even when on vacation to complain about what?

Mando.

Feel free to go whine on another blog because your comments don't add anything here.

Armando, Little Hands also fumbled, not just threw a pick. M&M had 2 Turnovers. Fumbles count as Turnovers also. And M&M has always had trouble gripping the ball.

Excellent post. Mando, tell us more about this Francis guy.

LOL Scourt. Couldn't agree more.

That's cool ETF. I don't think they're our best unit. But Patterson did start and play pretty well for us last year at the end. Marshall was playing really well before his drop off the past two practices. Grimes is money, no worries there unless he gets injured.

If Davis keeps progressing and Taylor lives up to his potential, along with Wilson playing the nickle, I think they are a good unit. Reshad Jones and Grimes as probowlers. That's not too shabby for any defensive unit

Phins78,

Last season Devlins arm was a little suspect. But according to O.Kelly Devlins Arm has gotten stronger.

I also wouldn't say Moore understands the game better. He has more Pro Experience, but he doesn't have more Knowledge.

Accuracy? Devlin is way more Accurate. Devlin is way more Accurate. He completed 68% of his passes in College. And he is constantly completing More Passes Than M&M.
And my last thing on Moore

Moore's Career Pro Stats

33TD
26 INTs
24 Fumbles

He turns the ball over way to much.

Dashi Matt Moore drives me nuts with the fumbles. I don't think it has anything to do with hand size though. I don't have huge hands and I NEVER fumbled. It's about concentration when you are in contact. As soon as you feel that contact you have to throw everything out of the window, protection now becomes the play. You have to forget about getting a yard or freeing your hand to make a throw. You protect the rock and make sure you have another shot.

Moore always leaves the ball on his side and a little away from him. He also always looks like he's still surveying what is going on with his receivers as the pressure is contacting him, always a second late to protect. Tebow is a bad qb but this is the one skill he is excellent at. The guy knows how to protect the ball and I don't think he has the biggest hands either.

Oh well, that's why he's a back up! ;)

Yes, turnovers are his curse. But ouch, did you hear about Devlin against the reserves last night? Hopefully he's not learning that turnover trait from Moore! Ha

Phins78,

I'm with you though. Next year they need to draft a more athletic developmental QB. A T-Hill Type. An Athletic QB that can Throw.

Cut Moore and use his money to sign some of our own Free Agents.

I hate not knowing what is going on with Wallace. According to many Pitt season ticket holders he was a cnacer in the locker room, and was a pre-madonna. I am praying he is not doing that here and finding himself in the dog house already.

Have to go and be productive. Have a great day people.

Armando, Little Hands also fumbled, not just threw a pick. M&M had 2 Turnovers. Fumbles count as Turnovers also. And M&M has always had trouble gripping the ball.

Posted by: Dashi | July 30, 2013 at 11:22 am

I agree but I think it isn't just hand size as much as it is his style of play. Moore doesn't exactly make quick decisions with the football. He is a gambler who likes to move around behind the line waiting for coverages to breakdown so he can throw the long ball. When you have your eyes downfield it's easy to lose awareness of what is going on around you.

I saw all I needed to from Moore when his fumble gave the game back to the Cowboys in Sparano's final year.

Phins78,

Moore has little hands.

It matters for a QB.

For other positions not as much. They carry the ball different.

I realized it was his hands, when he even loses the football going thru the motion, or if the football is wet he loses grip real easy.

Notice Moore always has to grip the Ball with 2 hands. And even then he still fumbles sometime.

I heard that was the main reason M&M went Undrafted his hands.

Moore has skill but Turning the Ball Over is a No-No for Philbin.

Mando, I really enjoyed your updates last night. Thanks for doing that as I wasn't able to get out to the stadium.

And thanks for the analysis. Have a great year!

armando, thanx 4 continuing to bash the teams areas where they suxx and don't listen to the out of touch out of towner homers who bash u.
lol

Also, Devlin thru an INT on a Great Play by W.Davis on the last play of scrimmage.

Moore threw a 50yd Pick 6 to our #4 Safety. And Moore fumbled Once.

Devlin Threw 19 Passes.

Moore Threw 11 Passes.

Just saying.

And we all know who the Coaches Favorite is.

HOF game. Can't wait!!

and don't worry. as soon as the other teams d is not wearing a phinz jersey and thenne is not wearing a red one,
the int's mixxed paxxes batted paxxes + 3 + outs will come in bunches.
lol

Ross will never have a winning season IMO. Keeping the incompetent Ireland as GM, and being too cheap to pay guys like Vonta Leach, Jake Long, Matt Flynn, and Reggie Bush or even to fix his own stadium has doomed the franchise.

MM is great for exactly what he does, coming into the game when you need him in a pinch...
He is an average at best starter even when he practices lights out...in a regular starter role...his game falls apart
REALLY good/great starters know how to and can beat the scouting report...MM...not so much...

Mark, I hope you are enjoying Greece. I agree with a lot of the stuff you said. Walker seems to give the most unbiased opinion in his camp coverage.

Mando, enjoyed the live blog last night. Try and be a bit more positive.

Poizen, I would not worry about Wallace. Pitt fans were all for the guy when he was on their team kicking ass. Now that he is gone they are all just sour that he left.

They didn't let him leave because they wanted to, he is gone cause their cap situation sucks.

Mike Dee bailed the sinking ship just in time...

Good point Nemo, Just tainted form our bad drafts/bad luck. So easy to get worried when things are looking up.. lol

I'm more concerned right now with the O-line. Only Martin and Clabo seem fixed at the Tackle positions. Everything else seems to be in flux. We know Jerry will probably be out at least 2 to 4 weeks, but I haven't heard anything about Lance Louis' rehab. We've had O-line problems for years and we need to correct that this year. That's where everything starts!

Why would Wallace be out there and run flies and get winded because he knows the QB will never connect on the long ball and the fans would start booing.?

IT MAKES SENSE THAT MARK IS IN GREEKS. HE LOVES THEIR CULTURE, PARTICULARLY THE PART ABOUT PICKING UP THE SOAP IN THE MENS HOT BATHS.

lol,no worries,the phinz have 5 ps games to fix a problem they've had since 2004.

Poizen, I hear you. I'm going into this season with a lot of optimism though. Hopefully they look good in the hall of game game. Only 5 days to go !

The only possible win before the bye week is at Cleveland and that wont be easy. So a 1-4 start at best and probably 4-7 after the bye for a 5-11 season.
Yawn.

You know that mantra Philbin has about everyone is fighting for a job and there are no starters? It's doesn't apply at QB

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Did Mando just admit that T-Sizzle is the man???

I'm picking up what his sub-conscious is putting down...

Matt Moore will be starting after the bye week. He is considerably better then TanneHenne.

Fake Aloco @ 1155???

well...I think so...everything is spelled and punctuated...correctly!!!

Happy to hear positive reviews about Tannehill coming from you Mando. I know your telling it to us straight. Can't wait for this Sunday! Go Dolphins!

..I don't know why the team would have given Moore the contract they did if they thought he would be the third string quarterback. But..If he is outplayed by Devlin this camp. I'm sure Moore becomes an attractive trade option for other teams in need of a quarterback.

Now I'm not saying this is what will happen. Personally I would much have the comfort of Matt Moore over the unknown of a Pat Devlin. But if the coaches evaluations say that Devlin is the guy. If he shows them something that would make them come to that conclusion. I would certainly be on board.

We are talking about the backup. This is not peanuts. There are good odds that at some point this season. The backup will have to play some. I trust Matt Moore. I do not trust Devlin. I know he is a pro now, that his college days are behind him. But if you want to know why I think Devlin went undrafted. Watch the second half of the 2010 FCS National Championship game. That should tell you a little bit.

Just wanted to let you know that I'm really disappointed over the failure to reach an agreement with Vonta Leach. I'm not sure we ever truly had a chance (rumors have been flying that Vonta's agent may/may not have been using this to up Baltimore's offer all along) but I hate these elusive carrots that sit out in front of us each and every year. I can't tell you how impressed I've been with Vonta as a player and how significant of a contribution he was to the Raven running game. Oh well. I'm done with sulking and moving on to root for the players that are a part of the ball club. Pleased that we're already looking sharp.

Tracy, I agree with you in being a bit concerned about the o-line, but I think it will be ok.

I think the team needs to leave Pouncey at center. This guy got screwed out of a probowl bid at the position last year. Clabo and Martin hold the tackles, although I will say I'm a bit concerned about Martin.

Cogs can play either guard spot. He played LG the past 3 years I think and RG with the Rams and with us for a year I think before that.

That leaves the last spot which I see as a competition. Jerry, Dallas Thomas, Samuda and my personal favorite Lance Louis will fight for that spot.

The best man should win the next 2 or 3 weeks. Then they'll have another 3-4 weeks to work together and gel during the preseason and before the opener.

I have some of the same concerns myself guys, I think its just too early to panic.

Wallace = damaged goods

..I disagree that the team "has to keep" Pouncey at center. Let me start by saying I think he will end up playing center. But!!! Samuda is the wild card. If he proves he can hold down the center position. It gives the team flexibility to make a choice. Now I think this becomes difficult because IMO if there is going to be change. It needs to happen pretty quick. There probably isn't enough time to evaluate Samuda at center under the confines of a game situation where the switch would or could be made. But lets say it happens. Say the team sees enough. Would it make the offensive line a better unit to have Pouncey at Guard, if Samuda proves he can play center? Or would they stay status quo and not rock the boat?

I see Mando, doesn't mention Dion Jordan, who also had a sack and pressured the QB's on at least one other occasion. Not suprising since the other day he stated that he hadn't seen any 'burst' from the rookie, so he's already jumping on the bust bandwagon. You talk about every player, but don't mention our first round pick, Mando your bias is showing.

..Krillian. What was the value of having Leach on the team if the team is putting no value in the FB position? I do not know this as the facts. Just an observation from what the stories have been from camp.

So..The team had an opportunity to pay a vet to get better at a position. A position that may not pay much oof a factor for the price they would have had to pay. Would you pay 2 grand for an awesome flat screen in your guest bedroom that has no satellite, or cable feed? Probably not. That is sort of the reason I think we passed. A good player. But no value for how me may have used him.

TO PHILBIN, DO NOT PLAY HARTLINE OR WALLACE THE ENTIRE PRE SEASON.

ITS NOT WORTH IT, YOU DONT DRIVE YOUR FERRARI TO THE GROCERY STORE.

TOO MANY PLAYERS DROPPING LIKE FLIES

Ya mofos sure do pack it in around lunch time...
Maybe it's just when I show up...It's like going to a party and that one crew walks in...you all look at each other...and nod in agreement that it's time to go...

Did Ellerby play this practice? I did not hear his name once...

Wheeler out played Ellerbee X's 10

Jordan was mentioned. Learn to read.

Interesting that some reports gave him two sacks while most had him with one sack. Either way, nice start.

That is wha I figured by the notes,

Great scrimmage for Tannehill. Im sure going 8-11 72yds 3tds 0 int equals at least somewhere in 130's in qbr.

Mark In Toronto,

Based on last season there were questions about whether Odrick could play dt on a full time basis. Exactly why Starks was franchised and Vaughn was sign. What Odrick is doing now is a great testament to his offseason dedication and commitment to being better this season.

Seems the injury bug-a-boo's hitting all nfl camps. No use crying in our sour milk. Life gives you injuries, make lemonade.

Dashi, don't worry, I believe Gillislee makes the team. Gillislee is a Dolphin. Don't hate him because of a silly Gillislee/Lacy feud. As a fan, once a player becomes a Dolphin, everything else goes out the window. If Lacy were a Dolphin, I wouldn't root for him any less.

Wheeler out played Ellerbee X's 10

Posted by: Coyle | July 30, 2013 at 12:50 PM

First, you would have to know what each player's defensive assignment was to make this assertion. 2ndly, you would have to have been at the scrimmage.

Lastly, but not least, exactly what number are multiplying 10 by?

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