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Dolphins camp Day Two in the books

I think I've figured it out. It took me a couple of practices and talking to a couple of people, but it is clear to me why the Dolphins applied the stiff-arm to fullback Vonta Leach late last week.

It's just that the Dolphins are going to use a one-back look with four pass-catchers (three receivers and a tight end) or an I-formation look with the tight end as the lead blocker look going forward. And none of that leaves a lot of room for a fullback on the roster.

It makes sense, really.

When you consider the Dolphins have three starting-caliber and high priced receivers in Mike Wallace, Brian Hartline and Brandon Gibson on the team, it makes sense to get them on the field as much as possible. When you consider Dustin Keller is an experienced and solid tight end and the Dolphins are heavily invested in the position with Charles Clay, Dion Sims, Kyle Miller and Michael Egnew, it makes sense to have an extra roster spot not occupied by a fullback and instead used on an extra tight end.

Voila, mystery solved.

So at the end of this camp, it is possible the Dolphins can keep either an extra tight end, or perhaps use the spot elsewhere such as cornerback or linebacker or receiver, and not feel the pinch of being lessened because the fullback spot has become marginalized, anyway.

 I remind you the Dolphins still have two fullbacks on the roster: Jorvorskie Lane and Evan Rodriguez. But neither has gotten even one snap with the first or second-team offense in two days of camp that I've noticed. Both are in a deserate fight to merely make the team. I don't like their chances.

Now, I know at least a couple of you scoffed when you read Michael Egnew's name among the tight ends the Dolphins have invested in. Obviously, he was a disappointment last year. But today he had a relatively good day.

He caught a handful of passes (four actually) and that included a grab from Matt Moore between two defenders in tight coverage on a seam route that stretched 17 yards. It almost brought a tear to my eyes to witness. Almost.

Some other practice highlights:

Big men go one-on-one

I love the one-on-one pass rush drills when offensive and defensive lineman match wits, girth and physical attributes. Todays highlights?

Second-year defensive end Olivier Vernon, who is working with the starting unit and doing well in my opinion, schooled new left tackle Jonathan Martin on an inside move. Martin allowed his feet to get tangled. It was ugly.

Not surprisingly, veteran Randy Starks abused rookie Brian Thomas, a free agent out of Texas A&M, and he didn't even look like he was going full speed.

The Dolphins have an interesting situation working at defensive tackle. Jared Odrick has been impressive at the position which he's been playing exclusively so far in camp -- no defensive end work -- and so it could be Soliai and Starks on early downs and then Starks and Odrick on passing downs. Obviously, whichever player doesn't start will get plenty of playing time in rotation.

It's also possible Odrick might still be used at defensive end but, as I said, he hasn't worked at end yet in camp.

Devlin works with 2s

QB Pat Devlin got some second-team snaps today. Matt Moore worked some with the third-stringers. It was interesting perhaps only to me because I recall that Devlin has a reputation for being among coach Joe Philbin's favorite players.

I'm not saying Devlin is challenging Moore for the backup role. Moore's experienced, his ability to enter a game and win it (against the Jets last year) and his salary preclude such a sudden shift to Devlin. But it was interesting to see. Moore, by the way, had a good day of practice and was probably the best QB on the field today.

Yes, it is available

The read option is in the playbook. All I'm saying on that. 

Talking RBs

Although Lamar Miller is the presumed starting running back, I was told today to assume nothing about that. Yes, Miller is getting the first-team snaps. But Daniel Thomas is also getting some of those. And as a club source told me, the team believes Thomas is ready for a big season if he can stay healthy. Yes, big if, I know. Just sharing what I'm told.

Tannehill-Wallace update

My column in today's newspaper examined the need for quarterback Ryan Tannehill and Mike Wallace to get in synch so that Miami's popgun offense of a year ago might show more explosiveness. Check the column to see what the players said about their work on Day One.

Today, I hate to report, we're still looking for the long TD bomb from the QB to the deep threat receiver. Has yet to happen. Tannehill and Wallace did connect on three sideline out routes. There was even a slant pass completed. But the bomb?

Not yet.

Kicking competition

Today was Caleb Sturgis day as the Dolphins apparently are alternating kicking days between he and Dan Carpenter. Today, Sturgis got only three attempts. He made two but missed on a 47-yarder.

[NOTE: The Dolphins do not allow updates to the blog during the major parts of practice thus I update on a real-time basis on twitter. So if you're looking for the latest on what is happening at practice, follow me on twitter @ArmandoSalguero].

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OK, 17, I accept it. Doesn't mean we like it if he is on injured reserve. Every Fan has the right to see their Players in action, especially the top pick.

Craig M,

You we're also clamoring to draft guys like Mingo, who will be nfl olb's, to play DE for us. You had ZERO faith in Vernon developing into a star this season/

I hope Vernon shows you up BIG TIME this year. He already seems on the right path after day 2 of camp. LOL...

If Martin is having trouble with Vernon now how will he do against Barkevious Mingo in game 1?

We don't give a shi- about Ireland's mysterious designs that will be carried out next year or after. We expect our top pick to be playing fully this Year and be able to enjoy him or not. We are in command here, always have been. We just won't go the Stadium.

Posted by: ExposingTheFraud | July 22, 2013 at 02:21 PM


Its yet top be determined. However, I have confidence Martin holds his own this season.

A lot depends on the offensive situations we'll be in. 3rd and longs are difficult for any offense. If as an offense, we can limit our 3rd and longs this season, we should be fairly ok.

It's those 3rd and long situations where defenders really pin back their ears and come after the qb.

Oscar,

Like you, Im a little leery of Jordan at present. Last thing this organization needs is another very high 1st rd bust.

Im not projecting Jordan bust, and hope he becomes a beast. Just at #3 overall, like you said, fans want to see him right away.

This blog couldn't wait to get their hands on the mouth CRAIG M!!!

Me?? I'm glab to be talking football again!!

Posted by: ExposingTheFraud | July 22, 2013 at 02:21 PM


It also wouldn't surprise me in the least if we become a run to set up the pass offense. Defenses will be a little hesitant to place 7-8 in the run box with Wallace on the field.

I expect Keller and Sims to be the primary te's. We can run 2 Te's in a 4 receiver set on running downs. On playaction both can quickly get downfield and catch the football.

I do believe we have the offensive personnel that will make it difficult for defenses to overly focus on pass or run. If they do, we have the personnel to make them pay. If they commit to stop one thing, they freely give us another.

Everyone, this is a gentle reminder that this blog is to engage in Dolphins conversation with other fans -- most of them Fins fans, but also some fans of other teams.

Feel free to voice your opinions and defend them. This is NOT a forum for attacking others and using lewd language or profanities.

Consider this the preseason reminder of the old rules. If anyone breaks those rules, you'll be banned. Simple as that.

Hell, in 3rd and short, we can even put 3 te's on the field(Keller, Sims, Egnew) and 1 wr. Egew can be split out wide creating a mismatch on a cb.

3rd and short doesn't have to necessarily become a running play.

Posted by: Armando Salguero | July 22, 2013 at 02:41 PM


Armando has spoken. Did you hear that trolls who always accuse everyone else of being trolls, when you yourselves are the greatest blog trolls?

Many of the attacks come when buddies of trolls come in to wrongly defend without knowing the full situations.

If they would only read back a little and see that it was their troll buddy who initiated the attack.

..Pretty cool interview with Cogs on NFl Radio at the top of this last hour. He is a good interview for sure. He had some interesting things to say, while toeing the line of nothing.

All these guys talk in cliché. So trying to decode the message can be frustrating. He mentioned the need for an identity. That the offense last year failed to find one. He talked about being able to really get into the playbook, unlike last year. Having Tannehill take on the leadership role for a full offseason being a huge benefit to the offense, as there were huge questions about who that leader was last camp.

Incognito talked about how effortless Clabo plays RT. And how he and Martin have a LOT of work to do on the left side. How the team has fully bought into the system..The whole team. And how having the extra week of work in preparation for the Hall of Fame game is a blessing.

A lot more was said. You can probablt go listen to it if you want..Very good 15 minutes of Dolphin info.

Yet, of course, they would never confront their troll buddies about their trollish behavior. Hence, the blog falls into the battle of terrible 2's.

Myself, Im content to only talk football. Then some of the really clever trolls will "mask" their attack purposely trying to lure you into confrontation.

They at times mask their trollish attempts, yet they cleverly know exactly what they are doing. If left up to me, I much prefer a football blog where the talk is about football period. Not, a cant be nice because others wont let you blogus crap stool.

Posted by: DarrylDunphy | July 22, 2013 at 02:54 PM


DD,

Very interesting you should mention this. Security of the left side greatly depends on how well the LG and LT work together. Both need top be on the same page at all times.

More often than not, it's miscommunication that leads to untimely sacks. Although losing the one on one battle can lead to them too. Communication s extremely key.

Whether its your blogging buddy or not. We all need to take responsibility for not fanning the flames of trollish behavior. Taking your buddies side doesnt put out the trollish flames, it greatly enhances it.

We all have to make up our minds, do we or don't we, want a nice productive football blog. Taking sides only makes it worse. It only creates a cafeteria food fight atmosphere.

You cant claim you want a "ice clean blog" when fully contributing to its opposite.

I wouldn't get worked up about anything after day two,,,,,,,,Things will be different in 4 weeks.

...LF17

Cogs isn't going to throw anyone under the bus. Gannon definitely gave him opportunities. Cogs handled the interview like an old vet..I found it telling he talked about Martin and his relationship on the left side. It is early in camp, he made it abundantly clear that there were 1000's of reps to go. But the group(O-line) would need as many as possible. He talked about how he thought Martin is a better left tackle then right tackle..Or it is his more natural position.

The interesting point he made..Or how I heard it. And this goes to your post @ 2:41...When he was talking identity. He was talking about establishing the run, to set up the pass. He says so in fact. He sighted games from last year when the offense couldn't do this, and were turned into a 1 trick passing pony...The difference this year...we have the ponies to take the top of the D.

Tannehill will be benched at the bye week after starting 1-4.

Posted by: DarrylDunphy | July 22, 2013 at 03:09 PM


Excellent post, I fully agree!

DD,

Its also great we have 4 te's, I you want to count Clay as a te, that are legit seam threats. No more day of Fasano.

Fasano wasn't entirely pathetic, imo, just wasn't a seamthreat.

WOW! IT'S AMAZING HOW JUST BECAUSE WALLACE AND T-HILL FAILED TO CONNECT DEEP ON THE FIRST DAY OF CAMP THAT IT IS SOME HOW A CONCERN? GTFOH! THIS IS WHY YOU PRACTICE,AND PRACTICE,AND PRACTICE.(FORGET THE ALAN IVERSON PHRASE) MAYBE HAD HE TOOK PRACTICE MORE SERIOUS HE WOULD NOT BE BROKE AND OUT OF THE LEAGUE FOR 4 YEARS AND ON CRACK) MY POINT IS DON'T WORRY WALLACE IS SERIOUS ABOUT GETTING IN THE WORK AND GETTING IT DOWN TO PERFECTION. WE DOLPHIN FANS NEED NOT WORRY THIS GUY AND T-HILL WILL LIGHT UP THE SCOREBOARD AND WILL OPEN THIS OFFENSE UP BECAUSE IF YOU DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR WALLACE WITH COVERAGE IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME TIL WALLACE BEATS YOU DEEP. I AGREE THAT T-HILL NEEDS A POWERFUL RUNNING GAME ! WHAT QB DOESN'T ? BUT WHAT WALLACE BRINGS TO THIS TEAM IS LESS DEFENDERS IN THE BOX, LESS DOUBLE TEAMING WR AND GOD FORBID IF KELLER RETURNS TO FORM I DO NOT SEE MANY TEAMS SHUTTING THIS OFFENSE DOWN. YES! THERE WILL SOME POOR GAMES BUT THE OFFENSE WE HAVE ENDURED SINCE MARINO LEFT IS OVER! TOO MANY WEAPONS. AS A DC PICK YOUR PS! DO YOU WANT TO DOUBLE WALLACE AND MATCH HARTLINE ONE/ONE ? PROBABLY! THEN THAT LEAVES STILL ONLY 7 IN THE BOX AND KELLER IS HELL AGAINST LB AND WEAK SS. THE 3 WR LOOK WILL FORCE TEAMS TO ACTUALLY ONLY HAVE 6 IN THE BOX BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN YOU MUST ACCOUNT FOR WALLACE GOING DEEP. IF THIS RUNNING GAME TAKES OFF MILLER WILL BREAK A LOT OF LONG RUNS THIS YEAR! DIDN'T THIS TEAM BREAK LONG RUNS LAST YEAR EVEN WITH TEAMS STACKING THE BOX? YES THEY DID! SO DON'T LISTEN AND PANIC ABOUT WHAT MANDO IS SAYING!! HE SECRETLY HOPES IT FAILS SO HIS JETS HAVE A CHANCE! SORRY BUT THE FINS SHOULD SWEEP BOTH JETS/BILLS AND SPLIT WITH NE! 5-1 IN AFC EAST NO WORST THAN 4-2. THIS FOOTBALL TEAM HAS THE TALENT TO WIN 10/11 GAMES THIS YEAR BARRING ANY MAJOR INJURIES!! THE DEEP BALL WILL BE THERE. GO DOLPHINS!!

go finsssssssssssss

As long as I can come here and have discussions with my friends and I can continue to expose the fraud and get drunk from titme to time it does not matter what the Phins do on the field.

I like this blog more than I like the team.

dashi makes a few good points but more often than not i just don't bother reading his posts because of the capitalization of the 1st letter of every word. it really makes it harder to read!!!

Tannehill is stinking it up just like last year.

great insight fin77 considering they havent done anything

Armando....

I like that you come in here from time to time and lay down the law....

but let's be honest....

its ALL pretty much one person...YG...or the dude with the profanity in his sign in name currently....

get rid of that guy....and this blog will pretty much police itself.....and there will be no need for childish scolding...

I love this blog

All the reports are that Tanny looks terrible. When is it time to switch to Matt Moore?

ODIN IS WORSE THEN YG

I GUESS WHEN THEY DRAFTED JORDAN THEY WERE LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR. IRELANDS A MORON!

Funny How Mando Says Be Cool To Everyone. And The One Person In Denial Is Going On And On Like He Isn't The Problem. When He Was Being Condescending To Craig M Just A Few Post Before.

We All Have Problems With 1 Poster. Oscar's Son, The Clown Named YG.

Everyone Else Can Have A Good Discussion Without Turning This Into A Personal Attack Fest. With Zero Football Talk.

Mando, You Said The Same Thing Last Season. Yet, YG Has Gotten Worst. Will You Please Ban YG If By The Start Of The Regular Season He Is Still Doing The Same Thing He Always Does.

(Now Before You Post The Poetry I Write To You YG. NOTICE I ONLY WRITE TO YOU IN THAT MANNER. CAUSE YOU ATTACK DASHI FIRST. NO ONE ELSE JUST YOU. WHILE YOU ATTACK EVERYONE.)

Dashi....

Thanks for the words in defense of my family yesterday after YG showed how truly low-class he is....but in all honesty.....

There is NOTHING YG can say that would bother me in the least....

I have ZERO respect for him...and when you have NO RESPECT for a person or thing.....


it doesn't really matter what they say.....

I would like to heard: Tannehill goes 10 of 10 with 10 TD and all of them to Wallace and all was deep throws, but that's not the fact. In his first throw he goes deep, and over throw Wallace, but please, was the first attempt at the training camp. Now I read that he connect short to Wallace, well may be Tannehill and Wallace begins with short routes and and progressively increasing the distance. My point is, we have to be patient to a limit, of course. I don't concern too much even in they don't connect deep in the first game of the regular season. But sill, we have other options at QB position, Tannehill is no a rookie any more (although I think this is due to consider his rookie season) because the dolphins are in win now mode.

Has anyone actually ever seen Tanne throw deep and connect?

I said it back in April, I'll say it again. Jordan will be a bust. I will not flip, I will not post under any other name. I he does great (I hope he does)I'll be the first to admit I was wrong - I want to be wrong on this because I love my team. But I've been watching football too long to think he will be great.
Now his poor shoulder hurts too much to play. Athletic freak? Who cares? There's been hundreds of athletic freaks who suck at football.

If the players are not even in pads then did Vernon really get by Martin?
Did Martin really manhandle Vernon?
How much effort are they really putting into this?

Has anyone actually ever seen Tanne throw deep and connect?

Posted by: ExposingTheFraud | July 22, 2013 at 04:54 PM

The last season to Marlon Moore and to Brian Hartline and in a very elegant way. But if your point is that there are a few times, you are correct, and I agree with you.

Has anyone actually ever seen Tanne throw deep and connect?

Posted by: ExposingTheFraud | July 22, 2013 at 04:54 PM

The last season to Marlon Moore and to Brian Hartline and in a very elegant way. But if your point is that there are a few times, you are correct, and I agree with you.
Posted by: Adrian Solorza | July 22, 2013 at 05:00 PM

At least he overthrew and not an under thrown pick. It's better to be long than wrong! Again, first pass of training camp. Take it for what it's worth.

I agree with Woodshed.
Leave Tanne alone.
They don't even have pads on yet.

Ryan Tannehill should be given another couple years to develop before fans pass judgment on him. Just look at turnovers as growing pains from a promising prospect. If Jeff Ireland has confidence in him, that is good enough for me.

Armando, any Jasper (Junior)Collins sightings?
Liked His RAC/YAC ability at MU...

Armando and other reporters are not allowed to watch the indoor practice when specific plays are broken down in detail and learned.

He never mentions this.

Thanks for the info Mando, great write up. And the comment about Egnews catch almost bringing a tear to your eye was funny.

So Odrick seems to be really showing up so far. I've heard a few different reporters now point out how well he's doing and that's great news for the defense. Starks may be expendable after this season and we could use the franchise tag on Grimes possibly, especially if he has a pro bowl caliber year. But it's going to be nice to have Starks and Odrick as DTs on obvious passing downs, we may finally get some consistent pressure up the middle and Brady wilts under that kind of pressure. And then on running downs as well as goal line plays Odrick can come in and play DE. I hope he keeps up the great work.

I love how people are already claiming T-Hill, Jordan,Martin and Wallace as failures. They have had 2 days together!

Some people need to go back to their own team's blog. I know it looks bleak for the Jets this year but support your team!

Frankly I don't like this starting camp early and play 5 preseason games.
Someone is going to get hurt in a preseason game and miss the season and for what?
Nobody watches the HOF game anyway.
It's not even on TV.

IRA,
I agree.
What's good enough for Ireland is good enough for me.

I don't understand this worry about J. Martins ability to play LT. He played LT at Stanford for 4 years protecting the best qb in the country. Anyone know why people are worried about him playing LT in the NFL? I've never heard of a tackle playing well in college in a big program and then not being able to transition to the NFL playing the same position. Anyone got any interesting takes on this?


I hope Vernon shows you up BIG TIME this year. He already seems on the right path after day 2 of camp. LOL...

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | July 22, 2013 at 02:20 PM

I remember when you said the same thing about Phillip Livas a couple of Seasons ago at least then you waited a whole week after the start of Camp, proclaiming he was the answer for the K.O. / P.R. job. You ended your posts LIVAS, LIVAS!! ROTFFLOMA!!

Truth is you can't take anything about what you see right now till about week-3 of the Pre-Season and a full month of Camp after the pads come on.

What was the name of that MLB from Kentucky we signed in 2010 who was coming back from a knee injury that everybody raved about and cheered for when he made the team with some saying he would replace Chowder in the Middle??

I can't remember the guys name but recall Sparano cut him after 1st game Vs. Buffalo that Seaon!

By the way your Boy Livas, WAIT FOR IT! DRUM ROLL!!!! He's on the Practice squad for the Saskatchewan Roughriders of the CFL, LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P78,
Evidently Vernon was having his way with Martin.
Granted today is only day 2 and they are not even in pads but it's not like Vernon is a pro bowler either.
Game 1 is Barkevious Mingo.

Mark In Toronto,
Please post something I need to look at those hooters again.

I appreciate Matt Moore and his backup qualities. But it drives me nuts when writers claim who the best qb on the field was during training camp while completely ignoring the fact that the other qbs are going against pro bowl players on the line and in the defensive backfield (Grimes). If Tannehill went against the third stringers people would be screaming for him to start because he does so well in practice. It's frickin stupid.

Also Armando says D. Thomas is playing a lot with the first team and that the coaches said he could have a huge year if he stays healthy.

Then Omar reports D. Thomas is working exclusively with the third unit and has very little chance to beat Miller for the starting position. He also said coaches told him Miller has the job and it is his to lose.

Helllooooooooo? Someone is wrong, I wish these two could figure it out so we actually knew what was going on with the RBs. I have a hard time believing Thomas is anything but a short yardage back. We've all seen him run. He's stiff, can't cut to save his life, slow, and has one spin move that everyone and their mother will have figured out by game two this season, I just don't see it.

I love how people are already claiming T-Hill, Jordan,Martin and Wallace as failures. They have had 2 days together!

Posted by: The Woodshed Gang | July 22, 2013 at 05:40 PM

That is, I'm agree, By the way, the first things that I do like to hear the most, is the cohesion between the members of the offensive line. With full pads of course.


P78,
Evidently Vernon was having his way with Martin.
Granted today is only day 2 and they are not even in pads but it's not like Vernon is a pro bowler either.
Game 1 is Barkevious Mingo.

Posted by: ExposingTheFraud | July 22, 2013 at 05:48 PM

Wrong! Yesterday Vernon got ZERO on Martin and today he beats him with an inside speed move but Mando failed to mention (every other Fins publication did) that Martin pancaked Vernon on another play sounds to me like there battling in there and today was about even.

ETF, I heard that about Martin and Vernon. You're right and I'm hoping it has a little to do with no pads being on. It's hard for an o-linemen to get a grip on his guy when he's grabbing at skin. You need those pads to grab a hold of to keep the dlinemen honest. Otherwise they can just pin their ears back and slip through. They usually get their fingers under the pad on the front of the shoulder area. Refs don't see it because the jersey bunches there and I think they consider it legal anyway.

No Bomb, No Playoffs. Playoff caliber QB are able to stretch the defense, and keep them honest.

FB's are overrated. More TE are used these days.

"This is NOT a forum for attacking others and using lewd language or profanities."

Armando Salguero

Really? Then why is this allowed?

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS!

Armando this is why no one takes the rules seriously. You write that post and then the very next poster uses a profanity laced sign in and nothing is done. It's like parents with bad kids who never enforce consequences for their actions. They just ignore and do what they want.

How come the Pats never have to play in the shhtty HOF game and we do?

This is NOT a forum for attacking others and using lewd language or profanities.


Posted by: Armando Salguero | July 22, 2013 at 02:41 PM

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