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Dolphins camp Day Two in the books

I think I've figured it out. It took me a couple of practices and talking to a couple of people, but it is clear to me why the Dolphins applied the stiff-arm to fullback Vonta Leach late last week.

It's just that the Dolphins are going to use a one-back look with four pass-catchers (three receivers and a tight end) or an I-formation look with the tight end as the lead blocker look going forward. And none of that leaves a lot of room for a fullback on the roster.

It makes sense, really.

When you consider the Dolphins have three starting-caliber and high priced receivers in Mike Wallace, Brian Hartline and Brandon Gibson on the team, it makes sense to get them on the field as much as possible. When you consider Dustin Keller is an experienced and solid tight end and the Dolphins are heavily invested in the position with Charles Clay, Dion Sims, Kyle Miller and Michael Egnew, it makes sense to have an extra roster spot not occupied by a fullback and instead used on an extra tight end.

Voila, mystery solved.

So at the end of this camp, it is possible the Dolphins can keep either an extra tight end, or perhaps use the spot elsewhere such as cornerback or linebacker or receiver, and not feel the pinch of being lessened because the fullback spot has become marginalized, anyway.

 I remind you the Dolphins still have two fullbacks on the roster: Jorvorskie Lane and Evan Rodriguez. But neither has gotten even one snap with the first or second-team offense in two days of camp that I've noticed. Both are in a deserate fight to merely make the team. I don't like their chances.

Now, I know at least a couple of you scoffed when you read Michael Egnew's name among the tight ends the Dolphins have invested in. Obviously, he was a disappointment last year. But today he had a relatively good day.

He caught a handful of passes (four actually) and that included a grab from Matt Moore between two defenders in tight coverage on a seam route that stretched 17 yards. It almost brought a tear to my eyes to witness. Almost.

Some other practice highlights:

Big men go one-on-one

I love the one-on-one pass rush drills when offensive and defensive lineman match wits, girth and physical attributes. Todays highlights?

Second-year defensive end Olivier Vernon, who is working with the starting unit and doing well in my opinion, schooled new left tackle Jonathan Martin on an inside move. Martin allowed his feet to get tangled. It was ugly.

Not surprisingly, veteran Randy Starks abused rookie Brian Thomas, a free agent out of Texas A&M, and he didn't even look like he was going full speed.

The Dolphins have an interesting situation working at defensive tackle. Jared Odrick has been impressive at the position which he's been playing exclusively so far in camp -- no defensive end work -- and so it could be Soliai and Starks on early downs and then Starks and Odrick on passing downs. Obviously, whichever player doesn't start will get plenty of playing time in rotation.

It's also possible Odrick might still be used at defensive end but, as I said, he hasn't worked at end yet in camp.

Devlin works with 2s

QB Pat Devlin got some second-team snaps today. Matt Moore worked some with the third-stringers. It was interesting perhaps only to me because I recall that Devlin has a reputation for being among coach Joe Philbin's favorite players.

I'm not saying Devlin is challenging Moore for the backup role. Moore's experienced, his ability to enter a game and win it (against the Jets last year) and his salary preclude such a sudden shift to Devlin. But it was interesting to see. Moore, by the way, had a good day of practice and was probably the best QB on the field today.

Yes, it is available

The read option is in the playbook. All I'm saying on that. 

Talking RBs

Although Lamar Miller is the presumed starting running back, I was told today to assume nothing about that. Yes, Miller is getting the first-team snaps. But Daniel Thomas is also getting some of those. And as a club source told me, the team believes Thomas is ready for a big season if he can stay healthy. Yes, big if, I know. Just sharing what I'm told.

Tannehill-Wallace update

My column in today's newspaper examined the need for quarterback Ryan Tannehill and Mike Wallace to get in synch so that Miami's popgun offense of a year ago might show more explosiveness. Check the column to see what the players said about their work on Day One.

Today, I hate to report, we're still looking for the long TD bomb from the QB to the deep threat receiver. Has yet to happen. Tannehill and Wallace did connect on three sideline out routes. There was even a slant pass completed. But the bomb?

Not yet.

Kicking competition

Today was Caleb Sturgis day as the Dolphins apparently are alternating kicking days between he and Dan Carpenter. Today, Sturgis got only three attempts. He made two but missed on a 47-yarder.

[NOTE: The Dolphins do not allow updates to the blog during the major parts of practice thus I update on a real-time basis on twitter. So if you're looking for the latest on what is happening at practice, follow me on twitter @ArmandoSalguero].

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Listen She, We, or at least I, care about this Blog. It is an avenue to express myself in less serious tone than I do somewhere else, besides I being a Dolphins Fan. But not at this price of vulgarity and complete lack of honesty to the Team and only for their interests.

Craig M,

You have always been one of the level headed voices here as well can recall you getting into heated debate before but keeping it to your point on topic. Same for Kris, DC, Mark, odin and Phins78 being the few left outside of Darryl D. still here from that blog WAR back in 09 I believe when names were being impostered throwing offensive posts back-n-forth were people threatened to leave and some did. Have you ever seen a post again here since then from Derek4, 0X80 or really even OC Rob since then and they were some of the best on this blog?

Mando was forced to deal with it then cause he was going to lose his hits which I agree seems to be the only thing that matters and have begun to wonder really if this troll problem isn't one he planted to pump his hits given his obvious wink wink attitude? This use to be one of the absolute best sites to come and debate Football with some serious encyclopedia's on the subjsct. I LOVED it here in those days testing my knowledge with some of the others and really since then this blog has lost alot of what it was.

Darkoak,

Not to be mean, but you really don't understand how this blog works and it's relevance to search. In fact the THM administration has very little to do with the mechanics of this blog. If that suprises you, then I am correct in my assumptions.

OHHH My,Please Armando Ban YG and all troll hits will disappear.

Craig M,

You have always been one of the level headed voices here as well


Posted by: fin4life | July 22, 2013 at 09:11 PM

YG is right about at least one thing....

There really is a major CJ club here that is blind to everything that doesn't suit them.

YG At 9:14 Iam sure, YG, Even the hippie Odin has a JOB(Will part time that is) When was the last time you Earned any money?

This problem here(as usual) is all about $. If we can get somebody to decrease the $ to the ones that profit from it here do, those will disappear. Guaranteed. Besides, TMH, as the preeminent(and only) publication in Miami cannot afford to be without a Dolphins Blog.

Fin4,

You said it. I have been coming here for quite some time. It used to be "The Best" in my opinion.

It's a shame too. All for hits to show advertisers!

All the stupid, repetitive one liners have their accumlative effect. But I propose that if left to **FREELY** talk and Debate Dolphin's Football, we could out do the trollish numbers. Even the Flamming totals.

In other words, I believe that if Armando were to uphold the integrity of the blog(Read: Banning The Problem Child)I honestly believe that we could out do those numbers. With real, quality insight and debate. Much like it was back in the day.

Again, YOU Said It(Big Sigh)........

Banning The Problem Child)I honestly believe that we could out do those numbers

Posted by: odinseye | July 22, 2013 at 09:29 PM


You sir s ingle handledly increase the troll posts by a factor of three with all your cut and pasting. You by all accounts are the #1 cause of blog pollution.

Martin's a joke. Among the WORST tackles in the league, by statistics and by the eyeball test.

Anyone who says otherwise is blowing smoke.
Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional.

L.A. here we come.

I just read that Grimes was being used on returns. This just does not seem wise to me. Why risk a very key player coming off serious injury?

You heard me, Paul?

YG is right about at least one thing....

There really is a major CJ club here that is blind to everything that doesn't suit them.

Posted by: Observer | July 22, 2013 at 09:17 PM
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You said the **SAME THING** about the SS when you wigged out, got everyone pissed at you and finally banned.

You said the **SAME THING** about Ohio's Blog when you wigged out, got everyone pissed at you and finally banned.

Now here you are saying the **SAME THING** about Dolphin's In Depth where you wig out, piss everyone off and hopefully, eventually, get banned.

You see where I'm going with this? These are irrefutable facts, whether you like them or not. To be honest, I'd be willing to bet that you've pulled this same routine on many other blogs and was hated there and probably banned.

At what point do you stop pointing fingers at the rest of the world and take a Long Hard Look in the Mirror...?

Odin,

Have you considered jigsaw puzzles? You seriously need a new hobby.

The first priority of a punt returner is not to drop the ball. That's why Bess with his great hands was there last year in difficult situations. Puleeees, that's common sense.

Oscar why does it seem you are always reading a different blog?


In other words, I believe that if Armando were to uphold the integrity of the blog(Read: Banning The Problem Child)I honestly believe that we could out do those numbers. With real, quality insight and debate. Much like it was back in the day.

Again, YOU Said It(Big Sigh)........

Posted by: odinseye | July 22, 2013 at 09:29 PM

We use to do Mando's job for him pumping up hits on this site! Remember during the CBA lockout were we got nothing except that Lawyer from the Players Union Rep threatening the Strike?

After they anounced the draft would take place as scheduled about a month before we came up with the idea of researching the draft (given ZERO info. that Off-Season with every bit of News dedicated to the Labor dispute) The Blog must have been getting like 500 hits a day with people exchanging info. on players from Big Schools to the smaller Conferences.

This place was like an adiction. We later bet on who could throw up the most accurate mock draft for simple braging rights and we had a group on here that was dropping posts like rain drops in a down pour! My wife was on me for the time I spent on here that month! We went threw Mallett, Ingram, Pouncey and those dreaming the trade up for Cam and others who were pumping up Gabbert compared to Locker, YIKES!

(I didn't fair much better given I liked Ponder RD-2 though nobody saw Minn. pulling the trigger that early. I did however post plenty about Kaep in RD-3 guess I was off by an entire Rd)

Man we had some heated arguments in that month with alot of F bombs dropped but it was all good. Your right if left to argue Football alone with the amount of opinions here we'd double his hits like we did then!

Note please explain your point further. How does the Miami Herald administration run their website, it sounds like you may have intimate knowledge. Please continue.

I don't know, Melvin. I have this gift for writing what other People are thinking.

In what decade do we get a franchise QB?

Odin,

Have you considered jigsaw puzzles? You seriously need a new hobby.

Posted by: Mattel | July 22, 2013 at 09:45 PM
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No time for puzzles.

My two youngest Sons and I are Fishing Lake Superior ALL WEEK!!!! We got some nice Pike and Rainbows today.

But as usual, I'm still stalking the ever elusive, Filet Mignon of the Lakes......The Walleye!!!!

Speaking of which, 5:00 AM comes early. Especially after staying up late last night!

We got a Freezer to Fill!!!!

Oscar why does it seem you are always reading a different blog?
Posted by: Melvin | July 22, 2013 at 09:50 PM

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My son has difficulty with reading comprehension. He just doesnt understand things.

Odin = out of touch out of towner = CLUELESS AS A CANADIEN

See, Armando, that post at 10:05 is one that you should delete(talking about my Mother). This is getting somber by the minute.

It seems to me like Daniel Thomas is being shopped by the Fins.

See? I'm talking about my son Oscar and he thinks I'm talkin about myself.

The toughest question for this FO will be...when do they pull Tannehill?

Nobody wants Daniel Thomas with the possible exception of McDonald to flip burgers.....

The toughest question for this FO will be...when do they pull Tannehill?
Posted by: Mark | July 22, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Lets hope he's on a lot shorter leash then the 3-4 years wasted on Chad Henne.

The toughest question for this FO will be...when do they pull Tannehill?

Posted by: Mark | July 22, 2013 at 10:16 PM

When he starts costing us games, which I haven't seen him do yet.

Mark hopefully they never have that problem.

When he starts costing us games, which I haven't seen him do yet.

Posted by: The Woodshed Gang | July 22, 2013 at 10:23 PM


Mark hopefully they never have that problem.

Posted by: Darkoak | July 22, 2013 at 10:24 PM


Lets play Devils advocate and say it got to the point the team needed to pull the plug on Tannehill would anybody here say rolling the dice on a QB RD-1 was a collosal mistake? I wouldn't given the alternatives are the usual gang of FA suspects while Matt Moore led the imediate charge.

I think Tannehill has it physically like alot of QB's before him we all need to see it translate on the field though and I saw enough as a rookie to give him the benefit of the doubt till proven to the contratry. I like the direction Philbin seems to be going in at least were NFL fast again!

No coach can survive when Ireland cant even provide an average QB.

Tannehill had accuracy problems at times but I think he really cleaned that up once he got used to the speed of the NFL game.

If you have accuracy problems by the time you make it to the NFL, you always will. You are the player you are. Weak arm, slow feet, strong arm, fast feet, accurate, not accurate...all that is well flushed out by the end of your college career. Those are things you have or don't have. They aren't learned.

Its amazing no one on the Dolphins recognized Tannehills accuracy problems BEFORE the draft.

Scotty, it is amazing your mother didn't think about abortion BEFORE you were born.

Accuracy problems occur when you can't set your feet to make a throw. You can't set your feet to make a throw when 1) you are forced to throw before an opening due to pressure 2) you have bad footwork to begin with.

Tannehill claimed to spend a lot of time on his footwork this offseason and with the added speed on offense, he should have more space in the short to intermediate routes to find an open guy.

My big question is will the line give him the time to get rid of the ball where he wants to go with it?

Tannehill made Johnny Manziel look like Johnny Unitas.

See the fan club thinks Im every screen name here that disagrees with them. They just aren't smart enough to realize Armando sees the IP address.

Im gone 5-6 hrs and the pigeons are obsessed with me, yet they say the blog would be better without me.

If I stopped posting here today, these same crazies would still be talking about me years later and accusing others of being me.

How can I ever truly leave if they will still falsely accuse those who aren't in the circle jerk club of being me?

Even if I left, their extreme paranoia would keep me here. ROTFLMAO, and so are those you falsely accuse of being me.

Six teams in the AFC will make the playoffs. I see minimum 8 teams well ahead of us. This season is still a pipe dream if you ask me.

Denver
Cincinnati
Houston
NE
Baltimore
Colts
Steelers
San Diego

Accuracy problems occur when you can't set your feet to make a throw.
Posted by: The Woodshed Gang | July 22, 2013 at 10:46 PM

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Accuracy issues also occur when you dont have superior hand-eye coordination. And nothing will fully correct that.

fins def better than sd,colts,pitt but i agree we wont make playoffs, we are much improved but our schedule is brutal. if we had last years schedule we would make playoffs easily. 2014 is the target year i think

I don't see the Steelers, Colts or San Diego making the playoffs this year.

Denver, Cincinnati and Houston would be the only threeI would bet on. The rest have a lot of questions surrounding them, as do the Dolphins.

Steelers, Colts amd San Diego all have far superior QB's and more stability among the coaches and players.

Accuracy issues also occur when you dont have superior hand-eye coordination. And nothing will fully correct that.

Posted by: Scotty | July 22, 2013 at 10:58 PM

I would think that is more of a concern for a wide receiver than QB. Oh wait.... Tannehill proved he could play WR at a high level so that wouldn't be the problem.

Nfl.com reports Ryan Tannehill has the 6th top selling jersey thus far in 2013. That's a spot ahead of Tom Brady right now.

There must be an awful lot of dolfans out there right now very high on Tannehill. Hope he lives up to their lofty expectation. If he fails, that an awful lot of future car wash rags.

mark u still living in that cave sd has a awful head case qb, a new coach, rb that fumbles every play. pitt is a bunch of fossils. colts play a real schedule with a horrible defense. wake up. surprise team will make playoffs, maybe a kc? mia?

Woodshed Gang, I wouldnt mind seeing Tanny at WR and Moore at QB.

sd no shot at playoffs. pitt prob best of those 3 teams but play 6 tough div games. colts play in bad div but outside schedule much tougher this year. i dont see any of them making playoffs. i see den, ne, cincy, hou winning div, balt and who??? for wildcards it will come down to

dusty,

I hate to break it to you but the Colts have been to the playoffs like 11 out of the last 12 years.

Wake up fool.

no surprised thill would be ahead of brady in selling jerseys, bradys been around forever most every fan already has his jersey. course new guys are gonna be the ones currently selling the most of

Scotty,

There are millions of guys out there that may have superior hand eye coordination to Tannehill, yet, can not play a lick of football.

Accuracy throwing the football is more mechanics than anything else.

mark come out of the cave, manning left. its 2013, tear down that old calendar bro. colts defense is so bad.

dusty would you buy an odin bwaahaaa jersey?

who da hell is odin

Until the fins do something, they've done nothing for a long long time. Luck > Tannehill. Colts track record is about 900% better than the fins. Accept reality.

careless about track record. new season. colts are the least of my worries. if pats have a few injuries they could fall flat on there face. we could shock some people if we could dominate our div and win it

Woodshed Gang, I wouldnt mind seeing Tanny at WR and Moore at QB.

Posted by: Scotty | July 22, 2013 at 11:08 PM

I don't think the wildcat is coming back to Miami so we will never see it. Moore is a great backup QB though.

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