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Dolphins not signing Leach for camp's start

The Dolphins and the agent for fullback Vonta Leach had a heart-to-heart talk Thursday and the message was clear. The club is not signing the free agent fullback before camp starts Sunday.

General Manager Jeff Ireland told Ralph Vitolo that the club was starting camp on Sunday without Leach and that, although the club likes the player, the only way a signing would occur is if coaches look at the talent currently on the roster and finds it lacking during camp.

That sound you're hearing is Jovorskie Lane and Charles Clay breathing a sigh of relief.

I first reported this news yesterday on my twitter account. That's happening more and more so follow me for the latest Dolphins news and analysis there. The handle is @ArmandoSalguero.

Leach is not completely out of the picture in Miami.

The Dolphins open camp early this year so it might well be that they see something they don't like the first few days of camp and circle back to Leach. Leach, who has a standing $2 million offer from the Ravens, is in no hurry to sign but he is dangling and available. The Texans are a possibility are also a possibility for Leach.

The curious thing about this whole flirtation with Leach is that the team was so hot for him initially and then suddenly and unexpectedly cooled. The Dolphins were the first team to call Leach after his release from Baltimore. The coaches indicated to him they wanted him. The personnel department indicated to Vitolo they wanted him. Coach Joe Philbin told friends around the league he wanted Leach.

But after Ireland and Philbin returned from vacation, suddenly that desire to sign Leach faded. Interestingly, the Dolphins and Leach never discussed money. The sides talked general numbers but there was never an offer from Miami.

Me?

I like the idea of Leach over Lane. Yes, Lane is younger. But Leach is better. Leach is more experienced. Leach is a proven leader. Leach has been on a winner and in the playoffs. And he's healthy and never over weight.

On a Dolphins offense that is young at nearly every position, a little veteran experience would be a plus.

That apparently isn't how the Dolphins view things at the moment.

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Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | July 19, 2013 at 07:43 PM
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How Juvenile!

Not right now Cup Cake, The Grown Ups are talking Ball!

Now HUSH - ROTFLMAO **AND** SMH!!!!

Bsbies like Odin, YG, and Dashi never admit when they are wrong.

odinseye | July 19, 2013 at 07:16 PM

We've discussed the Tannehill issue at length and without going off for a few paragraphs you know I see it the same way as you illustrated in your 3 part assesment of what you'll look for out of him. I believe the physical attributes are there we just need to see if the Football I.Q. and quick decision making are on par with NFL contemporaries that keep their teams in contention.

The OL issue will be one to watch and I get your apprehension with Martin and possible Ireland man crush on his pick but I got to believe the team had his Off-Season somewhat monitered with the investment we were looking to make before letting Long leave and not bidding on B.Albert. I really like the addition of Clabo at RT given his history in the zone scheme and Louis if healthy probably wins the RG spot but an in shape Jerry who moves as well as he can may just be the swing player who can push Cogs don't forget LG and Center are the only Positions he hasn't played given in 2011 he closed at LT D.Thomas and Garner are great insurance off the bench.

The Sec. is an issue but the pass rush can help here and probably will have to especially early in the Season while the DB's get their footing. Am waiting to see the different formations we unleash come Sept. with all the pieces on the front-7.

The run game will peak my curiosity given I want to see us run off RT more a pass catching T.E. probing the underneath routes can help here as well and last I look forward to seing Dion Sims in live game action.

Dumbass Odin Odor,

Also let your equally dumbass mongloid buddy, Craig M, know that the Cleveland Browns are a 3-4 defense. If you amnesiac stooges would remember, if you had the capability, I said that Mingo was too small to play as a 4-3 DE.

Cleveland drafted Mingo as a 3-4 "OLB" jackasses. LOL...

The heck with freedom of speech and the people who died fighting for it.
Some of you should consider moving to Iran.
Posted by: Sheesh | July 19, 2013 at 07:02 PM

You can say whatever you want on your own blog no one would be stopping you. But the things people say here, no one would walk down the street saying to random strangers without getting locked up either in a psycho ward or in the slammer or ending up in the hospital.

It would really be for your own good. :)


Bsbies like Odin, YG, and Dashi never admit when they are wrong.

Posted by: Grow Up | July 19, 2013 at 07:59 PM


You only admit you're wrong when youre wrong. The Browns drafted Barkevious Mingo as an "OUTSIDE LINEBACKER" not as a "DE" as idiots Craig M and Odin Odor would have you "FALSELY" believe.

Look up the Browns "DEFENSIVE DEPTH CHART" for yourself. He'll be playing olb in their 3-4 defense, not "DE".

NOW LETS SEE CRAIGM AND ODIN ODOR APOLOGIZE FOR BEING WRONG AND APOLOGIZE FOR FALSELY CALLING ME WRONG> LOL...

Posted by: Darkoak | July 19, 2013 at 08:05 PM


Some of the worst atrocities in the entire history of mankind occurred under cloak of, "For your own good" or "Our own Good".

Now, go figure that genius!

Dumbass Odin Odor,

Joe Ferguson was always one of the better qb's in the league. Buffalo could always score with the best of them.

Still, I have great feeling I haven't taught your dumbass a thing. ROTFLMAO!

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | July 19, 2013 at 07:51 PM
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The evidence!

1973 in a 14 game Season

Bills QB Joe Furgeson threw for a little over 950 Yds with 4 TD's!!! and 13 Int's

Case closed!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: fin4life | July 19, 2013 at 07:43 PM
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GEE, YG.........you DID teach me something. You taught me to NEVER believe any of the utterly useless drivel that comes off your keyboard.

950 yards, 4 TD's and 13 int's in ONE SEASON and that makes him one of the better QB's......?

He avg. 67 yards a game passing and you call that one of the better QB's.......?

Bhwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

Now STFU YG, The Grown Ups are talking Ball.

Like Fin 4 said above: CASE CLOSED - ROTFLMFAO!!!!

Hitler murdered millions of Jews underneath the cloak of, "Good of the German People."


Dumbass Odin Odor,

Joe Ferguson was always one of the better qb's in the league. Buffalo could always score with the best of them.

When OJ Simpson was a Bill, the problem was their defense gave up points even faster. The Bills could have been a perennial playoff team in the early 70's if they had a defense.

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | July 19, 2013 at 07:51

Your either High or don't have the 1st clue what your talking about!

Joe Furgeson played 18 NFL Seasons 11 in Buffalo were he threw more TD's than picks in only 6 of them. Granted 3 of those Yrs were in 80,81 and 83 were the talent around him improved before the Kelly ERA started in 84 but common man! There were Seasons he threw less than 15 TD's and more than 25 Picks in the 70's when his D led by Fred Smerlas (remember him?) bailed them out.

He later went the journey man route (85-90) with NFL POWERHOUSES of that ERA Detroit, Tampa Bay and Indianapolis as their back up!


Anything created by Man is flawed(not absolute) and any use of it has to go thru the Collective to be fair. Just like a court of Law sometimes needs 12 jurors to reach a fair verdict, Blogs do too. If most individual People(not the same poster using different names) here want YG gone then it should be done. Otherwise, you might face some nasty consequences.

YG, now you're back tracking and trying to throw in all kinds of qualifiers on Mingo and Jordan.

But thats not the issue, nor is it what you said back then.

You said basically that Mingo wasn't worthy of a 1st round pick or an early 1st round pick. Then you said that Jordan wasn't or wouldn't be taken top 10(12).

I;m not going to sit here and argue with you while you change your story. The right thing would hve been for you too admit you were wrong, man up and move on.

But Nooooooooooooooooooooo! Not YOU-LOL!

You can dish it, but you can't take it. You were WRONG, but you can't admit it.

Simple as that.........

Buh- Bye!!!!

ROTFLMFAO!!!!

The evidence!

1973 in a 14 game Season

Bills QB Joe Furgeson threw for a little over 950 Yds with 4 TD's!!! and 13 Int's

Case closed!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: fin4life | July 19, 2013 at 07:43 PM


Odin Doo-doo,

Bob Griese only threw for 1422 yds in 1973 and it was his 7th yr in the legue. 1973 was Ferguson's 1st as a starter.

With only 1422yds, Griese won his 2nd consecutive sb. Buffalo was as good a rushing team as we were too, and it wasn't like Griese was putting up phenominal numbers.

So when your buddy Fin4 was putting up numbers to taint his argument. He should have looked at numbers of all passing qb's in that ra/ Or did he just "conveniently omit" them?

ob Greise's absolute best passing yardage season was 2.472yds. In a 16 game season that may have come to Ryan Tannehill's rookie total.

Also, the most tds Griese ever threw in a single season was 22tds in 1977. Only 2 season he even broke the 20td mark.

Joe Ferguson cracked the 20td mark 4 times in the 70's. His career numbers overshadow Griese's career numbers. Tell your buddy fin4 to compare Griese and Ferguson's career numbers side by side.

Of course, I know what's coming and I joined your Twitter page as a follower today, just in case.

Posted by: odinseye | July 19, 2013 at 08:23 PM


Ok, now we're going to call stating the truth back tracking and adding qualifiers.

I'll accept your apology anyway Odin Odor. ROTFLMAO!

Dumbass Odin Odor,

Joe Ferguson was always one of the better qb's in the league. Buffalo could always score with the best of them.

When OJ Simpson was a Bill, the problem was their defense gave up points even faster. The Bills could have been a perennial playoff team in the early 70's if they had a defense.

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | July 19, 2013 at 07:51
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Your either High or don't have the 1st clue what your talking about!

Joe Furgeson played 18 NFL Seasons 11 in Buffalo were he threw more TD's than picks in only 6 of them. Granted 3 of those Yrs were in 80,81 and 83 were the talent around him improved before the Kelly ERA started in 84 but common man! There were Seasons he threw less than 15 TD's and more than 25 Picks in the 70's when his D led by Fred Smerlas (remember him?) bailed them out.

He later went the journey man route (85-90) with NFL POWERHOUSES of that ERA Detroit, Tampa Bay and Indianapolis as their back up!


Posted by: fin4life | July 19, 2013 at 08:21 PM
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Just wondering, will YG admit he's wrong about Ferguson or the Bills D back them......?

-OR-

Will he back track, change his story and continue calling names of anyone and everyone that calls him on his Bullshyt?


YOU BE THE JUDGE!!!!

Bhwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

Odin Odor,

Also during the pass rusher debate, Ireland's fa haul hadn't taken shape. CB, WR, and TE looked like the greatest draft needs. Ireland immediately cured all of those needs in fa.

This made going into the draft not having any "DEFINITE NEEDS". The 2013 draft then became "BPA" for Ireland. That's why Dion Jordan was our 1st pick. Ireland considered him "best player available". He wasn't taken out of "primary need".

My life is so wasted trying to educate total idiots. ROTFLMAO!

Dashwad wanted Lacy at 12.

32 GM's disagreed 60 times.

Does dashwad admit he was wrong about Lacy's value?

Posted by: odinseye | July 19, 2013 at 08:30 PM

Look up Griese and Ferguson's career numbers. I have. What, afraid to prove yourself wrong as usual?

Please research and stop talking out of your overly stank and dingle-berry riddled ass. LOL...

Does odinslime ever criticize his buddy dashwad When dashwad talks about spitting and swallowing, does odinsime call him out with cut and paste bwaaahaaaahs?


Those to have cute 'thing' together now don't they?

Wow YG, full tantrum. Somebody strike a nerve? That's OK let it all out we're here for ya.

I gave darkoak the benefit of the doubt at first.

No idiot who actually sat thru 70's football will place the mishap of the Bills on Joe Ferguson. Not if they actually have a brain, of course.

Guess that eliminates you and fin4, Odin Odor. LOL...

Posted by: Darkoak | July 19, 2013 at 08:41 PM


Don't look now, but he's back under one of his aliases. ROTFLMAO.......

Seems there's a small very self-centered cancerous bunch in here that only recognizes truth as how they choose to view.

The truth needs their permission to be considered true. WOW!

Oh YG why deny you need help. Everyone here knows you're not well mentally. Take a look at the symptoms of ASPD, then look at your posts on here. It's plain as day. I'm not against you.

OK FINFANS

READY FOR THE POLL OF THE DAY?


WHO IS THE BIGGEST MOST IMMATURE BABY ON THE BLOG?

A) YG, aka 17 IN YUR ASS

B) ODIN

C) DASHI

D) THEY'RE ALL 3 YEARS OLD

I also just found that Joe Ferguson's rookie year was 1973. As year one starter, Joe Ferguson lead the Bills to a 9-5 record.

Ryan Tannehill led the Dolphins to a 7-9 record. Yet. Fin4life and Odin Odor would have you believe Joe Ferguson was a god awful qb in 1973(rookie season). Joe Ferguson ws a 3rd rd draft pick in 1973. Just keps getting better and better!

ROTFLMAO even harder now!


Joe Ferguson cracked the 20td mark 4 times in the 70's. His career numbers overshadow Griese's career numbers. Tell your buddy fin4 to compare Griese and Ferguson's career numbers side by side.

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | July 19, 2013 at 08:28 PM

You truly have become a clown and make things up as you go. Furgeson only cracked the 20 TD mark one time in the 70's in 1975. He cracks 20 plus in the 16 game format which went into existance in 76 three times in the Yrs. I mentioned (80,81,83)! It's also fair to say he threw 17 picks by the way in 75 in a 14 game format. In those Seasons he posted 20 plus TD's you need to assess the picks as well. In 80 he threw 20 TD's to 18 picks in 81 he threw he throws 24 TD's with 20 Int's and in 83 he threw 26 TD's to 25 picks and OH BY THE WAY in 82 off 9 starts he threw 7 TD's with 16 picks.

The conversation got going about his time with OJ Simpson and if the Juice carried the team or not and the answer given the stats between Shaw and Furgeson is a resounding yes!! Get the ADD under control and remember were this debate got it'd jumping off point. Griese was a caretaker QB no denying this and Career stats don't bare his meaning to his team but you said earlier that Marino outside of some big Yrs. was a MERE MORTAL statistically and now you push Furgeson the GREAT down our throats as some Buffalo Massiah if not for his BAD D!

Reality check! Joe Furgeson couldn't sniff Marino's jock much less carry it in any discussion regarding QB's so now that you've taken us all down this cosmic bunny hole of LOGIC please enlighten me on PERENNIAL POWERHOUSE Joe Furgeson and MERE MORTAL Marino in a statistical converstation about how Marino sucked without help but Furgeson was a sacrificial lamb WASTED on some BAD Bills teams???????????

*Than Milk In Your Mouth.

Posted by: Dashi | July 14, 2013 at 08:35 PM

So Irescum is showing up Philbin by not signing Leach. YIKES!

The Buffalo Bills selected Ferguson in the third round of the 1973 NFL Draft.[1] Although he is most famous for playing with the Bills from 1973 to 1984, Ferguson also played three seasons for the Detroit Lions and two seasons for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and one final season with the Indianapolis Colts.

Ferguson placed in the top 10 in pass attempts five times, completions and passing yards four times, passing touchdowns six times, and yards per pass three times. At one time he shared, with Ron Jaworski, the NFL record for consecutive starts by a quarterback with 107, until he was replaced by Joe Dufek on September 30, 1984.[

Ferguson's best season came in the 1975 campaign, when he tied Fran Tarkenton for the NFL lead with 25 touchdown passes and compiled a passer rating of 81.3. Ferguson also surpassed 20 touchdown passes on three other occasions (1980, 1981 & 1983).

Ferguson is one of few quarterbacks who started immediately as a rookie, and his team won four of his first six starts. He is one of only two rookie quarterbacks to accomplish this feat, being joined by the Atlanta Falcons' Matt Ryan in 2008.

YUP, FERGUSON WAS ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE! LOL...


I also just found that Joe Ferguson's rookie year was 1973. As year one starter, Joe Ferguson lead the Bills to a 9-5 record.

Ryan Tannehill led the Dolphins to a 7-9 record. Yet. Fin4life and Odin Odor would have you believe Joe Ferguson was a god awful qb in 1973(rookie season).

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | July 19, 2013 at 08:56 PM

You can call me CRAZY but the Bills 73 record might have something to do with OJ Simpson running for 2,003 yards in 14 games??!!

A


Posted by: fin4life | July 19, 2013 at 08:57 PM

Your Ferguson stats come from out of your ass. Mine come from Wikipedia. I wonder who's right? LOL...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ferguson

OJ was nuthin without Ferguson


Ferguson's best season came in the 1975 campaign, when he tied Fran Tarkenton for the NFL lead with 25 touchdown passes and compiled a passer rating of 81.3. Ferguson also surpassed 20 touchdown passes on three other occasions (1980, 1981 & 1983).

I CLEARLY MAKE A POINT IN MY OTHER POSTS OF MENTIONING THIS ALONG WITH THE INT. TOTALS.

Ferguson is one of few quarterbacks who started immediately as a rookie, and his team won four of his first six starts. He is one of only two rookie quarterbacks to accomplish this feat, being joined by the Atlanta Falcons' Matt Ryan in 2008.

HIS ROOKIE YEAR HAPPENED TO BE THE CROWN JEWEL IN ORENTHAL JAMES SIMPSON'S CAREER!!!!!!!!

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | July 19, 2013 at 09:00

Fergie was a pretty good QB in his day. Not an HOF'r but better than average for sure. There is no argument. OJ helped him but he helped OJ.

It is a team game you know.

Fin4,

You tried to assert that Ferguson was like god awful. That's far from true. Rookie qb's didn't start in that era, let alone that rookie qb being a 3rd r pick.

This started with a comparison of greatest rb's ever. My assertation that OJ Simpson could only be considered a great rb 5 of 11 season(1,000 or more yds).

Jim Brown cracked the 1,000yd mark 7 out of 9 seasons. Brown was far more consistently great than Simpson.


Fergie was a pretty good QB in his day. Not an HOF'r but better than average for sure. There is no argument. OJ helped him but he helped OJ.

It is a team game you know.

Posted by: Pardon | July 19, 2013 at 09:10 PM


Guess someone here gets what Ive been trying to tell dumbass Odin Odor and fin4 stupid.

Ferguson was a journeyman QB

The 70's were a totally different quarterback time. When a qb threw for 200yds it was considered a tremendous performance.

Today, if a qb throws for only 200yds, the fo is nervously figuring out how to replace him.

The Vonta Leach to the Phins was a smokescreen put out by the club, through Mando, to try and get me to stop exposing the fraud.

Now I must expose the whole Vonta affair as fraud.

Proved my point. Im out.

PS: To my faker, exactly why I have this screen name.

Final thought:

I do give Simpson huge props for being the only rb to have great rushing games against the Steel Curtain in the 70's era. Simpson in deed was "Steeler D" kryptonite.


Posted by: fin4life | July 19, 2013 at 08:57 PM


Your Ferguson stats come from out of your ass. Mine come from Wikipedia. I wonder who's right? LOL...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ferguson

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | July 19, 2013 at 09:03 PM

I don't know were your getting your stats from but me I go directly to the only sure fire can't miss source on the NFL and that's nfl.com career stats. You know the NFL Network? Here is the link now how's that for pulling stats out of my a s s!

odin you still out there?

http://www.nfl.com/player/joeferguson/2513953/careerstats

Excuse me the NFL Network link.

I'll never understand why f4l continues to talk to odin considering all the immature nonsense pollution that guy brings to the blog.

Take away odin's nonsense and you have a better blog.

I like Leach, for what he is. If he were already an integral aspect of our offense, I would say give him the money.
My concern is that, other than his lead blocking ability, does he help us that much?
Is he a liability in any way?
Can we get from our roster an equalizing performance?
Probably not from a blocking aspect, but perhaps from an abstract impact.

http://www.nfl.com/player/joeferguson/2513953/careerstats

Excuse me the NFL net. link I was refering to.

Good Sense, Stick to the free porrrnnn sites.

This offense needs all the pro-bowl, veteran help it can get. Leach would be one hell of an addition, specially to help an offensive line that I still see as the weakest link of this team. With Martin at left tackle, my high hopes are on stand-by. Also, I really hope Tannehill is set to make a much needed improvement (or it'll be back to square one). And finally, I hope this guy Dion Jordan is the next Jason Taylor, mind you this was another Ireland draft pick!

I'm noticing how odin and dashi have been ripping on YG for days on end. Once he shows up to defend himself, those two go dead quiet.

Easyto see they really don't have a convincing argument beyond bs trash talk.

Good Sense

Raven finished 2012 ranked 11th in rushing(118.8ypg). Fins finished 17th in rushing(112.6ypg).

That's 6.2ypg better than the Fins. Nothing close to significant. In contrast, the Redskins, Vikings, and Seahawks finished over 160yds rushing per game. The Niners finished at 155yds rushing per game.

So primarily, its the hope that Leach would greatly improve those 3rd and very short conversion attempts. Other than that it seems his appearance greatly improves nothing else in the run game.

The Ravens at 118ypg vs Fins 112ypg in 2012 is proof enough.


I'm noticing how odin and dashi have been ripping on YG for days on end. Once he shows up to defend himself, those two go dead quiet.

Easyto see they really don't have a convincing argument beyond bs trash talk.

Posted by: Such wussies | July 19, 2013 at 09:48 PM

The light of the true is too bright for eyes of blind idiots. Sooner or later the blind idiot will flee.

The darkness always flees when light arrives. LOL...

football starts tomorrow!!!!!!

John Jerry not taking over half a season to get into playing shape could have significantly improved our run game in 2012. Coach Phibin put Jerry on notice with the signing of Lance Louis.

Seems on those 3rd and short-shorts, things most often clogged up on the right guard's side(Jerry).

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