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Studying the Vonta Leach situation

No, I'm not totally back yet. I still have a couple more days of vacation left. But I have some information I've shared with my followers on twitter -- you should follow me @ArmandoSalguero -- that I believe should be here as well.

Regarding Vonta Leach:

1. Today is a big day because it marks the first in which Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland is expected back at work after his vacation in, among other places, Australia. That return to work means he's able to actually talk to Leach agent Ralph Vitolo and negotiate a deal for the veteran if he's so inclined. The two have exchanged some text messages in the time both were on holiday during the past few weeks, but with training camp opening in less than a week and both sides at work, the stage is set for something to happen.

2. Is something going to happen at all? Well, the Dolphins want Leach for the right price. And Leach wants the Dolphins for the right price. (Isn't that always the case?) The Dolphins have made no secret of the fact coach Joe Philbin and offensive coordinator Mike Sherman seriously want Leach for an offense that could use some veteran leadership and also needs an upgrade at fullback. Leach wants to play in Miami because he sees the Dolphins as an up-and-coming team that has a chance to challenge for the playoffs this year, assuming everything goes well. Leach, by the way, also has a good sense of the Dolphins system. That should not be a problem.

3. So what do the sides want from each other? Well, the Dolphins don't want to spend a ton on Leach. Nobody does with fullbacks anymore. The position players there are endangered species. But for the Dolphins it means superior lead blocking and experienced pass blocking on early downs. That's important because presumed starting halfback Lamar Miller is inexperienced and could use some veteran help. It's important because any help the Dolphins can give LT Jonathan Martin on early passing downs with Leach blocking in the backfield on pass plays is good. It's important because Leach can be a stabilizing figure in the huddle. He's been there and done that. For Leach, he wants the opportunity of making one last solid contract. I've reported he wants a two- or three-year deal. He doesn't want a one-year deal because he wants some sort of stability. He likes the idea of being a leader. He likes the coaches and has a comfort level with them.

4. So what can get in the way? Well, Leach has a standing offer to return to the Ravens if he wishes. My sense is it's a low-budget offer and that's the reason he hasn't taken it. He wants to do better. But, the Ravens loom nonetheless because they are comfortable for Leach, familiar to Leach, they're defending Super Bowl champions, and they're proven. I remind everyone the Ravens have this way of swooping in at the last minute and re-signing players they value. Yes, they've lost talent this offseason due to cap constraints, but they have a way of pulling surprise moves  -- witness the Elvis Dumervil signing.

5. What does it all mean? The Dolphins have been trying to get better across the board at every position this offseason. They are clearly not thrilled with the work of Jovorskie Lane last year to the extent they can afford to offer him no training camp competition. If they sign Leach, Lane is in trouble. Leach would be the presumed starter and Lane's only chance of making the team is if Leach is a bust during camp or gets injured. Simply, Lane was inconsistent as a rookie. His weight, his knowledge of his assignments, his execution ... all inconsistent. It wasn't terrible. But the Dolphins simply want a chance to upgrade.

So we'll see what happens on this front ... See you later in the week. 

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Ricky Williams, stats aside, is easily one of the top 5 RBV's in NFL history.

Period.

Lacy hasn't done a thing to enter the conversation of all time greats.

Hate Lacy All You Want You Will See.

That Is My K.Dansby Prediction This Season.

I Will Put The Little Bit Of What I Know About Football On That.

Pennington Was The Smartest QB In Fins History. Guess Who He Is Tutoring.

P.White Was The Most Athletic QB. And T-Sizzle Is An Even Better Athlete And Way Better QB.

Ricky wins the rushing title while defenders were laughing in his face about how bad the offensive line was. Ricky was the Jim Brown of this millenia, only faster and with better hands

I'll take a weed toker over thugs and murderers any day. You let the media wipe your mind, don't let them wipe your aszs too.

*Than Milk In Your Mouth.

Posted by: Dashi | July 14, 2013 at 08:35 PM
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dashe does have an obsession with jizzle and swallowing. Most likely latent fantasies trying to emerge. It is a matter of him struggling to come out of the closet.

Dashi,

You are flipping a coin on Lacy. Looks like a fine back to me. He is no Ricky Williams and doesn't merit to be in the same sentence.

Ricky was the most talented player to ever wear a Dolphin uniform. That isnt saying he was the most productive although he earned almost all the Fin rushing records after only 2 years with the team.

Tanne is WORSE then Henne.

Hi Dashi,

Do you like to partay?

Ricky never cried after a game. Unlike another notable fin.

I lost 4 SB's and never cried once.

Again I Said Milk. Your Gay Adventure Asz Is the One Dreaming About Jizzle As you Say.

I Have Never Had Jizzle In My Mouth To Know What Color It Is. I Usually Spray It On Your Face. I'm Talking About The Milk You Drink From The Fridge. Or Do I Also Have To Say That. You Are Reading Into Things To Hard. Post The Rest Of That Post. It Was A Pretty Good Post If I Say So Myself.

Now I Said E.Lacy And R.Williams Are Similar. The Same Way L.Miller And L.Tomlinson Are. Yet, You Didn't Oppose To That.

You Are Comparing Lacy To T.Richardson And M.Ingram. Only Problem Is Lacy Was Better Than Ingram And Richardson While At Alabama. Agreed. The Other 2 Are Bust. But Lacy Is The Truth. T.Richardson Is OK. Cleveland Just Sucks.

They Made The New Rule Because Of E.Lacy. The League Knows. To Bad You Don't.

E.Lacy Doesn't Get Concussions, He Gives Them.

Dashi,

In your pure obsession with Eddie Lacy, youre totally blind to the FACT, Green Bay int a great run blocking oline. GB finished 20th in rushing last season. Miami finished 17th.

Finishing 20th in rushing cant all be attributed to quality of rb's on their roster. A lot can be attributed to many others places, like GB finishing 22nd in total defense, meaning Rodgers had to throw an awful lot to win games. Fins finished #12 in total defense.

So, if you expect Lacy to be dominant behind GB's predominantly pass protect oline, and a defense that wasn't close to top 10 overall last season. Then your mental masterbating without a condom.

Narino was a choker, cheater, and crier.

Dashe

You talk about milk in the mouth and try to say others are reading too much into it?

Grow up silly fool. Milk in your mouth only means one thing coming from a blogger obsessed with swallowing.

And you know it.

Marino

Hi there Dashi! SMOOCH!!!!!!

I'm Not Saying Lacy Is Ricky Williams. I'm Saying He Has R.Williams Like Potential.

Ricky Didn't Have A Bad Line In Miami. He Had A Horrible QB. J.Fiedler.

Lacy Fell To The Perfect Situation. Ricky Would've Been The Best RB In History If He Went To A Team Like GB.

Lacy Is The Best RB To Come Out Of Alabama In A While. Since S.Alexander.

Running Style Compares To Ricky.

He Would've Won The Heisman If M.Ingram And T.Richardson Weren't Such Horrible Pros. Giving It To Manziel Doesn't Look Like The Right Decision Now Does It?

ricky top 5??!?! hilarious just stop man

Lacy Played In a Predominately Run Offense And he Gained 6.8 Yds A Carry In The SEC.

Lacy Is Use To Seeing 8 And 9 In the Box.

I Doubt Teams Are Going to Be Stacking The Line Against GB. Lacy Doesn't Dance. Reggie In GB Won't Work. Lacy, Yes.

To Give You A Picture. GB Likes To Go 4 Wide. You Give A.Rodgers The Option To Pass Or Run A Draw Or Another Run Play With Lacy.

A la Ricky. DBs Don't Tackle Lacy. And Some LBs Either.

I agree with Dashi and I recommended that Ireland take Lacey with #12 overall.

And do not give me an excuse based on money because money has nothing to do with it.

Either you have a running game or you don't.
Green Bay has a running game.
We have our Ireland's thumb up our ass and we're hoping Leach shows up to pull it out. Good phucking luck with that.

Dashi,

Now I know you've lost your mind. AJ McCarron was easily the 2nd best qb to play in the SEC behind Johnny football.

He completed 211 of 314 attempts,3000yds, 30 tds. For 67% completion average too. He's probably Bama.s best qb since Willie Joe Namath.

"Lacy constantly ran against 8-9 in the box." Yeah, everytime teams tried that, AJ McCarron feasted on their secondary. McCarron forced defenses to have to play Lacy honestly most of the time.

As for Green Bay, I know you've lost your mind if you think they'll take the ball out of Rodgers hand to make Lacy a star. Pus, GB's run blocking unit isn't nearly as dominant as the one Lacy played behind at Bama.

You could drive moving vans through the holes of the defense that Bama olinemen created.

Dashi try reading this:

"Alabama QB AJ McCarron returns to Manning Passing Academy"
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/07/alabama_qb_aj_mccarron_returns.html

Had McCarron not played lights out last season himself. Bama's running game couldn't have been "as dominant" as it was last season. Probably still dominant, but, not at the same level.

Had AJ McCarron been in the 2013 draft, he's easily picked in the 1st rd, and arguably the 1st qb chosen.

Dashi, I guarantee McCarron would have been chosen ahead of Eddie Lacy.

The SEC is way overrated. More busts from there then any other conference.

17,
Slow your roll.
Stay in your lane.

You can't just start talking about the Packers like that.
The Packers never had to invent an offense because their QB was known as NoodleArm.
The Packers have never been accused of BACKDOOR football.
There has never been a banner, funded by fans, flown over the stadium demanding the firing of an Packer's employee.

Stay in your lane.

Woodshed,

Thanks for the tip. I have a good friend who lives in Edinburgh. I'm hopeful he's on the ball when it comes to places to go. I love all that stuff. Edinburgh's a great city!

Irescum cant draft a QB to save his life! lol Henne, Pat White, and Tanny all stunk.

*Than Milk In Your Mouth.

Posted by: Dashi | July 14, 2013 at 08:35 PM

So I guess dashi was talking about milk.

I do find it interesting how both dashi and odin always turn to homoTalk when retaliating.

Posted by: Craig M | July 15, 2013 at 09:41 PM

Also check out the night time underground tour of the city. Cool mideviel stuff!

Back to football, I do believe Lacy is the kind of back you would want in a 4 wide offense like Dashi says. You want that big back who can pick up a blitz and have that size and initial burst to open up the draw play. He should help GB out tremendously.

As far as our team goes, I think we will see a lot of double TE looks, some with Keller lined up as a 3rd WR. I think our personnel allows us to take a standard formation and create mismatches with our speed.

Dashi,

If I were to compare the running style of Eddie Lacy to another RB I've seen before in terms of running style it's Earl Campbell. Ricky measures up physically at 5'10"/230 Pds. but Ricky posted a 4.3/40 in 99 compared to Lacey's 4.41/40 at 5'11"/230 Pds. If you compare in terms of style initiating contact he compares much more favorably to Campbell who coincidentally was 5'11"/235 Pds although Earl was a tad slower running a 4.5/40.

Ricky if needed would take on the LB in the hole but wasn't his 1st choice. Ricky was always looking to run to daylight or catch a corner at the sideline his game much more rounded given his vision and ability to see things developing in front of him made him a homerun threat when in the open field cause of speed not a battering ram strictly between the tackles remember before 2010 Season he ran a 4.45/40 at camp which still made him the fastest RB on team at early 35 by then.

The truth is between his pot busts and loss of love for the game thanks to Wannstedt running his shoulders into brick walls at the line during the close to 400 carries he had in 04 we will never know what Ricky could have been given even with all the missed time he still ran for over 10,000 yds. in his career.

Lacy can run in the open field but between the tackles taking on and initiating the contact like Campbell did in his day. The problem lies in that Earl's career was real short due to injury drafted in 78 he was traded as an after thought to the Saints before the 83 Season washed up and Campbell didn't have the injury history coming out of Texas that Lacy has coming out of Bama. He needed to have a turf toe fused at the bone last time I heard that was when Deion Sanders got one in Dallas and his career was over given he couldn't break on the ball the same or run laterally anymore. He's a good risk on a good team but career will be short lived given style and toe problems that have ended other careers before.

Dashi and Odin same person??

Fin4life,

In your Earl Campbell/Lacey comparisons, I guess you forget that 30-35yrs ago, nfl lb's were only 225-235lbs. Today's lb's can range anywhere from 240 to 265lbs.

From your own mouth you say Lacey's 230lbs, compared to Campbell's 235lbs. So, 230lbs isn't anywhere close to the advantage Campbell had against like sized lb 30-35yrs. When Lacey will go against lb's weighing up to 265lbs.

Lacy will be slightly better than your average rb in the nfl. He wont be close to anything special. Your efforts to stroke Dashi's wetdream are totally fruitless.

considering Hopkins was rated higher than Sturgis all/most of the year, by all/most of the experts, why did we take Sturgis?

Posted by: I LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | July 15, 2013 at 11:28 PM



Lacy will be slightly better than your average rb in the nfl. He wont be close to anything special. Your efforts to stroke Dashi's wetdream are totally fruitless.

Posted by: I LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | July 15, 2013 at 11:28 PM

You obviously paid little attention to my points in the post I wrote. I was making a point about the running style of Lacy being more comparable to Campbell than Ricky Williams for the reasons I stated @ 10:09. I also made a point about the shortened career span of RB's when running through contact, I suggest you read again!

I had the privilege to watch Earl from his collegiate career to his pro career. In his health, which lasted into many years as a pro, he was a man against boys.
There is no way Lacy can even compare, at this point, to him in any other way than his physical size.
I really have my doubts that Lacy can be more influential in the Packers offense than Franklin, their fourth round pick.

I'll keep this simple....


GIVE LEACH 2 YEARS IF THAT IS WHAT IT WILL TAKE!

The way you have all the other big name FA contracts structured, our cap is in trouble for the next two years anyways so we are in 'win now' mode.

It's time for Pre Camp Predictions. Give your opinions as to whether or not you think we improved or not during the draft and Free Agency too. We have the room, don't be shy, feel free to elaborate.

My take....? Right off the bat, I think we'll have a much better record. We win the close ones this year. We were a 9 or 10 win team last year save for Carpenters misses and some other bone headed plays.

I would bet "Big Money" on 9 wins. We'll have good competition and a tough first 5 weeks. That will be a great test and a great way to build chemistry and continuity! After that, we'll be ready to roll. At least 9, maybe 10 or 11 if we catch some breaks. The extra pre season game will be a GREAT. There will be NO SpOrano/Jake Long type incidents under Philbin's watch.

Training Camp "SLEEPER", this year it's going to be Nate Garner. Ireland would hate for Garner to beat out Martin or Clabo. Ireland desperately wants to say he found a legit Left Tackle in the 2nd round. But Garner is FINALLY ready. Slow to develop, but continuously improved. Garner could have become the best Tackle on the roster. His problem will be beating out Ireland's Pet Projects Martin and Clabo. Garner will have to beat them badly to get a nod. Fortunately, Turner doesn't play favorites!

Moving on, I predict Jordan will be a 3 and 4 down starter. Coyle will implement schemes *FOR HIM* where he plays OLB, Rover and Straight Up, Pin The Ears Back DE! In contrast to what many expect, Coyle will EXPLOIT his talents and have him on the field MOST OF THE TIME. I predict he'll even block field goals and punts! They won't waste the no 3 overall picks talents by making him a situational pass rusher. POPPYCOCK-LOL!

I've been saying it since the day we drafted Sims, he'll be the perfect compliment to Keller. He'll lock up the no. 2 job easily.

Provided Louis doesn't have any setbacks, he beats out Jerry handily. Jerry in turn "Beefs Up" our Depth(excuse the pun-lol).

Grimes returns to form and plays at or near a Pro Bowl level. The REAL battles take place at the no. 2 corner and the nickle. I predict that Davis and Taylor go neck and neck. Together, both push Marshall from the start.

A lot of the overall success depends on our Run D forcing opponents into pass situations. Then of course our Pass Rush. Having said that, and just like a Homer, I predict our Run D will be better than last year(this translates to GREAT). Our pressure will be GREAT(Wake more than DOUBLED all pass rushers last year in getting pressures. He MORE THAN "LAPPED" EVERYONE). I predict that Oliver, Jordan, Shelby and Wheeler add up to success for Wake! These guys will help Wake not only get more pressures, he will actually get MORE sacks. The increased pressures/sacks gets our secondary the boost they need to be GREAT TOO!

Taylor and Davis will push Marshall from the start and get lots of playing time early on. I predict that Grimes, Taylor and Davis will be starting no later than Mid Season. Marshall, like Jerry, will be relegated to back up duties, solidifying our depth.

I know I didn't clarify in every instance above, but these are just my own personal opinions and predictions for this year.

I'd bet on at least 9 wins and our D developing into a nasty wicked Top 5 unit! Now go ahead.......Tear it apart-lol!

ValHalla!!!!

way too long to read above

odin,
In accordance with what you said, Jordan will be a multi-versatile tool. I think olivier will have a breakout year. Shelby will be an excellent role player.
Miller will be the rock. If we don't sign Leach, I think Thomas is the frontrunner for the FB spot. His best qualities are: he is good in the passing game and he can hit the spot. He can not read blocking, so he is useless as a HB in the zone scheme.
Someone you left out is Yeatman. I expect him to challenge and perhaps win an OL spot. If Martin falls down, he may be our boy.

I do find it interesting how both dashi and odin always turn to homoTalk when retaliating.

Posted by: Veerrrry Innaresting | July 15, 2013 at 10:05 PM
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Yeah, except Dashi and I weren't even here and look what YOU did-ROTFLMAO!

Go back and check Fri, sat and Sunday might.......LMAO!

You almost single handed-ly(excuse the pun feeAagTard)turned this place into a Rainbow Room Queenie Convention.

All you TWO talked about were sausages-ROTFLMAO!

Yep, it's ALL there in black and white, check the record ;)

BTW-How is it that you're always posting from Friday night through Sunday morning........?

Survey says: The Loser has NO Life!

Bhwaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

You obviously paid little attention to my points in the post I wrote. I was making a point about the running style of Lacy being more comparable to Campbell than Ricky Williams for the reasons I stated @ 10:09. I also made a point about the shortened career span of RB's when running through contact, I suggest you read again!

Posted by: fin4life | July 16, 2013 at 12:25 AM
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Ha Ha!

Ho Ho!

Is it A) The alcoholism, or B) The ADHD.........?

Bhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant!

It's C) ALL OF THE ABOVE - LOL...

Just saying......

Someone you left out is Yeatman. I expect him to challenge and perhaps win an OL spot. If Martin falls down, he may be our boy.

Posted by: Good Sense | July 16, 2013 at 04:08 AM
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Yeatman will be excellent when we're inside the 5.

I don't care if he comes in as a Tight End or Tackle Eligible-LOL!

He'll create another facet for the defense to contend with all by himself. If he's on my roster and has those types of skills, I'd find ways to exploit them.

Either way, the EXPERIMENT needs to end. Find a way to get him in the game or get rid of him. It's time to Rock and Roll!

way too long to read above

Posted by: the blog | July 16, 2013 at 03:08 AM
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Yeah, sorry about all those big words and letter things.

I got an idea. Hoist your fat ass up out of that broken down lazy boy, drag yourself up the basement stairs and get your Mommy to read it for you, no....?

If Travon Martin had been taught to have a little respect for authority he would still be alive.

Anywhoo, if you can read and comprehend at the same time, only the Troll was actually trying to compare a couple of rookies to Earl Campbell and Ricky Williams. That's ignorant in and of itself.

The two posters were comparing their running **STYLES**.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste(and I'm being serious here).

You simply cannot compare a couple of rookies with a couple of LEGENDS like Ricky Williams and Earl Campbell. And I would guess about 95% of the population knows this.

Come on Troll Boy, training Camp is about to start and you ain't nowhere near ready for the season! Buck It Up BOY!

If Travon Martin had been taught to have a little respect for authority he would still be alive.

Posted by: Stu | July 16, 2013 at 04:38 AM
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No real human being would come on a sports/Dolphins Blog at 4:38 in the morning to talk about Travon Martin.

So, once again, the resident Troll Boy fails to realize how obvious and ignorant he is.

Oooooooooooooo-Boy, I'll bet you're going to get some big rises of everyone with this, Giggity-Giggity, Huh....? I'll bet you just can't wait, Huh.....? Just squirming in your seat, Huh.....?

Boy, you are one sick Fvck! I'm out!
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I'll talk to you real posters later. Give up some feedback on your pre camp Predictions.


Trayvon went off on the wrong man. It's just that simple. This man had a gun, and he used it.
My predictions:
Yeatman makes the cut
Grey makes the cut
Thomas only makes it as a fullback if at all
Egnew will make it as a te/wr hybrid
I think there is a strong possibility that there is a trade of one of our DTs before the bye week.

Something that I am really intrigued by is the flexibility we present from our defensive players. This is very important in the fact that a good qb--Brady-- can't read our D from the players we have on the field. For example:
Odrick DT/DE
Starks DT/DE
Vernon DT/OLB
Jordan DT/OLB
Wilson S/CB as well as others in the secondary
I would not be surprised to Kaddu in a safety to blitz the QB.
The offense is not far behind in their versatility with the way the WRs can move around, and the way we have TEs that can move out and set in the backfield.

qam is right. u'r #3 over all doezn't sit on the bench that is just retardo.
and if tannehenne doezn't double his td's this season. say it. bbbbbbububbbbbb.
lol

Tannehill, D Thomas = more Irescum busts

I'd love to see Leach signed. Two year deal is fine with me. Protecting THILL and opening holes for Miller are both critical to the success of this offense.

Entering the year we have to feel pretty good about the score weapons (on paper) added to this team. Assuming no injuries these guys are really solid; Wallace, Keller, Miller, Hartline, and Gibson. The other three RB's are solid backups and the staff will find confidence in one of them to spell Miller.

The real concern on offense is LT and RG. If Martin, Lewis and/or Jerry step up and fill those positions well this offense is ready to go. If not, Miller and THILL will struggle and then the Press and Fans will get rowdy quick.

So, adding Leach helps cover for these OLINE question marks. It would be very smart to get him aboard. Overpaying him a bit would not be a bad idea to ensure the Ravens don't keep him last minute.

You guys talk so much crap Ross don't care are u dummies he would not buy a team to watch it go down the drain instead of always being negative try the possitive thought lets see what they do on the field jordan and wake r going to be monsters and lets talk tightens look at sims for your blocking tight ends give them a chance

I apologize for typing error I have been a dolphin fan for my whole life and just like everyone we have been thru hard time this is the year after year but I think this year is going to be different look at the fire power we have I might be nuts but I think mike Wallace will have 1900 Yds and 10-15 Touchdowns can not wait for season go dolphins!!!!!!!!!!

Odin,

I like your predictions (for the most part). We have a lot of talent on this team that's not going to make the final 53-man roster, but I suspect the majority of them will find work on other teams. There are some projects that I really hate to see leave; Jonas Gray, Jeff Fuller, etc. We can only stash so much on the Training Squad.

I still see us having 10 wins this season, despite the schedule.

GO FINS!!!

If Wallace can get 12 touchdowns then I'll be happy. I think the offense will be focused on moving the ball around to different players. I still think Mathews is going to factor in this offense this year, I liked what I saw from him last year.

Just read a Bleacher Report piece on break out players and it had 3 Fins, Tannehill, Miller, and Martin on it. If that works out we are looking good for the future.

Hey, Canadians, do you have fun when you go to Cuba? (wink, wink)

If Wallace can get 12 touchdowns then I'll be happy.

Posted by: Darkoak | July 16, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Fogetaboutit. TanneHenne will be lucky to get 12 TD'S.

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