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The Dolphins address various issues of note

What are the Dolphins saying their first full week of practice. Here are some snippets (love that word) on various topics:

Coach Joe Philbin on left tackle Jonathan Martin: “We saw a lot of progress, we saw developments there. His technique is good, he needs to work on his punch a little bit better, the consistency of the punch, but I thought overall he played well. He had five games roughly that he played at left tackle last year, so he needs to have frequent snaps but we’re expecting a lot.”

Is Philbin comfortable with the depth along the OL? “Not necessarily, I don’t know that I’m comfortable with the depth of any position yet. We’re still in that initial phase of camp, still a lot of teaching going on, not overly concerned with who’s getting a rep against who at this point in time. We’re more concerned about the volume of work that we can get done, the amount of things we can teach, get a look at it on the practice field, then go back and reinforce some of the things in the meeting room.  We haven’t really gotten to that stage yet, but I don’t know that I’m comfortable at a lot of positions yet."

What are John Jerry's thoughts on the OL? "We are going to be alright up front. We have five preseason games, so that will benefit a lot of guys."

Jerry on the eventual challenge from Lance Louis for his starting RG job: "I’m a competitor. Lance is a competitor. We are going to compete. We are going to help each other. We are going to make each other better."

But, but, but John, Lance Louis wants your job: "You know, I think he has that mindset, and I’ve got that mindset. At the same time, we are just trying to get better."

New receiver Mike Wallace and quarterback Ryan Tannehill haven't connected on any significan deep passes in live team periods yet. Is that a product of the installation of the offense, Mike? “We have different days where we do different things. I have all the confidence that Coach (Mike) Sherman is going to put it in how it is needed to be put in. I’m not really worried about that. I think that will come in due time. It is only day (four at practice). We have a lot more days to go at camp and especially before the regular season. I think everything will fall in place. I think they have a good plan in place for us."

Cameron Wake sort of took Olivier Vernon under his wings, so to speak, in the offseason and the two defensive ends -- one accomplished, one wanting to accomplish -- spent time together in the offseason.

What happened during that time, Cam Wake?

“He’s one of the guys I was talking to some of the guys earlier, he’s probably one of the most improved guys on the team.  I spent a little time with him in the offseason. He’s a guy who’s hungry and from the day he got here, you knew he was one of those guys with that mindset, being a small defensive end like me and some of the other guys on the team, you can’t go in there timid.  It’s not for the meek and mild. You have to go in there, throw your body in there, doesn’t matter if he’s 6’8 and 400 pounds, you have to go after him and tackle him.  It’s that pit bull mentality. It’s not the size of the dog in the fight; it’s the size of the fight in the dog. So he’s that kind of guy."

Does Wake like Vernon's approach?

"He came here with a lot of that, and I don’t want to toot my horn too much but, I like to think that I’m a guy that he can learn some things from and take some pieces of my game and incorporate his own style too.  He brought a lot already when he signed up here, but that guys is a hell of a player and I know he’s only going to get better."

 

 

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@ 3 headed Dolphin...I like your enthusiasm ...hope it proves prophetic..

Go Phins!

@ Teal.....really..after only 4 days of camp, some are already making comparisons and drawing conclusions! ?

.......intersting to say the least...

GO PHINS!!!

Posted by: Buster | July 25, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Comparisons yes, conclusions no. Big difference.

@ Teal ....i'm sorry...I thought you were concluding that Moore is the better QB , but will likely not start.....excuse my erroneous interpretation...

GO PHINS!!

Are you people kidding me? Everything that Mando quoted can be found on the team's official website, miamidolphins.com! Go there and watch the videos, listen to the podcasts, and read the blogs & news. Mando would have gotten an "F" in English 101 for plagiarism!
Lack of effort, using other people's stuff, and biased against the team...yeah...right...Mando is a great beat writer...c'mon man!

The Reason Moore Is Perceived As More Accurate Is Because He Uses The Kicking Football To Throw.

Matt Moore Fumbles A lot. He Has Little Hands.

Ryan Tannehill Is The Better Qb.

Pat Devlin Is Better Than Moore.

Pat Devlin Is The Most Accurate Qb On The Team. And He Is Money In The Clutch. Ice Water Runs Thru His Veins.

I Expect To See At Least 2-3 Qtrs Of Devlin Vs The Cowboys. Throwing To Matthews And Binns. With Egnew And Sims At TE.

Ryan Tannehill Should Only Play 2-3 Drives, Unless He Can Score A TD On His 1st Drive.

J Martin was rated the worst at his position in the entire 2012 NFL
yes, the worst

Martin allowed 47 hurries

If u dont know what that means
It means Tannehill had to get rid of the ball early cuz of Martin (a near sack)and the play prob got blown up

Also, the Dolphins were shutout when Martin started at LT.

The Reason Moore Is Perceived As More Accurate Is Because He Uses The Kicking Football To Throw.

Posted by: Dashi | July 25, 2013 at 12:34 PM

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In GAMES!!!??? He uses the "kicking" football to throw during a sceduled game????? Seriously????

..or is this referring to the ball he throws during drills...during PRACTICE??

Please enlighten the blog on this......

**scheduled**

The Reason Moore Is Perceived As More Accurate Is Because He Uses The Kicking Football To Throw.
Posted by: Dashi | July 25, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Have you ever witnessed a bigger moron?

Too much's being made of the absence of Tannehil?Wallace not yet connecting on the deep-deep ball. Although they have connected on a 30yd pass lay in broken coverage.

Its no brainer at some point during the season this will occur. However, the west coast offense is predicated on the receivers adequately knowing how to run the entire route tree.

Lots of slants and out patterns. As we're consistently hearing about Tannehill and Wallace connecting on right now. All it'll take is one missed tackle or slip by the db and Wallace can take one of those 50 plus yards to the house using that blazing speed.

Dooshy makes up fairy tales to suit his twisted agenda. Insane in the membrane? Delirious? Or just stupid?

The kicking ball.......? Hohohohahah

While more has nice deep ball, he isn't as versatile or decisive as Tannehill IMO.

On a lot of plays he dances around waiting for the coverage to breakdown for a big gain. This often leads to sacks and yes, he fumbles quite often.

Vonta Leach still loose?

@ Oscar....looks that way so far....

Please Mando...enough of the THILL & Wallace deep ball. I want to see chemistry built on slants and outs. The more Wallace touches the ball the better.

Wallace and Ben Roth created deep ball chemistry over time. Alot of that had to do with Ben Roth's ability to prolong the play.

THILL created great chemistry with Hartline and Bess. He will get there with Wallace, Keller and Gibson.

THILL has a lot to learn and the deep ball connection with Wallace is NOT priority one by any means. Things that are much more important in terms of THILL's development in practices are:

- Reading Defenses
- Avoid batted balls
- Red zone TD conversions
- Avoiding sacks and extending the pocket
- Creating chemistry with all new targets in terms of within 10-25 yards (this will be much more frequent than the bomb).

Stop it all ready with the deep ball....it's ridiculous.

Pat Devlin Is The Most Accurate Qb On The Team. And He Is Money In The Clutch. Ice Water Runs Thru His Veins.

I Expect To See At Least 2-3 Qtrs Of Devlin Vs The Cowboys.

Posted by: Dashi | July 25, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Has he even played a down yet in the pro's?

You expect 2 or 3 qts vs Cowboys? Not much of a prediction. Let's see, 2 or 3 drives for Tannehill and that leaves 3.5 quarters to split between Moore and Devlin.

Moore is good. How good I don't know but I wouldn't sell him short and I wouldn't be ready to say someone with no experience like Devlin is better than him.

@ JPAO...all valid points....kudos

Tanny just has to show the ability to hit the deep ball on occasion.. .....to keep the defense honest...and he's capable of that....

Go Phins!

Sports Science said Devlin was very accurate. That was in the test lab. But how accurate is he with de's and lb's getting ready to pummel him?

Nobody knows.

I also love the fact that Wallace is being moved around. This will allow him to at times have mismatches against 3rd cb's(slot) and teams 2nd cb's.

If a defense chooses to have their #1 corners follow Wallace all over the field pre snap. It'll force their slot and #2 corners to play in areas they ae not as familiar playing. Giving opportunity to exploit these small weaknesses.

With Wallace, Hartline, Gibson, we have a trio of starting wr's that are capable of lining up and operating at all 3 wr positions. Then throw in Keller, we should have one of the most explosive and difficult to deal with receiving corps in the entire nfl in 2013-14.

Tannehill would have to be extremely awful to screw this up.

First and foremost this offensive line has to come together.

The OL will be the downfall of the offense this year.

I think Moore s a top 10-12 QB who's career is being wasted for far worse QB's thajust because they were high draft picks. Moore would have easily had us in the playoffs last season. I guess they're hoping and praying that Tannehill has more upside then Moore, but it sure doesnt look like it.

@ Teal....now you said a mouthful.....most important key on Offense for me.....

We will be a run to set up the pass offense, not vice versa. Wallace ensures that if the safeties creep into the run box. Wallace will take the top off of their defense. Those safeties in the run box will just feel a breeze as Wallace is blowing by them.

There extremely few corners that can even stay in the same zip code as Wallace, in all out foot race downfield.

I remember a game against Pittsburgh a few seasons ago when Wallace ran past Sean Smith like Smith's feet were sealed in concrete. The result was a long td score on the play.

I'm hungry. Any suggestions for lunch?


First and foremost this offensive line has to come together.

Posted by: Teal | July 25, 2013 at 01:05 PM

We only read about the oline being dominated day 2 of practice when a barrage of exotic blitzes were thrown at them. Other than that, they have been solid while on the chemistry build.

Much will depend on if Tannehill truly has become more decisive this season. Decisiveness means "QUICKLY" recognizing the defensive looks and what its giving you as a qb, then "QUICKLY" getting the ball out into those areas of the field.

It Also Means T-Hill Plans To Run.

Clabo Is A Pretty Good RT. And Martin Has Played LT His Whole Life, Incognito Better Do His Job. I Would Actually Like To See J.Martin At LT And D.Thomas At LG. With Pouncey In The Middle. Move Incognito To The Right Side. Have Him Battle Jerry.

T-Hill Has A Full Set Of Weapons This Year.

Teams Won't Be Able To Rush 5 Or 6. Without Paying For It.

Safeties Will Have To Respect Both Sides Of The Field And The Middle Of The Field.

Gibson Was Paid Because He Is Guaranteed Production At #3 Or The Slot, He Will Battle Hartline For Catches. So Will Keller.

Egnew, Sims, Matthews And Binns Are This Years 4,5,6s.

Clay Is A Starter At FB.

L.Miller Can Run.

Teams Will Have Have To Cover 5 Guys On Every Play.

Plus T-Hill Can Run This Year.

(Just Don't Expect It In The Preseason.)

If You Saw Last Preseason You Saw Devlin Has Skill. Plus, He Is The Same Age As Tannehill.

Devlin Is The Smartest And Most Accurate Qb On The Team.

R.T-Hill Is The Most Athletically Gifted And Has The Strongest Arm.

But Devlin Is Like Pennington. He Gets The Ball Out Quick. He Doesn't Make Mistakes, Doesn't Take Risk. Like Tom Brady.

Yah..T-Hill plans to run....he plans to run to the bank every week or so to count all that bread.....

...then run home to his hot ol' lady for some family planning....

....but if anyone is looking for him running on the field for this seasons highlights, I think they'll have to look again..

...and with the potential from our receiving corp, and the promise of good things from L Miller, why would anyone want to see Tanny running..

..I want him in the pocket, with a clean uniform when the final gun sounds..
....dunno , maybe I'm the crazy one here....

Heavens to murgatroid, Mando! We got 5 preseason games to fix the O-Line.

lol...so why even have training camp if I'm following John Jerry's thoughts correctly.

Guys, Martin is a weak spot at LT, why couldnt we offer JL just a little bit more money?? I think we would of been fine keeping Davone Bess and not signining Brandon Gibson. For as bad as Martin was last season all we did is slide him into the most important position on the OL, makes no sense to me..
Posted by: Truth | July 25, 2013 at 11:08 AM

BPOTD!

only 1 qb has more long ball comp. than m m.
uhhuh. c palmer. wtf do u get u'r info?
lol

'member jaime nails -66?
that's the last time the ol was decent.
lol

@ Jack.....I hear ya....but I think Jerry is trying to say that it's a slow process, a learning process, and there is time for it to come together, but I don't read it as him dismissing the value of camp...that would be foolhardy to say the least....

"By every account I have read, Moore has been the best and most consistent QB."

1. I think it was James Walker (ESPN) said RT17 had the better stats.

2. Moore IS going up against the 2nd stringers and from what I have read, there is quite a drop-off from the starters to them.

In no ways will Tannehill be a running qb, but a play or 2 during games, Im expecting to see some read option incorporated.

Where I expect to see Tannehill benefit from his qb speed most is on scrambles.

Think about it, with all of these recievers he has that "STRETCH THE FIELD". Add this to Tannehill's wr quality speed, and he'll be a threat to pick up 20-30yds per scramble because his recievers have "STRETCH THE DEFENSE" so thin.

lux
bob3
r wilson
weeden
.................................................thenne
lol

m m was told 2 b twice as prepared as the next #2 qb in the nfl for a reason.
lol

go finsssssssssssssssssss

running qb?.lmao
yeah,pat white was a running qb also.
lol

Martin is the weak link that will break, easily, when the passing game needs him most. As good as the Draft and FA may turn out to be, the failure to acquire a for-real LT, and the trust they have placed in Martin, are Fatal Flaws.

@ FinFanMan.......that makes sense....bottom line...the Coaches will live and die with Tanny this season...no knock intended on MM, but the investment..moneywise and timewise, is Tanny...

...barring injury, or falling flat on his face terrible, this season is his to make or break...

Go Phins!!

Posted by: FinFanMan13 | July 25, 2013 at 01:30 PM

Also, Tannehill has the best completion percentage , thus far, of all of the qb's in camp.

wholey swiss cheese.
u blind knucklehead homers ain't 'memeber jm @ lt doing backwards somersaults in that 28-zip blasting the pats gave the phins huh.?
lol

1 td in 4 practices.
lmao. thenne.

Cam Wake is the best. In case any of you haven't seen it, here's a link to a special done by TSN, when Wake was terrorizing QBs up here in Canada. Inspiring guy, especially his attitude towards television!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIUaFdHL0wY

Philbin on Jonathan Martin:

“We saw a lot of progress, we saw developments there. His technique is good, he needs to work on his punch a little bit better, the consistency of the punch, but I thought overall he played well.

He had five games roughly that he played at left tackle last year, so he needs to have frequent snaps but we’re expecting a lot.”

There you have it, stright from the horses mouth. I think I feel much more inclined to believe Philbin on this, rather than a bunch of amateur unemployed bloggers.

@ 2Watt...so maybe he is swiss cheese...maybe not....but we're fixin' to find out...but from where I sit, I'm pulling for the guy to come back a better LT this season than last...hope I'm right..because if he makes an A grade...we've got a shot at winning season...

GO PHINS!!!!

2watt,

The starting personnel on both sides of the ball has been upgraded. This isn't close to the same team that lost 28-0 in the Pats 2012 season finale.

Hel, in 2013, it wont even be the same Pats team we faced in 2012. Have you been keeping up with the offseason developments of both teams?

For the life of me, I cant understand how some of you focus on the 2 sacks that were given up by J-Mart the season finale at New England.

Yet have "ZERO" recollection of the "5 SACKS" given up by the "RIGHT SIDE" of the oline by Garner.

This was the most atrocious part of the entire game. 7 sacks given up by the oline. 2 by Martin, and one of those was a "MISCOMMUNICATION" between he and COGS, about who was supposed to pick up the blitzer.

So, imo, 1 of the 2 sacks given up by Martin, was on COGS. Martin looked bad because he was out of position trying to make an attempt to block the guy. It was COGS who should have picked him up.

What are John Jerry's thoughts on the OL? "We are going to be alright up front. We have five preseason games, so that will benefit a lot of guys."
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Basically, they are NOT alright --up front-- NOW. Then he says we have 5 pre-season games. Now that suggest to me that he expects they will learn nothing in training camp that will prepare them for the REGULAR SEASON.

How old is Dashi?

a. 9
b. 11
c. 6

"ALRIGHT" isn't a great analogy to come from anyone. Using the term "ALRIGHT" screams to me that "ALRIGHT is GOOD ENOUGH" in Jerry's mind.

NFL players who think that "ALRIGHT IS GOOD ENOUGH" in the NFL. These players are usually labeled as, "UNDERACHIEVERS" in this league.

Being "ALRIGHT" I don't believe that John Jerry will hold onto his starting spot very much longer. But, who knows, maybe this will be "ALRIGHT" with Jerry when it happens.

Snippets=stolen from someone else...

Not JUST focusing on 2 sacks v. NE

Focusing on overall poor play, proven beyond a doubt statistically AND via eyeball-test.

An the fact that Philbin sees him everyday & APPARENTLY (& rather weakly) deems him a starter, means nothing.

Many coaches, good & bad, have deemed many awful players as starter-worthy.

In sum: Martin sux.

Whenever my wife cooks a meal I didn't particularly enjoy. When she asks me, how was it dear? I'll say, it was "ALRIGHT". Which for me, means I hated it! LOL...

re Martin @ LT.....I just think we have to be patient....wait and see if the light goes on, and he gets it....5 pre-season games....that should be a good barometer..

..why keep going back to last season?....maybe the player has the upside needed to improve....the Coaching staff is acutely aware of what improvements he needs to make..

...they seem to be upbeat and optimistic about his chances...with that in mind I think J Martin gets the benefit of a wait and see...

...I'm pullin' for him

GO J Martin Go Phins!!!

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