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The Dolphins address various issues of note

What are the Dolphins saying their first full week of practice. Here are some snippets (love that word) on various topics:

Coach Joe Philbin on left tackle Jonathan Martin: “We saw a lot of progress, we saw developments there. His technique is good, he needs to work on his punch a little bit better, the consistency of the punch, but I thought overall he played well. He had five games roughly that he played at left tackle last year, so he needs to have frequent snaps but we’re expecting a lot.”

Is Philbin comfortable with the depth along the OL? “Not necessarily, I don’t know that I’m comfortable with the depth of any position yet. We’re still in that initial phase of camp, still a lot of teaching going on, not overly concerned with who’s getting a rep against who at this point in time. We’re more concerned about the volume of work that we can get done, the amount of things we can teach, get a look at it on the practice field, then go back and reinforce some of the things in the meeting room.  We haven’t really gotten to that stage yet, but I don’t know that I’m comfortable at a lot of positions yet."

What are John Jerry's thoughts on the OL? "We are going to be alright up front. We have five preseason games, so that will benefit a lot of guys."

Jerry on the eventual challenge from Lance Louis for his starting RG job: "I’m a competitor. Lance is a competitor. We are going to compete. We are going to help each other. We are going to make each other better."

But, but, but John, Lance Louis wants your job: "You know, I think he has that mindset, and I’ve got that mindset. At the same time, we are just trying to get better."

New receiver Mike Wallace and quarterback Ryan Tannehill haven't connected on any significan deep passes in live team periods yet. Is that a product of the installation of the offense, Mike? “We have different days where we do different things. I have all the confidence that Coach (Mike) Sherman is going to put it in how it is needed to be put in. I’m not really worried about that. I think that will come in due time. It is only day (four at practice). We have a lot more days to go at camp and especially before the regular season. I think everything will fall in place. I think they have a good plan in place for us."

Cameron Wake sort of took Olivier Vernon under his wings, so to speak, in the offseason and the two defensive ends -- one accomplished, one wanting to accomplish -- spent time together in the offseason.

What happened during that time, Cam Wake?

“He’s one of the guys I was talking to some of the guys earlier, he’s probably one of the most improved guys on the team.  I spent a little time with him in the offseason. He’s a guy who’s hungry and from the day he got here, you knew he was one of those guys with that mindset, being a small defensive end like me and some of the other guys on the team, you can’t go in there timid.  It’s not for the meek and mild. You have to go in there, throw your body in there, doesn’t matter if he’s 6’8 and 400 pounds, you have to go after him and tackle him.  It’s that pit bull mentality. It’s not the size of the dog in the fight; it’s the size of the fight in the dog. So he’s that kind of guy."

Does Wake like Vernon's approach?

"He came here with a lot of that, and I don’t want to toot my horn too much but, I like to think that I’m a guy that he can learn some things from and take some pieces of my game and incorporate his own style too.  He brought a lot already when he signed up here, but that guys is a hell of a player and I know he’s only going to get better."

 

 

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Posted by: Bobby Luie | July 25, 2013 at 02:07 PM

Actually, Martin didn't look anymore worse for wear than Jake Long looked over the entire season before going down for the final 5 games.

Long was below acceptable standards himself. The Rams may be in for a "very Long" rude awakening this year.

Clabo Is A Pretty Good RT. And Martin Has Played LT His Whole Life, Incognito Better Do His Job. I Would Actually Like To See J.Martin At LT And D.Thomas At LG. With Pouncey In The Middle. Move Incognito To The Right Side. Have Him Battle Jerry.

T-Hill Has A Full Set Of Weapons This Year.

I completely agree Dashi. A lot of the blitz pressure on Tannehill came up Cog's gap. Dallas Thomas has quicker feet (quick enough to play LT if needed to) and looks better at staying on his feet while run blocking. Put Cogs in at RG and we have upgraded our pass protection and screen passing game.

The problem right now, I believe that would be too much inexperience on the left side of the line. I hope Martin and Thomas both pick up the system well enough to make that switch this year. In any case, I think it will happen next year for sure.

Not only has Jake Long's performance deteriorated in pass protect. There was great deterioration transforming in his run blocking too.

Jake Long seems fast heading the "TONY BOSELLI" route.

we're all hoping Martin can play a solid LT......but nobody would be surprised if we regret not upgrading that position in the draft or free agency--its early so Im hopeful but dont forget that thats where the mindset was 2-3 months ago, when Long left and no FA (LT) was signed--Wallace/Keller/Grimes/Jordan were the splashy headlines, but if Martin is lousy then none of it works very well. He should make a big leap in year 2 so not sure the stats from last year are too meaningful....hoping thats the case anyway--and the Clabo signing was bland, but huge.

Our choices with Jake Long were simple:

1) Pay him huge and bring in less FA talent to stay under the cap. This would stunt Martin's development if and when he had to play LT by week 12, when Long gets on the PUP list.

2) let Jake go and let Martin develop as a solid LT, using $10,000,000 to pick up talented FA's.

I think we made the right decision.

Okay....I can live w/ that Buster. It's not that I want him to crash & burn, it's more that based on evidence thus far I FEAR that he will crash & burn.

Early-onset Dolphin Panic-Disorder.


The problem right now, I believe that would be too much inexperience on the left side of the line.

In any case, I think it will happen next year for sure.


Posted by: The Woodshed Gang | July 25, 2013 at 02:19 PM


2 very good analogies.

With his vast experience, Cogs can better recognize defensive looks but don't have the quick enough feet. The rookie may have the quicker feet, but isn't experienced enough to recognize all of the defensive looks.

Even with great experience you at times miss something(Cogs).

Noteworthy......it's only the first week of camp..
there may be changes in who plays where before the season begins....we just have to wait...and hope the Coaches do the job they are paid big bucks to do, and put together the BEST combination of 5 players among those available...this is why patience is a great asset so early into the new season.....

The offseason signing that went totally under the radar, is that of "VAUGHN MARTIN".

Now, this "MARTIN" has been a camp terror thus far. He's beginning to look like this offseason's "GREATEST STEAL"!

LOL @ BobbieLouie....."Early-onset Dolphin Panic-Disorder".....I hear ya!

Heck, without looking it up, I cant even tell you where Vaughn Martin played last season. LOL...

gotta say that I'm enjoying the fact that the roster overall has been upgraded (I think most would agree), with better depth/talent/youth/speed, and a higher level of competition at numerous positions--doesnt hurt that we raised our visibility with signings like Wallace, Keller and Grimes (good players with credibility)--most feel that we had a solid draft and free agency period (hardly the norm in recent years)--yes, wins have to follow but its nice to shed the recent bumbling label, and to be relevant again at least.

I really am stunned at the amount of discussion around Jake Long. A #1 draft pick with ONE winning Season, ONE playoff appearance (a loss) and ONE (maybe 2) 16-games-played Seasons. Sure, he was a beast for a few years, I repeat, ONE WINNING SEASON.

This team owes him nothing. The fans should spend their time thinking about players who actually MATTERED in Miami even though they never won anything (Marino, Duper, Clayton, Webb, Zach Thomas, JT, Sam Madison, etc.).

Long can be fondly remembered if you wish, but for me, it will be a memory not necessarily of him as a football player, but an awful decision by the Trifecta to draft a lineman before having the QB in place. Fatal mistake that should live in infamy.

Now can we please turn the page to the present (it's a much brighter day)!!!

1 td in 4 practices.
lmao. thenne.
Posted by: 2 watt | July 25, 2013 at 01:40 PM
And that is with Tannereach in the red zone O 90% of the practice time.LAMO

hey thanks Stu, and I know Jets fans are easily confused, but the Jets blog is on nydailynews.com

um db, he is playing against a turnstile don't forget.
lol

Some familiar names are back, that is a good thing

OK FINFANS

READY FOR THE POLL OF THE DAY?


WHEN WILL TANNEHILL BE MOVED TO WR?

A) AFTER THE BYE WEEK

B) AFTER THIS SEASON

C) HE'LL BE TRADE BAIT FIRST

D) WHO CARES? LETS GO HEAT!

@ DC Dolfan....100% in agreement....that was then....this is now....things are looking up from this point on....looking forward to an exciting season of Doplphin football...

GO PHINS!!!

oops...too many p's in Doplphin...lol....

C

Jake leaving was the indication that Martin was drafted to replace him. Right or wrong that seems to be the decision there.

Martin was deemed expendable in SD, but he was a valued prospect for them. Glad to see Ike is working out, it'll make possibly losing Starks next year not as painful.

The Dolphins get rid of all their top players, Jake Long, Karlos Dansby, Brandon Marshall, Reggie Bush, Steve Smith, Wes Welker. And then they wonder why they stink.

They Tried To Draft A Lineman With The QB. The Problem Was It Was A Weak QB Draft Like This Season.

Then They Wasted A 2nd Rd Pick On P.White For The Wildcat.

They Did The Same Thing Last Draft. But It Was A Stronger QB Draft.

When did we have Steve Smith?

TE Dustin Keller called Dion Sims, a fourth-round pick from Michigan State, "one of the better rookie tight ends I've seen," and noted he blocks, runs routes and catches the ball well. "He's a real pro and he has a bright future ahead of him."

I like this!!

Hey Allan.....assuming you meant Sean Smith (you do follow the Dolphins, right?), the team mostly stunk with those "top" players.....still wondering why they got rid of them? (or are you still wondering if we had Steve Smith?)--pick it up a little, bro

The Dolphins get rid of all their top players, Jake Long, Karlos Dansby, Brandon Marshall, Reggie Bush, Steve Smith, Wes Welker. And then they wonder why they stink.
Posted by: Allan | July 25, 2013 at 03:11 PM

But hey, they kept M Egnew and D Thomas!!

It is literally not even one week of practice!!

This coaching staff is it's second year. They know what this team needed. I really believe uncle Jeffey gave them what they needed.

Let's get these coaches to coach these guys up! A full camp! Full offensive system is in.

To me the best pickup was Brent Grimes!! This guy is a straight baller and by many a top 5 corner!! We haven't had that in a long time. Just have to keep him healthy.

Sims is a younger, slightly more dynamic and MUCH cheaper Fasano, which isnt bad--direct replacement.....we just need to make sure we find or keep a more dynamic TE as a complement.....Keller or whoever

2010 Delaware 384Att 261Comp 68.0% 2,812Yds 22TD 3INT

Pat Devlin Senior Year In College.

He Won't Replace T-Hill, But He Will Make A Good #2 Behind Him.

2010 Delaware 384Att 261Comp 68.0% 2,812Yds 22TD 3INT
Pat Devlin Senior Year In College.
He Won't Replace T-Hill, But He Will Make A Good #2 Behind Him.
Posted by: Dashi | July 25, 2013 at 03:38 PM

KEEP DREAMIN

Didn't Flacco go to Deleware?
If so then I can only conclude that Deleware is a manly place to go to college.

Flacco had a monster season.


The Dolphins get rid of all their top players, Jake Long, Karlos Dansby, Brandon Marshall, Reggie Bush, Steve Smith, Wes Welker. And then they wonder why they stink.

Posted by: Allan | July 25, 2013 at 03:11 PM

First of all, when the hell did Steve Smith ever play for he Dolphins. If ever, his contribution was sooo.... quiet only you remember.

2NDLY, Wes Welker? IMO, it wasn't letting Welker go that was the real crime. The crime was what we did with the 2nd rd pick that we got for him.

3RDLY, This regime has "ZER)" to do with any of that.

Now, Jake Long? He's now only a pro bow bowler in "name recognition" alone. He's fast becoming the 2nd coming of Tony Boselli.

Karlos Dansby? Wake me up when he finally becomes a pro bowler. The guy that says he's "the best lb" in the NFL, single handily cost us two games last season with two "PIC 6" drops Those couldn't have been easier catches if those balls were attached to strings.

Bush? He could have been a 1,000 rusher last season, had he not lost 100yds dancing in the backfield trying to hit the "homerun" every play.

Brandon Marshall? He needs 25 targets a game to get his 7 receptions-plus per game. That's all he really cares about.

Finally. At least 3 players sign this offseason with pro bowl potential play. Mike Wallace, Dustin Keller, and Grimes. I'll take that swap anyday!

Why do people keep saying we could have had Matt Ryan when we could have had someone better, Flacco ?


They Tried To Draft A Lineman With The QB. The Problem Was It Was A Weak QB Draft Like This Season.

Then They Wasted A 2nd Rd Pick On P.White For The Wildcat.

They Did The Same Thing Last Draft. But It Was A Stronger QB Draft.

Posted by: Dashi | July 25, 2013 at 03:19 PM

We took Henne with the Welker pick in 08, Henne was highly regarded enough that Ozzie Newsome has been quoted as saying he didn't make up his mind about drafting Delaware St.'s (small Div. 1-AA) Flacco over Henne till he was on the clock.

Then the question becomes how would have the Parcells/Henning philosophy of the QB not needing to win just not lose have affected Flacco's career as a Dolphin?? Flacco his rookie Yr. was a strong armed QB who took a few shots down field and when wrong had that vaunted D to bail him out. In Miami Henning would have had his head on a plate for improvising/thinking/audibling/GOD forbid airing it out.

These things hurt Henne's development alot given he played freely off the bench in 09 even winning a couple of Div. games at home coming from behind Vs. the Jets on Monday night and late in Season against Pats. He came into 2010 looking over his shoulder playing stiff and tight with the shadow of CARETAKER EXTRORDINAIRE Pennington hovering while he recovered from shoulder surgery even being made a team Capt. while on IR.

Henne was RIGHT to worry about going against any play call even if he saw single coverage with 8 or 9 in the box given his head was always on a swivel playing out of fear instead of to win. He eventually gets benched for a play vs. Tenn. before Bubble gum Penny threw out his shoulder again. I don't want anybody to miread me I believe Henne a mediocre middle of the pack guy but also believe him better than what he showed here. Allowed to play with the deep ball in his arsenal he's proved he can make plays with a few of his games last Yr. in Jax. facts are facts!

Every NFL coach that Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler have had has been fired.

And Mando - Brandon Marshall didn't 'ball' last season. BM had 1500 receiving yards but the next WR on the roster only had like 250 yards. That means Marshall is bringing down the passing game not lifting it up.

Tanne had more yards to his top 2 WRs than Cutler did.

It is always the could of and would of gang. This team is primed to make a statement to this league! We just need to stay healthy.

There is no question this team is more talented than last year. Can we just give them time to gel!

I have complete confidence in this coaching staff.

Jeff Ireland should get a 30yr 1st degree grand larceny sentence for pulling off the Brent Grimes to replace Sean Smith fa signing. Smith isn't even close to Grimes playing league.

I'll take Wallace over Marshall any day. Wallace is far more explosive.

Keller over Fasano? We dont even need to have this conversation.

Miller is a pure rb that also has ability to be a highlight reel. Bush is a highlight reel that can play rb in a pinch.

Jake Long? Tony Boselli?

Every player lost was either upgraded with a fa signing, or the upgrade was presently on the team. Yes, including Jake Long.

Philbin saw the tape of Long his first offseason here and saw Tony Boselli. That's why he had Ireland draft Jonathan Martin.

Jake Long had gotten progressively worse all 3 of his last seasons in Miami. At least the arrow is pointing up for Martin, while down for Long. This is why Jake Long is now, "LONG GONE".

Why all the concern that Tannehill isn't throwing touchdown passes? It's called practice. If he already knew how to throw touchdowns, he wouldn't need to practice it. With enough practice, I am very confident he will be able to throw a touchdown. After all, Tannehill was hand-picked by Jeff Ireland, widely regarded as a personnel genius.

IRA,
I agree with you.
Tanne does not need to prove he can throw a TD because he did that last season many times.
What Tanne needs to do is throw a few of the posters in here down a flight of stairs.

Henne was highly regarded enough that Ozzie Newsome has been quoted as saying he didn't make up his mind about drafting Delaware St.'s (small Div. 1-AA) Flacco over Henne till he was on the clock.

Posted by: fin4life | July 25, 2013 at 04:23 PM

Ahem..............

A qb cant be that highly regarded if he's a division 1 qb, and you're trying to decide whether to draft him or a qb from division 1-A(much lower competition level.

That the qb(Flacco) from the lower competition level(Division 1-A) was taken instead. Tells me Ozzie was never 100% sold on Henne to begin with.

It should be a HUGE nobrainer to select a Division 1 qb over a Division 1-A qb. Henne HUGELY flunked that test in Ozzie's eyes.

DB/YG is a bag of hot air.

ETF,

Exactly why I posted all Marshall cares about is his 7 receptions per game(100-plus rec per yr.). Problem with that is he demands the qb target him 20 times a game to get those 7 recs.

This means the other 13 targets he gets are drops and incomplete passes by the qb.

Theres a reason Marshall hasn't made the playoffs his whole career with 3 different teams and all of his coaches were fired. Well said YG.

Grimes is going to be a huge upgrade over Smith and I'm looking forward to watching him. The CB will be making plays and not dropping Ints for once.

Volume of qb passing td can at times be overrated. 30-40% of high volume td throwing qb's come as a result of his receivers making spectacular catches, spectacular effort, or great runs after the catch.

Not since Duper-Clayton have we had wr's capable of this. Even Marino began to look closer to mortal when Duper and Clayton were done in Miami.

Yes, you need a great qb, but that great qb also needs great receivers to look like an "IMMORTAL" too!


DB/YG is a bag of hot air.

Posted by: Shawn | July 25, 2013 at 04:39 PM


Why thank you! I'll take that as a great compliment Fin4, considering between your ears there exists an ever-blowing cool breeze.

Let me guess, youre "blonde" aren't you?

YG/DB describing his mother.

Posted by: NeMo | July 25, 2013 at 04:48 PM

Jerry Rice is the nfl's all time leader in touchdowns. Had Rice been targeted 20 times a game, like Marshall demands. Rice would have doubled his all time leader in nfl tds receptions mark.

Yes, Marshall raised his td receptions with the Bears last season. However, Cutler targeted him 194 times. His two seasons in Miami he was targeted 147 and 145 times. Cutler targeted nearly 50 times more to produce only 5 more tds.

Marshalls season high in tds with Miami was 6.

Are you ladies bickering again?

You are a disgrace to the lesbian community.

Jeff Ireland is about to go in the record books for 2 things:

1 Most consecutive losing seasons by a GM without being fired

and

2 Most draft busts ever picked by a GM.

In 2010, Mike Wallace was targeted only 100 times and had 10 tds. 2012 Brandon Marshall targeted 194 times and 11 tds.


It should be a HUGE nobrainer to select a Division 1 qb over a Division 1-A qb. Henne HUGELY flunked that test in Ozzie's eyes.

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | July 25, 2013 at 04:37 PM

It could have gone either way and they could have taken Henne in what was basically a coin flip decision. By the way Flacco wasn't the Div. 1-AA QB or small Conf. one taken. There was Steve McNair 3rd overall in 95. How about Big Ben out of Mami of Ohio in the Mid-Atlantic Conf. going 7th to Pitt. to name a couple off the top of my head. You know this Dying Breed heck the Bills took Tulane's JP Losman in the top 20 picks just a decade ago!

Ireland is not even close to the worst GM ever with most losing seasons, Matt Millen is.

No, you are wrong. Only the Miami Dolphins have made bad picks in the draft. Every single other team in the NFL gets it 100% right every single draft.


Jerry Rice is the nfl's all time leader in touchdowns.

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | July 25, 2013 at 05:06 PM

He also coincidentally went to tiny Miss. Valley St. (Div-1AA)

The most receptions Wallace ever had in a single season is 72 recs.

A guy like Wallace blazing speed, I believe Philbin/Sherman would probably like to see the number raised to 85-90 recs per year. That's why I believe right now we see more focus thus far in camp of getting Wallace more adapted to perfecting the "the route tree", than perfecting the "9-route". They already know he can do that well.

If Wallace becomes a wr that perfects the route tree. Then 85-90 catches per year will make him look Jerry Rice-like. Just imagine the pressure a defense faces with the ball in Wallace's hand 85-90 times a season?

Is Wallace any better then Ireland fav Clyde Gates?

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