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The Dolphins address various issues of note

What are the Dolphins saying their first full week of practice. Here are some snippets (love that word) on various topics:

Coach Joe Philbin on left tackle Jonathan Martin: “We saw a lot of progress, we saw developments there. His technique is good, he needs to work on his punch a little bit better, the consistency of the punch, but I thought overall he played well. He had five games roughly that he played at left tackle last year, so he needs to have frequent snaps but we’re expecting a lot.”

Is Philbin comfortable with the depth along the OL? “Not necessarily, I don’t know that I’m comfortable with the depth of any position yet. We’re still in that initial phase of camp, still a lot of teaching going on, not overly concerned with who’s getting a rep against who at this point in time. We’re more concerned about the volume of work that we can get done, the amount of things we can teach, get a look at it on the practice field, then go back and reinforce some of the things in the meeting room.  We haven’t really gotten to that stage yet, but I don’t know that I’m comfortable at a lot of positions yet."

What are John Jerry's thoughts on the OL? "We are going to be alright up front. We have five preseason games, so that will benefit a lot of guys."

Jerry on the eventual challenge from Lance Louis for his starting RG job: "I’m a competitor. Lance is a competitor. We are going to compete. We are going to help each other. We are going to make each other better."

But, but, but John, Lance Louis wants your job: "You know, I think he has that mindset, and I’ve got that mindset. At the same time, we are just trying to get better."

New receiver Mike Wallace and quarterback Ryan Tannehill haven't connected on any significan deep passes in live team periods yet. Is that a product of the installation of the offense, Mike? “We have different days where we do different things. I have all the confidence that Coach (Mike) Sherman is going to put it in how it is needed to be put in. I’m not really worried about that. I think that will come in due time. It is only day (four at practice). We have a lot more days to go at camp and especially before the regular season. I think everything will fall in place. I think they have a good plan in place for us."

Cameron Wake sort of took Olivier Vernon under his wings, so to speak, in the offseason and the two defensive ends -- one accomplished, one wanting to accomplish -- spent time together in the offseason.

What happened during that time, Cam Wake?

“He’s one of the guys I was talking to some of the guys earlier, he’s probably one of the most improved guys on the team.  I spent a little time with him in the offseason. He’s a guy who’s hungry and from the day he got here, you knew he was one of those guys with that mindset, being a small defensive end like me and some of the other guys on the team, you can’t go in there timid.  It’s not for the meek and mild. You have to go in there, throw your body in there, doesn’t matter if he’s 6’8 and 400 pounds, you have to go after him and tackle him.  It’s that pit bull mentality. It’s not the size of the dog in the fight; it’s the size of the fight in the dog. So he’s that kind of guy."

Does Wake like Vernon's approach?

"He came here with a lot of that, and I don’t want to toot my horn too much but, I like to think that I’m a guy that he can learn some things from and take some pieces of my game and incorporate his own style too.  He brought a lot already when he signed up here, but that guys is a hell of a player and I know he’s only going to get better."

 

 

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Typical YG when frustrated , stfu.

I always felt we should go get a Center and kick Pouncey over to LG but that's just me given I've never been a big fan of Cogs slow feet in any blocking scheme associated with the 21st Century NFL.

Posted by: fin4life | July 25, 2013 at 10:51 PM
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I always FELT........

Hmmmmmmmm.........

Did he say: I always FEEL......?

Did he say: I FEEL........?

NOPE! He said: I always FELT........

YG, Mike, are you TWO(LOL)getting any of this......?

Great, great......GOOD!

CLASS DISMISSED!!!!

Posted by: Mike | July 25, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Mike,

Because you disagree with fin4 losers great illogic, he thinks youre me under a different screen name.
Don't waste your time on a "fin4loser" brother.

fin4llife,

Here is an idea, why not make Mike Wallace a FB and make Javorskie Lane a WR?


News Flash, many of the pundits now are saying Mike Pouncey is already better than his brother, the 'real' Center.

Just maybe the coaches with 20+ years pro experience know a tad bit more than you do.

Posted by: oscar canosa | July 25, 2013 at 11:52 PM


Feels great that all of your troll screen names are now being accused of being me doesn't it Oscar?

Well, at least you and I know the real truth and that's all counts right? LOL...

Hey, maybe Egnew can play center since we don't need him at TE. Let's just move Pouncey over.

We are cornering him bit by bit.

To tell the truth, I believe there's no one in this blog but Oscar and me.

Oscar is resident genius of creating troll screen names and having them have conversations with themselves and the 1-2 live posters really here.

But you know I'm watching, lol. Honestly if you just stop trying to win arguments at all costs on here (name changing, not admitting you're wrong, fabricating "facts", insulting people that don't agreed with you, etc. etc.) we'd be good.

Now I don't endorse Odin and those guys getting into slam fests with you or anyone else. It derails the football talk completely and ruins the blog for everyone else. But you have to start somewhere.

Oh, yeah, you'll exlain that way by saying Im using the Mike screen name to. Anyone disagreeing with you twinks is always me using another screen name.

De-Nile isn't a river in Egypt you know. LOL...

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | July 25, 2013 at 11:38 PM
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ROTFLMAO - as he's trying to deny using aliases.

Twinks? YG, really?

As in Twinks are Us......?

Dude, the more you babble, the worse off you are. You discredit yourself. You're worthless!

Ok, everyone has their opinion. But the one single player who is absolutely the best at his position on the whole team is not the player you try somewhere else.

Let's make ourselves worse at center. What a great idea for winning more games.

Once I busted Oscar on his troll screen names. Then when busted, all of the troll names stopped and so did Oscar's post.

Everything came to a sudden and grinding halt. That was very damned ironic Oscar. LOL...

Maybe moving Pouncey to LG is not such a bad idea because there are rumors that Belichek is going to move Brady to LB.

Odin,

It's useless educating you. Consider yourself newest addition to my non-communicate list. I tried, youre just incorrigible.

Anyone else want to be added to that list while Im at it? There's plenty of room. LOL...

But it is true. I've seen it in other Blogs. The owner of it or an associate cannot write anything of value but they are gifted at writing under different names and assuming the personality of that name where you cannot distinguish it's the same Person writing under those names. A great advantage to increase hits. Me, I'm a Doctor and I don't need the $.

Let's make ourselves worse at center. What a great idea for winning more games.

Posted by: Mike | July 26, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Posted by: oscar canosa | July 26, 2013 at 12:07 AM

If youre a doctor Im Phyllis Diller ok?

Let's make ourselves worse at center. What a great idea for winning more games.

Posted by: Mike | July 26, 2013 at 12:00 AM


Stupid, never sees itself as such. You'll never win with the resident blog idiots. I've been here 5yrs. They get worse each day. LOL...

But you have to start somewhere.

Posted by: Darkoak | July 25, 2013 at 11:58 PM
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Darkoak, you saw my post about me Coaching the team to a 12-4 record. You responded by Gracefully disagreeing with "ALL OF IT". Right?

Did you notice my response to you about the Holiday Inn Express? All cordial and in good fun Right?

Did you notice how I ignored YG's next 4 posts? His next 4 posts all trying to cut on me and/or my Coaching Skills?

It's like you said, if you pick a name, go with it and be the least bit cordial or civil, you have no problems here.

But, YG unfortunately for the rest of us, can do NONE of that. And then when HE Fvcks everything up, he ALWAYS, ALWAYS wants to blame everyone, but himself.

I simply cannot stand an idiot that thinks he's knows it all, especially in his LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES(To be polite)that can never seem to find the means to man up and take responsilbilities for his OWN actions. It's as simple as that.

Adain, unfortunately for the rest of us, chances are, he'll remain to be "Challenged", considering he's obviously been this way for quite some time.

Cheers!

Oscar,

I see you allowed the "Cuban Menance" character out for some fresh air today. However, you've been keeping the Aloco character pretty cooped up lately.

What gives with this?

I just did some research, the highest paid LG's average more money than the highest paid centers. By about 2 million in the top 5 range.

That tells me that LG is more coveted than Center. We know Pouncey is a great center but he played guard in college as well. I would think that if coaches really thought he was better at LG he would be there.

I do agree with F4L that Cogs is too slow to play LG, I think that's why Dallas Thomas was brought in.

You're gifted YG but don't overstep your boundaries. Like I told Fidel Castro, you have lived like a king, be satisfied with that. He answered me, No es suficiente para mi. Well...

Odin,

It's useless educating you. Consider yourself newest addition to my non-communicate list. I tried, youre just incorrigible.

Anyone else want to be added to that list while Im at it? There's plenty of room. LOL...

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | July 26, 2013 at 12:04 AM
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I've been doing my best to ignore you already.....PUNK-LOL.

GEE, why am I not surprised it took you SO LONG to catch on......Duuuuuuuh-LOL?

Oscar,

I also must admit, you've had your Cuban Menance character bottle up so long. His breath was quite musty today.

You should teach him to gargle.

Woodshed,'

None of the NFL contracts mean a thing at their face value. It all comes down to guaranteed money. All of the rest is waging the steak before the dog.

You always make sure the dog never catches up to it.

Woodshed,

At face value, it maybe true a LG gets the better contract in terms of gross.

What I would really like to know is the difference in net, or guaranteed money? Guaranteed money can always vary even amongst the top 5 at any position.

How a contract's written is far more important than the sum of the overall amount.

Woodshed,'

None of the NFL contracts mean a thing at their face value. It all comes down to guaranteed money. All of the rest is waging the steak before the dog.

You always make sure the dog never catches up to it.

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | July 26, 2013 at 12:22 AM

Still, that goes for every position so the LG carrying more value than Center keeps its merit. However, it also has to mean either A) Pouncey is a better Center than Guard (B) Pouncey is the only capable Center on the roster or (C) Both A and B.

One player can have a 35 million dollar contract and the other a 30 million contract. But the 30 million contract's the better contract because if it has substantially more guaranteed money.

And Odin that's why we don't have a problem. Cheers!

One thing about big contracts with not a lot of guaranteed money, is that most teams dump the guy before he gets all of that money.

Only the guaranteed money is what you can write your checks on. Possibly why so many players are in debt up the ying yang their first season out of the game.

Writing checks on "non-guaranteed" money.


And Odin that's why we don't have a problem. Cheers!

Posted by: Darkoak | July 26, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Same screen name, eh Rob?

The unmistakable "Cheers" to end a post. Busted! LOL...

I think it's pretty clear I'm not anyone else but you're welcome to pretend I am.

See what I mean.......?

Darkoak, I can tell you're intelligent enough to not get baited into saying anything you don't want to say, but....see what I mean.

Woodshed announced he did some research and posted some info. Instead of discussing it with him, YG pretends he's on to "SOMETHING-LOL" and does his best to start and win an argument.

I'll bet he just HATED it when Woodshed CORRECTED him and refused to argue.

Typical INDEED!!!!

But the 30 million contract's the better contract because if it has substantially more guaranteed money.

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | July 26, 2013 at 12:29 AM
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Huh.......?

WHAT.......?

ROTFLMAO!!!!

All I did was take the top 5 paid players at guard and center and compared. Guards were paid higher. That's it! Honestly, does anyone think there is a meaningful difference in guaranteed money between guard and center?

It doesn't make sense to dispute. Besides, I was agreeing that Pouncey should be a center because my assumption was if Pouncey could be an elite LG, he would play there. After all, he would get a larger payday!

Guaranteed money had nothing to do with it. The results were for the 2013 ONLY!

The top 9 LGs make all make more or as much as the 3rd highest paid center.

Woodshed can you sum up what this debate was even about?

This exchange is what started the A S S CLOWN down his 3 Hr. two page rant. Anybody who can read sees he didn't even know what Pos. Pouncey played in College. The converstion didn't include him it was between me and a much more informed member of the blog (odin) but he decided to get cute and I put him in his place which is the real problem he can't let it go because even though nobody here even knows each other personally a loss of debate or percieved blog humiliation seems to be a life-n-death thing for Dead Bread.

THE EVIDENCE!

Agree though on Jerry being a better fit at Tackle. I always felt we should go get a Center and kick Pouncey over to LG


Posted by: fin4life | July 25, 2013 at 10:51 PM


And exactly what do you base these things on, itchy feeling?

When being paid millions a year, a hc has to base it on the facts, not itchy feeling. You'll have extremely short hc career allowing itchy feelings to be your final analysis.

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | July 25, 2013 at 10:56 PM

The fact it's the Pos. he played throughout his College career until twin brother (the one who played Center) left UF for draft moving him over his Sr. Season! You were to stuck in that draft telling us all how Mark Ingram's 40X didn't matter it was the 10 Yd. shuttle we should pay attention to while this Emmitt Smith clone blew up the spot in the NFL remember!!

Posted by: fin4life | July 25, 2013 at 11:01 PM


CASE CLOSED!!!!


He said himself coming out of college he is a center. Wouldn't he know what position he is? Two completely separate coaching staffs have seen him as not just a center, but a great center. Who the heck gets more praise at his postion the fins roster than Pouncey? NOBODY!!!!

So you want to take the guy that excels the most at his current position and replace him with someone inferior.


You are bonkers DUDE.

Posted by: Mike | July 25, 2013 at 11:50 PM

WRONG!!! He clearly said when questioned about his slow delivery motion as a Center that he could play the Position!! I remember it!!


fin4llife,

Here is an idea, why not make Mike Wallace a FB and make Javorskie Lane a WR?


News Flash, many of the pundits now are saying Mike Pouncey is already better than his brother, the 'real' Center.

Just maybe the coaches with 20+ years pro experience know a tad bit more than you do.

Posted by: Mike | July 25, 2013 at 11:55 PM

I believe given the injury issues that Marquise has had that today that is a true statement not my point again I'll repeat he can be one of the best LG's in Football if we played him there the need was at Center after the Thursday night game Vs. Chicago with Thigpen at QB and Grove missing in action which coincided with the 1st scratch of Long's career were we shuffled the line and had a nightmare game led by the problem at Center. The premiss that he isn't playing there because the Coaches don't think he can is rediculous because then your stating that Cogs is better than he is and the real reason Pouncey is playing Center. Your all either Brain dead or not thinking about the utter stupidity you type!

Woodshed can you sum up what this debate was even about?

Posted by: Darkoak | July 26, 2013 at 01:29 AM

Basically F4L stated in his opinion that he felt that Pouncey would make a better LG than Center. YG disagreed and somewhere along the lines, name calling started.

It was weird because I actually agreed with YG, that Pouncey must be a better center than guard given that both Sparano and Philbin kept him there and LG's are generally better paid (therefore more coveted) than centers at the elite level.

For some reason YG started disagreeing with me. It made no sense at all considering I generally agreed with him. I think YG is so used to arguing that he thought I was trying to pick his statements apart.

Woodshed Gang | July 26, 2013 at 01:46 AM

I NEVER said that Pouncey wasn't a good Center. He came out of College with a slow motion in his delivery and trouble snaping from shotgun, he's not only addrssed it but become one of the best young OL in the game. period! My point is he was a very dominating LG before he was made a Center his Sr Yr. at UF.

You say the Coaches keep him at Center because they feel he's better equiped there and that's were I disagree whole heartedly. We drafted him to replace FA injury mistake Grove a problem which came to a head in that Thurs. night game with Thigpen at QB. To say the Coaches feel he's better at Center than Guard on this team is to state Incognito and Jerry are better Guards than he can be.

When drafted I did want to place him back at Guard and do believe with the type of blocking scheme were using that he would be a beast given it requires quick athletic play at Guard which he can do plus he's a mauler! It won't happen because he's made himself indispensible at Center but again wasn't my original point!

Tannehill Stinks

Tannehill had a 65.3 passer rating on third down, and pedestrian quarterbacks like Blaine Gabbert, Brandon Weeden and even Mark Sanchez were better than him.

His rookie contemporaries clearly showed youth and inexperience has nothing to do with third down production. Seattle's Russell Wilson had a 96.2 quarterback rating on third down (5th best in NFL), Washington's Robert Griffin III has a 93.9 (7th best), and Colts quarterback Andrew Luck had a 75.5 passer rating (22nd) on third down.

Just to illustrate the gulf that exists at quarterback between New England and Miami it is important to point out that Tom Brady's 110.8 passer rating on third downs tied him with Green Bay's Aaron Rodgers for the NFL lead on third down efficiency.

I love my Dolphins. Simply love them. No BS, always have, always will.

THANKS!!!

It doesn't make sense to dispute. Besides, I was agreeing that Pouncey should be a center because my assumption was if Pouncey could be an elite LG, he would play there. After all, he would get a larger payday!

Posted by: The Woodshed Gang | July 26, 2013 at 01:16 AM
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1. You're RIGHT(YG was wrong, as usual).

2. You can't agree with this nitwit. Well, actually you can, but he's so comprehension-ally challenged, he'll try to "Argue and Win" anyways(He's dumb.......I mean Dumb-DUMB! I mean Stump Dumb and Stupid Too.......I mean.........(Ok, ok.......I'll stop......for now).

3. The above exchange is unmitigated proof. You we're actually agreeing with YG's position. But he completely missed it and.....(as he likes to call it).....RETALIATED-LOL~!

4. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!!!!

ValHalla That!!!!


From the SS | July 26, 2013 at 02:20 AM

Given all the expert opinions about the actual state of the team I suggest the Miami Dolphins forfit their Season now and save themselves the shame of showing up on gameday, dripping sarcasm aimed at this doom-n-gloom blog!!!!!!!!!!

I'M OUT!

SS to dumb to realize Tanne had the worst receiving core in the league.

Now he has the best in the AFC.

TANNEHILLS 20 YARD OUT TO THE TIGHT END IS A THING OF BEAUTY.

If you haven't seen it, I sugest you go to practice.

If you can't, just shut up and wait.

Wow! Sporadic posts every 5 to 10 minutes.

Then BLAMMO-LOL! 3 of them all at 2:40.

I guess it's safe to assume that I'm not Fin4 and he's not Sosa and Sosa's not me and I'm not Sosa and Sosa's not Fin4.

Did I get that........?

Philbin was asked if he was happy with the depth at a certain position. He responded by saying he's not sure if he's happy with the depth at ANY of the positions.

I definitely think we've improved our starting line up and our depth Big Time.....at SOME positions.

I always try to think ahead, think of the contingency plans if there are injuries. Thinking along these lines. I have to agree totally with Philbin. This team is too young and the players too inexperienced to be content with anything.

Having said that, my biggest concern is Martin and then the depth along the O-Line. What do we do if Martin fails or worse, what if he's injured?

What's our contingency plan in this instance? Anybody care to offer up any ideas?

Garner? John Jerry? Clabo or Dallas Thomas? A long shot like Samuda?

I don't like the fact that we've been forced into counting on Martin BIG TIME. So what do you think is the best contingency plan here?

wow,bunch of no nothing morons.Not one of you children have been right in the last 4 months.Sad,just sad

like odie though

One of my biggest focus this year is Philbin himself. Is he really a Teacher, a developer of Players? Too early to tell but I see improvement in Vernon, Armon Binns, even Egnew. We'll see.

Early to say but this might be Ireland's best Draft to date. Sims, CB Davis, maybe others looking very good.

I just saw a tweet that Dallas Thomas is working at LG and Incognito at RG.
I really think that will strengthen this Oline.

Seems inconceivable to me that these very experienced Coaches won't have a contingency plan in case Martin fails. I see nobody here now that could fill adequately that LT on an extended basis if needed. But a trade or pickup on final cuts is not precluded.

Oscar,

Dallas Thomas could fill in. I also think John Jerry could do a decent job, maybe Yeatman as well.

As fans, we just have hold our breath and costs our fingers for now.

John Jerry is the incumbent at the RG position and the position now is his. Nobody can say otherwise except Joe Philbin.

Ryan Tannehill cannot throw the deep ball !!!! Never has never will. It was a mistake to draft a convert WR to QB.

Lets face it Matt Moore gives the fins the best chance for a playoff berth.

The only good thing I see of Tannehill is his hot little wifey who has him on a short lease. She needs a real man to take care of her.

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