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Dolphins lose, say they're ready

So the Dolphins lost to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 17-16. They're 1-3 this preseason.

So, of course, they believe they're ready for the regular season.

"Yeah, I'm ready," running back Lamar Miller said. "I just feel like I'm ready. I can help this team win. I'm ready."

He should feel ready because Miller thinks he won the starting running back job Saturday night.

"I do feel like I won the job," he said.

Miller gained 35 yards on eight carries. That's a 4.4 average. It included a 20-yard run. With Daniel Thomas gaining 3 yards on seven carries -- a 0.4 yard per carry average -- I do not disagree.

Lamar Miller is your starting running back.

WR Mike Wallace, who had three catches but dropped on pass, also thinks he's ready to go for the 2013 season.

"I hope so, it's two weeks away, so I hope I'm ready," Wallace said. "Yeah, I think I'm ready. I'm pretty sure. I'll be ready to make some plays when my number's called."

Quarterback Ryan Tannehill, who played well and delivered a 90 QB rating, believes the offense is "just a hair off."

"I think we're close," Tannehill said. "We've progessed each week and now it's exciting. Now it's time to buckle it up and play for real."

As for himself, Tannehill thinks it's coming.

"I'm progressing," he said. "I'm moving in the right direction."

Coach Joe Philbin wasn't quite as certain things are all set to go as the Dolphins have one preseason game left -- a game in which the starters aren't likely to play very long.

"We didn't play well enough in any phase of the game to win the game," Philbin said.

How about the red zone offense, Joe?

"Not good enough," he said.

Third down offense?

"I didn't think we were very good there. We have a lot of work to do."

The starting offense overall?

"I guess we were okay as an offense," Philbin said. "It wasn't great."

Michael Egnew didn't catch a pass nor was he targetted. Charles Clay had one catch on six targets. Dion Sims had one catch off his only target.

John Jerry started at right guard. Josh Samuda played with starters and on second team after Jerry left the game with approximately 16 snaps. Lance Louis played in the second half.

And then this:

For whatever struggle the Dolphins offense is having I refer you to the fact the Jets and Bills are a disaster offensively.

In Buffalo, neither E.J. Manuel nor Kevin Kolb can stay healthy. It is to the point the team will be working out multiple QBs on Sunday and one of those is former Dolphins draft pick bust John Beck.

In New York, Rex Ryan is seemingly trying to get fired. Rookie quarterback Geno Smith three three interceptions and actually stepped out of the end zone on a quarterback scramble for a safety. Bad night.

Mark Sanchez had a worse night. Ryan actually inserted the veteran into the game in the fourth quarter behind the reserve offensive line. And Sanchez injured his right (throwing) shoulder.

No words. 

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If you look closer, Miller had one 20 yard burst which boosted his stats. The line gave him one huge hole. Otherwise his stats, ypc were no different than what Thomas did.

To me, one single play is not enough to say someone won a competition, even though the coaches have been favoring Miller all a long. This was made obvious yesterday when Thomas had clearly earned being the starter from his superior performance the week before, yet they still gave it to Miller.

Hanging your hat on one single play is not very convincing.

My take is that Miller is better when there is a hole, while Thomas is a better blocker, better bruiser, and far better pass catcher.

To my eyes Thomas is the more versatile. If Miller proves me wrong, well than good for him and the team.

I don't know Millers college history, if he was adept at breaking tackles, but what we've seen this preseason is that he goes down very easily.

bodine he was solid last night. they were running against the number one run d in nfl last year ypc

I can hear in the background(Phuc you, Oscar, you're FOS) hehehehe

I tried to follow along with the blog last night while watching the game but it was unbearable in here. If you feel brave just take a stroll through that session of knee jerk and conclusion jumping on the blog from last night.

The simple fact is Thomas has not out performed Miller in a single game and he did have the one run. one is still better than zero in my book.

7-9 at best..no not the season score,the Cleveland score.
I'm not a 'glass half empty' guy.I reckon the glass has dropped and smashed already.

Dusty,

How can you say Miller was solid? 8 for 35 is 4.4 ypc. However that was mostly one 20 yard run. So outside of that he was 7 for 15, or 2.1 ypc, which sucks for a starter against any team.

Thomas was not good at all last night, 0.4ypc, but last week he was far superior running and catching and blocking than Miller.

One single play where Miller had the gift of a wide open hole is not enough to convince me of anything.


It is good that we have a filter now here. Before, many times, when I posted a commentary, for some reason a reply to my post appeared just BEFORE my post was published. I mean, we are light years from being fools here, now ain't we.

bodine u cant take ouyt that 20 yard run. those are hard to come by. its like me taking out negative runs. he ran for 35 yards ,period. has a nice burst

Dont forget the Bucs beat the Dolphins without their best player playing a single down, Darrel Revis.

My primary issue with Lamar Miller, and I'm sure coaches would agree, is consistency. Same with D Thomas. Both paint coaches in a difficult corner, with UPSIDE, maybe the tiebreaker to determine who's starter.

If UPSIDE has to be the eventual decider, then because of speed, Lamar Miller wins the starting job by a nose. Seems the winner can not be decided by play because both have been different players from game to game. Both lack the true consistency to make it a no brainer decision as the starter.

Well dusty, no doubt Thomas makes a nice run through that same hole - just like he did on the shovel pass last week. I suggest you review the game the week before against Houston:

D. Thomas 4 25 6.3
L. Miller 5 10 2.0

Miller missed blocks and dropped passes in that game.
Thomas made blocks and caught passes in that game

D Thomas couldnt make any squad in the Arena league. He's just terrible.

never said thomas didnt play better vs houston. both backs are young and need a full game to get going and be looked at in the right way. preseason doesnt show a thing

10-6 for those that forget we have a great defense. I'm pinning all my hopes on them. Nothing better for a young QB than having that kind of defense. I don't agree everything rides on T-hill at all. There are some pretty special veteran guys on that side of the ball.

Realistically, T-hill is going to have rough games, take sacks, have picks but those special guys on D are going to keep us in those games. He's going to have ups and downs this year. And no QB in this league is immune to that.

With both Miller and Thomas, one game you see great bursts and hitting the hole on time, then the next game you don't. So the decider could be who has the most potential to take a run all the way to he house.

That part of the answer is easy: Lamar Miller.

So, Miller won't beat out Thomas because he was so much better. It seems it will come down to home run ability. Both have lacked overall consistency. Basically both have not been quite good enough.

My point is this, I don't see how Miller has won the competition. I don't think he has. I think the coaching staff anointed him starter before preseason and have been playing favoritism since.

Thomas should have been the starter last night based on last weeks performance. Then he would have had that wide open hole to run through.

I'm not even saying who is better. I don't know. I'm saying so far Thomas looks more versatile to me, while Miller is better when he has a free lane.

Miller won the competition because D Thomas is pathetic. 7 carries for 3 yds? YIKES!

For two games in a row now Miller has averaged a very unimpressive 2.x yards per carry.


For two games in a row now Miller has averaged a very unimpressive 2.x yards per carry.

Posted by: Bodine | August 25, 2013 at 06:05 PM

Thats higher than Thomas averages in his career!!!!!!!

dad u havent a clue if we have a great defense, nor do we know what kind of offense we have. the preseason shows u nothing, coaching is hugeeeeeee in nfl and u havent seen any coaching yet till reg season starts.

Thomas average for the entire preseason beats Millers. His blocking is better. He has better hands.

i think its safe to say the running game will stink without Reggie Bush and Jake Long....and Fasano.

I;ve never seen a worse RB than D Thomas.

I don't know Millers college history, if he was adept at breaking tackles, but what we've seen this preseason is that he goes down very easily.

Posted by: Bodine | August 25, 2013 at 05:39 PM

As a Hurricane fan, I will concede that Miller wasn't a physical RB...heck, He wasn't even an elusive RB. What Miller is, is a RB with great, BUT straight ahead speed. Him and Bush were pretty much one in the same. But lookin' at how Christin Michael is ballin' in Seattle, why the heck wasn't He on our radar, especially since our OC was TAMU's HC...

Miller I will agree looks more like the guy that can break off the big runs.

I'm good with what the coaches decide, they are on the scene. I simply thought Thomas earned the right to start yesterday. Had he started, he'd have had the better game. The line gave him nothing by the time he got in.

miller avg 4.9 a carry last year. not worried one bit about him

But, but, We said this last week here, RBs are going to play by Platoon, according to the Game and circumstances. See, you pay little attention.

10-6 for those that forget we have a great defense.

Posted by: dadsmithwest | August 25, 2013 at 06:02 PM

My problem with this? Neither Miller nor Thomas lok very promising at rb right now. Neither does Tannehill look ready t put the entire offense on his back:

A. If the run game consistenly sputters.

B. DC's play 5-6 db's to take away Tannehill's ability to pass.

Even the great Marino was a little closer to mortal when dc's played 6, sometimes 7 in coverage. So, with a sputtering run game, dc's will have 6-7 in coverage to flood passing lanes on Tannehill.

I absolutely do not feel Tannehill's ready for this yet. So we better at least get menial consistency from the run game or I see 5-6 wins max. No matter how well the defense plays.

That defense had better be the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens to even dream playoffs.

CaneRock @ 6:10

"...him and Bush were pretty much the same...".

You mean Miller won a Heisman, National C'ship and Indy was booed when they didn't take Miller with the first overall pick? (Houston was booed when they took the DE instead of Reggie Bush with the first overall pick)?

wallace is better than i thought he was.

wallace is better than i thought he was.

Posted by: dusty bottoms | August 25, 2013 at 06:14 PM

revis didnt play

Preseason stats from all 4 games for the RB's. It's really not that close.

Thomas has 19 carries for 52 yards (2.74 YPC) zero TDs 2 recepts for 28 yds.
Miller has 17 carries for 72 yards (4.24 YPC) one TD 3 recepts for 9 yds.

I feel the same way, dusty. As a matter of fact, I think we are going to have a very dangerous trio of receivers.

bush and his 950 yard season, comical. 3rd team already for him. u want to worry about something, worry about the oline and tes. we are fine at rb

dusty, his 4.9 yards in college so far has translated to 2.3 yards at best in the pro's. If your starting RB can't do better than that, he won't be starting very long.

I'm all for giving him a chance to start. He is a rookie and it's preseason, so it is far too soon to know how much more upside he has. For our type of offense, having an RB that can catch is a huge advantage, so I hope his hands are better than what we've seen so far.

2 watt what does revis have to do with anything, careless what that bum does now. hes gone from jets. we play tampa this year, lets see what revis can do vs wallace. kid is better than advo

Shame about Dustin. With him in there, we would have killed all Ds with Wallace, Gibson and Hartline. But, you don't find Kellers hanging from trees.

bodine no clue what ur talking about . the 4.9 per carry is from last season in the nfl not college

See I talk Defense and people talk Offense. What I'm saying is 10-6 mainly due to those special guys on defense. The offense will hopefully get into a groove, the oline will jell and then the sky is the limit. Look out if both sides of the ball play well and yeah it's very possible. I have faith in the guys on the offense but even more with the guys on defense.

I stand corrected.

no kidding oscar, im still not over that. with keller down the seam this offense had huge potential

Now, when I talk D with dads and tell him how I saw Clemons miss a tackle yesterday, how there is no quality depth at CB here and our 2 rookies CBs are very raw, how Phillip Wheeler looked confused and tentative at best yesterday, dads will go to talking about Miller.

bodine no clue what ur talking about . the 4.9 per carry is from last season in the nfl not college

Posted by: dusty bottoms | August 25, 2013 at 06:24 PM

DB, that's a good per carry average, but that was based on what, less than 80 carries? Not a great body of work if you ask me. AFAIC, Sherman is gonna have to be creative on how He uses Miller, He'll never be that RB that's gonna grind out those tough yards for you. The NFL running game is mostly between the hashes, between the Tackles and TEs, you BETTER! have a RB that can elude the second level, and drop his hips and PUNISH! the secondary.

The NFL running game is mostly between the hashes, between the Tackles and TEs, you BETTER! have a RB that can elude the second level, and drop his hips and PUNISH! the secondary.

Posted by: CaneRock | August 25, 2013 at 06:35 PM


Miller is more finesse than physical. Doubtful he holds up.

FIRE ROSS, I tell you what Moron, if you have conviction on what you think the record will be meet me in real life and let's talk money. See how much conviction you have.

2 watt, really Revis would make the difference, you mean the guy with the torn ACL, difference maker huh, right.

Oscar? Clemons did miss that one tackle yesterday (hard to be critical of one missed tackle)...he was out of control and blew right by the guy. I do like the youth of the CB's which you call raw not sure we've seen enough of the call them raw. Wheeler hasn't put up big stats but not worried though by that. The depth at LB is a bit of an unknown as well.

With all that considered I still believe the starting defense a top 5 defense..elite even. 10-6 with everything riding on the D.

Of course it hurts, dusty. But from a GM or a HC duties they have to get over that quickly and go ahead and try to get the best option to it available now.

there is no rb competition you morons. miller is our back and he will be nasty. he is starting every game and has been starting since training camp began. the competition was created by the media. daniel thomas by the way, should not even be on an NFL roster. he is a moron who does not know how to run. if it were up to philbin he would not be on the team.

Miller is more finesse than physical. Doubtful he holds up.

Posted by: LeopardLarry | August 25, 2013 at 06:44 PM

LL, I don't know if He'll hold up either, I know He had shoulder problems at UM...hope He holds up nevertheless. I will say, despite His lack of physicality, He's a more disciplined back then Bush, He pretty much sticks to His reads in the zone running game. Where Bush didn't really learn the zone game till He got to the NFL. Bush was a Wing-T RB in HS, and mostly a pitch-back at USC.

EVERYONE REMEMBER...

ETF SAYS REEVIS GONNA LOCK DOWN MIKE WALLACE

LORD OF FRAUD'S THEORY WILL BE TESTED

IF HE COULDNT COVER GINN, HOW'S HE GOING TO COVER MIKE FAST?

daniel thomas by the way, should not even be on an NFL roster. he is a moron who does not know how to run. if it were up to philbin he would not be on the team.

Posted by: greg | August 25, 2013 at 07:01 PM


How do you KNOW this? You don't. It is just your opinion. Ok. But tell us why he is a Moron? He has obviously had more success than you have.

Why is it everyone is a moron with you guys? And how do any of you ever know what any coach wants or who does or does not fit their system?

You are all so full of yourselves.

Outstanding player the Dolphoons missed on and Carolina picked up at number 9 immediately after the Dolphoons reached for TanneFAIL

"Home" has LB Luke Kuechly picked for the Dolphins
def not TannePUKE

Kuechly is the very best at his position and had the most tackles in the entire NFL last season, ... as a rookie

Panthers' Luke Kuechly stakes claim as NFL's next great middle linebacker

BY JOSEPH PERSON
THE CHARLOTTE OBSERVER


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/08/24/3583942_p3/panthers-luke-kuechly-stakes-claim.html#storylink=cpy

Year in and out, no matter the coaching regime, we hear we need more elusive rb's. Who also can break tackles. Then we don't draft them.

This leads me to believe does Ireland know what an elusive rb who breaks tackles looks like? Currently the answer is a resounding no.

Why does 17-0 have a proctological fixation?
Is his head up his asss?

The issue with Thomas is he must have a hole to run into. He also does not read blocks very well at times, and does not run with the power you'd expect from someone his size. When you throw in the penchant for fubmbling and getting hurt, he just isn't good enough.
He's like too many players on this roster - inconsistent. Hardly worth moving up into the 2nd round to get, eh?

Time to go. I've come up on a troll's radar. Never a good thing. Not for the troll anyway.

2.74 YPC for Thomas says it all don't it? Hard to get around that fact in the argument over who the starter on the team is right now.

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