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Dolphins lose, say they're ready

So the Dolphins lost to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 17-16. They're 1-3 this preseason.

So, of course, they believe they're ready for the regular season.

"Yeah, I'm ready," running back Lamar Miller said. "I just feel like I'm ready. I can help this team win. I'm ready."

He should feel ready because Miller thinks he won the starting running back job Saturday night.

"I do feel like I won the job," he said.

Miller gained 35 yards on eight carries. That's a 4.4 average. It included a 20-yard run. With Daniel Thomas gaining 3 yards on seven carries -- a 0.4 yard per carry average -- I do not disagree.

Lamar Miller is your starting running back.

WR Mike Wallace, who had three catches but dropped on pass, also thinks he's ready to go for the 2013 season.

"I hope so, it's two weeks away, so I hope I'm ready," Wallace said. "Yeah, I think I'm ready. I'm pretty sure. I'll be ready to make some plays when my number's called."

Quarterback Ryan Tannehill, who played well and delivered a 90 QB rating, believes the offense is "just a hair off."

"I think we're close," Tannehill said. "We've progessed each week and now it's exciting. Now it's time to buckle it up and play for real."

As for himself, Tannehill thinks it's coming.

"I'm progressing," he said. "I'm moving in the right direction."

Coach Joe Philbin wasn't quite as certain things are all set to go as the Dolphins have one preseason game left -- a game in which the starters aren't likely to play very long.

"We didn't play well enough in any phase of the game to win the game," Philbin said.

How about the red zone offense, Joe?

"Not good enough," he said.

Third down offense?

"I didn't think we were very good there. We have a lot of work to do."

The starting offense overall?

"I guess we were okay as an offense," Philbin said. "It wasn't great."

Michael Egnew didn't catch a pass nor was he targetted. Charles Clay had one catch on six targets. Dion Sims had one catch off his only target.

John Jerry started at right guard. Josh Samuda played with starters and on second team after Jerry left the game with approximately 16 snaps. Lance Louis played in the second half.

And then this:

For whatever struggle the Dolphins offense is having I refer you to the fact the Jets and Bills are a disaster offensively.

In Buffalo, neither E.J. Manuel nor Kevin Kolb can stay healthy. It is to the point the team will be working out multiple QBs on Sunday and one of those is former Dolphins draft pick bust John Beck.

In New York, Rex Ryan is seemingly trying to get fired. Rookie quarterback Geno Smith three three interceptions and actually stepped out of the end zone on a quarterback scramble for a safety. Bad night.

Mark Sanchez had a worse night. Ryan actually inserted the veteran into the game in the fourth quarter behind the reserve offensive line. And Sanchez injured his right (throwing) shoulder.

No words. 

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Jarvis Jones has already peaked. D.Jordan hasn't even scratched the Surface on his potential.

The Fins have D.Jordan for the Next 5 years for the price that it would take to sign Jake to 2 Years. That is why you trade an Extra 2nd. For the Future of the Defense.

Put DJ on the Wake Workout plan. Look what it has done for Vernon and Shelby in 1 Season.

D.Jordan was actually the only prospect that looked like his long term potential was high in this draft.

Who would you rather pick. A 5'8" slot WR or a 6'7" DE.

The 3 RTs?

That is how you know this draft was a weak draft at the top. 3 of the first 4 players taken were RTs. Enough said.

The players that other teams are cutting are better than many of our starters.

Truth, I don't think 9-7 is a mediocre year. Anything above .500 to me is a positive improvement over the last few years. I'd personally be happy if we went 9-7 (not that I think we'd make the Playoffs with that record, but we need to crawl before we walk).

Reason Charles Clay will never be our answer at TE/HB can be seen in the route he ran (that was highlighted) on a dropped pass. It wasn't sharp, he didn't look like he had any purpose, it was too flat at the top to get any separation. The difference between good receivers and bad ones is their route-running. Doesn't look like Clay gets it yet (if he ever will).

All about progression.

Dashi is sometimes underselling other teams' prospects but people are whining about Jordan's shoulder (which will heal), but what if we drafted Jones with a possibly degenerative spinal condition??

Man, the boards here would be aglow...

3rd year player, if he doesn't get it by now. Clay is a guy that will give you a couple of catches a year and leave you scratching your head as to why they don't game plan for him more or throw to him more... but you're right DC - he doesn't get it.

Time to see what Sims can do Thursday

Fact.

2013 preseason

Matt Moore

27 Comp
49 Att
55.1%
311 yds
1 TD
2 INT
2 Fumbles
6 sacks for -67yds
64.2 Qb rating

Pat Devlin

13 Comp
21 Att
131 yds
61.9%
1TD
0 INT
0 Fumbles
2 Sacks for -11 yds
95.5. QB rating

DC, I guess any improvement on 7 and 9 will be fine. I also agree Clay is a lazy route runner who didnt even attempt to sell the outside route before cutting it back in. Man we need a TE, Egnew, Clay are busts and Sims strength is just blocking.

I thought Devlin threw a pick on Saturday?

Mark/Truth, so far I think Truth is right (Sims seems to be a better blocker). But he's a rookie, I can give him a pass for now. As for Clay/Egnew, time is running short for those 2.

What is it with this team and their bad luck with the TE position? Is it a coincidence that the 1 year we had 2 useable TE's (2008) we won the division? Keller was unfortunate, but Ireland needs to see more investment is necessary at this position.

ETFaker spitting lies again.

Who are these players that our better than our starters? NAMES PLEASE?

13-3

DC, the team has two options as far as I'm concerned ... use 4 wr set more often and use the bigger Gibson and McNutt in the middle of the field. Not an unusual option as this has been popular in Green Bay for eons. The big guys cause mismatches for other teams as not many teams have 3rd and 4th CBs capapble of going up against these guys. Downside is it pretty much shows your hand to the defense and leaves your Qb vulnerable. (Gibson and McNutt were pretty leathal in the first half Saturday)

The other option is as you say to bring in a vet from outside. Can Shiancoe be a guy to eat up some receptions?? I don't know. Maybe a good tight end on a current team's roster? To simply think these young guys can plug and play for Keller is unrealistic.

Jacksonville has no chance, you think we may pry marcedes Lewis from them?

Lewis is signed for three more years - he's 29 - decent stats - not great. 2 years left at $8per - but none is guaranteed. if he doesn't work out, team can cut him with no cap penalty. Or keep him through the last of his productive years.

DC, agreed, Clay lacks the quickness it takes to be a good route runner. Plus his hands are suspect.

Egnew and Matthews should see more time as the season progresses.

I like what Gibson is doing in the Slot.

Keller would've gave T-Hill 4 legit options. But that is still 2 more than he had last season. B.Hartline is the 3rd best WR on the Team. And that is a good thing.

I would like to see the Fins using Matthews more in the Shotgun, since Keller went down.

I know some of you don't want to hear this but that is what R.Tannehill ran in College.

4 WR WCO Zone blocking Read Option, with Screens and Draws to the RB. THE WHOLE PLAYBOOK SHOULD BE OPEN.

Devlin is more athletic than M.Moore.

Tannehill is running for his life all the time & our D can't stop the run still!!! sweeping the Bills, Jets & at lease 1 game from the Patriots is a MUST to say that this team is anywhere close!!!

Great plays analysis on the Phinsider. I learn a lot about Football every time I go there.

MIT,
It's possible that Lewis is available for the right price.
His production the past 2 years is misleading because Gabbe was his QB for 26 of his past 32 starts. All his production came when Henne started the last 6 games.
They have been playing a TE named Reisinger and he had TDs the past 2 ps games.

chi chi,
Joe McKnight

I am realizing now that in order to run a zone blocking scheme you need smart Players on your O line. Up to now the only ones that qualify are the 2 O Tackles.

OUR SEASON RIDES ON THESE 3 GAMES:

San Diego
Pittsburgh
Indy

No on Shiancoe, I don't think he can play. Marcedes Lewis is interesting, but I doubt he will be traded.

I think a couple decent TE's will be cut by the time the teams get down to 53 on Sunday. Scoop up a decent one at a cheap price then to hold the role for a year. Draft one in the first 2 days next year.

Rodriguez and Sims looked decent Saturday. Not so much for Clay and Egnew.

I hope that they are holding Egnew back a bit to shock people in the regular season. I can dream, but it might be time to cut ties with the guy after this year if he still doesn't produce.. Great measuarbles, great potential, but something isn't clicking.

NeMo,
Would you please publish the preseason stats for Clay/Sims/Egnew so that we can judge them side by side?

MJD and Merceds Lewis and Chad Henne are all tradeable.

MoJo and Henne in contract years.

The Jags cut 36 players from last season's roster. Every single draft pick this season is a starter.
They would definitely trade thier current players for picks. Neither the GM nor HC are tied to any of the players other thsasn this years draft and a few acorns they signed.

Never thought I say this but I wish we had Fasano back.....


3rd year player, if he doesn't get it by now. Clay is a guy that will give you a couple of catches a year and leave you scratching your head as to why they don't game plan for him more or throw to him more... but you're right DC - he doesn't get it.

Time to see what Sims can do Thursday

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | August 26, 2013 at 09:56 AM
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I agree. Clay can't block, can't run a route, can't catch. This isn't exactlly breaking news to anyone. What does Philbin see in this guy?

This is repeated here. With some of these less than bright Players you have to make them repeat the Play over and over until it is incorporated in their muscle memory. Or else.

Well, it's clear that neither Gabbert nor henne is the answer the team is looking for in Jax. lewis is 29 - will be of value over the next three years. No use for Jax - not as a core piece anyway. A lot of good te's coming up in this years draft but does us no good this year. If we can send a third pick to Jax fo lewis, and they bite, why not? If they want a 1 or 2, no way.

Lewis is probably similar to Keller in style although he's a big man. Would be an interesting acquisition.

And I agree ETF, jax is scorched earth. This team is starting from ground zero. The only players that count are the ones from the last couple fo drafts. Everyone else is a chip or holding the fort until they get Teddy Bridgewater or whoever and his contemporaries to help make the team a serious threat going forward. Lewis is no more than an experienced role player to them. With all the TEs available in next year's draft, they may be tempteed bya third pick - especially since this year's third pick Dwayne Gratz wasa good one for them... who knows??

Can someone please explain how is signing an Old TE that doesn't know the playbook, better than seeing what you got in your young guys That have been in your system longer.

If we need 1 new TE. We should sign 3 New TEs. We are basically admitting we have No Depth. And we have Depth. We just lost our #1. The other guys have to step up.

Egnew knows the playbook, has gotten better at blocking and is more athletic than any TE that will be released. Sims also looks like a good TE that we can develop. He just won't have the luxury Egnew had to sit and learn for a year.

Clay is the wildcard. Do the coaches look at him as the #1 TE or the FB that can play as the #3 TE.

If the coaches feel that Clay will be more useful at FB than TE, then the position isn't as bad. But if Clay is better than Egnew and Sims we have a problem.

Fraud, I don't know if posting the TE preseason stats is even worth the time. Could be with and against 3rd stringers or with and against the starters.

Well that's the thing Dashi, the coaching stafff gave Clay the first up opportunity and Tannehill gave him a chance to make plays in the game and more often than not made Tannehill look bad by haveing the passes almost picked off and hearing Morris and Griese talk about how awful the routes were.

If Clay was the best and only hope of the young guys then maybe a Marcedes Lewis type guy would be good. If he was just the first up of a few that have a shot then you're right - next guy up. But if neither Egnew nor Sims or heck even Kyle Miller or Evan Rodriguez do anything then the urgency for outside veteran help will magnify...

So, we have a Game this Thursday? They'll probably cut a bunch of Players today so we can concentrate on the rest in practices up to Thursday.

I agree with Dashi at 11:22, I would just ride the guys we have. I would lean on Egnew and Sims more than Clay if anyone is close to proving themselves a bust it's this guy, man he leaves you scratching your head and cursing when you watch him, I'm just a fan and I'm no expert by no means but Sims seems to step up more than any of them when he is in. Just my opinion from what I've seen.

It is true that when we had 2 TEs, one that could block and catch, the other that could stretch the seam, was the only year(2008) that we advanced to the Playoffs. Coincidence?

Oscar, correct game Thursday. Also, the roster has to be down to 75 by Tuesday and 53 by Saturday.

Pouncey is the Smartest player on our line.

The Fins have 3 linemen with a high football IQ. C, LT, RT.

D.Thomas and Samunda still need 1 more season developing before handing them the job. Next season they should draft 2 Guards at the beginning of the draft to compete for the job.

Think about it, what will be the only questions going into next years Draft. LG,RG, S, TE.

Incognito and Jerry are needed for this seasons success but I don't see them being on the team the next season.

Al, I tend to agree with you. Sims made a nice catch splitting the seam in the 2nd half Saturday. If he can do it consistently, then we may be on to something especially since he's our best blocker by all information gathered ..

They are giving Clay Playing time now so they can have a decision to make after this week.

Does Clay start the Next Game at TE?

If Egnew starts by game 4 of the preseason, he should start the whole season.

Clays advantage is that he can play FB. But I expect the coaches to use him less as a TE as the season goes by.

If Clay is our TE, we better be running a lot of 4WR or he better get up to speed on creating seperation in a hurry.

Based on the current talent realities of our TE, WR, OL and RB's....I really think we are going to see a lot of 4 WR formations this year. I just don't think the TE's are going to create confidence in Sherman and Philbin this season.

I think THILL is going to throw the ball....a lot! I think the running game will be better with opponents' CB's and Safeties worrying about multiple receivers spread across the field.

Our TE's are what they are and I don't believe there will be a miracle trade that will help us drastically. I am not sure Miller is worth keeping. Maybe Clay, Sims and Egnew are enough and the Fins can use the extra spot to keep another WR (or pick up a discarded WR on the wire).

I clearly see Wallace, Gibson and Hartline better than our top three last year. The question is who do they keep now that Keller is gone? If I am right that 4 WR packages will be even more frequent I would want to go with big bodies and take 5-6 WR's all together.

Base on what I have seen so far I would keep the following three WR's:

Tyms - 6'3", 210 pounds with 2 years experience
Pruitt 6'2" 212 pounds with 3 years experience
McNutt 6'2" 216 pounds with 1 year of experience.

I like Mathews (6' and 210) and Bumphis (5'10" 196) but both are more of what we already have in the TOP 3 WR's.

Tyms is practice squad in my opinion. McNutt is #4, Matthews #5, Pruitt makes it #6 because of his special teams prowress...

I was actually one of few apparently who thought the Saturday game was great, well the first half. We absolutely flogged the BUCS, did anyone notice our first teamers didnt start the second half, unlike the BUCS.

Not to state the obvious, but special teams killed us and in all honesty, I would cut Thigpen, I know its only 1 bad game, but he fair catches to much and is useless as a RB and a WR, remember when he had opportunities last year, dropped balls including a TD

I kind of like Mark's idea about Marcedes/Mercedes Lewis, but I dont know if I would give up a high pick for him, he would help tremendously in the Red Zone

We really should have scored 3 TD's in first half. I like Hartline, but why does he shrink in the red zone, most of his drops happen there.

I was happy to see Tannehill check down a little more in this game, it might be because he had more time. Most of his passes were very accurate, he could have easily thrown 3 td's and over 200 yards in the first half.

Did the highest overpaid free agent signing this year play (Dashon Goldson) I know Revis makes more, but he isnt overpaid LOL

Unlike certain teams this preseason,ahem Browns. We have yet to lay a stinker this preseason( I dont count HOF game) I have seen steady improvement all preseason(speaking for starters and some of our backup defense)

People should be encouraged by Tanny's numbers in the game, he lost his second favorite receiver and still Balled his butt off(sounds gay) and put up good numbers. Did anyone notice how receptions and yards between Wallace,Hartline and Gibson were almost identical. Exactly how Philbin wants it

OK, I am done

Dashi,you have been ousted from Fantasy Island and now you will be exiled to Delusional Dip Chit Island.Welcome Dashi.

I am feeling confident about:

1) THILL - showing signs of improvement - no INT's this preseason, showing command of offense, and making diverse throws. Worry a bit about taking to long to throw. But I am excited about his potential to really improve this year.

2) Wallace, Gibson and Hartline - I like the package and I think they will prove strong.

3) DLINE has a chance to be top 3 in the league. Looking forward to seeing Odrick more at DT. Will Vernon be the real deal and will Jordan get playing time? Can't wait to see their impact.

4) Grimes and Patterson are better than Smith and Marshall. Hoping they make a real difference this year.

5) Sturgis - after seeing Carpenter cost us TWO Games last year...I just want Sturgis to get the job done...so far...so good.


Things I am most worried about:

1) OLINE - need to make consistent holes for the young RB's (see #5 below). This is priority one. If we can consistently average 4+ yards per carry this offense will be solid. Even is pass protection is spotty a few times per game the running game is everything in my mind. If teams fear the run THILL will be just fine.

2) LB's - depth is my concern here. I think the first three will prove fine and better than last year. If one goes down...I am worried.

3) WR's - same thing here. Depth is weak.

4) TE - Keller down...say no more.

5) RB's - I like this young unit. Hope one or two step up and secure their spots. NO FUMBLES....this has been a real issue for Thomas and we can't tolerate it this year.

rdubs, agree 100% still boggles my ind when people come on here and criticize Tannehill although most of the arguments now are not whether Tannehill is a bust or not but whether he will simply be a game manager or elite. Progree I guess.

Couldn't be happier with his preseason.

And you're right about Thigpen. Can only count on him for kickoffs. In punts, he doesn't have the coaches trust. Is that enough to keep him on the team - although he makes one or two plays a year that can win you a game - or he can do the flipside - tough call.

So many angry dolphins fans dang

Great measuarbles, great potential, but something isn't clicking.

Posted by: NeMo | August 26, 2013 at 10:53 AM

NeMo, not calling you out on this post (because I hear it often from both professional sports writers and people here).

BUT, I HATE WHEN this statement is made. Great measurables. What's that? Zach Thomas didn't have great measurables, yet he was the best LB we've had in decades. Drew Brees didn't have great measurables, yet he's one of the best QBs in the NFL (and won a SB). Ray Rice also wasn't given much of a chance to succeed in the NFL (due to his "measurables") but succeeding he is.

EFFE A MEASURABLE!!! What sets the greats apart are their UNMEASURABLES. Who knew Peyton Manning would be such a student of the game? Or that Brady would become the epitome of automatic? Measurables are fine, but what truly makes someone great is their dedication, intelligence, and putting it all together at the same time.

Having a natural ability is all good, but to truly be a star in pro sports, you need more than natural ability. You need to know how to put it all together.

9-7 is what this team was last year without two missed FG's by Carpenter.

If we don't go to 10-6 than I just don't see any real progress being made. 9-7 is obviously a winning season but that is not worth celebrating as being successful my book.

I see 7 wins from 2 Jets, 2 Bills, Cleveland, Carolina and Bengals as being MUST HAVES. If they don't win these seven games then they played poorly.

That means the most important games are:

San Diego, New Orleans, Indy, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Atlanta, Tampa, and 2 in NE.

We need to win about 50% of these games to make the playoffs. Tough road but one that needs to be achieved if 'progress' is really going to be declared.

DC,

I expect an apology from you for calling me a typical Dolphin fan who settles for mediocre players, when I professed how much I liked Odrick. Still think he is mediocre? If you say YES, thats a darn lie!

Mark, Tannehill looked poised, his passes were pretty much on point (in the Tampa Bay game), we pretty much owned them offensively in the 1st half (though the score didn't show it). The rest of the team was pretty sloppy though (including special teams). But that's been how it's been in the past. We aren't fully engaged on all sides of the ball. The HC needs to get everyone to screw their heads on and go after the same goal...Playoffs!

Come on DC, measurables count. Well, the examples you gave were QBs where all you need is a strong enough arm and smarts. But the other positions, it's extrememly important how athletic you are. But you are right on that if the guy doesn't "get it" then his measurables aren't worth a darn

DC, usually we will have a higher conversion rate in the red zone. On the 2 missed opportunities, Tannehill threw passes that hit the receivers in the hands. Not great passes, but they won't always be great down there - there are a lot of defenders seperating teh QBs pass from teh receiver. If the Qb hit your hands, it's your job as a handsomely paid WR to catch it (uh hmm, Gibson and Hartline)

WHAT TAEM OUT THERE IN PRE SEASON HAS PLAYERS THAT MAKE YOU SAY "WOW". IT'S PRE SEASON.....

Offense still too predictable!

SUPPOSED TO BE PREDICTABLE IN PRESEASON. YOU DON'T SHOW THE GOOD PLAYS UNTIL REG SEASON.

If you guys HATE the Dolphins SOOO much...

Then, what are you doing on this blog?

Find another team and go root for them!

Maybe, it's because you just want to whine and gripe...

And, no one else will listen to you!

It's like a bunch of old ladies ...

Tanne will be an average qb his entire career. That's what happpens when u draft a wr who has only been a qb for 2 years of his life. His just look natural in the pocket. He does lock on to his primary 90 % of the time and that alone will keep you from ever being good. Arm strength means nothing without accuracy and Tanne is not accurate. His mechanics and footwork are not consistent.

Our wrs are average. No one can dispute that they don't create separation and they don't provide any yac outside the occasional Mike Wallace screen or slant. There is no holding back on plays or sand bagging by wrs who suddenly will look faster and more explosive.

Defense will have to carry this team. Offensively I have no doubts this team will be in the bottom half of the NFL even after all free agent moves. Rb is a black hole with Miller at the helm. Often injured..can't elude and afraid of contact.

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