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Handful of starting jobs still wide open

The Dolphins begin their fourth week of training camp and will prepare for their third preseason game this week but there are still issues as fundamental as picking starting personnel at a handful of positions that need settling.

The club has yet to fully decide on a starting running back, starting right guard, starting defensive tackle next to Paul Soliai, starting cornerback opposite Brent Grimes, and perhaps even starting defensive end opposite Cameron Wake.

At running back, it's obvious Lamar Miller is the presumed starter but he hasn't exactly wowed yet, despite enormous potential to do so. The fact is he had the tough moment fumbling against Dallas and didn't really do much in carrying two times for 6 yards against Jacksonville.

Daniel Thomas, who has been given a smaller share of first-team snaps in practice, has avoided the turnover but also hasn't impressed in two games. Thus, we've got a no-decision so far.

Offensive coordinator Mike Sherman today said the competition is "pretty close."

At right guard, it seemed as if Josh Samuda had established himself as the favorite once John Jerry went down with a knee injury. Multiple players inlcuding Samuda were tried as part of the guard competition. But Samuda, who has started two games at the position, struggled against Jacksonville, giving up a sack and showing poor technique on another play. So he regressed somewhat.

That means the job is wide open again. Coach Joe Philbin said today that Nate Garner is "absolutely in the competition" for the starting job. Lance Louis has a chance as well, although he has yet to play in the preseason despite practicing. Louis is recovering from offseason knee surgery.

Best case scenario for the Dolphins is Jerry gets back to work this week and plays in two weeks. And he's in shape. And plays well.

Yeah, all that could happen.

Oh boy.

The kicking job is obviously open. Rookie Caleb Sturgis was brought in to replace veteran Dan Carpenter and after getting off to a slow start, has picked things up lately. He connected on a 58 yard field goal against Jacksonville, booted every one of his six kickoffs into the end zone and got four touchbacks for the trouble.

Message sent.

Do not be surprised if the Dolphins start shopping the loser of this competition in trade as both are actually kicking well this camp.

The cornerback job opposite Brent Grimes is being decided between Richard Marshall and Dimitri Patterson. Want a darkhorse?

Rookie Will Davis continues to make plays and although he is "inconsistent," according to coaches. He is seemingly always around the ball. He had an interception against Jacksonville and another against Dallas. Yes, he also had a PI against Dallas in the end zone, but picks are valuable commodities.

The competition for a starting job between Randy Starks and Jared Odrick was supposed to be a slugfest. Starks, however, has been battling a knee injury for over a week so he's not been in the battle. Odrick is the guy right now but if Starks gets back this week or next, the competition will resume.

Either way, the Dolphins plan to alternate DTs. Defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle has said he has two starters at that position although it is obvious only one player plays the opening snap. The two players are good at different things so the job may alternate depending on the offense they face.

Everyone assumes the left defensive end job belongs to Olivier Vernon. Well, yes, he's making it hard to think otherwise. He's practicing well and there's nothing about his play against Jacksonville (only game he's been in) that suggested regression.

But ...

Rookie Dion Jordan is being groomed for that spot. The team wants him pushing Vernon. The team wants him to be good enough to be a three-down player. If he doesn't win the job, well, that's life and he can be used as a passing-down specialist. But that decision has not been made yet.

So that job, like the others, is still open. 

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Here is how these jokers play the game.

If Tannehill had a QBR of 38, it would MATTER! They would be all over him! This is our franchise QB? QBR 38? LMAO!!!

If Tannehil has a good QBR...It DOESN'T matter. Oh, QBR is overrated, means nothing, go with your eyes, it is only preseason, blah blah blah.


So they are jokers joking themselves. Nothing more than people eager to complain.

Scotty,
Welcome to the blog, it is so refreshing to have new people in here.
2 nights ago Henne came off the bench and drove the field with a Penningtonesque 16 play drive.
He followed that with Tom Bradyesque drive.
In fact in back to back series he outproduced all other QBs that played in the game.
The last time Henne came off the bench it was against Houston in game 10 last season. In 3 qtrs he threw 4 Tds and 395 yards.
If your going to spend your time describing how much better Tanne is than Henne than Tanne better back it up.

I'm watching the game again right now.

The worst throw I saw was the missed pass to Charles Clay on a crossing route. Tannehill was flushed out of the pocket and was in a full sprint towards the sideline on the throw.

IMO, he tried to make up for the inability to set his feet by putting too much arm into the throw. He either needed to take some off and give extra lead on the throw or just throw out of bounds.

Randy Starks was franchised and he's not even the starter at his position?

Andy Reid franchised his LT.
Jeff Fisher signed our LT.
Ireland franchised Starks and now he has to compete for playing time?

As far as John Jerry goes he has not been able to get on the filed the past 2 seasons.
Now our season is riding on Jerry's ability to bail out the OL?

Heck, even with a stretch of the imagination you try and call those missed slants "back shoulder". Tannehill till missed the back shoulder badly because the receiver had to make full extension and contort of the body backwards while going full speed forwards.

Lets see some of you try and make a catch like that. Then hopefully you'll understand it isn't by design...

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | August 11, 2013 at 04:17 PM

Who says those throws were read as slants by Tannehill. What I'm saying is that the WR's misread the coverage and didn't adjust their routes to the coverage. Notice those passes that are behind have been to McNutt, Tyms, Egnew and Charles Clay. With the exception of Clay (I said that was on T-Hill) all of these guys are inexperienced.

I've now watched the Keller TD a few times. I can't tell if it was supposed to be a back shoulder throw or not. I am certain that it counted for 6 points though.

W'shed,
Good Point on the 6 points.

Woodshed there are times where the QB needs to put it on the back shoulder or hip so that only his receiver has a chance at it. I'm not saying every pass Tannehill throws is like that but considering the coaching staff is looking for ways to reduce interceptions on offense it wouldn't surprise me.

Posted by: ExposingTheFraud | August 11, 2013 at 04:36 PM

Remind me. Did Henne pull out the comeback win against the Texans that day?

Henne plays very well when he has nothing on the line. He came in off the bench in a game they were losing. He knew he wouldn't of been accountable anyways.

Don't get me wrong, Henne has always had the physical tools to be a successful QB. He just doesn't have it in his heart or between the ears.
I can't even recall how many times he check down for meaningless gains with the clock running down.

Woodshed there are times where the QB needs to put it on the back shoulder or hip so that only his receiver has a chance at it. I'm not saying every pass Tannehill throws is like that but considering the coaching staff is looking for ways to reduce interceptions on offense it wouldn't surprise me.

Posted by: Darkoak | August 11, 2013 at 04:59 PM

Exactly! The best example of this is Aaron Rodgers. If you look at his highlights most are on back shoulder throws. They run the most comparable system to us so it sounds well within reason that we would want Tannehill to have those throws in his arsenal.

Check down Chad was his nickname.

You douche bags can talk up Henne all you want.
FACT - Henne blows - he blew when he was in Miami he will BLOW if he starts for Jax. He is useless.
The BEST thing you can say for him is he found a helmet that fits is enormous fat face finally.
Tannehill needs time to throw. Samuda is a turnstile
Dallas Thomas is not even there. Give Tannehill time to throw he will take this team to the playoffs.

It looks like we will have to endure another year of both D. Thomas and John Jerry because we are so weak at their positions. YIKES!

W'shed,
Henne can set an NFL passing record (which he did) but it will always be useless as long as his D is rolling around on the ground with menstral cramps (which they were).

Exactly! The best example of this is Aaron Rodgers. If you look at his highlights most are on back shoulder throws. They run the most comparable system to us so it sounds well within reason that we would want Tannehill to have those throws in his arsenal.
Posted by: The Woodshed Gang | August 11, 2013 at 05:02 PM

And there you go. That said you got to be on the money or what YG I saying is true. Your receiver can't get back to make a play. Now a safety is going to keep moving with the play so that takes him out of the equation for a pick if the pass is a backside throw. I you lead and miss than most safety's following the play may have a shot at it. Or the corner cuts TE route if his coverage is right.

You try to put it in their hands, man. Marino did.

Darkoak,
TanneHenne is his nickname.

Im not high or low on tannehill in preseason...hes made progress, but there are things he needs to clean up before the season starts....ONLY then will we see what tannehill from year 1 to year 2 has learned!!!

Look at the infantilism of this cabr-n. All he knows is Eddie Munster, SpongeBob and sh-t.

No silly man ETF, Henne accumulated yards from YAC.

Heck, Henne threw for 400 yards againt Jets, Pats snd we still lost.

You really couldn't tell he even played. lol


Yes, Henne was very impressive. His play action was almost pretty good after 5 years as an NFL QB.

And there you go. That said you got to be on the money or what YG I saying is true. Your receiver can't get back to make a play.

Posted by: Darkoak | August 11, 2013 at 05:10 PM

WOW................................

After my millionth and one posts, you're beginning t get it, and are discovering Im not bashing Tannehill.

Even going as far to say I'm not a true fan. But, of course you'll never apologize......

But, I'll accept this as apology enough anyway.....

Misires over the middle of the field, no matter th pass pattern, leads to ball bouncing off of the receivers hands and into the waiting arms of a defender.

Homerotics, this is what I'm talking about, not trying to criticize Tannehill or 1 td pass.....

misfires......

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Why would I apologize? You claimed you saw a trend that he was missing throws to the backside of his receivers because he was inaccurate and not leading his receivers. I stated hi backside throws could be intentional. I merely agreed with the obvious that if he misplaced it on the backside his receiver can't get back for it.

I would counter that now YOU are getting it, and you are admitting backhanded lay that you may have been wrong in your assessment. I count that as a moral victory.

Seriously speaking...you sound like a bunch of coke heads going around and around on absolute minutia, you'll never know where the pass or receiver was supposed to be.

Give it a rest already.

Sometimes the receiver was covered front and back and the ball dropped in over those defenders and into the hands of the target. Other times there was coverage by 2 guys in front then the ball was zipped between those 2 defenders into the receiver's hands. Yes, I saw Dan Marino do that. Always on the hands. Did you notice?

Im not high or low on tannehill in preseason...hes made progress, but there are things he needs to clean up before the season starts....ONLY then will we see what tannehill from year 1 to year 2 has learned!!!

Posted by: superPHIN | August 11, 2013 at 05:12 PM

We could all pull the aqua and orange wool over our eyes and say: "But it's only preseason, it's only his 2nd season". Hell, we've done that with every qb since Marino. But, how has that worked out for the team or this fanbase.

I understand its only Tannehill's 2nd season. I also understand as a fanbase we've been homerizing our qb's.
That's why Im "raising the bar" for Tannehill, in terms of expectations. For us to be successful, Tannehil has to play quite a bit better than "justa nd yr qb".

After all, Tannehill's the 1st Dolphin qb drafted 1st rd since Marino. Even drafted "MUCH HIGHER" than Marino. No, I'm not expecting Marino 2nd yr numbers. Still, Im not expecting to see "a meer" 2nd yr qb performance either.

If this is all we see or less, then clearly Tannehill is on the wrong path to become our franchise qb saver.

Who is seeing a pattern after two preseason games and just a handful of plays? Ridiculous. It is called getting to know the new players. Not even Pavarotti nailed every note in warm ups.

savior....

There's your hottie Odinsky. Son of Thor and the fallen.

Odin = adult diapers

Snort sells Kilos with Oscar at Juanita's house.

Seriously speaking...you sound like a bunch of coke heads going around and around on absolute minutia, you'll never know where the pass or receiver was supposed to be.
Give it a rest already.
Posted by: Snort | August 11, 2013 at 05:42 PM

And you'd rather Dolphin fans discuss what exactly on a Dolphins blog other than the play of the Dolphins?


Why would I apologize? You claimed you saw a trend that he was missing throws to the backside of his receivers because he was inaccurate and not leading his receivers. I stated hi backside throws could be intentional. I merely agreed with the obvious that if he misplaced it on the backside his receiver can't get back for it.

I would counter that now YOU are getting it, and you are admitting backhanded lay that you may have been wrong in your assessment. I count that as a moral victory.


Posted by: Darkoak | August 11, 2013 at 05:40 PM

ROTFLMAO.......

Basically, I was proclaiming a tiger, and you, "no its a lion. After finally sobering up, proclaiming the lion does have stripes.

Never still to admit it's a tiger, because that's admitting you were wrongly interpreted me. But, lion with stripes is close enough for me. At least you're not quite as lost as you used to be....

Let's fester on for days over the QB throwing a few balls behind the receivers.

Forget the good passes. WHO THE HELL CARES ABOUT THEM???

I myself was fond of that throw hitting Keller in stride RIGHT ON THE MONEY between defenders.


But I understand, nobody here wants to talk about that.

I guess nobody wants to talk about our rookie TE Sims that is looking calm, cool and collected, and MONEY!

Nah, forget that.

Some may consider a lion with stripes is a tiger. They're both sill huge cats.

Just that people like me, rather call lions with stripes tigers......

ill say it again, fraud only acts retarded because he goes for shock value. just wants to stir up debates.

None of you profound experts will ever know where the pass was supposed to be or where the receiver was supposed to be.

But, if it makes you feel knowledgeable, by all means continue babbling about it another few days.

17 now you just doing your mad scramble you do when someone has ripped apart your analysis as incomplete. That's cool you would have thought it through eventually without my help. Your reaction was just knee jerk, you saw something to troll on and went with it.

Now in NE's last SB, did Brady throw behind Welker or did Welker run the wrong route? Ah who cares, that makes them both losers.


But I understand, nobody here wants to talk about that.

Posted by: Snort | August 11, 2013 at 05:51 PM

Same bad throws happened against Dallas. Same bad throws re-emerged against Jax. 2 straight 3 and outs(bad throws part of it). Then bad throw "LUCKILY" goes for td, then homerotic happy with it.

I only seek that Tannehill cleans it up. Anything wrong with that?

PS: Yes, I love the prospects of TE Sims........

Snort,

Saying that was a good td throw to Keller is like a bank robber celebrating getting away with robbing a bank.

Uknownst to him, he's really celebrating the day he'll finally get caught...

HONOR HER.

Has to be, dusty, because Armando knows how much YG interferes with serious conversation here and still tolerates him, if it's not Salguero himself.

dusty,

The problem is 95% of the bloggers are either very stupid or so desperate for football talk that they will respond to ETF even knowing he is a clown, jackass just making a fool out of everyone that responds to him.

darkoak, kris, dashe, 17, woodshit, are all silly fools for responding to him, but they won't stop.

Lions and Tigers and Bears oh my...

WHAT IS ANDROID 17 BABBLING ABOUT?


Now in NE's last SB, did Brady throw behind Welker or did Welker run the wrong route? Ah who cares, that makes them both losers.

Posted by: Snort | August 11, 2013 at 05:58 PM

SB comparison? Right now, I pray Tannehill can lead us to winning at least 9gms.

I really don't think Tannehill will be making any "bad sb throws" anytime soon.......

None of you profound experts will ever know where the pass was supposed to be or where the receiver was supposed to be.
But, if it makes you feel knowledgeable, by all means continue babbling about it another few days.
Posted by: Snort | August 11, 2013 at 05:56 PM

And this statement make you feel what...self righteous? Lol.

I'm no expert I just call it like I see it and I have no illusions that I could be completely wrong. I mean I'm only a psychiatrist after all, not a football coach.


Ditto for any low self esteem fool responding to this loser - LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS!

KITT CARLISLE DAY

LOLOLOLOLO

THAT'S HILARIOUS!!!!!

I mean I'm only a psychiatrist after all, not a football coach.

Posted by: Darkoak | August 11, 2013 at 06:05 PM


Psychiatry is the biggest ripoff out there. It is a medical farce. If you have any dignity you'll close shop and return all your clients money.

How low is your self esteem to point out the low self esteem of others? Does that make you feel more relevant somehow? Tell me more about your observations.

Darkoak--

YOUR THOUGHTS AND RECOLLECTIONS OF KITTY CARLISLE PLEASE!

Who?

Darkoak,

How many of your clients would continue to see you if they knew you spent your time on a football blog full of silly fools, social misfits, and degenerates?

Darkoak

Let me simplify the question. How many of your clients would continue to see you knowing that you spend your free time talk to this sicko --> LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS!

?

Can you imagine paying $$$ to a psychiatrist only to find out he spends his time conversing with someone named - LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS!

Snort I do some of my best work here. The research I've done on ASPD and social deviancy based on the posters who routinely come here is fairly ground breaking. It's amazing to me how abhorrent someone can be socially when normal social context is removed an replaced with the anonymity of the Internet. This blog comments section is very interesting to me as it has zero moderation by it's admin, which allows for some really socially maladjusted individuals to place their opinions.

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