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Tannehill, starting defense should sit Thursday night

Dolphins coach Joe Philbin declined to say this week whether his starters would play in Thursday's preseason-finale against New Orleans at Sun Life Stadium. Throughout the preseason Philbin has deftly avoided telling his plans for using players in the preseason by saying he won't "finalize" the plans until the day before the game -- which is always coincidently a day he doesn't have any media obligations outside the television broadcasters.

So don't ask me if quarterback Ryan Tannehill is playing in Thursday night's game and, if so, how much.

Don't ask if Cameron Wake is going to play and, if so, how much.

You may, however, ask whether Tannehill and Wake and those folks should play.

Here's my answer: NO WAY!

Here's my other answer: What for?

Here's my third answer: Are you nuts?

Here's my fourth answer: I would play some starters but not others.

I would not play Tannehill. I would not play Mike Wallace. I would not play Brian Hartline. I would not play Brandon Gibson.

That group has had a good enough camp and plenty of time to work in controlled practice conditions that they don't need to be exposed to a freak injury in a meaningless final preseason game 10 days prior to the start of the season.

In four preseason games, Tannehill has completed 34 of 56 passes (60.7 percent) for 377 yards with three touchdowns and no interceptions. That's an outstanding preseason and it shows significant progress from last preseason when he completed 41 of 78 passes (52.6 percent) for 414 yards with one touchdown and one interception.

Personally, I've seen all I need to see from Tannehill this preseason. He's good. There is no issue he needs to solve that can be solved Thursday night. He and his receivers can use some more time together but that's precisely the reason you don't play any of them.

The truth is even a minor injury to one of the receivers, such as a groin pull or tweaking the hamstring or a calf injury, could set the program back as it will certainly cost practice snaps and possibly affect availability for the opener. Why risk that?

And if Tannehill gets injured, how would that feel? The fact is every other AFC East team has had quarterback injuries or at least a quarterback injury scare this preseason. The Dolphins are the only team immune so far.

The Jets had Geno Smith injure his ankle and Mark Sanchez is still day-to-day with a bruised shoulder. The Bills lost Kevin Kolb to a concussion and E.J. Manuel had to have minor knee surgery. Even all of New England held its collective breath for one evening this preseason when Tom Brady got his knee rolled into during a dual practice with Tampa Bay.

So it makes zero sense for the Dolphins to risk adding Tannehill to that list for the mere benefit of playing, at most, a series against New Orleans. The risk far outweighs the reward.

Now, those rules don't apply to other starters, in my opinion.

I would, for example, play the starting offensive line as a unit. They need the work together as John Jerry has been there only two weeks and one preseason series. It would be good to get him another series or two with his starting mates.

It also is necessary because if you're not playing Tannehill, you're going with Matt Moore and I wouldn't want to increase Moore's chances of getting injured in the meaningless preseason finale while playing behind reserve linemen.

The fact is Moore is also very valuable (I refer you to the 2012 game at New York) and I want him whole for the start of the season. Moore has taken enough punishment already behind mostly reserve linemen, taking some vicious hits and getting sacked a team-high six times this preseason. I'd start him and play him behind the starting offensive line.

By the way, Moore hasn't had a good preseason. He's only completed 55 percent of his passes, has thrown more interceptions (2) than TDs (1) and his passer rating is 64.2. So he could use the work and the confidence boost against the Saints' turnstile defense.

So starting Moore behind the staring offensive line makes sense on every level.

It also makes sense for Moore to throw to the young corps of tight ends, who need work very badly, and the reserve receivers, who are playing for a roster spot.

I also do not use either Lamar Miller or Daniel Thomas. Yes, it can be argued both need more work. But if that's the argument, I would say that reflects on the coaching because the Dolphins have already played four preseason games and you shouldn't be still searching for answers to a starting running back competition in the fifth preseason game only 10 days before the regular season.

If Miller and Thomas need more work, they should have gotten more carries earlier in the preseason.

Meanwhile, the Dolphins are looking for a No. 3 running back. Both Mike Gillislee and Jonas Gray are still on the team. Have at it, boys.

On defense, I don't play my starters. I sit all of them. I'm good.

Night off.

Everyone knows the Dolphins defense has been good for years under multiple defensive coordinators and this year should be no different. The unit has had a very good preseason. There is nothing to prove.

Let the backups who are still fighting for roster spots get their fill of snaps this game. It would give the coaching staff more evidence on which to make their final roster decisions. And if an unfortunate injury happens, you are dealing with a reserve player instead of a key starter.

Another reason it makes no sense to use the starting defense? They wouldn't be much tested anyway. You see, quarterback Drew Brees is not going to play for the Saints Thursday night.

Coach Sean Payton, who led the team to the Super Bowl XLIV championship, made that announcement days ago.

 

 

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JPAO, may be waiting until week 17 for Clay. Jerry will be ready, he just needs to get out fo his eating pants and into his game pants. Adjustment takes time for him.

YOu would think by now he would know how important it is to always be in the best shape you can muster.

Also, to go 10-6, Ryan Tannehill will need to finish 2013 with at least a #10 qb ranking.

We may find that where Tannehill is ranked as qb by season's end, will have a definite link to where we finish in the win/loss column.

10-6 = Tannehill ranked #10 amongst nfl qb's.

Sigh...Starks for a quality T/E makes sense, but his price tag might get in the way.....

YG, ur on Pluto again. KC had six pro bowlers last year. How did that work out?

There's no min/max formula for more pro bowlers = wins.

Actually the cart follows the hore, if you win enough games, the "experts" will find pro bowlers on your team.

Just wondering....wtf is a crusp?

Jack,

The pro bowl game itself maybe a joke. But the qualification of regular season play to be selected to get there are not.

ENUFF SAID.....

Mark,


You can chat during draf and yuo can even draft on your IPAD. I already started talking crap on our leagues website

Again, YG with his rankings = playoffs scenario. What if we have the worst ranked defense and Tannehill finishes 10th, we make it?

How did that work for Brees last year?

My list earlier didn't really account for Practice Squad players. I see these being the 'bubble.' 8 Can make the practice squad so that leaves 14 needing to be cut. The rest make the 53 man roster.

J. Gray RB - Makes the 53 roster
J. Kovacs S - Makes the 53 roster
V. Martin DL - Makes the 53 roster
R. Mathews WR - Makes the 53 roster
M. McNutt WR - Makes the 53 roster
RJ Stanford CB - Makes the 53 roster

J Jenkins LB - Practice Squad
K Randall DT - Practice Squad
T. Robertson DT - Practice Squad
T. Okpaluago DE - Practice Squad
K. Miller TE - Practice Squad
B Tyms WR - Practice Squad
C. Bumphis WR - Practice Squad
A.J. Francis DT - Practice Squad

J. Adams T - cut
A. Applewhite DE - Cut
C. Barker G - Cut
S. Brenner C - cut
A. Corp QB - Cut
K. Davis WR - Cut
K. Johnson S - Cut
D. Jones CB - Cut
A. McDonald T - Cut
J. Posey CB - Cut
D. Presley CB - Cut
L. Robinson LB - Cut
E. Rodriguez FB - Cut
K McCray S - CUT

crusp?

buh?

guess is hould fix my own typo, even though a cart will indeed follow a "hore" ... i meant to type horse ... haha, LOBSTERTUBE!

rdubs, it will be a blast. Can't wait for YG to pick Bronco Ngurski... good times.

I would just like to know where these determinations come from??? Left field??? In order to win 60% of your games in this league you must have 4 Pro Bowl players...you must have a QB that is top 10...you must have a RB that carries 220+...you must have a reciever with 100+ catches...you must have a coach that throws at least .7 challenge flags a game...you must have a kicker that kicks 65% of his field goals within 42 yards...you must at least 3 home games where "who let the dogs out" is played just before kickoff...you must have a mascot that can do a front flip...you must have a humidty % at or above 45% at the start of the second half...you must stop just making up random things and saying they are gospel...


WOO!!!

Just read that Michael Douglas and Katherine Zeta Jones seperated ...

cougar hunting is on!!!

Although at my age, she's more of a contemporary .. a hot one at that!!

Mark In Toroto,

Maybe its you who are on Pluto. said Offensive players. Here's the Chiefs 2012 Pro bowlers:

The 2012 NFL campaign just got extended for five members of the Kansas City Chiefs. The National Football League announced on Wednesday that safety Eric Berry, running back Jamaal Charles, punter Dustin Colquitt and linebackers Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson have been selected to participate in the 2013 AFC-NFC Pro Bowl. (Photo Gallery)

Notice only 1 Offensive Player? Jamaal Charles? This isn't even to mention their qb play was completely atrocious.

Don't be so quick to criticize before first removing head from ass.

Buster,

You're probably right about Starks' price tag.

I like having Starks on the team, but I would like to see the Dolphins get something of value for him (like the Patriots always seem to do) if the plan is to let him walk next year.

I'm trying to be positive about this team. I just wish they had one more quality WR and TE (with Keller out). A little more depth at OL would be nice too. Hopefully, one or two of the TE's on the roster will perform at an elite level.

No YG...IMO the whole process is a joke...I never listen to any rational that includes pro bowl votes as a defense or point of emphasis...

"Some here are projecting 10-6 for the Dolphins. For this to happen, at least 3 players on offense will need to be pro bowlers, then at least 2 offensive players will need to play at pro bowl crusp level."

No, for that to happen, we need to outscore the opponent in 10 games. That is all.

"wtf is a crusp?"

Idk, but I'm guessing maybe it goes "in-yur-ass"? Just speculating here.

Again, YG with his rankings = playoffs scenario. What if we have the worst ranked defense and Tannehill finishes 10th, we make it?
How did that work for Brees last year?

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | August 28, 2013 at 02:31 PM

Again, overly attacking pimple head, Im not the one projecting 10-6. I laid it out for the ones that are. ask them that question.

I predict 7-9 for 2013. So, base on this to answer your stupid question to me, they still finish 7-9 or worse.

A "crusp" is when you just about to make a leap but then roll your ankle and fail...

YG, if I'm Pluto, jack!'s with me. It's widely proven that it's YOU that's absurd. Nobody gets called out more than you by recognizeable posters.

Sorry YG, it's YOU, not ME

Jack!, don't forget, you must have at least 8 cheerleaders with a D cup bra size - natural!

All you need is a handfull!!! Anything extra is just a waste!!!

Crux dickbrains, are you happy now?

YG, incase you haven't noticed, Jack! and Anderson are also calling you out.

But no worries, it's only me, right???

I like extra ... live in the lap, uhm err busom of luxury!!!

I'm not calling out...just disagreeing...with a little habernero kick...

Who gives a crap. Didn't come here to argue with infantile brains. Some here are retards by committee. I've been here for years, what else is new?

Many here will never grow the EFF.. up. Got some "REAL NEW" for me? Didn't think so....

Jack,

Everyone disagrees this time of year. Then usually by the end of November, undeniable Dolphin reality begins to kick in.

After season after season of this, my blade of optimism has taken a serious dulling. Just saying....

So why do you come here if not to debate or "argue"

So I mean, grow up as in posting three straight pages of unspeakable acts to do to one's mother right?

That's adult behaviour..

Sure hasn't taken Brandon Marshall long to stir trouble with a new coach and system... the more things change ...

Mark,

What happened with Marshall (besides his 3 drops against the Raiders)

BY the way YG, how did Baltimore win the Super Bowl without a top 10 QB in neither pass yards nor rating?

Not calling you out, just in the mood for some habanero

Cusp is the word you intended to use.....Mr Football know- it- all- ....on the edge..the cusp....

..crux is the basics...the gist of the discussion...the meat or the guts of something....


..a near Pro Bowler is on the cusp!!!!!!

..but of course now you'll post that naturally you knew that and were just testing everyone here.....

...crusp ..your original word is from some alien vocabulary...kind of like your football rational.....

Mark In Toronto,

Adults make mistakes. "REAL ADULTS" learn to acknowledge them and move on. "ADULT CHILDREN" can not. They will always justify their childish acts. It's always, you made me, they made me, it made me....

You get the drift....

Which of the two are you?

His hips aren't lying as Shakira would say.

Third procedure done this offseason and he's suffering and frustrated with the recuperation.

Not at camp yesterday although Trestman said it was "planned" for him not to be there. yeah, planned my arse...

Buster,

Mistakes are always made here in spelling and grammer. So it's so important to be grammer police to me? Im I really that effing important?

Come on man, you're bigger than that....

learn from mistakes?

So it took you until your deep middle years to figure that you shouldn't say such things about someone's mother?

I think I learned that when my age had single digits in it ... slow learning curve for you I guess.

"BY the way YG, how did Baltimore win the Super Bowl without a top 10 QB in neither pass yards nor rating?"

Joe Flacco used to annoy me. Now he gives me hope.

am I

And what's an ADULT CHILDREN?

WTF is an ADULT CHILDREN????

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 28s

WR Brandon Marshall is upset Bears have not taken his concerns about his hip injury seriously.

LOL, Man this guy is as nutty as a Payday!

"BY the way YG, how did Baltimore win the Super Bowl without a top 10 QB in neither pass yards nor rating?"
Joe Flacco used to annoy me. Now he gives me hope.
Posted by: Anderson | August 28, 2013 at 02:59 PM

Please don't fall into your own trap. Didn't you notice Joe4 Flacco had the best performance of all of the playoff qb's.

Were you guys sleeping at the wheel? Flacco was the hottest qb of the entire 201-13 playoffs. Come on fellas, even fools can not deny this.

Wake me up when you have a real question......

And what's an ADULT CHILDREN?
WTF is an ADULT CHILDREN????
Posted by: Mark in Toronto | August 28, 2013 at 03:00 PM


The way you rant now tells me you haven't a clue. So why waste valuable time explaining to a simple fool?

Simple fools never understand a thing anyways. They'll always retort with yet another foolish reply...

Mistakes are always made here in spelling and grammer. So it's so important to be grammer police to me? Im I really that effing important?

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS!

No..not even close....so now you'll take you'll follow your own admonition and NEVER correct anyone else.....RIGHT!!!??

I hear that Anderson ... he's the fallback of hope if Tannehill never progresses to the upper echelon.

Rdubs ‏@Rdubs 28s

Miami Dolphins in Depth poster Rdubs is upset that Mark in Toronto's fantasy league have not taken his concerns about his lobstertube injury ser

rdubs, he man has to be my least favourite player that I can remember....

used this franchise as toilet paper. I will never forget or forgive.

Does that make me an ADULT CHILDREN???

seriously

Are you hurt or are you injured?

Mark,


Is that like a Man Child? I told my wife I was a man child and her response was "And you have the pen1s to match!" Sad story, she really hurt my "little" feelings

But I thought if you don't finish top 10, you can't get 10 wins? Or did they have extra pro bowlers on offense to compensate for their lesser rated QB? Maybe the fact that Vontae Leach made the pro bowl got them an extra win or two.

And since we are addressing the bigger side of ourselves.......here's some more helpful advice...

..when someone comes across as a "know-it-all", the tendency for others is to disect everything the know-it-all says, even grammatical errors, to disprove the supposition...

...and can the adult inner self follow that logic?

rdubs, that kind of spousal treatment is not to be tolerated. Tell her you will withhold sexual favours for an undetermined period fo time. That will fix her wagon!

Mark,


Why would I reward her snarky comment!

Marshall had hip issues before coming to Miami. If Memory serves, he missed some of his first camp in Miami while recovering from either his first or second hip scope. Doesn't much matter, I had him pegged to go sideways much sooner. I thought by November of last season he would have already had wore out his welcome. I was wrong.

But... You can't shine shyt and call it an 8-ball...

Marshall has mental issues. If kept properly medicated and motivated, he can function, as soon as anything in his life goes sideways (eg. Wife problems, health issues, cop trouble, off med's)his world seems to close in and he goes all Walter White on everyone....

I think one should put Marshall's reasons for believing Chicago was "the place for him" in perspective. In Marshall's world, having Jay[the]Cutlet as his ace QB is paradise on Earth........

Like I said before.... Brandon has issues.....

Buster, the word is dissect ...

... oh wait, I see what you did there...

well played sir!

REALLY? We're having a discussion of whether to keep a 5th round pick or a guy that was undrafted? THAT'S the discussion? Who gives a fukk? Personally I've seen more good from Gray this preseason than from Gillislee. Kid doesn't impress me at all. Anybody who's sticking up for this kid us doing so because he's a local product. Hope I'm proven wrong but so far he's been very disappointing.

My new favorite past time has been to hand YG his @ss @ every turn...regardless of wich name he is currently using....he littered the 1st page of this blog with his antics...

Its good to see that you guys (Mar and Buster) have this one under control....

YG's @ss handed to him...CHECK

guess there is nothing for me to do...but call it a day..and head home...

Damn, Mark...the wrong guy jumped on it!!! lol

Mark In Toronto,

Even knowing it will no do any good. I'll take a stab at it anyway.

First of all, "ADULT CHILDREN" refers to the plural, which means more than one.

2nd of all, it refers to being of "LEGAL ADULT AGE", which doesn't necessarily mean of "REAL ADULT REASONING CAPACITY".

Like I said, Vegas odds are still against you ever understanding. My greatest of empathy be with you.... May God Bless......

So, wouldn't being of legal age just mean ADULT?

In case you haven't noticed, over hundreds of years, the modern English we all use is quite a handy tool to communicate thoughts without you making up absurd definitions for made up terms.

Stick to whatever else you do during the day, I don't know what it is but it's got to be better than your grasp on the English language.

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