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The day's doings at Dolphins camp

I've had several readers and twitter followers ask me about the Dolphins lack of tackling acumen in the preseason opener and, as they saw the Bengals run an Oklahoma drill on the premier episode of Hard Knocks, they asked me why the Dolphins aren't doing that.

It's a fair question because the Dolphins know they struggled tackling the ballcarrier in the preseason opener.

"I thought the tackling was poor, very bad," defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle said Wednesday. "But it's not atypical of a lot of preseason games that I've been involved in for many, many years. I seem to recall many games where we've come right back and talked aobut how poor the tackling was."

The tackling was so bad against Dallas, the Dolphins yielded 170 rushing yards and five yards per carry. According to Coyle, 93 of those rushing yards came after a first opportunity to make a tackle failed.

"If we had made the tackle after the initial contact, we would have had a heck of a game," Coyle said. "But we didn't so I'm not making excuses."

Coyle believes the tackling issue are understandable early in the preseason.

"We've only had one true tackling experience and that was in the scrimmage the week before," he said. "So all of a sudden the speed of the game increases, the angles change a little bit and the backs are running harder than they do in practice when you're tagging them off. So we've got to be better and worked hard this week both days in practice, I don't know if you guys noticed, at doing a number of tackling drills. So during the course of the preseason I think you'll see the tackling improve. I do believe that's something we need to improve and hopefully we'll be much better at it this week."

As to the Oklahoma drill that the Bengals and other teams use, Coyle is familiar with it because he came from Cincy before joining the Dolphins.

"The Oklahoma drill is a one-shot deal," he said. "I was somewhere where it was a one-shot deal. We did it the first day of camp and everybody got one shot at it and we didn't do it again until the next training camp. There's not many teams that are going to feature that kind of contact at training camp.

"Now if it continues to be a problem, we're going to have to address it if it continues to be a problem but I don't believe it'll be a problem for us."

On to today's practice:

The Dolphins got great news in that WR Mike Wallace returned to full work for the first time since straining a groin nearly two weeks ago.

Wallace's presence was felt as Ryan Tannehill connected with the speedy receiver on a 40-yard bomb over the top of the defense and against Nolan Carroll's one-on-one coverage. The play was a TD.

One thing: I'm not sure I'd blame Carroll exclusively on the play. He had zero safety help over the top. Not a good look for the deep secondary.

Today was a much, much, much better day for Tannehill following his four-INT day on Tuesday. He only threw one interception -- to Dimitri Patterson -- and had three TD passes. So good recovery by the starting QB.

TE Michael Egnew had a very good practice. He caught three TD passes from various QBs and didn't have a drop. All his TDs were from inside the 10-yard line, suggesting a little toughness in a tight area.

Carroll, who was beaten for the deep TD, recovered with an interception of QB Pat Devlin. It was Devlin's first full practice since being knocked out of Sunday preseason opener. It wasn't necessarily a good day for him because he threw two interceptions -- to Carroll and Chris Clemons.

Practice was punctuated by a minor skirmish between the starting OL and second-team DL. Richie Incongnito and Mike Pouncey obviously had a disagreement with defensive tackle Tracy Roberts and although punches were thrown, no one seemed to be the worse for wear after the 30-second scrum.

Other highlights, lowlights, observations:

***Brian Hartline dropped two passes.

***Jared Odrick and Olivier Vernon, held out against Dallas, practiced and seemed to have no issues. They should play vs. Jacksonville on Friday.

***Lamar Miller, who left practice with an ankle injury of some sort, was back today with his right ankle heavily taped. He started working and stopped midway through and was limping noticeably. Then he returned to practice for a couple of periods and left again near the end.

When it came time for the final team drill period, Daniel Thomas took the work in Miller's place.

***Rookie Dallas Thomas, who played at left tackle in the preseason opener, is over at right tackle now. And he's still struggling. Cameron Wake abused him on one pass rush situation that made it seem as if no one was blocking Wake. Coach Joe Philbin said Thomas's problem versus the Cowboys is that the opposing DE continually got better hand position on him and thus had better leverage against Thomas. That usually translates to a lineman getting knocked back on his posterior as Thomas was.

***Jorvorskie Lane, fighting for a roster spot, did not practice today with an unreported leg injury. It doesn't seem serious but he's looked in a tight competition for a roster spot so he really cannot afford to miss much time  ... John Jerry continues to rehab his knee on the side. He's in the third week of what is expected to be a four-week issue. One thing I'll say, he looks big.  

[Update: TE Kyle Miller, who caught a TD pass vs. Dallas Sunday night, was not at practice today because he has an ankle injury. It is not considered serious but he isn't playing at Jacksonville.]

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Yah...L Miller doesn't fumble.... what we saw on Sunday evening was an apparition.......I see..ahuh...

Lets not forget, Tannehill was a WR in a system similar to the one he plays QB in now. He had 2 backup WRs starting with limited exposure to this offense. My point being that T-Hill will see what a WR should do to get open but it will result in bad passes if the WR doesn't have the same perspective.

Again. Tannehill had only 16 Games at the QB position until last year. Why did Ireland select him then? On potential and smarts(he's going to be a Dr. just like me). Not everybody have the same Abilities. Sorry.

There is NO bullpen.....get used to it.....

Mark....

I'm talking about this year....

This year....and then let Tanne fight for his job next season....

but maybe it won't ome to that....let's get off to a fast start (even if Tanne is relegated to care-taker)...

and let's validate some of this hype we have recieved in the off-season.....

For a former WR, Tannehill sure looks like he's moving in slow motion when he scrambling out of the pocket

Kris,

Ryan Tannehill can be compared to those guys by the end of this Season. He had no WR, TE or Running Game. And only Luck had as much Offense to Run as Tannehill.

RG3 runs what Shanahan told him to run. The Pistol formation. No Audibles. And they spent as much as we did this year, last year, in Free agency.

R.Wilson has M.Lynch, and half the Team on Steroids. And Was only running a Handful of formations. With no chance of changing plays at the line.

Plus all those guys started Twice as many games at Qb.

Tannehill was still learning the Position.

I guess the trick here is to put whatever Ability you have to good work and don't compare yourSelf to others. Yes?

Woodshed...Dashi....

You guys narrow this down to ONE pass if you want....

but Tanne threw more than ONE pass....and NONE of them looked sharp....

Correctable....perhaps....

Dashi...Woodshed....

If the # of starts mattered so much for Tanne.....The Ireland shoudn't have taken him @ # 8.....

the BOTTOM LINE is this....

He was drafted by the FINS in the 1st RD....and I expect him to perform as such....

I don't know why that is a bad thing....

We are talking about performance....well...his latest performance stunk.....

in a day or so....we will see if Tanne can change the conversation...

So Coach Coyle doesn't want to do a tackling drill unless it's necessary......

....that's kind of like wanting to cook an omelet without cracking open the eggs !!!!!!

Well, Kris, it was the perfect time for Ireland to draft a pretty raw QB with no ceiling as potential being the we had a pretty raw HC also. We were going nowhere last year and Ireland knew it. Doesn't this make sense to you?

Look at the stats. They charged Tannehill with the Fumble. Not L.Miller.

Tannehill took his arm out before time.

L.Miller never really had Possession. So T-Hill is charged with the fumble.

But I doubt that will happen often. Or happen again.

L.Miller can Run. And Can Run Fast. He doesn't dance and he runs Fast!! He glides thru the Hole, Then hits another gear going thru it. He also has the speed to turn the Corner.

L.Miller can gain yards in Bunches. Not just on 1 Carry.

No Oscar....it doesn't...

why?

because Ireland STILL doesn't have a new contract....

Looks like Ross wants to see results...not potential....

Sometimes, there are occult things to Most eyes.

Got to agree with Dashi on that one....

Miller looks fantastic....fast...and easy moving...

Okay Oscar...your reasoning has merit....but if he keeps throwing behind receivers....or continually mistimes his throws, or continues to zone in on ONE target , then we have a problem....do you concede that?

LAMAR MILLER HAD 2 CARRIES FOR 23 YARDS.

WHAT FOOL IS COMPLAINING??

SLOW MOTION TRUTH? HOW COME THE COACHES DON'T SEE IT IN PRACTICE?

YOUR AN IDIOT TRUTH, JUST ADMIT IT.

If, hasn't happened yet, Buster. I live Day to Day.

OK, Kris, if that is so, is good on Ross's part to do it. I would do the same thing.

Buster, how many practices, have you been to?

You act like you've seen all his throws.

Or are you just talking out your assss?

He does look like he's moving slow when he scrambles, maybe hes fast but it takes a while for Tannehill to get to top speed

Kris,

Like MOST things on here, you and I couldn't disagree more on how we see it. Can we put the first play to bed, once and for all. Miller f8cked up! Plain and simple. Inside the 10 yard line, first play of the game, the runing back needs ot do a better job with the ball. I actually have NO lcue why we're even debating this. It seems that most people have conceded that Miller f8cked up but you (and maybe Dashi). My guess is if this was Thomas you'd be all over him.

Secondly, it's inconceivable to me that you could draw conclusions about Tannehill based on the short amount of time he played. As I said to you in an earlier post, there were games when he started that way last year but he completely settled down and actually had good games. That may or may not have happened this game. We'll never know. But I think to judge him on five throws, when he's missing his two receivers is premature.

And then to compare his last year to RGIII or even Luck is a totally unfair comparison. It's like saying, how come the guy taken in the same round as Peyton Manning wasn't as good as him. You have to understand, Luck and RGIII are two of the best QBs to come out in YEARS. Look at the trade-up price for RGIII. Huge! Tannehill isn't that guy. Very likely he never will be. He just doesn't have the skillset. The other guys are freaks. But I still truly believe, if given time, he could develop into something along the lines of Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco wasn't a star for day one, and please spare me the 'took his team to the playoffs every year' crap. We all agree Ozzie has done a Hell of a job putting that team together. If Joe Flacco was a star from day one, he would have played in a Pro Bowl long before now. He's grown as a QB and so can Tannehill. To condemn Tannehill because of the group of receivers he had last year (you don't even like Hartline) is completely unfair.

I guess nobody's job is secure in this Organization until they prove their worth to It. As it should be.

I said IF he continues...which is predicated on the fact that so far these are among his current shortcomings....the Day to Day truth is that it's problematic...and to date hasn't been corrected....

....that's all I'm saying, IF you can follow ...

Perhaps Oscar....

but it is looking like Ross let Ireland spend like a mad man....and bring in EVERY player that Ireland (and maybe coach joe) saw fit.....

Ross basically gave Ireland ALL the rope he needs.....now the question becomes...

does he Hang himslef....or climb out of this hole....

I'm rooting for him....

Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
Dolphins fans are not prepared nor intellegent enough to talk franchise quarterback.
LMAO@UHOMERS.

I agree....Ross can't be faulted for not spending....have criticized his lack of football experience...but have to give him kudos on opening the wallet this pre-season...time for the Coaches to make it a success....and Ireland still may have to invest more of Ross money on a Left Tackle before the first regular season game...

Craig M....

I don't care who caused the fumble....those things happen....especially in pre-season....what I DO care about is that it didn't happen again during that game....and I hope not to many more.....

What I did see...time and time again was errant and bad passes fom Tanne....I am ONLY commenting on what I saw...not on what could have been...maybe he gets better as the game progress...maybe he doesn't....we will ever know...

and if we can't compare Tanne to his draftmates...

then tell me...PLEASE....who do we compare him to....

he doesn't play like Flacco....and he has the Skillset of a Rodgers...mobility and athletisitsem wise....

its up to Tanne to put it together....

As a matter fact....

Tanne is closer to 3 and Luck skillset wise then he is to Flacco....

Devlin>than Flacco. For my taste.

kris.
thill = henne.
lol

When we talk about the QB class of 83....

don't we talk about the QB class of 83...

Marino
Kelly
Elway
Obrien


All had differnt and contrasting styles....but they are forever linked....with Elway sitting @ the top....

QB class of 04...

Rivers
Manning
Rothesburger

Eli and Big Ben in an Arms race for SB rings....

they will forever be compared as well...

Sorry Craig M....QBs are compared to draftmates FIRST...and all time GREATS o bust thereafter....

Kris,

Agreed that he has the athleticism to be very good in this league. I'm just saying, the Colts had Wayne last year and draft a couple of good TEs high in the draft. Plus they had the kid that really lit it up last year. Who did Tannehill have? Hartline, who I know you've criticized on here more than once, Bess, who's never a starting WR in the NFl, Fasano, who we'd all agree is average and guys like Clay and Matthews. Did you really expect Tannehill to light it up with those guys? REALLY?

Now if we don't see improvement soon, I agree it's time to start changing the plans. If he doesn't have an improved season from last year, I think both he and Moore come to camp next year to fight it out for the job and if no better the year after that, we draft his replacement.

Agreed?

Kris,

That's fine to compare QBs, but was there anyone putting any stock in the comparison after ONE season? If that was the case then we'd all have said Eli Manning was the lesser of the three QBs. Would anyone say that today?

That's not what Omar Kelly said.

STEVEN MORRIS IS BETTER THAN JOHHNY MANZIEL.


JUST ASK THE MANNINGS..

So 'Mando, does JJ look big,in a good way, or just fat?

We should have kept our 2nd rounder pick Menelik Watson or other OT and we should have picked Eiffert with the 12th. Bengals are looking legit now.

OKAY I'M DRINKING THE KOOL-AID AND HERE IS WHY ? BARRING ANY MAJOR INJURIES. THE FINS SHOULD BEAT CLEVELAND,(1) JETS (2) BILLS(2) BETWEEN ATL,CAROLINA,TB,NO THE FINS WILL WIN 1-2 GAMES BETWEEN SD,PITTS,COLTS,BENGALS,RAVENS, THE FINS WILL WIN 2-3 GAMES AND FINALLY NE AND I FEEL FINS WIN (1). I CAME TO THIS CONCLUSION BECAUSE OF WHAT I'M SEEING FROM 3 PLAYERS THAT SHOULD IMPROVE THIS TEAM 3 MORE VICTORIES(GRIMES,JORDAN,WALLACE). AGAIN BARRING MAJOR INJURIES. GRIMES MAKES THE SECONDARY BETTER,JORDAN TEAMED WITH WAKE MAKES THE PASS RUSH BETTER ALONG WITH THE IMPROVED PLAY OF VERNON AND SHELBY. LAST YEAR THE FINS HAD (42) SACKS !! WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR FROM JORDAN WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY HE SHOULD DELIVER 5 PLUS SACKS ? YES ! HOW ABOUT VERNON ? 5 PLUS ? YES ! AND WITH SHELBY AT LEAST 3-4 RIGHT ? THAT'S OVER 50 SACKS AS TEAM THAT WILL LEAD TO MORE 3 & OUTS AND MORE TURNOVERS WHICH IS WHY THE COACHING STAFF IF MAKING THIS THE TOP PRIORITY OF THE TEAM (WINNING THE TURNOVER BATTLE) IF THIS HAPPENS THAT ALONE IS 2-3 MORE VICTORIES. AS FOR WALLACE HIS PRESENCE WILL MAKE DEFENSES PLAY THE FINS DIFFERENTLY!! NO MORE STACKING THE BOX, NO PRESS COVERAGE ON ONE SIDE OF THE FIELD AND IF YOU DOUBLE HARTLINE AND WALLACE THAN KELLER WILL KILL YOU ALL DAY. VERY FEW PEOPLE PAYED ATTENTION TO MILLER'S RUNNING IN HOF GAME ALL THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT IS HIS TURNOVER. SPEAKING OF TURNOVERS IF FINS WIN TURNOVER BATTLE EVEN IN THAT GAME WHO WINS ?? FORGET OT, FORGET O-LINE BEING PERFECT !! YOU CAN'T SACK QB EVERY PLAY AND YOU WILL NOT STOP RUN EVERY PLAY BUT IF YOU DO NOT TURN THE BALL OVER AND YOU CREATE TURNOVERS YOU WILL WIN IF YOU CAN SCORE ENOUGH !! THAT IS WHERE WALLACE WILL HELP!! 10-6? HELL YEAH !! 12-4 ? NOT DRINKING THAT MUCH BUT WITH A LITTLE LUCK ?? 11-5 ? VERY POSSIBLE ALSO BUT ONLY AFTER 10TH WIN HAS BEEN DONE. GO PHINS !!

egnew will be in the probowl by years end. reminds me of kellen winslow of the sandiego chargers. hes the best.

Hey Mando, WTF has the Hearald done to the digital version of the Paper??? MAN, they have REALLY F___D it UP!!! You can't even get to the Dolphins sports page or your column without having to Scroll way down the page and click on whatever sports link they show and then go through a Gyration of clicks before finally finding you!!! Just Saying, if the Hearld wants to play games just to make a few extra bucks, they are going to lose ME and a Hell of a lot of other Dolphin followers.!!! Your Thoughts Mando???

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