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The lesser known DE is having a big camp

You know Cameron Wake. He's one of the NFL's top 100 players as selected by his peers.

You know Dion Jordan. He was the player the Dolphins boldly moved up in the draft to take at No. 3 overall and has already been likened to Jason Taylor and Aldon Smith.

You know Olivier Vernon. Much has been written about his fine start to this training camp and his potential to be a starter this season.

You should know Derrick Shelby.

He's having a fine camp. He had a sack in the scrimmage. He had a sack in the preseason-opener against Dallas. Coaches love him.

“Derrick is a very sound football player," coach Joe Philbin said. "He is going to do it exactly the way [assistants] Kacy Rodgers, Charlie Bullen and Kevin Coyle want it done. I love him because he keeps his shoulder pads square. He gives effort. He is in the right spots when he is supposed to be. He knows what gap he has. He’s not jumping around things. He plays through people. He’s doing a nice job."

Shelby made the team last season as a rookie that took well to coaching and rarely made mistakes. This camp, he's trying to make the jump to actually making plays.

And so far, so good.

"I see more production out of Derrick, stating the other night," defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle said. " He’s always a guy that you can count on the be in the right place, he’s very dependable, yet we saw that playmaking ability the other night and we’ve seen it throughout training camp.  He’s been difficult to block, he’s gotten more pressure on the quarterback, he’s been the guy that we feel very pleased with at this point in camp and he’s made a lot of progress."

As the Dolphins added talent at defensive end in the draft -- obviously with Jordan -- the idea of keeping Shelby seemed like something of a luxury. But Shelby so far has earned his spot. He is so far entrenched on the second team defense.

And because he's 280 pounds, he seems more able to hold the point on early run downs aside from his growing pass rush skills.

In other words, Shelby is finding a good niche on the team. And his prospects of staying on the team seem very, very good.

[Injury update: FB Jorvorskie Lane, who missed practice Wednesday with an unkown injury, is expected to play against the Jaguars Friday. The Dolphins are still finalizing decisions on playing Lamar Miller (ankle) and Mike Wallace (groin). Jared Odrick (groin), Brian Hartline (calf) and Olivier Vernon (groin), all of whom missed the preseason-opener, are expected to play. Dannell Ellerbe, who missed the preseason opener, is expected to play. Randy Starks (knee) and John Jerry (knee) are definitely out.]

[Update: Miller, who has been nursing the tender ankle the last two practices, is expected to play barring a last minute complication ... CB Jamar Taylor (hernia recovery) is not expected to play.]

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The Bengals seemed to be a franchise on the rise with a young Carson Palmer. The Bengals found ways to bungle that away. Even had Palmer not suffered the devastating injury he had.

Bengals fo has always done well at shooting itself in the foot. That's why in the long run I believe Dalton fares no better than Carson Palmer. Not because of talent, but, the fo will find a way to do itself in.

Seems this has always been their infamous history.

Woodshed, your entire 2nd tier are likely HOFers.

Posted by: Dolphin Observer | August 08, 2013 at 01:36 PM

I think 2 will likely be but the difference in 1st and 2nd tiers will very subjective depending on how you rate that QB's supporting talent and its overall impact in wins and losses.

What I'm basically saying in my breakdown is Eli, Big Ben got their SB wins with a much better supporting cast than a 1st tier guy needed. People will see that differently obviously.

Tannehill needs to at least rise to Dalton's level this season. If we can feel with any kind of certainty h is our franchise future.

Tannehill was 9th overall pick. We cant judge him by the same standards we tried to hold onto and judge chad Henne. At least Henne was only a 2nd rd pick.

Tannehill must play like a 9th overall pick this season or he's fast approaching backup destination. Even backup destination for a 1st rd qb, many consider bust.

I have as much confidence in Tannehill as I did in Henne.

I for one, will be one of Tannehill's harshest critics this season. Im holding a 9th overall qb to a much different standard than a 2nd rd qb(Henne).

We made excuse after excuse for Henne's poor play. But how did that work out for us? It's sh-t or get off the pot for Tannehill this year for me.

Dalton was no joke last year. No way to realistically expect RT to reach 4,200 yards or whatever that was.

And the bengals didn't exactly muss up Palmer's career. A dirty and what would now be illegal hit by Kimo Van Oelhoffen (sp?) did in Palmer.

I think there is a thin line between 3rd tier guys like Romo and Rivers and 2nd tier guys like Flacco and Eli Manning. IMO it comes down to coaching,surrounding talent, and smarter QB play.

Romo and Rivers could easily be in that 2nd tier if they cut down on mental mistakes, had a better team and a coach who didn't rely so heavily on QB play.

The fact Tannehill was the 8th overall pick has no bearing on how we compare him to Dalton. Should Russell Wilson get a break because he was drafted in the third round? Should the Dolphins have waited until the second round to take Tannehill, because that's where he should have gone. It's NONSENSE! Would we rate Dlaton differently if we'd taken him at 14 the year before? How about Kaep? Where a guy was drafted has no bearing on his ranking. Where is he in the league, plain and simple. This isn't the old CBA where you have $50 mil invested in your top 5 pick.

Andy Dalton's a pretty good QB. Some work argue top ten or close to it. He's an extra year to work with guys like AJ Green and an extra year in the league. Do we really think it realistic that Tannehill is Dalton's equal this year, with new guys like Wallace, Keller and Gibson to get used. Next year maybe but not this year.

Tannehill should've gone as a 5th rd project. Thats what he looks like.

to date krissy has told yg 101 times he won't be responding to him every again.

kris kry wolf?

Posted by: Craig M | August 08, 2013 at 02:09 PM

I agree with you on draft status shouldn't matter. It is similar to the business accounting term of sunk cost. It's judging an asset based on what an irretrievable cost is. Meaning it has no bearing on future decisions. Only future costs should be considered in whether to keep the asset (football player in this case) or sell (bench, release).

In terms of NFL players instead of stocks or property it simply means " play your best player" if your best guy isn't good enough ensure you have a better replacement before releasing or trading.

Tannehill is a top 25 QB. Hopefully by next season he is top 15

Jumping to conclusions...a communication obstacle where one "judge[s] or decide[s] something without having all the facts; to reach unwarranted conclusions".

So let's just continue to rail on and on aimlessly about Tannehill. But But But..I saw him go 2 for 5 in the HOF and was told he had 4 ints at one day in camp, so I know how T-hill will turn out. Anyone know yet how many TD's T-Hill has thrown in camp this year?


Posted by: Craig M | August 08, 2013 at 02:09 PM


That's "Your View" and you're entitled to it. "You" can never add "WE" to a thing which is only "Yours".

As a dolfan, Im at my "wits end" to being apologetic to sub par and and barely legit qb play. Great qb's usually "show quickly" they are "fast approaching" great. No oppologies are ever necessary for their play.

The only conversation surrounding fast approaching great qb's is:

Exactly How Great They Will Be.......

Tanny isnt even the best QB on his team. Pro or college lol

Woodshed please spare us the business jargon punk!

Andy Dalton's a pretty good QB. Some work argue top ten or close to it. He's an extra year to work with guys like AJ Green and an extra year in the league. Do we really think it realistic that Tannehill is Dalton's equal this year, with new guys like Wallace, Keller and Gibson to get used. Next year maybe but not this year.

Posted by: Craig M | August 08, 2013 at 02:12 PM

I like Dalton but I think he is capable of being what he already is. I don't think he has anymore upside. I'm hoping Tannehill does what RG3 and Wilson did last year which is:

1) have a 90+ passer rating
2) show the ability to win close games in the 4th qtr by playing smart with the lead and playing exceptional in critical situations to win from behind.

If he does that, he has a proven future in the NFL.

Woodshed, @ 2:20, you just brought me back to my 1st year Cost Accounting course. Good times .. well Univesity life more than the course.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | August 08, 2013 at 02:06 PM


My greatest fear with Dalton will be that he's in the Bengal Bungle organization itself. Even without that vicious hit, I only expected Palmer to only go so far because of the organization he was with itself.

The bungle have had very good qb's:

Ken Anderson
Boomer Esiason
Carson Palmer
Andy Dalton

In a much better organization, even the former of these, were good enough to wear sb championship rings. There's always some kind of turmoil the eventually envelopes Bengal Bungle organization itself.

@ 2:23 - that had to be the saddest attempt at spelling "apologies" I've ever seen ...

In year 2, Dan Marino had the greatest passing season in nfl history.

No, Im not holding Tannehill to those standards, but 20-25tds and 12-13 picks isn't to much to ask for either. Especially if he showing he's headed to and not away from greatness.

He must show this NOW.........

@ 2:23 - that had to be the saddest attempt at spelling "apologies" I've ever seen ...

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | August 08, 2013 at 02:31 PM

But, noooo............ circle-jerkers never start anything............

Everyone here has typos...... no exceptions......

Even you derelict idiot sh-t starter.....

YG, STFU Please.

Woodshed @2:20pm,

Very well said. Team had a decision to make on Tannehill. Do you take him or trade down and hope he's there. They choose to draft him at, which was the right call IMO. This idea that a guy is rated based on where he's drafted means nothing to me. Is a like Hasselbeck a better player than somebody else because he was drafted in the sixth round? Does Romo move up because he wasn't drafted? Means nothing to me. Where is a guy relative to everybody eles in the league. That's what it's all about.

haha, YG I love how quickly you snap. Develop some thick skin man, it will do you well...

Admit it tho, I'm your favourite derelict sh*t starter ....


Posted by: The Woodshed Gang | August 08, 2013 at 02:28 PM

Exactly why as fans, at least the smart ones, should give Tannehill "no free lunches" on poor play this season.

I'll only classify that kind of fan behavior as:

Loser Team Breeds Loser Fans Behavior.

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | August 08, 2013 at 02:30 PM

No doubt, some really solid QB's on that list!

Boomer Esiason was one of my favorite QBs to watch play. I don't know that there is any QB who has had as many 400+ yard games with as many teams!


Posted by: The Woodshed Gang | August 08, 2013 at 02:28 PM

I will be ignoring all post to me from you today. Please don't confuse making a comment about one of your posts as communicating to you. It will be blog general.

I profit nothing by picking up the devices of a fool and playing his sport. And neither does that fool..

Sorry Woodshed,

The bottom of that post is to Mark In Toronto

It's not free lunches .. it's just giving a guy an adequate amount of time to develop. Some (actually the vast majority) do need time.

Personally I don't know if he was really a detriment to last years team. I think the kicker had more of a negative impact on the record than the QB.

I think you owe Woodshed and oppologeee

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | August 08, 2013 at

My bad Woodshed, I meant to copy paste this post to Mark. He's trying to get sh-t started.

What I don't get around here is some constantly complain whine and complain about trolldom. Then when you come here to have "CIVILIZED" football conversation, some of the ones who complain most are the first to strike in trollishness.

You cant have it both ways. Cry for peace, then be the first to disturb it.....

YG and his bully mentality, think like me or you are a loser. Ive known way too many jackarses like you in my time dude. Wake the FK up.

Mark @2:45pm


LMFAO.....

How was the honeymoon, Mark? Awesome time?

I'm off to Scotland on Saturday for 16 days, so I'll be needling YG at what will likely be 2:45am over here. You're usually still blogging at that time, right YG?

New lady in my life as well and we've connected beautifully. She's a Meg Ryan look alike and 5foot 11. Not going to become Odin here all of sudden (joking Odin) but things are looking up. In my case, way up.....LOL.

QB's today are expected to developed faster than ever before.

In today's nfl, a qb that has started for 2 consecutive seasons, pretty much is what he has shown he is. Whether he plays for the Miami Dolphins or anyone else for that matter.

Tannehill needs to be no less than "TWICE AS GOOD" as he was last year. Or Houston we have a problem.... a MAJOR PROBLEM.....

You can tell he is an old guy, bet his kids won't even talk to him because he raised them in a household that didnt allow them to be themselves, they had to be like him or suffer the consequences. When they finally did get old enough to make their own decisions he pushed them away for it, they got the he11 out of dodge and now he spends out his lonely days doing the same thing to bloggers. Good job bud.


Mark @2:45pm


LMFAO.....

Posted by: Craig M | August 08, 2013 at 02:51 PM

GREAT EVIDENCE OF HOW THE CIRCLE JERKERS CONDONE EACHOTHER'S BAD BEHAVIOR. YET CRY LIKE PUSSES ABOUT EVERYONE ELSES.


Just too bad these people aren't bright enough to see the log jam in their own eyes while they complain of the tooth pick in the eyes of their brothers.

I pray you forgive them and open their eyes upon their own darkness Heavenly Father.... Amen....

I gave Tanne a pass on last year because our receivers and OL weren't very good. Hard to throw when no one is open, and you are running for your life. Well, he has the receivers this year and the jury is still out on the OL. He has all the physical tools, it's just a matter on if he can cure his accuracy issues and make better decisions.

Right you are YG, the Circle Jerkers, Club of Queens, whatever other name you want to give it.

The reality of the situation is, it's a bunch of guys who can argue football in a civil manner, don't get into name-calling and putdowns and don't hold a grudge until the end of time.

I'm sure you won't get any of what I'm saying but it's as clear as day.

Posted by: LOVE FAKING 17-0-IN-YUR-ASS! | | August 08, 2013 at 02:45 pm

No worries. I see your post wasn't directed towards me. Your right on Tannehill. He needs to progress. We have way too much talent on this team to allow a QB development issue keep us away from the playoffs.

I think he has it in him but I'll take the wait and see approach before I get to high or low on him.

Anything less than 17tds passing I will consider not progressing fast enough. Less than 17td passes and Tannehill is more backup than starter quality.

My hopes and expectations for Tannehill.

Combined rushing and passing

4,000 yards +
25 TDS +

Btw, not sure I commented on it but Shelby has looked great so far in camp. This guy has really stepped up his game and is a great depth guy for this team.

Anyone still have HOF game still recorded....I deleted it. I was wondering if any noticed Tannehill's foot work?
Read a comment somewhere he had bad (feet) mechanics that caused throws to be off. I was thinking bad judgement/anticipation. but part of the pre-draft cons were bad throwing motion and foot work.

Posted by: Craig M | August 08, 2013 at 03:03 PM

That's total bs, your entire statement.

"The reality of the situation is, it's a bunch of guys who can argue football in a civil manner, don't get into name-calling and putdowns and don't hold a grudge until the end of time."


The grudges are held by your crew. When I only talk football, its usually one of your crew striking the first trollish blow. Like Mark did today:

2:23 - that had to be the saddest attempt at spelling "apologies" I've ever seen ...

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | August 08, 2013 at 02:31 PM


Then you condoned it:

Mark @2:45pm


LMFAO.....

Posted by: Craig M | August 08, 2013 at 02:51 PM


And yet you guys constantly whine its everyone else.

Good stuff Craig, Congrats to u. Trip was good but tiring. We packed in a lot for two weeks. Not going to complain too much.

Posted by: Craig M | August 08, 2013 at 02:51 PM

One of you guys greatest problem is that you accuse all of these screen names of being me. I have no use to "HIDE LIKE A PUNK B_TCH" to say what I need to say to any of you. The EVIDENCE doesn't LIE.

Things will never get better until youses ditch your paranoid schitzo-phrenic thought process of minds. When nothing changes, nothing changes....

My hopes and expectations for Tannehill.
Combined rushing and passing
4,000 yards +
25 TDS +
Posted by: NeMo | August 08, 2013 at 03:08 PM

WELCOME to Fantasy Island.

Yg, I just made a small joke. Nothing personal and I didn't mean to upset u. I oppologeyes.

Lets hug it out ...

@ 3:17. I'm guessing Tanny can pad his passing stats with an additional 400 rushing yards and 4 TD's.

And Craig, remember with this one stress the need for dolphins Sundays. No picnic's nor couples pedicures nor tea with mum during the fall. Your relationship will be better off with this understanding.

through the ground.

YG,

You're goiong to get no sympathy from me, bud. I've told you MANY times on here when you talk strictly football you're a good guy and make good points. Unfortunately, you take the gloves off WAY too much, get upset when people don't agree with your points, and spend the rest of the time ripping into them, calling them names and going all crazy on people.

And then you wonder why people get pissed off at you. You're the ONLY guy that does it. Take a look around...

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | August 08, 2013 at 03:18 PM


You see, that's the difference between you guysand everyone else. If its done to you, its a trollish attack. When you do it to others, you cry it was a joke.

Try to stick to allowing others the same latitude you allow yourselves. If you would perceive it as an attack from another, don't do it too others.

If your just joking, then include that in your post.

MANBRACE!

Mark,

Excellent point. She showed up to the first date with Dolphin colours on, so that's a good sign Mark. Wish I could take her with me to Scotland. Next time....

Posted by: Craig M | August 08, 2013 at 03:20 PM


At least 90% of the time I don't strike until first being stricken.

Of course you would say I constantly do this when counting all of the many troll names here you guys constantly falsely accuse me of.

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