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Vernon likely starting DE, Lane demoted

First round pick Dion Jordan is unlikely to win the starting defensive end job opposite Cam Wake because he hasn't gotten enough work in practice or games to mount the challenge and is unlikely to get much work any time soon as he nurses the recurring shoulder injury that has nagged him this year.

Jordan, who had shoulder surgery in February and missed all of the offseason and the start of camp, re-injured the same shoulder in Friday night's preseason game against Jacksonville. It is not considered serious but he did not practice the past two days and while his status is day-to-day, he may not even play in the preseason game against Houston Saturday.

"We're obviously taking some precautions as we move forward with Dion," defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle said. "We don't want to overload him at this point. We got a plan in place to get him ready to participate at the level we feel best at at the beginning of the season so we'd like to see as much of him as we can but we're going to be careful how we proceed."

While the Dolphins do expect Jordan to be ready for the Sept. 8 opener at Cleveland, his role will likely be as substitute on passing downs. Olivier Vernon will be the starting right end, barring an unforseen circumstance.

The only way Jordan could change that is by getting more work in practice. But, of course, that's not likely to happen now that the team is taking "precautions" with the rookie because of the shoulder.

"He hasn't gotten the reps that would be necessary to put him out there and start at this point," Coyel said. "But you still have three weeks of training camp. It's a little bit premature to determine exactly what his status will be at the beginning of the season. We're taking it one day at a time."

Today it became clear Jorvorskie Lane is struggling to keep his spot on the roster, much less his starting fullback job from a season ago. Lane was relegated to snaps with the reserves while Evan Rodriguez took all the available first-team snaps at fullback.

That endangers Lane's spot on the roster because the Dolphins are going to keep one fullback at most when they trim the roster to 53 players and the backup fullback won't be one of those.

That doesn't, however, mean Rodriguez is secure in winning a roster spot. He must still perform well but even if he does, the Dolphins may still decide to go without any fullbacks on the roster and instead let H-back Charles Clay fill that role as well as his duties at tight end.

Dolphins offensive coordinator Mike Sherman has said he likes using Clay and tight end Dustin Keller in the lineup at the same time and that makes the fullback position one of uncertainty.  

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tiredfinfan | August 12, 2013 at 07:37 PM

Do you take vitamins? Try that and skip the junk food and you and your posts won't be so tired.

I've had it! I'm done being a fan of a team that always loses. Same story ever season. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of this stupid blog. Enough is Enough.


But...I'll still be posting everyday.

@ Tiredfinfan...exactly !! It was not a smart strategy..not only because the player was not 100%, but more importantly because we STILL don't have a viable LT....once the 2nd round pick was used in the move up to #3, that was the end of any chance to trade for Albert, whom we needed , and are regretably without...

...the GLARING deficiency caused by Long's departure still exists, and that is where Ireland has failed..

..and that is what myself and others are so annoyed over...

Some of you are in a coma. Martin is a viable LT, which is why they didn't waste money or picks on has-been LT's.

Martin as scouted as a first round LT. Martin helped Luck be the #1 pick. Martin played most of his first season out of position.

He has progressed to starter calibur with plenty more upside. He is only going to get bigger and he is already quick and nimble.

Posted by: Buster | August 12, 2013 at 07:46 PM

Ireland didn't need to draft a LT in 2013 because he found one in 2012. His name is Jonathan Martin. Thats why we were able to take the BPA and not reach on a need.

Where have you been for the last year? Try to keep up please.

Just because some of you are very slow, doesn't mean everyone else is.

It is very likely Martin was drafted as insurance against the injured, cocky, greedy Long.

Kudos to Ireland for thinking ahead.

Aha...so the reports of Martin being beaten daily in practice by Wake must be false then....well, that's good to know..

...or is it Vernon that beats him soundly...or is it both?....

please .....

@ Woodshed...hpold on there....if that's the case, what was all the noise being made by the FO, through the press, that Albert was highly sought...Why did Ireland try so hard for Albert if martin was already the solution?....

..no sir, I'm not buying that explanation, sorry...

...so I guess Ireland is the one who should be keeping up, eh?.....or did he forget he had Martin?...which is it?

Either he had a LT in Martin, or he needed one in Albert...or the couple of others he sought to sign this off season..???? hmmm?

Preseason is for training and evaluation. The evaluation says Martin has steadily gotten better. That will be true for years to come.


Wait and see...and maybe you should learn to not be so gullible about know-nothing writers commenting on practice.

...and it is Coach Philbin who has stated that Martin needs to work on fundamentals...that he has to time his punch better...that he has to get his feet under him better....

..or am I , in my slowness , fabricating what the Coach has said???????

In the 98 draft JJ took JT with our 3rd RD selection at 6'6"/235 Pds. and we kicked off the 98 Pre-Season playing in Azteca Stadium in Mex. City. The only reason I recall that is because we were playing Denver and Taylor was imediately placed on the field at RDE opposite Trace Armstrong were he proceeded to sack the always very nimble in the pocket Elway on back to back plays. I'm sure some will remember it now that I've brought it up. Jordan did not have that type of eye popping play much less back to back in his debut but you can see his athleticism was something teams would have to contend with eventually when facing Miami.

The conundrum for me is why we drafted a player who can run a sub-4.6/40 (much faster that K.Misi's 4.85) and was featured in pass coverage in College while being able to rush off the much more difficult SOLB Pos. ALA L.Woodley and were insisting on playing him with his hand in the dirt strictly as a 4/3 DE??? He reminds of Woodley only with the athletic ability of L.Timmons (playing MLB in Pitt. 3/4) a combination of those 2 were Woodley is a pass rush demon and Timmons one of the best coverage LB's in Football nobody really mentions?!

I REALLY HOPE! Were playing/practicing in the bubble with him over at SOLB (a possibility given Misi didn't see the field with the starters in Jax which apparently everybody sort of missed) Anything less given the trade and draft Position to land him wasted IMO if he's strictly a part timer on 3rd down/pass situation (I posted such after the draft and we all sort of agreed here)The shoulder trouble (his left) could also have something to do with the 60 Pds he gives way to the Tackles he faces an issue by the way also with JT which I'm some might recall.??

JT had a string of succesive hand to shoulder injuries between 98-2000 were L.Bromell would take his spot before he finally got over it Yr.3 leading me back then to think Bromell and Mixon very important and if I may say Taylor's most productive Yrs. came as HYBRID in Saban's 3/4 05-06 and what I envisioned when this pick was read by Comissioner on draft day, so well see but if they leave him (and obvious pass upgrade he is over Misi) at DE I have SERIOUS reservations of were he's headed and the sense in both the pick and evaluation of Koyle regarding this piece of the puzzle.

.....or did I just pick this stuff up at the schoolyard?????

..The idea that you have to be a speed demon to be an effective tight is false. Size, and ability to find the open spaces are much more important then being able to outrun people. When healthy. Who is the most productive, and well rounded tight end in the NFL? I would say Gronkowski. Is he a burner? How about Jason Witten? Dennis Pita? Heath Miller? How about a guy a lot of Phin fans wanted. Jermicheal Finley? These guys are all pretty effective?
As a tight end, you have a tremendous size advantage over the guys covering you. And if you are considered "slow" You are probably faster then most linebackers assigned to cover you. So if you know how to use your size to your advantage. You can get away with being "slow" whatever that means.

Did anyone see how horrible Jake Long looked?

And where is Oscar? Tayvon was also played like crap.

Oh...I get it...now the writers are slow.....really....

...everyone whom disagrees with you....I got it !

*who..not whom...

Dion Jordan = Damaged goods

Thanks again Irescum.

DION JORDAN MAY NEVER RECOVER.


PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT


@ Woodshed...hpold on there....if that's the case, what was all the noise being made by the FO, through the press, that Albert was highly sought...Why did Ireland try so hard for Albert if martin was already the solution?....

..no sir, I'm not buying that explanation, sorry...

Posted by: Buster | August 12, 2013 at 08:04 PM

Woodshed is RIGHT Matin was picked in 2012 to replace Long who was already breaking down. When drafted Long was such a SUPER athlete he ran his conditioning drills with the LB's in Camp by his last Yr. in Miami he could barely run it with the Lineman!

Injury (which began with him getting hurt in meaningless Pre-Season action in 09 at Dallas) were Sparano kept playing him on a BAD KNEE which required surgery leading Long to play on one leg were he was shifting his POWER to his upper body causing him to breakdown by week-10 that Yr. finishing his Season Vs. Chicago on a Thursday night game were he played with a brace on his knee and a harness and you KNOW who to blame for speeding up the attrition with what was an ELITE talent!

Neither here nor there anymore and by the way don't get everybody dogging Martin after the Jax game were I saw again and he played SOLID. It was the interior of the line that kept BREAKING down until Garner replaced Samuda (I was wrong about this player and will admit it) on the 4th possesion were we finally scored. The BIG ? here is how long it takes Jerry to get back and whether Louis ws worth the gamble? That aside I don't feel that B.Albert was as pursued as much as some think given the pick we traded to Oak. to move up would have been enough to land Albert via trade and also important take into account as well that nobody League wide bit here with LT the commodityit is!

Chill Fin4life, Philbin already said Jordan is playing D line LB and safety.
And he will play everydown not just situational

THE WORLD HAS NEVER SEEN A FREAK OF NATURE LIKE DION JORDAN.

KEVIN COYLE SHOULD FEEL LIKE A KID IN THE CANDY STORE.

A week ago, the word from the defensive staff was that Jordan was impressive enough to compare to Jason Taylor.......suddenly now he is being restricted from practicing because they want to bring him along slowly...

...I read in between those lines that his recovering shoulder has been aggravated, the extent of which no one is saying...

..are they letting the fan base down gently?

...what's next, that he is on IR?......Let's hope not.

Darryl @8:13,

Agreed also a player who can judge the ball in the air and box out the defender. IMO the reason so many players with College Basketball rebounds are becoming productive NFL T.E.'s, Jimmy Graham really comes to mind here. I feel we may have hit a home run with Sims here and his weight loss and conditioning upon arrival at Training Camp is one of the quite (BIG) stories of this Yrs. Pre-Season.

Fin4life..yah..Martin was drafted to eventually play LT....Long went down mid-way last season..Martin replaced him...Martin struggled...

...jump to this off season....Ireland hotly pursued just about every FA LT available ....and came away with ZERO....

...so of course Martin is the remaining choice , but he was not the primary one....
...so Ireland rolled the dice that Martin could be coached up to improvement...well, the jury is still out on that strategy, isn't it?

Silence, stupid old man!


Chill Fin4life, Philbin already said Jordan is playing D line LB and safety.
And he will play everydown not just situational

THE WORLD HAS NEVER SEEN A FREAK OF NATURE LIKE DION JORDAN.

KEVIN COYLE SHOULD FEEL LIKE A KID IN THE CANDY STORE.

Posted by: D11 | August 12, 2013 at 08:35 PM

Hope your correct because I live in Miami and catch Sunday sports final every week were Jordan has been discussed in interviews with the Coach and hadn't heard this??

Buster
You are absolutely right, but you know with JI at the helm they always try to hide things by covering up the truth, but I'm with you I hope Jordan is ok and not out for the year. I couldn't understand why any GM moves up to #3 to draft a player that is hurt when Ross said he wants to win now, but they don't sign Long to protect T-Hill and give Martin time to learn from a vet. They are riding on T-hill to win this year but he is not ready and still struggling with accuracy. But around here don't talk about Tanny because they will rip your head off...a they think this team is going to un-seed the Pats. That's just hilarious! I'm a true PHINS fan but this team offensively is not even close. Especially OL
But I have some hope..

Buster,

Sorry to tell you that you are gullible and slow. You mean to say you actually BELEIVE the snow flakes Philbin is telling you?

Gosh you are easy. Do you REALLY think he'd leak ANYTHING worthwhile? Have you not noticed how many times GM's and coaches praise a player and the next day they are cut? It works both ways.

You must be very young. Time for you to get up to speed in the real world.

Well, I might be old,schoolyard, slow and stupid....but I'm not, nor will I ever be, reduced to name calling...


...so Ireland rolled the dice that Martin could be coached up to improvement...well, the jury is still out on that strategy, isn't it?

Posted by: Buster | August 12, 2013 at 08:48 PM

NO QUESTION! The jury is out till the end of the 2013 Season in my book given at that point we see if Long closed for the Rams and just how efficient he was Vs. the speed rushers in the NFC West.

If Martin is serviceable and Long unspectacular (ALA last Yr. Vs. Indy) then call it a wash (with money/CAP saved)

If Long doesn't finish and Martin is still serviceable then call it a win! Unless Long recaptures Pre-09 form the money he demanded plus fact he was paid over 60 Mil. by us make the move something inevitable from my prospective.

Okay...fin4life...then we agree to this point....great !!

I could be wrong(very rare) but I think Jake Long has multiple pro bowls ahead of him.

If you want to make a safe bet, you can bet nothing a GM or HC says in an interview is what they are thinking. They only speak to the press out of obligation by the NFL. Belichek is great at saying nothing. Others simply lead you down the yellow brick road.

Nobody ever gives you the truth. Football is war.

Guys, the real problem is RT as well as LT. Its 2 positions that are weaker than last year.

DO @ 9:09,
And playoff games.

Good to see an actual, you know, football conversations.
BTW, agree with fin4 & Buster

Cogno,
Is your named supposed to be Congo?

LT, RT, RG.....exactly...so why the did they draft a DE @ #3 ???????????????..and give up a 2nd rounder to boot.....????? this is the point....

..or am I just being gullible?

...jump to this off season....Ireland hotly pursued just about every FA LT available ....and came away with ZERO....

...so of course Martin is the remaining choice , but he was not the primary one....
...so Ireland rolled the dice that Martin could be coached up to improvement...well, the jury is still out on that strategy, isn't it?

Posted by: Buster | August 12, 2013 at 08:48 PM

We only looked at FA LTs prior to the draft not afterwards. Why do you think that was the case?

It was all a smokescreen to gage other teams interest before the draft! If we really wanted Albert we would've traded with KC. Also, the Dolphins most likely didn't have the knowledge that the Raiders would take only a 2nd rd pick to move up to #3. We wanted teams to think we wanted a LT so they would reach and leave our draft board intact!


And good thing we have Odrick at DT else we would really have a Log Jam at DE.

It is a good problem to have when you have so much depth you don't know how to divide Minutes/Snaps. I expect Philbin to do a better job than Spo rotating his Players.

Posted by: Dashi | August 12, 2013 at 03:55 PM

To me Odrick was a BIG WASTE of time as 3/4 DE in pass rush. SOLID on run D but not a pass rusher meaning we needed a rotational player on obvious pass downs. He seems physically a much better fit as a 4/3 DT. Really in 08 Parcells blew it when he took Merling with 33 Pick passing on Calais Campbell whose racked up 27 sacks so far in career in a 3/4 were the ends don't tend to rack up a great deal of double digit sack Yrs. Given Campbell was at UM makes the whole thing much more difficult to swallow add passing on Jimmy Graham also out of UM in 2010 taking John Jerry instead and it really makes your head hurt!

Woodshed,
Are you saying that Ireland could have franchised Long AND still moved up to take Jordan?

LT, RT, RG.....exactly...so why the did they draft a DE @ #3 ???????????????..and give up a 2nd rounder to boot.....????? this is the point....

Posted by: Buster | August 12, 2013 at 09:15 PM

Is called desperation.

Woodshed..if KC would have been happy with a later round pick, Albert would be a Dolphin today, and we wouldn't be having this convo...
...but KC wanted a 2nd, and Ireland wouldn't go for it...and nobody will ever convince me otherwise...

...but I respect your interpretation of the events, and your right to express it...


Guys, the real problem is RT as well as LT. Its 2 positions that are weaker than last year.

Posted by: Dolphin Observer | August 12, 2013 at 09:12 PM

Really?? We went with turnstile Columbo in 2011 and rookie Martin who was a College LT and needed seasoning and this Yr. signed a player who played RT in the same zone blocking scheme we want to use at a high level and you feel we down graded??? I think Clabo is the best RT we've had in Yrs!

f4l falls for every troll just looking to play.

Albert - Cogs - Pounce - Louis - Clabo...
.....what a difference maker that would have been.....


Woodshed,
Are you saying that Ireland could have franchised Long AND still moved up to take Jordan?

Posted by: ExposingTheFraud | August 12, 2013 at 09:21 PM

EASILY!! He could have cut D.Patterson along with Carpenter (who I feel is GONE anyway given Sturgis strong leg) as 2 examples out of many were he could have worked the CAP to get Long in Camp. The facts are we've all seen the steep decline in Big Jake happening and the 8 to 10 Mil. a Yr. wasn't in the master plan!

fin4,
Are you saying that Ireland could franchised Long AND moved up for Jordan AND signed Clabo?

We have our opinions. Ireland Philbin and Sherman have their's, which was that they liked Martin better than the other options. They have way more insight on Martin than any of us, so I will trust they know a tad be more than 'sky is falling' bloggers.

Let's let it play out and see if the bloggers knew better. I know where my money is.

In my opinion it would've been a bad idea to franchise Long. I mean 15 million in guaranteed money for a guy that could end the year on IR is just too much.

I think Clabo will be a solid vet presence at RT. Nothing great, but above average/good or at least average.

As for Albert, I didn't want to have to trade a pick and pay him a big contract. Not sure if it was all a smoke screen or not, only Ireland really knows.

I can really only hope Martin does well, I have no proof or anything though. RG someone will fill the hole before the season starts. I think it will be Jerry. Hopefully he isn't too out of shape right now, but I think he actually did a decent job last year.

Good news is we have 2 pro bowl level players in Pouncey and Incognito.

Bill Parcells remembered his biggest career failure by noting he doesn’t talk with one-time protégé, Miami Dolphins General Manager Jeff Ireland. The fall-out remains from Ireland accompanying team owner Steve Ross to interview Jim Harbaugh without Tony Sparano’s knowledge.

Albert - Cogs - Pounce - Louis - Clabo...
.....what a difference maker that would have been.....

Posted by: Buster | August 12, 2013 at 09:26 PM

Outside LT that may just be what we see week-1 Louis may not be playing right now but is practicing and could all of a sudden pop up in Pre-Season week 3 (our 4th) dress rehersal at RG! Albert wants ELITE LT $$$$$ and you keep HARPING as if though there had been some FA free for all regarding him?? Did you see anybody offer up a #2 for him before, during or after the draft?? The Chiefs are going to EAT the 2012 FRANCHISE TAG but money bet that in 2013 Fisher is at LT and they're looking for a RT and then comes the debate aout former Cane E.Winston Vs. Clabo and for me havng watched Clabo now for as couple of Seasons in Televised Falcons games there was NO DEBATE as to who the better player is (I'm a UM LIFER so if the talent even compareable will always take the Cane but not the case here)

I think Clabo is the best RT we've had in Yrs!
Posted by: fin4life | August 12, 2013 at 09:22 PM


J Martin was tons better at RT then Clabo!!!

How much is the franchise cost for a LT?
The franchise contract is equal to the average of the top 5 contracts at that position, no?
How much is Albert getting this year? That is the franchise cost.

why do the dolphins always seem to make a surprise bonehead move on draft day...shock is what i felt when they moved up to #3 overall to select dion jordan, why not the best left tackle in the draft at #3, oops, the eagles breathed a sigh of relief and took him shortly there after--and if not a left tackle, why not big ZIGGY ANSAH...guy looks like a beast so far...yep instead we draft wimpy dion jordan with a bum shoulder...and as i am watcheing the saints game on nfl network, back-up QB mccown looks like all pro as he keeps his eyes down field from the snap, instead of a frightened tannehill looking right then left(not at recievers though) he's looking for big defensive ends who might break free...tanny, keep your eyes down field and let your speedy targets get open fast, and if you can, try to hit them in stride.

Fraud, Jake would've gotten more money than the normal OT tag. Albert was like 9 million. I think Long's tag number would be 13-15 million. Theres a clause in the tag where its the top 5 salaries OR the higher of 15 percent higher than the players salary from the year before.

Jake was making like 11 million so 15 percent more was about 13 mil. Sorry if thats confusing its hard to explain.


fin4,
Are you saying that Ireland could franchised Long AND moved up for Jordan AND signed Clabo?

Posted by: ExposingTheFraud | August 12, 2013 at 09:28 PM

EASILY! Look at the roster! We gave 8.5 in FRANCHISE TENDER to Starks were really could have moved Odrick (plan all along) resigning McDaniel for half already have about 4 Mil. in the pot there alone add Patterson's 4.5 and Carpenter's 2.7 and you had more than enough maybe even still signing Starks at about 5.5 a Yr. average which we don't do probably waiting to see how Odrick does in there this Yr. but work the #'s there are a bunch of scenario's we could have kept Long under.

Also when the Pats throw away guys like Marks and Broderick replacements for the Starks of the world are a dime a dozen.

Tannehill sure has a lot of room to work with Mike Wallace running around.

20 yard box got a whole lot bigger.

Thus giving Keller a pro bowl year.

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