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Saints beat Dolphins (who are not elite)

NEW ORLEANS -- It's only one loss. No big deal. You didn't expect the Dolphins to go undefeated, did you?

Indeed, I believe the Dolphins are still a good team. But they are not elite for reasons I detail in my column in The Herald.

That doesn't make this 38-17 loss any less painful.

"We're not happy," said quarterback Ryan Tannehill, who is pictured getting sacked in the Joe Rimkus photo. "You don't want to perform like that in any situation. So we're not happy with ourselves. But there are things we can correct. and at the end of the day we have a big game coming up in six days. We have to learn from our mistakes in this game and look forward to next week and beat Baltimore."Tannehill sack

Learning from mistakes is important. Learning what your team does very well and doesn't do very well also is important.

New Orleans coach Sean Payton, for whatever reason, understood that Darren Sproles was a matchup nightmare for the Dolphins and no matter what Miami did Sproles made plays. He caught seven passes for 114 yards including a 48-yard catch on a double move that fooled safety Reshad Jones.

"We tried variety of different coverages," Philbin said. "We tried zone, we tried man. We tried pressures. Sproles is very good. We knew he was a good going into the game and we tried different combinations but he was very effective. No question."

The Dolphins, particularly on offense, are still trying to figure out their personnel. They tried Marcus Thigpen in the backfield throughout training camp and finally unveiled it Monday night. It worked as Thigpen caught a 50-yard pass out of the backfield.

But the Dolphins tried this only a couple of times. Not nearly enough to make a difference.

Meanwhile, the team apparently still is convinced Daniel Thomas is a good option in place of Lamar Miller. Think about it:

The Saints scored on their first series but the Dolphins seemed to respond immediately. Lamar Miller rushed five times for 33 yards and, mixed with a couple of Ryan Tannehill completions and a keeper on the read-option, Miami was at the New Orleans 9 yard line.

And then on third and an inch that is where the coaching staff decides it's a good time to bring in Daniel Thomas. And they think a wide pitch three yards deep is the play to run.

Yeah, the play lost two yards.

"It's a play we practiced all week," Philbin said. "We told the players going into the game we like it. It was a variation off a similar play we'd had success with and we didn't execute it as well. But I knew we were going to call it. We practiced it. We were prepared. They made a better play."

Quarterback sneak. Just sayin'.

Also, can I officially request the Dolphins use Lamar Miller on first and second down and Thigpen on third down? And leave Thomas and his 2.8 yards per carry this season on the bench? Please? Miller rushed 11 times for 62 yards, which is a 5.6 yards per carry average.

The Dolphins defense, by the way, is very good against the run. The return of Paul Soliai -- who told me he comes out of this game without re-injurying his knee -- was key and that's perhaps one reason the Saints averaged only 2.8 yards per carry on 244 attempts. They're like a team version of Daniel Thomas.

But Miami's pass defense was atrocious.

Drew Brees threw for 413 yards. He threw four TD passes. His passer rating was 144.5.

And after a week when the Dolphins focused on stopping Jimmy Graham and prepared to stop Jimmy Graham, there was Jimmy Graham dunking the football over the crossbar -- twice.

"We have to do better on defense," Philbin said. "We don't want Jimmy Graham running down the middle of the field wide open."

Yeah, he did that on a 43-yard TD. The Saints ran a sluggo-seam to get Graham open. New Orleans had a receiver on the other side of the formation run a slant and go which drew the safety in that direction. And then Graham just ran past Chris Clemons down the seam. Easy.

(Graham caught the other TD surrounded by three, count 'em, three defenders. Kid's amazing.) 

Miami's deep threat, meanwhile, didn't show much in his hometown. He caught three passes for 24 yards. That's an 8-yard average. He dropped two passes, including a deep shot that might have been a TD.

We were executing our offense but you have to hold on to the ball.

"He made a good play on the ball," Wallace said of the DB on the play. "I don't think he tipped it. I feel like I should have made a play on the ball."

Everyone agreed on this: The Dolphins cannot win a game in which Tannehill throws three interceptions and fumbles the ball away once.

"I feel like we made plays but at the same time we killed ourselves at times," Wallace said. "We have to finish drives and not give up turnovers. We have to make the plays when they count. We can't turn the ball over in scoring territory, especially against a good football team like this, because they're going to capitalize when we make mistakes like that."

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Some general thoughts and ramblings from last nights game and earlier in the year.

Yeah we got destroyed last night. Saints are really good, but I would have liked a better effort than that. Turnover at the end of the first half killed us. Failing on third and 2 inches killed us. Them picking up all those first downs on 3rd and long killed us.

The good: Solia looked back and really good. Odrick and Vernon had nice games too. Miller and Gibson looked good.

The bad: Tannehill and Wallace, our secondary, our linebackers, Dion Jordan was nowhere to be found.

Here's the bottom line. Can the team rally and win a big game against Baltimore next week at home and go to 4-1 heading into the bye? If they win that all is good. If we lose that some questions and doubts will linger in my mind.

Also, Patterson better be ready to go after the bye week. I mean I loved the guy in week 1 when he was on the field, but if you miss 6-8 games a year you are a liability.

bud, that was thomas on that 1 ", not miller.

Not ready to write Martin off yet DC but if he cannot mprove significantly by the end of the season....
And yes, most of us knew before the season started, O-line was lacking. But we let 'hope' get in our way. The hell of it was, the powers that be, suspected but didn't know for sure. I mean, depending on Jerry to zone block? Get outta here.

3-1 is a good start, especially with three of the games on the road. Only delusional fans expected them to win in the Superdome last night. O-line needs significant improvement, but the other areas are coming along fine in my opinion. Defense was missing key players last night. Tannehill needs to get rid of the ball quicker as well. The second half of the schedule is much easier. I expect at least 10 wins and a playoff spot. That is a good season all things considered.

wallaceisgarbage

did anyone see Grimes jump over Grahams head after the touchdown. he looked like we was 10 feet in the air.

OKAY IT WAS A TERRIBLE BUTT KICKIN BUT FOR ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE WRITTEN OFF THE SEASON PLEASE LOOK AT THIS?? RIGHT NOW THE FINS ARE 3-1 WITH THE RAVENS AND BILLS UP BEFORE WE PLAY NE.. ASK YOURSELF ARE WE CAPABLE OF BEATING BOTH THE RAVENS AND BILLS?? DAMN RIGHT!! BOTH GAMES ARE AT HOME AND BOTH DO NOT HAVE ELITE QB LIKE BREES!! I'M SORRY BUT FLACO IS NOT BREES. SO LET'S SAY THE FINS WIN ONE OF THOSE GAMES(THEY WILL) AND NOW THEY SIT 4-2 GOING TO BEAT NE(THAT'S RIGHT BEAT NE) THAT MAKES THEM 5-2 AND IN 1ST PLACE..WE THEN HAVE (NOT IN ORDER)SD,TB,CIN,CAN YOU SEE WINNING 2 OF THOSE GAMES? DAMN RIGHT SINCE 2 ARE AT HOME AND THE BUCS ARE GARBARGE!! THAT'S 7-3 OR 8-2 THEN THERE IS 2 GAMES AGAINST THE JETS, ONE AGAINST THE BILLS, CAROLINA, NE AND PITSBURGH WHO ARE NOT VERY GOOD, BARRING INJURIES CAN YOU SEE WINNING AT LEAST 3 OF THOSE GAMES?? AGAIN DAMN RIGHT!! WIN YOUR DIVISION GAMES GIVES YOU 8 VICTORIES BEAT BAD TEAMS PITTSBURGH AND TB GIVES YOU 10, BEAT SD AND CAROLINA GIVES YOU 12!! SO A WIN SUNDAY AND UPSET BENGALS AT HOME AND NOW WHAT IS THAT 14 VICTORIES? C'MON MAN I'M NOT THAT "HIGH" BUT I'M NOT TO THE POINT OF THINKING ALL THOSE TEAMS WILL BEAT THE DOLPHINS EITHER OUT OF THE REMAINING 12 GAMES CAN WE GO 7-5? AGAIN DAMN RIGHT!! THE KEY TO THIS WILL BE THE COACHES NOT THE PLAYERS. SHERMAN ESPECIALLY HE IS STARTING TO SHOW WHY HE HAS BEEN FIRED EVERY JOB HE HAS HAD. WHY? HIS ARROGANCE IN THINKING HE IS THE BEST PLAY CALLER WHEN HE IS NOT..HE IS DOING A TERRIBLE JOB WITH THE OL AND HAS NO IDEA HOW TO GET THE BALL TO WALLACE. EVERYONE WANT SO BLAME WALLACE GO AHEAD BUT DON'T TELL ME THERE ARE NOT 32 OTHER TEAMS THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE HIM AND I BET THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THERE QB NOT THROW HIM THE BALL FOR 2 GAMES AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE FORCING HIM THE BALL AND HE CLEARLY WASN'T EXPECTING..YOU RUN THE DEEP BALL ONCE A GAME. 10-6 EASY BUT 11/12 IF SHERMAN CAN GET HIS S..T TOGETHER!! GO FINS!! DAMN RIGHT I'M PISSED!!

I put this loss souly on Tannehill. he killed his own drives. you can't give an offense like Saints more plays they will score.

and 3rd and 1 inch....qb sneak everytime, just fall down in the hole between Pouncy and Jerry....

with all that i will take 3 wins and 1 loss every 4 games...

Wallace was garbage last night... He didnt seem like he was there mentally.. I like Wallace and liked the acquistion of him but last night was a forget me game for him...

indian summer...that is what some folks who live in the northern states call a weather pattern that is unseasonably warm for late fall, it is the LAST spike of hot temperatures as the cold has already taken root...and just as miami has shown it has finally CHANGED into a gritty tough team who wins from behind against tough opponants on the road(a philbin hallmark), an indian summer of somewhat was inevitable. as the old ways of a miami team that would simply give up is falling further and further into the rear view mirror, this game served it's purpose and at a favorable time. hopefully, at 3-1, miami can take these lessons into the next week, the bye, and the post season. philbin has changed the culture, anyone can see that this is a totaly different team, and as this game served reminder to the sways things used to be, so should it remind players of the things they need to do like...taking care of the football, catching the ball with your hands and NOT your stomach...

DC, jake Long? He got crushed on Thursday night, didn't he? Justin Smith tossed him around and looked like injured him pretty badly. man, that guy was so good once.

To everyone who says Wallace should be traded. Ain't gonna happen. First, Ireland would never admit he was wrong after signing him to that huge, ridiculous contract by trading him. Second, what team would give up anything worthwhile for him? They'd be taking on that huge contact and only have to watch game film from this year to see he's overrated.
I am not against trading Wallace, I just can't see it happening.

We must sign Solia and Grimes soon!!!!!!!!!!!

MIKE WALLACE GETS PAID MORE THAN EVERY PLAYER ON THE SAINTS (BUT BREES), PATS (BUT BRADY) AND BRONCOS (BUT MANNING).
None of NE WR's make $1mil

I am not a fan of FA WRs anymore. Diva mentality is annoying and possibly a cancer. Much rather develop a guy like hopkins or patterson who were late 1st rd picks looking pretty good right now for a eigth of the price. What were the last two WR dolphins took in the 1st rd? Ginn jr. and Y. Green?

Our O-line is a mess, it needs a big overhaul in the offseason. Jake Long got old and hurt fast. I'm almost wondering if Garner deserves a shot over Clabo at this point.

Carroll looked like the old Carroll last night. Taylor I can't blame for getting beat by Graham. Only saw him get beat once or twice besides that.

Wallace must step up, but part of it is on Tannehill too. Tannehill makes his 40th combined start against Baltimore. He looked so good the first 3 games its still early in his second year, he will get it corrected.

That was our toughest game all year besides the 2 Pats game. This team can beat Baltimore and the Bills at home. They can head to Foxboro at 5-1 playing with house money once again.

We are not elite yet like Mando said. We still can be by the end of the year. Still sticking with my 10-6 prediction. This is not the same team as years past.

did anyone see Grimes jump over Grahams head after the touchdown. he looked like we was 10 feet in the air.
Posted by: wallyfin | October 01, 2013 at 12:47 PM
that was the highlight of the nite 4 the phinz.
lol

nemo,3-2.
lol

2 watt, thats fair I deserve that. Heres the good news if they go 4-1 into the bye we forget about yesterday.

Philbin on pass protection; "it's a big concern"

There is the answer to the question about paying Jake Long what he wanted......

Wallace had a bad game and you jealous SOB keep bringing up his salary. Who cares everyone in the NFL is overpaid its not coming out of your check. Tannehill threw bad passes yesterday Mike can't through the ball to himself and catch it. SMh

nemo, i posted earlier that next weeks game is the biggest 1 of the decade.

Jake Long was declining and had a lot of injuries

promichael, the bigger question is how ar ethe Rams going to replace Long too? He's already broken.

2 watt are you actually a Dolphins fan who just likes screwing with blog? You are right it looks like a big game.

nemo, we all can't be on the same page, that would be boring.
lol

did marshall want 2 b here?

Bright side other than no injuries? Miami wasn't pemalized in the ESPN Power Rankings ... still #7 .. now I'm thinking it's a little generous , haha

2 watt, he wanted to sign that contract ... that's for sure...

So we lost...


I agree...we weren't going to go undefeated...

embarrassing...yes...

Humiliating...NO!!!!

we moved the ball...kept them in bad 3rd down situations..."`AND WE LET THEM OFF THE HOOK!!!!!

We were haning with the Saints...I even got a positive text message from my brother after the loss...he was impressed with our young team...and he hasn't said anything remotely close to that in my entire life...

Our stock is STILL on the rise...we just have to bounce back..and don't let this snowball...4-1 (after next week) soinds good to me...

a few 3 more 3-1 quarters in the season...and we are a 12 win team....

GO FINS...

2watt is not a phin fan he is a patriot fan on a dolphins blog because he has nothing better to do than spread his pessimistic garbage. Get a life DBAG

mark it down, Kris is more optimistic after the loss than I am. I think we underperformed big time ...

"It's a play we practiced all week," Philbin said. "We told the players going into the game we like it. It was a variation off a similar play we'd had success with and we didn't execute it as well. But I knew we were going to call it. We practiced it. We were prepared. They made a better play."


I don't care how many times you run this play in practice and how successful it is. This is just not a play you run on 3RD AND INCHES.

With such a short distance for a 1ST DOWN, you don't want to run AWAY from the LINE OF SCRIMMAGE, You want to ATTACK the line of SCRIMMAGE.

JUST LIKE LASTNIGHT, it INVITES PENETRATION. A WELL SEASONED coordinator like MIKE SHERMAN should KNOW BETTER. NO EXCUSE!

2 watt, you have another member to your fan club ...

Sam I Am, a more cynical fan would say coaching decisions like that are evidence that sports are fixed to some extent. No sane person would've picked that play let alone a vet of the wars like Sherman.

What I Learned Last Night:

1. Tannehill is far from a finished product.

2. Neither offensive tackle looks like the future of our offense. Unless, Martin's moved back to RT, after finding his true replacement at LT.

3. Nolan Carroll is a 3rd-4th cb at best.

4. We have safety issues with both Jones and Clemons.

5. We have coordinator issues. OC Sherman is having onset dimensia. DC Coyle was GROSSLY outcoached or out strategized by Saints play calling and offensive staff.

We looked totally unprepared for Saints aerial attack. Not even close. Saints are good, but, we weren't good enough to tickle, let alone slow hem down.

Coyle shouldn't even have the balls to look himself in the mirror this morning.

LOOK OUT, the next 3 games the fins will lose if you are a dolphins fan for a long time you can feel it coming. I dont know why it happens it just does so look at 3-4. It won't change until jeff goes and since the renew of his contract it looks like 8-8 for years.

Phins look like an XFL team. Those uniforms are not pro quality. Neither is the team. Back to reality for delusional Phins fans. This team should really be 1-3...2-2 at best. Lmao where are all the 3-0 retards today ? I thought the Dolphins were supposed to have a dominating top five defense ? More like bottom five. Ireland's doing a great job...see I told you so lmao. Welcome back to planet Earth.

Helluva team.

I will say this. 3-1 is a lot better than I thought after 4 games. If they can win 6 or 7 in the first 10 games then I might be satisfied.

So 6-4 or 7-3 would be a good start headed into the back end of things. It only gets tougher for those last 6 games.

I think we can beat Baltimore. I don't see any nightmare matchups with them. I posted yesterday before the game game, other than Drew Brees, that SPROLES was a matchup I saw ZERO ANSWER too.

We beat Ravens because right now they are similar to Falcons and Colts. They don't have a qb or offense that makes you PAY DEARLY for every single mistake.

Ryan goes hot and cold. Luck isn't quite there yet, but close. Flacco doesn't have his most lethal weapon from last year, Anquan Boldin.

What our team has proven this year, keep the game close, they can beat anybody. Last night, Brees made us pay dearly for every single mistake, and therefore the game wasn't even close.

The Ravens will be a close game and I believe we have just enough offensive weapons to pull it out.

Once again, I expected this loss, what I didn't like was the ridiculous rout it became in the second half. We committed a lot of mistakes, but the naive turnovers given by our young franchise QB sunk morale to unreachable depths.

Most disappointing thing about last night, every turnover we were moving the ball very well. This game possibly has a very different outcome had we not had the those 3 TURNOVERS.

I know it ws 4 TURNOVERS, but, Saints used the final turnover to go into victory formation.

..The thing that stunk about that play(3rd and inches) and of course this is hindsight because we lost 2 yards. With the qb sneak the worst that would happen is that we get stuffed and IMO would have gone for it. The off tackle play invites so much opportunity for the defense to make a play behind the line of scrimmage(As seen)

We didn't need a TD there. Just an inch(which I thought the spot was poor, but we should be able to gain an inch, but if Philbin knew we would possibly try this play, you have to challenge the spot just because the risk) We can criticize all day. Ultimately that play didn't lose us the game

"It's a play we practiced all week," Philbin said. "We told the players going into the game we like it. It was a variation off a similar play we'd had success with and we didn't execute it as well. But I knew we were going to call it. We practiced it. We were prepared. They made a better play."
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Didn't execute it well? It's statements like this that scare me. Does Philbin really believe a play in practice against OUR defence in a friendly atmosphere simulates a play against a Superbowl quality team in a hostile setting? Remember when HCs had canned crowd noise piped in? Did they do that in practice? I don't know, just asking.
There's so many things wrong with that statement it's astounding. It's really scarey to think he actually belives it. Why is it always on the team, not coaching? I learned a long time ago, if you admit your mistake, you'll be respected for it.

Hydrashock, I went into this game EXPECTING VICTORY. All week I was saying DOLPHINS 38 SAINTS 17.

AT LEAST I HAD THE SCORE RIGHT.

I 100% BELIEVED we could WIN if we had a CLEAN GAME. Meaning ZERO turnovers. Brees is ELITE, he turns your turnovers into 7 POINTS.

Why does it surprise anyone that Wheeler is a liability ? Two teams gave up on him and the Raiders let him hit the free agent market twice...only signing him to a one year deal before letting him walk. Yet delusional Dolphins fans believe that every signed player is an upgrade. It's pathetic how easily people will believe in things they wan to believe in. There's a man in the sky who loves you...and he has a plan just for you.

Wheeler is a scrub, so are Ellerbe, Clabo and Wallace (who will be cut before he sees the end of his contract.)

It's Our Time

While I am certainly not trying to sugar-coat this loss, I believe the Fins were hanging tough with the Saints, and could have won the game, until T-Hill started the turn-over party.

Man I hate Monday night games. They come on too late and if we lose I go to bed mad and if we win, I am too amped up to sleep.

I am gonna stay positive on my team, no one thought we could win N O O N E. So how could we get mad at the inevitable?

DAWN / JEFFY POO / DAWN PLEASE READ WHAT THE F$%K I AM TYPING!!!!!!!!

SIGN SOLIAI OR I WILL COME TO YOUR HOUSES AND WATCH LOBSTERTUBE ON YOUR PERSONAL COMPUTERS OR TABLETS AND THEM IMMEDIATELY INFORM YOUR SPOUSES TO CHECK YOUR BROWSER HISTORY! DONT TRY ME, I'LL DO IT!

Is it possible that Wheeler is not that good? I like his energy, but ti seems like he doesnt know what he's doing and looks lost. I hope he comes around

I thought our O-line looked good, until we had to abandon the run, then it was back to crappy line play

I hate Tannehill had 3 ints, but at the end of the day 2 of them didnt matter!

Wallace how did you drop that beautiful long ball. Dang that was a good throw

Clay when did you decide to contribute and be consistent? Keep it up

Now we just need to slap the taste out of the Ravens moufs!!

look, toad needs his tampax shoved back into his vag.
lol
baby.

WALLACE KILLED AT LEAST 2 DRIVES WITH HIS DROPS

I also thought he should have had the one over the middle.
Perhaps it would not have changed the outcome had he held on to them, perhaps it would.
Mando held Henne responsible for BM's drops and he is holding Tanne responsible for Tanne's drops so I must concluded that he is consistent at least.

tough loss. most of us knew this one would be ugly though. need to comeback with a big win vs baltimore. still think this team can win 9 games. even playoffs next year

insurance policy****
this loss by no means should suggest the sky is falling...the giants are getting blown out in ugly losses, as are the steelers, and san fran, san fran is a perfect example of a good team playing bad, that being said, miami is still a very good team, philbin should be using mike wallace as the demoralizing big stick/big play that he is. to come from behind with the deep pass to wallace in one or two plays is what we paid for, not a lot of teams have a mike wallace. wallace is philbin's platinum insurance policy to insure that miami continues on it's road to elite status, he is there to insure come from behind victories from even larger deficits. couldn't somebody have called down from the booth during the saints game and tell wallace, "you want more targets, they're on the way, but this time USE YOUR HANDS". yes, this is what mando was blogging about during the preseason, and maybe, just maybe, it took this lopsided loss to stress the importance of getting the most from your biggest weopon. there should be a lot of time devoted to wallace this week in practice.

Mark in Toronto,

"A vet of the wars"

Looks like someone has been brainwashed by NFL propaganda films.

Insert timpani drums and crashing cymbals here along with the usual tough guy truck commercial narrators voice, "As the gladiators took the field in what would be an epic showdown."

"This battle would not be won in the air it would be won in the trenches on the line of scrimmage."

You must be a "true fan"

Save the word veteran for those who really deserve the title.

Brainwashed Idiot

Well, I think its safe to say WE STILL NEED A QB. Tannehill is way below average.

Wallace is an obvious cancer. 60 mill WASTED?

Ryan Tannehill = Mr Turnover

Home was right about Tannehill. He sux.

2watt you are a very sorry excuse for anything. I bet a million dollars you beat women don't you. Pathetic troll idiot

This team still has weaknesses. That's why against ELITE QB's we have to play a TURNOVER FREE CLEAN GAME.

On offense, pass protection is and will continue to be problematic all season long. Therefore, we can't afford to play from behind on 2 score or more deficits. The more we HAVE TO PASS, the more the pass protection issues get exposed.

On defense, I think Coyle's a little out of league game planning against offenses with nightmare matchup weapons. It was like he hadn't a clue coming in Darren Sproles was going to be a HUGE PROBLEM.

Seems he spent the entire week game planning taking Graham away, he game planned for nothing else. You don't game plan to stop Michael Jordan. You game plan to make sure the weapons around him don't beat you.

Nobody can stop Graham. So, you don't compound thing by letting the weapons around him run rampant too. Then you don't have a prayer of winning.

I would have only game planned to stop Graham in the red zone. Then game planned Sproles totally out of the offense.

no biggie still 3-1/ simply arent near as good as saints yet

Fire ross is an idiot troll as well. You also need to get a life you hating idiot Dbag. Go Away idiot go away

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