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Saints beat Dolphins (who are not elite)

NEW ORLEANS -- It's only one loss. No big deal. You didn't expect the Dolphins to go undefeated, did you?

Indeed, I believe the Dolphins are still a good team. But they are not elite for reasons I detail in my column in The Herald.

That doesn't make this 38-17 loss any less painful.

"We're not happy," said quarterback Ryan Tannehill, who is pictured getting sacked in the Joe Rimkus photo. "You don't want to perform like that in any situation. So we're not happy with ourselves. But there are things we can correct. and at the end of the day we have a big game coming up in six days. We have to learn from our mistakes in this game and look forward to next week and beat Baltimore."Tannehill sack

Learning from mistakes is important. Learning what your team does very well and doesn't do very well also is important.

New Orleans coach Sean Payton, for whatever reason, understood that Darren Sproles was a matchup nightmare for the Dolphins and no matter what Miami did Sproles made plays. He caught seven passes for 114 yards including a 48-yard catch on a double move that fooled safety Reshad Jones.

"We tried variety of different coverages," Philbin said. "We tried zone, we tried man. We tried pressures. Sproles is very good. We knew he was a good going into the game and we tried different combinations but he was very effective. No question."

The Dolphins, particularly on offense, are still trying to figure out their personnel. They tried Marcus Thigpen in the backfield throughout training camp and finally unveiled it Monday night. It worked as Thigpen caught a 50-yard pass out of the backfield.

But the Dolphins tried this only a couple of times. Not nearly enough to make a difference.

Meanwhile, the team apparently still is convinced Daniel Thomas is a good option in place of Lamar Miller. Think about it:

The Saints scored on their first series but the Dolphins seemed to respond immediately. Lamar Miller rushed five times for 33 yards and, mixed with a couple of Ryan Tannehill completions and a keeper on the read-option, Miami was at the New Orleans 9 yard line.

And then on third and an inch that is where the coaching staff decides it's a good time to bring in Daniel Thomas. And they think a wide pitch three yards deep is the play to run.

Yeah, the play lost two yards.

"It's a play we practiced all week," Philbin said. "We told the players going into the game we like it. It was a variation off a similar play we'd had success with and we didn't execute it as well. But I knew we were going to call it. We practiced it. We were prepared. They made a better play."

Quarterback sneak. Just sayin'.

Also, can I officially request the Dolphins use Lamar Miller on first and second down and Thigpen on third down? And leave Thomas and his 2.8 yards per carry this season on the bench? Please? Miller rushed 11 times for 62 yards, which is a 5.6 yards per carry average.

The Dolphins defense, by the way, is very good against the run. The return of Paul Soliai -- who told me he comes out of this game without re-injurying his knee -- was key and that's perhaps one reason the Saints averaged only 2.8 yards per carry on 244 attempts. They're like a team version of Daniel Thomas.

But Miami's pass defense was atrocious.

Drew Brees threw for 413 yards. He threw four TD passes. His passer rating was 144.5.

And after a week when the Dolphins focused on stopping Jimmy Graham and prepared to stop Jimmy Graham, there was Jimmy Graham dunking the football over the crossbar -- twice.

"We have to do better on defense," Philbin said. "We don't want Jimmy Graham running down the middle of the field wide open."

Yeah, he did that on a 43-yard TD. The Saints ran a sluggo-seam to get Graham open. New Orleans had a receiver on the other side of the formation run a slant and go which drew the safety in that direction. And then Graham just ran past Chris Clemons down the seam. Easy.

(Graham caught the other TD surrounded by three, count 'em, three defenders. Kid's amazing.) 

Miami's deep threat, meanwhile, didn't show much in his hometown. He caught three passes for 24 yards. That's an 8-yard average. He dropped two passes, including a deep shot that might have been a TD.

We were executing our offense but you have to hold on to the ball.

"He made a good play on the ball," Wallace said of the DB on the play. "I don't think he tipped it. I feel like I should have made a play on the ball."

Everyone agreed on this: The Dolphins cannot win a game in which Tannehill throws three interceptions and fumbles the ball away once.

"I feel like we made plays but at the same time we killed ourselves at times," Wallace said. "We have to finish drives and not give up turnovers. We have to make the plays when they count. We can't turn the ball over in scoring territory, especially against a good football team like this, because they're going to capitalize when we make mistakes like that."

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Ireland should be fired just for using 3 picks on D Thomas!!!!!!! What a disaster.

YG @ 2:50. Sherman was the OC of the Super Bowl Champion GB packers and coached many years in top leagues as both HC and OC. That is an accomplishment and shows that he should know what play to dial up at what time. That makes him a vet, an accomplished one at that.

Then again, everyone pales in comparison to your career accomplishments which include spending 8,246 consecutive hours on this blog.

Go fukk a sheep, you one legged, pox ridden, cess pool of a human being!

It is hilarious, we lose one game to a very good team at home and all trolls jump on that band wagon. Get a life get a life get a life. We will see you next week when we beat the Ravans

Also concerns me Philbin publically cosigns Sherman's BONEHEADED 3rd and inches call. Even "Pop Warner" league offensive coaches know you don't run away from the line of scrimmage on 3RD AND 2 INCHES.

Because Philbin and Sherman are also pretty much "best friends". This could become an egregious problem moving forward.


5. We have coordinator issues. OC Sherman is having onset dimensia. DC Coyle was GROSSLY outcoached or out strategized by Saints play calling and offensive staff.

We looked totally unprepared for Saints aerial attack. Not even close. Saints are good, but, we weren't good enough to tickle, let alone slow hem down.

Coyle shouldn't even have the balls to look himself in the mirror this morning.

Posted by: Sam I Am | October 01, 2013 at 02:05 PM

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You sir, are correct. The truly amazing part (offense) is we do NOT have the right personnel to run a zone blocking scheme. The main requirement is to have MOBILE, AGILE linemen. The only one who qualifies is Pouncey. Square peg in round hole reminds me of (cough) Sparano. Game plan? Did they look at N.O. film? Play calls? Sherman seems to go off of a script instead of 'realtime'. Hate to say it but reminds me of Henning sometimes.
And defence? Why is this years D worse exponentially? Waaay too cute with stunts and multiple sets. Go back to basics. Straight 4-3 or 3-4. D-line get your hands up....how many times do you see them NOT doing it. LBs & secondary, lay the wood on receivers going into pattern, it's worked for years. Anyone caught arm tackling, gets benched. Secondary taking the right angles is asking too much I guess. But all of this is basic, fundamental football.
If all of what I have said offends anyone, I'm sorry but I'm a Miami Dolphins fan. Not an Ireland, Philbin, Coyle or Sherman fan.

Again, as good a loss as they come...NFC and does not hurt in the playoff picture.

...and, Tannehill got schooled by a HOF QB.

Being humbled is part of life...it can motivate you to achieve the next level of your personal development.

T-Hill was a little cocky coming into the game and now there's no debating where he stands....Below elite.

Tannehill showed me he has no pocket presence and thats something that cant be taught.

Mark, hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahhaha. good one dude

I don't have the hatred for diva WRs that Mark has, but if I have to hear one more time about the beautiful friendship between Wallace and his butt buddy on the Saints I think I'm going to throw up. They traded jerseys after the game? Are you kidding me? What's this, World Cup soccer? Why wasn't Wallace so furious at his play that he left the field without talking to anyone? In front of his people, to play like that. Like a Div 3 backup WR redshirt freshman. Makes me think he was thinking too much about his butt buddy and not enough about his JOB! DO YOUR JOB MIKE! Catch the ball (no one's asking you to devise a new rocket propulsion method).

Hey tony, kind of agree but kinda disagree as well. Tannehill just had no time to do anything except run for his life. We all agree they did not play very well. Mark it and move on and play harder this week. 4-1 into the bye is very very respectable.

thill def not elite yet, your right. its the 4th game of his second season. not many are elite then outside marino

They should have dialed up the bubble screen to Wallace like they did against Indy...worked like a charm.


no biggie still 3-1/ simply arent near as good as saints yet

Posted by: dusty bottoms | October 01, 2013 at 03:05 PM

Dusty, Bellichik seems to make up for deficiencies of his team with preparation. Look at his red zone defensive strategy against Tony Gonzalez in the crucial moments of that game.

He double jammed Gonzalez at the line of scrimmage, not allowing him off the line to become a part of the pass play. One of Grahams 2 tds was in the red zone against against Jamar Taylor. Coyle's answer was to have a much smaller rookie cb to cover Graham in the red zone?

Albeit, the coverage was good, but still couldn't overcome the physical mismatch. Wouldn't a better strategy would be one that doesn't allow Graham off the line to participate in the pass play period? Like Belichik did.

So my problem is, besides Tannehill's turnovers, we were "OUT-STRATEGIZED" on both sides of the ball. This is more of a "coaching issue" than "not quite good enough" issue. Saints "coaching staff" totally embarrassed "our coaching staff".

The score wasn't even close here too.

Pouncey is the only good player on the entire offense. Wallace looks like a mediocre spoiled brat.

Newsflash...we play the Bengals and San Diego who aren't exactly bad passing teams. Fortunately those games are at home, but I doubt it makes much difference with a secondary this poor. This is exactly like the Olivadotti Dolphins.

Told everyone this is a tough game, sandwiched in between two tough home games. You know what, so what. A bunch of you were saying 0-5, 1-4 coming off the first 5. Guess what?? We are 3-1. We are in great shape going into the bye and I believe we win Sunday. 4-1 or 3-2 is great after the 1st five. Very satisfied right now!!

They should have done a lot of things. Top to bottom this was ugly and a very good lesson on come back down to earth. The third and inches is a perfect point, pick up the 2 inches you need instead of trying to be cute on a long drawn out play. Just lower your head and go.

sam i agree, but most teams would take payton over there head coach also. bet the saints beat the pats also in couple weeks

Dion Jordan 1 tackle

D Thomas 6 yds of offense

Ireland used 5 picks for that production? Are u f'n kidding me?

Tom Hartman, is that you 2watt? Sure sounds like a Dbag to me. Take a happy pill Tom, this was not a pretty game.

Your ripping Dion Jordan, already? Cmon Tony, lighten up francis. Agree with you on Thomas, way way way to early on jordan

i am starting to question the offensive scheme... AkA.. the offensive coordinator.... allot of poor play calling... with the weapons this team has, or more like the type of weapons, i wonder if this is the right type of offense for them... just wondering...

Coyle got out coached big time in this game. Three times in a row we had Brees at 3 and very long and we rush 3 and get burned. 4 linemen, 4 corners and 3 safeties sitting 2 yards in from the first down marker that might have worked.

Brees exposed mis-matches all night.

course u should be bobby at 3-1. its not the loss but how we lost. we got destroyed. 2014 is the target year to really become legit

red,


No OC can make chicken salad out of chicken chit.

agree on jordan, that draft deal was awful

There was no scheme last night, they got handled period on both sides of the ball. This game statistically speaking is a throw out. Least I can admit it and still stay positive about it you F'N toads, man up you troll haters, ravens right around the corner. Phins Always Up.

Dusty, how on earth was that a bad draft.

To the Miami Fans who understand that if Miami was going to drop any game, this was the one to drop. An inconsequential NFC opponent playing inside a barn. Beating NO at home was an uphill climb, particularly after 3 tough games including two on the road. Don't be swayed... don't allow the "I told you so" Idiots to upset you... No need. Remember during preseason? Rea member these posts ..

** Miami will be 0-5 at the "By week"...
** Miami won't win a game in September...
** This team will be lucky to win 3 games this season....

Those posts were cut when written and now I paste them here to remind you that most of these people who call themselves "Fans" are just malcontent, video game addicted, basement boys waiting on Mommy to call down to "Come up for dinner".... Then there is the contingent who spend they're days are rummaging through they're sisters underwear drawer... But those guys (Home) are a different story...

Ryan Tannehill is going to have bad games. ALL YOUNG QB's HAVE BAD GAMES.... The team didn't respond to the mistakes well. There was a questionable offensive game plan, although the read option was a nice wrinkle. The secondary made HUGE errors. I don't know what Miami plans to do about wheelers ability to cover, but it IS a liability. They need an answer to that question.

Keep your heads up guys... Those who think beating NO was going to gain Miami respect or recognition, Yeah, it may have for about 4 days.. Then you would hear "Miami is playing good, but we'll REALLY know what they are about after playing a quality AFC team the have not beaten in years at home".... It would and never will end... There will ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS be haters, doubters and malcontents.... Winning or losing one game is NEVER enough to silence them all... They just push it forward till next "Big Game"... Miami is a "Good" team.... Working on becoming a "Great" Team... That may take all year and even a few games next year... But you watch and see this team doesn't "Get there"... Too much in they're favor, too many smart NFL guys working on it, Now Miami will be a place players want to come play... Just have to pay they're dues like all the other "Great Teams".....


I don't have the hatred for diva WRs that Mark has, but if I have to hear one more time about the beautiful friendship between Wallace and his butt buddy on the Saints I think I'm going to throw up. They traded jerseys after the game? Are you kidding me? What's this, World Cup soccer? Why wasn't Wallace so furious at his play that he left the field without talking to anyone? In front of his people, to play like that. Like a Div 3 backup WR redshirt freshman. Makes me think he was thinking too much about his butt buddy and not enough about his JOB! DO YOUR JOB MIKE! Catch the ball (no one's asking you to devise a new rocket propulsion method).

Posted by: DC Dolfan | October 01, 2013 at 03:19 PM
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Hadn't heard that. And it seems like you're correct: Maybe Wallace should have rented a motel room with his buddy.
But I'm old school...hate todays games when opposing teams hug each other at the end of the game. Back in the day, you hated to lose a game and you didn't like the team who just beat you

off pure stats we are 0-4. been outgained in every game.

Its in the breeze: Love you man (tears)

Wallace suckered Ireland for 60 mill! LOL

Just Saying,

this isnt a horrible team... i think Tanny is still a year away... but there trying to use wallace in roles he is not equiped for... the same for hartline at times.. they need to throw deep more... if it gets intercepted, so be it... a long punt... this constant 10 yard, 15 yard routes, and hope they break one... we dont have jerry rice here.... i just think we need to open up down feild more than 1 to 2 times a game....

Hey dusty, good thing W and L aren't off of stats. Idiot

I was just hopping for a good game. Sadly, I was very disappointed! Another embarrasment for monday night football!

lol thanks for getting personal and calling me an idiot. u missed the point, never once said stats mattered one bit

MIKE WALLACE CAREER STATS VS BAL 8 GAMES 31 REC 426 YDS 1TD = AVG OF 4 REC/53YDS/0TDS PER GAME

Bal will cover Hartline/Wallace/Gibson/Clay 1 on 1 and will blitz every pass play.

Yeah Dusty, but were not 0-4, were 3-1, Stats don't always tell the whole story

Stats certainly don't take in to consideration that Wallace dropped a sure TD pass, or that Thigpen made a great run, but then cut right inside where the DB was instead of angling outside for a sure TD...

Play of the game was the INT right before halftime, we were moving the ball on the ground, should have stayed on the ground and at worse punted. I was afraid of exactly what happened, INT, TD, game over after that, especially after a terrible 1st drive

Then we completely abandon the run and everyone knew THILL was going to throw so they rushed him and he got hammered the rest of the game

Bad Coaching last night

Forget trading Wallace, maybe should have thrown another deep ball since he was getting open, yeah he dropped it, he was hyped up for the game, they should have done a few screen passes to him to calm him down..we need his speed incorporated in the game plan more then it is, it's that simple. Early and often, will open up running game, and then the deep ball will be there

fraud baltimore,lol hilarious balt d is horrible

That was an idiot post. I call it as I see it. (pure stats we are 0-4). From that phrase What point was I missing Einstein. Oh, I forgot, you have nothing positive to say. My bad.

agree craig and sad part is the running game was going well

THE GAMEPLAN WORKS WHEN WE ARE AHEAD OR CLOSE BEHIND

When we fall behind by 10 or more than we have to pass our way back and that is when it all falls apart especially if Wallace really sucks.

ANYONE ELSE NOTICE THAT IT WAS ALWAYS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION THAT:

- Kolb belonged in Az
- Cassell blonged in KC
- Flynn belonged in Seattle
- Wallace belonged in Miami


off pure stats we are 0-4. been outgained in every game.

Posted by: dusty bottoms | October 01, 2013 at 03:41 PM
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Think I know what you mean. If you go back and look at the 3 previous games, you'll see that we won NOT by a dominating offense or suffocating defence but by capitalizing on breaks. The problem is, you can't depend on ball going your way all the time. To win consistantly, you have to play good solid football. And that just ain't been the case.

Hey Exposing, Did Wallace pis in your cereal or something? What gives? Why the hate? It will take a little time for all of these new faces to gel.

true cocoa lets get these next 2 and take a 5-1 record into new england

Hey cocoajoe, NEWS FLASH 3-1

Also cocoa, apparently the oline had the nerve to talk trash to the Saints DL throughout the game (even when they were getting the snot kicked out of them). And that further enraged the Saints. They said they wanted to inflict even more pain (with sacks, etc). Plain stupid. Rule 1 in sport, when you're losing badly, STOP TALKING!

WOW DUSTY, first time of optimism. WOW. doesn't it feel good?

true dc our lbs and oline suck. thats what we need to fix before 2014

The following are garbage:

Sherman
Wallace
Ireland
Ronnie Brown
Daniel Thomas
Lamar Miller


The following are garbage:

Sherman
Wallace
Ireland
Ronnie Brown
Daniel Thomas
Lamar Miller

Posted by: Bo | October 01, 2013 at 04:05 PM

Um you forgot to add Bo

Here are the team's only good players:

Pouncey
Hartline
Soliea
Grimes

red @ 3:44.. throw deep more? For what? So it can hit the WR in the hands, fall to the turf, he can get up and hug his opponent and change shirts with him? Wallace has a lot of negative goodwill to make up for in my book.

dusty, I'd like that. If we can just get by Baltimore....I'm hoping Philbin takes a HONEST look at things and makes corrections for the rest of the season.

To the idiots here: anyone defending Wallace is an idiot. No, it does not take any time at all to "gel" or "get chemistry." True #1 WRs like Marshall come in and get 10 catches for 115 yards every single game starting with game 1. Marshall did that even on our horrible teams and he did it with the Bears.

Itty Bitty Wallace is not a #1 WR.

Marshall is 6'3" 225 beast. All #1 WRs today have to be big.

Remember the days when Marshall and R. Bush were our only studs who were *fighting* to win, with no help? now all we have are Tanne and Hartline--they are the only ones who fight like that.

Wallace, Thomas, AND Miller are *weak* and pathetic replacements for Bush and Marshall.

To the idiots here: anyone defending Wallace is an idiot. No, it does not take any time at all to "gel" or "get chemistry." True #1 WRs like Marshall

Wow, This has to be the most dumbest thing I have ever read on this post. Congrats BO. you win.

Bo, why pushing Miller in that pile? He'a averaging over 5 yards a caryy. if anything, I find the opportunity to use him more...

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