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Dolphins coordinators offer insight

The Dolphins offensive and defensive coordinators spoke with the media this afternoon and here's what they offered:

Offensive coordinator Miker Sherman said running back Daniel Thomas, who left the locker room in a walking boot and on crutches Sunday evening, is obviously not playing anytime soon.

"With Daniel Thomas out of the picture certainly [Mike] Gillislee has to step up, [Marcus] Thigpen has to step up. [Lamar] Miller as well," Sherman said.

Sherman did not go so far as to say Thomas is done for the year, as some are reporting. Thomas is out indefinitely. But it is obvious that with only five games remaining, Thomas's status for the remainder of the year is in serious doubt.

The Dolphins are the only NFL team that has failed to score more than 27 points in a game this season. That is obviously terrible news in a league that basically mandates big offensive output.

"Yeah, it''s frustrating for me and it's frustrating for our players as well, I'm sure, that we're not more successful than we can be," Sherman said. "Every week you go back to work and roll up your sleeves and try to do it better. Carolina came in here as one of the hottest teams in the National Football League. I have a lot of respect for their defense, obviously their offense as well. I knew it was going to be a challenge but we still felt very good about going into this ballgame and playing at home and what we possibly could do. We had moments in the ballgame, not enough of them, but we did have moments in the ballgame and did some really good things. And at times we didn't. But it's going tough, we threw the ball for over 300, but you have to be able to run the football. The 300 passing, I'd give that away any day to get 150 rushing. You have to be able to run the ball to be effective and we have to find a way to get the balance we so desperately need. We don't have that balance right now." Overthrown

I said yesterday on twitter that I was almost relieved to see Ryan Tannehill overthrow Mike Wallace on one of his passes because i was starting to wonder if Tannehill could get over that mental hump. (You see the overthrow in the photo courtesy The Herald's Joe Rimkus).

Sherman agreed for reasons that probably have to do with avoiding interceptions.

"I'd rather have him overthrow than underthrow," Sherman said.

The Dolphins haven't scored a fourth quarter touchdown in seven games -- dating back to December. What's Sherman's diagnosis?

"My diagnosis is we better get that fixed because we have to some touchdowns in the fourth quarter if we expect to win," Sherman said, adding there is no common denominator to the problem.

"There's nothing common about it. We have not been very efficient in my mind overall, not just in the fourth quarter. We have to be more consistent as an offense overall. We can put together a great highlight tape but also we can put together a not-so-great. And we have eliminate the not-so-great and get more great. And that's what our focus is on and that includes the fourth quarter." 

Sherman said the last pass of the ballgame that might have changed the outcome of the game had Mike Wallace caught a Ryan Tannehill pass at the 1 yard line "was a great pass" by Tannehill.

But he didn't blame Wallace for not catching it.

"It would have been a great catch if he had made that catch," Sherman said. "I wasn't an easy catch."

Defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle, meanwhile, did something that we so very rarely see out of head coach Joe Philbin. In honest and straightforward fashion, Coyle addressed a coaching mistake.

He did so in discussing the defense Miami played on the next to last play of the half when the Dolphins played their secondary deep -- with defenders lined up at the goal line -- but leaving a wide gap between those defenders and the line of scrimmage.

The Panthers completed a short pass and gained 28 yards in seven seconds to set themselves up for a field goal. What should have been a 16-3 halftime lead turned into a much more tenuous 16-6 lead.

Coyle said that with a QB such as Cam Newton, capable of throwing a 60-yard pass with ease, he thought the Panthers might take a shot at the end zone.

"And with that mindset, I made a call that in retrospect I wish I could get back," Coyle said. "There was a penalty and I should have changed the call in my opinion after the penalty and he was back a little further. Not that he couldn't have thrown the ball to the end zone, which he could have.

"We were playing for him to throw the ball deep and it was my mistake. It wasn't the players in any way, shape, or form."

Compare that honesty to the answer Philbin gave about the same play and situation after the game:

"Actually, we brought some pressure, to be quite frank with you," Philbin said. "They made a good play, credit them. The ball was on the ground a little bit, they picked it up and made a nice play. The receiver did a smart thing and got out of bounds. It was a good play by them. Absolutely a good play."

By the way, given another chance today, Philbin again stressed what a good play it was by Carolina and defended the Dolphins approach -- thus defending an error.

Coyle, by the way, praised the work done by Nolan Carroll and Phillip Wheeler in Sunday's game.

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cocoa we were talking about that in the last post. They need an experienced qbs coach. Either in a head coach or an assistant. Someone known for working with qbs and getting the most out of them despite any limitations they may have.

That's a point some miss especially Omar Kelly. You don't need a hall of fame qb to win. HELL YES IT WOULD BE GREAT! But they don't grow on trees so the best thing you can have is a coach who can coach his team up and can also out coach his peers. Hide the team weaknesses through proper game planning. Do not try to force square pegs into round holes.

Trade TannePuke for a snowflake paper weight.

Phin 78,

Give me a darn second to respond before you go ape please my friend.

I asked you a simple question and you said you were never a Henne fan, its ok, relax please !!!

I would like to know then 78, under what circumstances would you agree that Thill is done as our QB my friend ?

Marco,

Phins 78 is an idiot.

Posted by: Franchise Of The Fallen | November 25, 2013 at 02:34 PM


Exactly why Ireland must go. Had Ireland placed together an OLINE of LESS MAYBES, we could make a BETTER fact-filled evaluation of both OC and QB positions.

Marco I already said you draft a qb to compete, you read it.

Therefore he is done when someone takes the job from him. If he sucks as bad as some think and will never get better than surely a new qb can beat him in a fair competition?

Are you saying you just want to bench him and hand the job to an unproven rookie?

And no one went ape. I calmly stated my opinion on which way this conversation was going. I don't care enough about this blog to let it upset me. If someone is intent on toying with me I just move on. I've been in here long enough to know exactly what is going on and I have my own rules on how I deal with it. I will never again I get mad at a stranger in a blog as it is a waste of time and energy.

Well, since the Dolphins lose every year the trolls are proven correct. You have been proven wrong.
Posted by: JJ | November 25, 2013 at 02:26 PM
lolololol

Deep throws require any QB step in to his throw. Tannehill cannot be fairly evaluated with this O-line. Ireland should be fired, build an o-line worth a spit, then Tannehill can fail or not with a running game and time to throw.

No RT is not the answer but it will take this dumb franchise two more years to figure that out
Posted by: Franchise Of The Fallen | November 25, 2013 at 02:34 PM

EXACTLY LOL

All of the "Relax!" and "don't go ape!" stuff is completely unnecessary. I couldn't be more relaxed, I'm in a f$#@ing robe recoveriing from bronchitis. lol

Posted by: Sam I Am | November 25, 2013 at 02:34 PM

You are not seriously comparing Luck against Thill are you ? MIT does this all the time with Manning, Brady, Marino and Luck or anyone who isn't his boy Thill.

Well Sam at some stage we will have to draft another QB won't we so Luck has nothing to do with that.

Luck's stats by the way and overall game far outway Thills. You wouldn't find a GM in the game that would pass Luck for Thill.

If you disagree thats fine I get it now from you Sam.

Marco,

The guy can not throw an accurate ball more than 20 yards. He's done, the management just does not want to accept a mistake as it would be a reflection on themselves. New management will go in a different direction. Tannehill will end up just like Henne. On a bad team trying to be the starter when a backup role is the best the talent can bring.

Henne's career completion percentage is 60%.

This year he is at 62% playing behind an OL that literally contains players signed off the street and throwing to WRs that were literally signed off of the street.

Don't believe me? One of yesterday's starting WRs is a guy named Kerry Taylor (signed off street). He is replacing Stephen Burton (signed off street a month ago out with concussion). Last week Henne threw a TD to Danny Noble it was his first career catch a day after he was signed off the street.

I know that I am Henne's only fan but seriously he has skill position players in the lineup that don't know the plays.

Through 11 games MJD has 539 yds rushing. Last year MJD led the team in rushing with 450yds for the season.

I believed had Ireland even brought in BRANDEN ALBERT, there's a GREAT CHANCE his team could be no less than 7-4 right now.

Then, the Tannehill/Sherman criticism would be greatly lessened because the team would have a WINNING record.

This is what I'd like to see: Ross fires Ireland today. Slow season for GMs anyway. Bring in a new GM, let him spend these last few games evaluating players, offensive and defensive schemes. But most of all, the HC on down. That way, Ross has a out cutting ties with Philbin. Call it a dream.

Phins78 don't waste your time on Marco...MIT did the other day before finally realizing that he is a troll...he post EH at the end of a sentence sometimes like Ape Tamer... Im sure he is Daytona. Whether he is or not he is a troll that's why he continually post the same thing day in and day out.

Caddy,How's Henne doing in Jacksonville?

Posted by: 2 watt | November 25, 2013 at 02:41 PM

Naahhhh, it's the troll who is wrong.

At least when it comes to me because I predicted 9-7 if no major injuries.

I said 8-8 or 7-9 with injuries and that wasn't even taking into account the fact we lost 3 oline starters due to some bs bully crap and an illness.

It's all in writing and if I cared to prove it I would go back and repost my prediction.

Now Daytona will post under a different name and scream, "you said 12-4!" It's ridiculously pointless.

The lack of any sign of coaching corrections at halftime is one of the really damning things about this coaching staff. In my uninformed & amateurish opinion.

Want to know why we have one of the worst offense in the league heres the hint

Reaaaady!!

Go! Pass

Reaaaaadyyy

Go! Go!

Run

Its the truth


Posted by: Phins78 | November 25, 2013 at 02:34 PM
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Agree Phin. Remember when it came out Marino offered to help Tannehill? Tannehill declined. Bad mistake

Its pretty simple. The homers have been wrong for 6 straight years and are overdosed on eating crow.

Posted by: promichael | November 25, 2013 at 02:43 PM

I completely agree with you my friend. The FO has gone in all the way with the Texas A&M regime.

The results so far have been as bad as it gets. Philbin is a poor coach, who struggles both on and off the field.

Sherman and his team have the offense regressing fast and unable game after game to adjust at halftime.

31st in the NFL on O with this Offensive Regime is truly awful and the fans deserve better.

The Texas A&M Regime comes a complete set Thill apologists. When Sherman goes the house of cards will topple and Thill has to learn a new system as many QB's in the NFL have to do over their careers.

ETF, 60% over a career is still substandard. And his accuracy in Miami was a little better than I gave him credit for but the biggest problem with Henne was he just didn't get enough Tds. he was ok between the 20s but simply died in the red zone and always ended up with more Tds than INTs. HIs yardage per game was also substandard.

Posted by: Phins78 | November 25, 2013 at 02:40 PM


Matt Moore has 1 more year left on 2yr $8 million contract. Devlin's will be a RESTRICTED FA, so a decision has to be made there.

No way we draft a qb 1st 2 rounds. With Matt Moore under contract it's highly doubtful we draft a qb 1st 3rds. So now we're talking no earlier than 4TH RD.

So, now if we're talking a drafting a qb to COMPETE with T'hill, we're talking 4TH RD or LOWER.

DRAFTING a QB in this RANGE, we're LUCKY if HE COMPETES with PAT DEVLIN.

Phins 78,

Next off season Thill gets to compete for the starters job, with the high draft pick and the best FA QB we can land here.

If Thill wins the job then he would have deserved it. If he is on the bench then thats the nature of the NFL.

Thanks Bill. He hasn't attacked me so I'm not going to ignore him. If he keeps it respectful I have no problem talking to him, whomever he mighyt be.

And I haven't been around much the past few weeks so I haven't seen some of the other posts you may be speaking of. I'll keep an eye on it.

cocoa, did Tannehill decline on his own accord or was Lauren afraid of Ryan spending time with Marino and his huers of Babylon???

I personally feel Tanny's overall command, knowledge of the offense & short to medium range game ability is above average. He knows where to go with the football a majority of the time. He picks out the matchup that's favorable.

Does he have 1 or 2 balls a game that could be picked off? Sure. But, so does every QB.

His issues are the long ball & occasional brain fart in pocket presence. Everyone is screaming over missing deep balls. You know, deep shots that only happen a few times a game. Nobody hits a large majority of them. And if they do, they probably have a LEGT #1 big bodied WR to go up & fight for it. Like a Calvin or A. Johnson, Marshall, D. Thomas, J. Nelson. If you hit 1 or 2 a week that's a lot.

Most QB's prefer the back shoulder throw now. I would personally rather see Tanny continue to slightly underthrow. At least that gives a WR a chance to still make a play on the ball. Worked out well yesterday 2 times.

Overthrowing a guy is just a wasted down. At least allowing the WR a chance to make a play on the ball, like a back shoulder, is a higher percentage play.

You'd like him to hit the guy in stride but, to me, Tanny's positives outweigh his negative. He's tough. He's young. He's here at least 2 more years, make the best of what you got. He just might improve. I don't give 2 sh&ts what ESPN made up QBR rating is.

People are making the long ball, a VERY small part of the game, into the biggest deal. Think of it this way...there are about 3-4 times as many punts in a game than there are deep throws. Keep it in perspective.

Marco, Kris and all the other Tannehill haters....you all seem to be QB guru's. Im sure you have coached and or played the position on the professional level...you know like Marino, Gruden, Mariucci...etc. These are the EXPERTS who have stated that Tannehill is a future franchise type QB.
My question to you, in all your valued opinion, what does Tannehill need to improve to go to the next level? Does he need and OL to protect him? Does he need a run game to take pressure off the pass game? Does he need a TE as an outlet receiver or help pass protect? Tell us all please because guaranteed Tannehill will be the QB in 2014 and if youre REALLY Dolphin fans then what do we need to do to get better?
(if you cannot honestly answer this post then please go away because you will have been exposed as a TROLL)

Posted by: Truth | November 25, 2013 at 02:48 PM

Actually truth not only have our defenders stated it has no bearing on the game or practices but coaches and players around the league who we don't even play have chimed in and said it doesn't matter.

I could explain it in detail if you actually care.

I'd rather be talking about the players on this O that will be here next year like....

Clay, Wallace, Gibson, Hartline, Matthews maybe Pouncey.

I expect a pair of tackles, QB and RB. Well how could it be worse than this ?

Looking forward to see if Gillislee can make a difference too ?

Tannehill reminds me of John Beck. Just totally incompetent.

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | November 25, 2013 at 02:54 PM

What we need to get better is a franchise QB.

Perfectly acceptable to me Marco, it's the only way the cream is going to rise to the top. We can't keep investing and waiting for 4 years with no backup plan. There has to be a better plan.

That being said, I'm done talking about the QB. It gets ridiculous that we spend pages and pages of qb talk when we all know what needs to happen there.

I'm not so sure why every other part of the team that needs improvement gets overlooked. I'm done talking about Tannehill today because I've clearly stated my opinion multiple times. I'm moving on now people! ;)


cocoa, did Tannehill decline on his own accord or was Lauren afraid of Ryan spending time with Marino and his huers of Babylon???

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | November 25, 2013 at 02:53 PM
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Ha Mark, you might have somethingthere. But seriously, there weren't a lot of details that I remember

Phins78 please explain to me how the offense isnt tipping the play. Really

Tannehill is a future franchise type ?
at burger king
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lol

NFL Network, Sapp announced that Miami Dolphins second-year pro Ryan Tannehill will go toe-to-toe with Hall of Fame quarterback Dan Marino. In 1984, his second season with the Dolphins, Marino threw for 5,084 yards, an NFL mark that stood until Drew Brees shattered it in 2011.

Hmmm who should we trust 2watt, Marco, Kris who NEVER even played the game or A HOF'er that STUDIED QB's for ohhh like 25-30 yrs!! I have more trollies....cmon out and playyyyyyyy

Bill A,

What does it matter what critics say, its what happens on the field my friend.

After the Panthers game you still hold the faith, thats fine, I really don't know why ?

I think we agree that Sherman should go yes ?

2twatt is the prototype to building the perfect idiot.

The ENTIRE front office and coaching staff should go. Draft a QB in 2 or 3rd rd in 2014 and if Tannehill doesn't totally get it in year 3.....tooo the bench!

The defense has really struggled against the run (and even the pass) this year. With the DL being the so-called strongest and deepest area of the team, it's a big disappointment.

While I'm basically finished as a Dolphin fan until the GM is changed (and hopefully the coach and center as well), it's sad to see the Dolphins struggle so much after over twenty years of high level play.

Well, the easiest way to get better is to get a franchise QB like a Big Ben, Brady either Mannings,Brees, Rodgers, Ryan, Flacco, Luck, Kaepernick, Wilson. They are out there. Surrounding Tannehill with more talent is much harder and wont help nearly as much.

Sam,

On way we stay will the QB's we have at the moment either. If you don't want a early draft pick and wait till 3rd of 4th you risk the chance to land a quality guy.

With our history at drafting in the third round the chances don't look too good.

A FA QB that is quality will be the best bet, there will be a few around. I'd rather be on the hook for some Moore money than just sit on what we have at QB currently.

If Thill does fail, you need a better back-up plan than Moore. The Texas Regime won't get rid of Thill easily, they come as a package, which is clear to see.

Philbin may have to go anyway if he can win 7 games this year.

Bill A,

I can find you glowing testimonials for Beck, Henne and Brady Quinn if you like.

Its what really happens on the field that counts my friend.

Don't about me attacking you, I'll leave that sort of thing to sexual reference boy Mark in Toronta.

We got a young QB with a terrible run game, no protection, and a depleted receiving corp. Against a top 3 defense. Our problems is the red zone, we should have scored TD's not kicked field goals.

The #1 job for any NFL GM is to obtain a franchise QB.

Sooo D Thomas is most likely out for the season does anyone give a crap???

Truth,

When the offense comes to the line the defense has already called their play.

The time line is a split second, meaning when Ryan yells go the ball is snapped. The defense does not have time to change their call.

Defenders have assignments in each play they call in the huddle. The defensive tackles assignment for example is the a gap, defensive end could be running a stunt. Every player on that defense has an assignment that is designed to maximize the defensive play that is called.

11 guys can not all change their assignments based on a split second call, it would never work and is impossible. And, the team mixes up the call on play action passes. Sometimes they yell go and sometimes they yell go go. If a cornerback decides, "hey I heard go go that means they are running so im going to let my guy go and attack the line of scrimmage". he could be guessing wrong and leave his man wide open.

They have to stick with the play that is called. Don't take my word for it, the defenders on our own team have said it'sd a non issue. The coaches and players on offense say it's a non issue. and people in the know have all agreed it doesn't matter.

Think of it this way, Tannehill threw for over 300 yards yesterday. Why so many yards if the defense knew we were passing every time they called a certain cadence? Is the Panthers defense stupid? NO

Lamar Miller had a great game a couple of weeks ago, why couldn't they stop him if they knew every time we were going to run?

This is a non issue that fans want to make an issue out of because they are at a loss and looking for an answer. But it's such a simple concept that even a first year coach could figure it out.

And Sherman has coached for years and years including time with Favre. It's funny to me that some fans act like they can see this as a problem and assume an experienced head coach is clueless about it. I don't like Sherman or Philbin much but sheesh, they're not that stupid.

Phins 78,

Agreed. I stated earlier Im looking forward to observe how young Gillislee plays against the Jets. He can't be any worse than Thomas can he ?

That Oline is bad, but the play calling and effort from our backs doesn't help.

Strange that a win here keeps us high up in the playoff picture.

We have a chance to rebound here for sure. Wake and that D line played great until the last two minutes of each half. Im sure we can do it in NY.

Good post LOL, you bring up some valid points.

Phins 78 in my 30 years of watching football ive never seen a team tip wherher or not they will run or pass until Philbin and Sheeman brought in this inept offense.

This is statically one of the worst offense in fhe league snd that has something to do with it. On too of Millee and Thomas being horrible so is the OL and QB just one big cluster fock

Thanks for your explanattion tho

Marco and everyone else talking about Thomas. Did you see the run play wehre he bounced inside and gained two yards when there was a massive opening created by Clabo on the right?

Completely missed the play and it would have went for a HUGE gain. Thomas doesn't have IT. He has no vision.

Sooo D Thomas is most likely out for the season does anyone give a crap???
Posted by: Truth | November 25, 2013 at 03:18 PM

Didnt notice he was healthy. Seriously, he is the worst RB I have ever seen in my life. 3 draft picks? YIKES!!

No problem Truth.

I'm just relaying what I have read from player and coaches with a little bit of game experience mixed in. From what I know and have read it doesn't seem to be an issue.

LOL Here we go with the 3 draft pick argument. I think I will leave now. Too funny you guys! Have a great day everyone.

You know the team stinks when D Thomas and M Egnew make the roster.

Have a great day everyone.
Posted by: Phins78 | November 25, 2013 at 03:30 PM

He says goodbye but rarely leaves. He lurks, lurks....

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